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Online RandomGuy99

The information we have is that surgery is not an option but other regular treatments are being given
So it may be a blood cancer (Leukaemia, multiple Myeloma etc) which are often picked up from pre-op blood tests or a brain tumour which could have been picked up by an alert physician.
If Charles asked for an aspirin, tripped slightly or dropped a book then you can be sure that a full battery of tests (inc MRI etc)  would be run. You wouldn't want to be doctor or nurse that missed the smallest indication that the King had a problem.
So it wouldn't necessarily need a specific cancer test to have picked something up
Or it may be that it was caught so early that there is no need for surgery and he's having chemo and then they'll see how the cancer has responded to the treatment.

Offline Munter84

Also why are there reporters at buckingham palace when nothing is happening there.
The news was released in a statement online.   :unknown:

Right, this type of "reporting" really annoys me. Some poor sod is made to stand in front of a landmark and desperately tries to make a one-paragraph press release fill ten minutes of back-and-forth chat with the studio, four times an hour. It's ridiculous, how anyone can believe that this is adding any kind of value is beyond me.

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Or it may be that it was caught so early that there is no need for surgery and he's having chemo and then they'll see how the cancer has responded to the treatment.

unlikely - surgery is always the first thought it is only after the surgical option  (performed or discarded)  are they employed

Remember that chemo and radiotherapy work by (hopefully) killing the cancer cells faster than they are killing the other cells. Both are very cytotoxic and will kill/damage a lot of the body - although obviously you try and minimise those. So are used if the tumour is inaccessible or not discreet (eg widely spread) or after surgery in case some cancerous cells escaped.

They would never be first choice - esp if there are no service/financial constraints 
We can also assume that Charles won't suffer from lack of consultation between Mr and Dr
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Loving the simplistic 'Armchair Oncologist' element to this topic, both in this thread and generally in the media  :D

Oncology is a highly complex branch of medicine frequently involving many other specialties. Treatment options are equally variable, complicated and always on a very individual case basis overseen by a multidisciplinary team (MDT)

The only thing we know is that his 'form of cancer' has been picked up as an incidental finding, apparently whilst undergoing prostate investigations/treatment. Incidental findings of cancer are commonplace. Beyond that everything is currently very speculative.

Offline Blackpool Rock

Loving the simplistic 'Armchair Oncologist' element to this topic, both in this thread and generally in the media  :D

Oncology is a highly complex branch of medicine frequently involving many other specialties. Treatment options are equally variable, complicated and always on a very individual case basis overseen by a multidisciplinary team (MDT)

The only thing we know is that his 'form of cancer' has been picked up as an incidental finding, apparently whilst undergoing prostate investigations/treatment. Incidental findings of cancer are commonplace. Beyond that everything is currently very speculative.
Careful Doc, someone will misinterpret this as you saying he's a Gonner  :D

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Loving the simplistic 'Armchair Oncologist' element to this topic, both in this thread and generally in the media  :D

Oncology is a highly complex branch of medicine frequently involving many other specialties. Treatment options are equally variable, complicated and always on a very individual case basis overseen by a multidisciplinary team (MDT)


Of course its speculative - what else would you expect when you reveal bits to the public ?

No doubt the King will be getting multidiscplinary team - it was a dream for my wife at a very large local hospital
It was only when we managed to get our GP to separately refer to a specialist unit in London (who were interested in her rare cancer) that she got a multidiscplinary team
It may have improved over the last 10 years but with over 200 years of separation (Dr medic and Mr Surgeon) I doubt it

I will be following with interest when a type is finally revealed esp if it comes out to be multiple myeloma as I spent 15 years doing analysis, typing and follow up of multiple myeloma 


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No doubt the King will be getting multidiscplinary team - it was a dream for my wife at a very large local hospital
It was only when we managed to get our GP to separately refer to a specialist unit in London (who were interested in her rare cancer) that she got a multidiscplinary team
It may have improved over the last 10 years but with over 200 years of separation (Dr medic and Mr Surgeon) I doubt it

I will be following with interest when a type is finally revealed esp if it comes out to be multiple myeloma as I spent 15 years doing analysis, typing and follow up of multiple myeloma

Sorry to hear about your wife. The transition to MDTs has mainly taken place over the last two decades and the last 10 years especially, so the answer is yes it has changed. The MDT is now the established normal NHS protocol with cancer diagnosis.

The problem with rare cancers has always been accessing someone who specialises in that particular genre and the current MDT is now far more likely to seek input from external sources in such cases. A GP shouldn't be needing to be responsible for that.

Having said all that the whole system is under enormous strain.

In terms of speculation my guess would also be a 'blood cancer' based mainly in the statement diagnosed with 'a form of cancer' rather than just a cancer diagnosis, but we may be way off the mark  :D
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Intresting to see he's camped out at Sandringham, so unless their bringing stuff up from London then he'll be dependent on the local Queen Liz hospital in the backwater of Kings Lynn..

Good luck with that one;!...

Offline mr.bluesky

It is sad that King Charles has been diagnosed with cancer but let's be honest he's going to get the best treatment available straight away.  Other cancer sufferers are not so fortunate.

Offline Blackpool Rock

It is sad that King Charles has been diagnosed with cancer but let's be honest he's going to get the best treatment available straight away.  Other cancer sufferers are not so fortunate.
Yeah I know someone who died a couple of years ago, originally not diagnosed and then once it was a catalogue of cancelled appointments and 3-4 week wait to get test results etc, I remember saying how the results must be good news otherwise they wouldn't have cancelled the appointment to give them the results.
Bizarrely as soon as they gave them the results they immediately gave them some sort of urgent referral / appointment as "We need to get straight onto this", so what you mean they had the results and could see how urgent things were but kicked the can down the road for a few weeks  :thumbsdown:
That happened a few times and then it was terminal  :diablo:

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Yeah I know someone who died a couple of years ago, originally not diagnosed and then once it was a catalogue of cancelled appointments and 3-4 week wait to get test results etc, I remember saying how the results must be good news otherwise they wouldn't have cancelled the appointment to give them the results.
Bizarrely as soon as they gave them the results they immediately gave them some sort of urgent referral / appointment as "We need to get straight onto this", so what you mean they had the results and could see how urgent things were but kicked the can down the road for a few weeks  :thumbsdown:
That happened a few times and then it was terminal  :diablo:
I had delays on my prostate cancer scare. I had the initial tests then due to COVID there was a 6 month delay on the biopsy getting done. I was pretty sure I didn't have cancer, but it was still a worry. I had to twice chase to get the biopsy done and fortunately it turned out to be negative.

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It is sad that King Charles has been diagnosed with cancer but let's be honest he's going to get the best treatment available straight away.  Other cancer sufferers are not so fortunate.

I believe that 2 years ago there were 21,000 cancer patients who exceeded the 62 day target for treatment - then the NHS stopped giving out the figures

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I believe that 2 years ago there were 21,000 cancer patients who exceeded the 62 day target for treatment - then the NHS stopped giving out the figures

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Offline puntingking

You are coming across as quite the entitled knob  :hi:

Like a spolit child screaming why when he's been told no  :rolleyes:


people on here can't say he is entitled to privacy after when the king told us that he has cancer. If he wanted privacy why inform us about the cancer.

its like setting up only fans and putting up naked photos of yourself and then say you don't want to be objectified.  :unknown:


we would moan at celebrities who does reality tv and then the celeb moan about lack of privacy afterwards.
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The Times had an article pointing out that the King had been very public about his enlarged prostate and hoped he would encourage other men to be more open and seek treatment & he was rightly praised for it.

Then all of a sudden its a cancer diagnosis and the traditional walls go up - why ?

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people on here can't say he is entitled to privacy after when the king told us that he has cancer. If he wanted privacy why inform us about the cancer.

its like setting up only fans and putting up naked photos of yourself and then say you don't want to be objectified.  :unknown:


we would moan at celebrities who does reality tv and then the celeb moan about lack of privacy afterwards.

well it seems you tell us that you punt but you don't tell us your real name or address or what car you drive.

Several on here have suggested he is entitled to some prvivacy - who are you to say they can't hold that view?

Offline puntingking

well it seems you tell us that you punt but you don't tell us your real name or address or what car you drive.

Several on here have suggested he is entitled to some prvivacy - who are you to say they can't hold that view?

Someone with an opinion.


Also, i was making a point that if he wanted privacy then why would he share with the world his health issues.
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Seems that Harry is back at Heathrow, didn't sepnd long with the old man then!...

Offline myothernameis

Then all of a sudden its a cancer diagnosis and the traditional walls go up - why ?

Now we would assume, all members of the royal family will know, what type of cancer Charles have, and if there is a leak, we assume it wont come from any of them.  But bearing in mind Prince Harry's not so close connections with his family, could a leak come from Harry letting Megan know, and then at sometime it get leaked...only speculation

Offline chrishornx

Someone with an opinion.


Also, i was making a point that if he wanted privacy then why would he share with the world his health issues.

someone with an opinion that clearly believes others can't express their view

the reason he has shared his illness is pretty obvious - he has to cancel months of public appointments and if he did that without explanation the gossip merchants would go into overdrive

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Now we would assume, all members of the royal family will know, what type of cancer Charles have, and if there is a leak, we assume it wont come from any of them.  But bearing in mind Prince Harry's not so close connections with his family, could a leak come from Harry letting Megan know, and then at sometime it get leaked...only speculation

Perhaps Netflix might become interested in a new series after all ?

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Perhaps Netflix might become interested in a new series after all ?

A very good point

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Well we're going the have a new Cancer hospital here in Cambridge, right next to the papworth hospital as Papworth is to heart and chest excellence the new Cancer hospital will be the same and a tie up with the Uni as well..

Question us where are they going to put the staff?...

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Terrible news let's hope they can sort it out very quickly

Fuck him, let him wait for treatment like everyone else on the "great" NHS. The current target from referral to treatment is two months, of which less than 70% of referrals meet that target (External Link/Members Only). Let him wait two months for treatment like the rest of us.

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Fuck him, let him wait for treatment like everyone else on the "great" NHS. The current target from referral to treatment is two months, of which less than 70% of referrals meet that target (External Link/Members Only). Let him wait two months for treatment like the rest of us.

But if you had the financial  resources the King has, wouldn't you go private and avoid the wait?

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But if you had the financial  resources the King has, wouldn't you go private and avoid the wait?

He is paid by the taxpayer, he should receive the same level of medical treatment as the taxpayer.
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Offline puntingking

He is paid by the taxpayer, he should receive the same level of medical treatment as the taxpayer.

I agree but he should not move to the front of the que on the basis of who he is.
Same level of care and service should be given to all with no special treatment for the few.

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I agree but he should not move to the front of the que on the basis of who he is.
Same level of care and service should be given to all with no special treatment for the few.

Yup, if the king goes on the same waiting list as the rest of us, watch the funding for the NHS magically increase and we all benefit.
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Offline Blackpool Rock

I agree but he should not move to the front of the que on the basis of who he is.
Same level of care and service should be given to all with no special treatment for the few.
But private healthcare already exists where you can jump the queue for all manner of things  :unknown:

I've previously posted about how private medical work has a negative effect on the NHS and the rest of us as the same surgeons etc do the private work therefore if it didn't exist then overall the NHS waiting lists would reduce, also the cost of paying these people would reduce

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But private healthcare already exists where you can jump the queue for all manner of things  :unknown:

I've previously posted about how private medical work has a negative effect on the NHS and the rest of us as the same surgeons etc do the private work therefore if it didn't exist then overall the NHS waiting lists would reduce, also the cost of paying these people would reduce


I was talking on nhs waiting lists. If i was interested in private care , i woukd've mentioned private health.

But going private is very expensive. You are talking thousands and thousands of pounds for cancer treatments.


If the king wants to jump the que then he can go private. If he doesnt want to jump the que then he can wait his turn.

Offline PepeMAGA

He is paid by the taxpayer, he should receive the same level of medical treatment as the taxpayer.
He's damned in all ways really.
Either
he waits the same as everyone else, makes headlines that he got a terrible service
Jumps to the front of the queue, obviously bad optics
Goes private, again people say why's he get special treatment etc.
And the media are never happy.
Apparently his enlarged prostate increased the numbers of men getting checked, the same is expected to happen with cancer now. Which is a good thing, but the breakfast TV slant was this will add to NHS waiting lists if more people discover they have cancer... Maybe if it's caught sooner it will actually be less of a burden on the nhs

Offline chrishornx

But private healthcare already exists where you can jump the queue for all manner of things  :unknown:

I've previously posted about how private medical work has a negative effect on the NHS and the rest of us as the same surgeons etc do the private work therefore if it didn't exist then overall the NHS waiting lists would reduce, also the cost of paying these people would reduce

Can you explain how the waiting lists would go down BR?

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I was talking on nhs waiting lists. If i was interested in private care , i woukd've mentioned private health.

But going private is very expensive. You are talking thousands and thousands of pounds for cancer treatments.


If the king wants to jump the que then he can go private. If he doesnt want to jump the que then he can wait his turn.
Sorry as i've not picked this up either way but are you saying he's having his treatment on the NHS rather than private  :unknown:

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He's damned in all ways really.
Either
he waits the same as everyone else, makes headlines that he got a terrible service
Jumps to the front of the queue, obviously bad optics
Goes private, again people say why's he get special treatment etc.
And the media are never happy.
Apparently his enlarged prostate increased the numbers of men getting checked, the same is expected to happen with cancer now. Which is a good thing, but the breakfast TV slant was this will add to NHS waiting lists if more people discover they have cancer... Maybe if it's caught sooner it will actually be less of a burden on the nhs

I did hear the other day that cancer deaths will increase over the next decade. Due to living longer, people missing the early signs, long waiting lists and unhealthy lifestyle choices are all responsible.

Offline chrishornx

He's damned in all ways really.
Either
he waits the same as everyone else, makes headlines that he got a terrible service
Jumps to the front of the queue, obviously bad optics
Goes private, again people say why's he get special treatment etc.
And the media are never happy.
Apparently his enlarged prostate increased the numbers of men getting checked, the same is expected to happen with cancer now. Which is a good thing, but the breakfast TV slant was this will add to NHS waiting lists if more people discover they have cancer... Maybe if it's caught sooner it will actually be less of a burden on the nhs

you make some great points.
the cynics are assuming he is doing everything privately and criticising him for doing so
no pleasing some people

Offline Blackpool Rock

Can you explain how the waiting lists would go down BR?
NHS waiting lists would go down as you wouldn't have to wait for a doctor / consultant / surgeon etc to do their private work, less private work would mean more time spent doing NHS work

Offline puntingking

He is paid by the taxpayer, he should receive the same level of medical treatment as the taxpayer.


To blackpool rock -
I was answerimg his point. If he went nhs way then he should get the same trwatment..

I dont know if he has gone private or nhs route.
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To blackpool rock -
I was answerimg his point. If he went nhs way then he should get the same trwatment..

I dont know if he has gone private or nhs route.
It's a bit irrelevant though if he's gone private, which let's face it he will  :unknown:

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It's a bit irrelevant though if he's gone private, which let's face it he will  :unknown:

You most likely right on that  :hi:

Offline chrishornx

NHS waiting lists would go down as you wouldn't have to wait for a doctor / consultant / surgeon etc to do their private work, less private work would mean more time spent doing NHS work

but surely it would be proportionate  -get rid of private health patients accounting currently forms 10% of appointments/surgery (for the sake of the argument ) then surely that 10% expunged from the private sector would have to be dealt with in the NHS so surely there would be 10% more patients added to the list ?

less private work = more NHS work?

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To blackpool rock -
I was answerimg his point. If he went nhs way then he should get the same trwatment..

I dont know if he has gone private or nhs route.

how does anybody on here know that he hasn't had the 'same treatment'? maybe he entered the cancer world 5 months ago and has only just had treatment for removal of some of an enlarged prostate.

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Fuck him, let him wait for treatment like everyone else on the "great" NHS. The current target from referral to treatment is two months, of which less than 70% of referrals meet that target (External Link/Members Only). Let him wait two months for treatment like the rest of us.

Congratulations on being todays' winner of the most stupid comment on the internet.
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how does anybody on here know that he hasn't had the 'same treatment'? maybe he entered the cancer world 5 months ago and has only just had treatment for removal of some of an enlarged prostate.

 :thumbsup:
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It's a bit irrelevant though if he's gone private, which let's face it he will  :unknown:

Let’s face it, we’re all guessing…

Here’s my guess: he will probably go primarily NHS, but will suffer far fewer delays due to clerical incompetence than “Joe Average” would.

He will also almost certainly have a far more proactive GP than most of us, and his GP will put a lot more time and effort into making sure the overall treatment plan makes good sense and is well co-ordinated than most of us experience.

I’m not a Royalist (to put it mildly) but really, really hope treatment goes well.
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I was talking on nhs waiting lists. If i was interested in private care , i woukd've mentioned private health.

But going private is very expensive. You are talking thousands and thousands of pounds for cancer treatments.


If the king wants to jump the que then he can go private. If he doesnt want to jump the que then he can wait his turn.

There is still the loophole of a private consultation followed by NHS treatment

It used to be rife and has been reduced but still happens
eg There is a 5 week wait for an NHS consultant appointment followed by 1-5 week wait for treatment (depending partly on clinical need) so just over half  the patients are treated within the target of 62 days but some like Joe Smith can wait around 10 weeks

Sir John St John Smythe on the other hand pays for and gets an appointment in 48 hrs and the same consultant decides he requires urgent treatment - after all he has cancer -  and is treated by the NHS as a priority a week later - the same as any other urgent NHS case of course. So it has only cost him (or BUPA) a few hundred quid but has sliced 2 months of his wait for treatment.

Private healthcare uses the same consultants and a lot of the NHS facilities until they are separated abuses will still happen

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but surely it would be proportionate  -get rid of private health patients accounting currently forms 10% of appointments/surgery (for the sake of the argument ) then surely that 10% expunged from the private sector would have to be dealt with in the NHS so surely there would be 10% more patients added to the list ?

less private work = more NHS work?
I'm not saying private work should be banned but if someone spent more time doing the NHS work and less doing private work then the NHS waiting list and time would reduce while the private waiting time would increase.

I do actually know someone recently who couldn't even get on an NHS waiting list until they 1st saw / did XYZ but then couldn't get an appointment for XYZ so they then never appeared on a waiting list so it makes the official waiting list figures look better than they actually are.

There were in so much pain that someone suggested going private, they looked on the internet and found out what the typical price and waiting time was.
Consultation done and agreed to the procedure however the price was about 50% higher than anticipated and when it came to it instead of waiting 6 weeks it was more like 12

Basically the NHS waiting times have shot up so much that more and more people are now being forced into going private if they have the money to do so resulting in the private waiting times extending.
As a result the private sector have increased the price both to make more money as it's in demand but it will also have the effect of putting some people off which stops the waiting times extending too far, basic supply and demand economics

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There is still the loophole of a private consultation followed by NHS treatment

It used to be rife and has been reduced but still happens
eg There is a 5 week wait for an NHS consultant appointment followed by 1-5 week wait for treatment (depending partly on clinical need) so just over half  the patients are treated within the target of 62 days but some like Joe Smith can wait around 10 weeks

Sir John St John Smythe on the other hand pays for and gets an appointment in 48 hrs and the same consultant decides he requires urgent treatment - after all he has cancer -  and is treated by the NHS as a priority a week later - the same as any other urgent NHS case of course. So it has only cost him (or BUPA) a few hundred quid but has sliced 2 months of his wait for treatment.

Private healthcare uses the same consultants and a lot of the NHS facilities until they are separated abuses will still happen

You've probably explained what i was trying to get at far better than I did

Oh and the other thing that Royally pisses me off (No pun intended) is that the private hospitals take the big bucks but when something goes wrong or there is some sort of complication then they wheel the patient across the road to the NHS hospital for the tax payer to deal with the problem  :mad:  :thumbsdown:

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I'm not saying private work should be banned but if someone spent more time doing the NHS work and less doing private work then the NHS waiting list and time would reduce while the private waiting time would increase.




I must have misread what you said - 'therefore if it didn't exist then overall the NHS waiting lists would reduce'

I thought you were talking about it not existing

Offline Blackpool Rock

I must have misread what you said - 'therefore if it didn't exist then overall the NHS waiting lists would reduce'

I thought you were talking about it not existing
The key word there is "IF" however as we know it does exist