Punting Vs dating Vs sugar babies

[gurds]

The way I see is punting is effectively short term prostitution, sugar babies are long term prostitution/arrangements and dating involves more emotional involvement and exclusivity although there is a transactional nature to it as well similar to the other two.

Having been seeing escorts for the last 14yrs, I've had sex with lots of hot girls but it isn't exactly the most fulfilling activity. You are on a clock and you are effectively busting a nut in a condom which isn't great. There are other stuff you can do like titwank, deepthroat, body to body ,etc.

I've never tried sugar babies but anyone who has a long term arrangement with a sugar baby so you eventually get to have sex with them raw?

Dating arguably is the most fulfilling option but no man has unlimited choice of women when it comes to dating unless you are a famous rockstar or Leonardo Di caprio, etc.

If you don't want kids as well like me, then there is an additional dilemma and complication there

How would people rank the three - dating , punting , sugar babies in terms of overall fulfillment, intimacy, etc.

[chatbite]

In my opinion it all depends what you want from each arrangement, so for example if you want intimacy and love you're looking in the wrong place going to an escort.

I personally prefer the variety and the lack of complications that come with seeing escorts. I get to fuck as many different women as I like and as often as I like. Dating leads to relationships which ultimately end up with plenty of love and emotion but relatively inactive bedrooms.

I have had a couple of SBs before and with one in particular we did move on to regular unprotected sex but that was a conscious decision between us both. We were both tested and remained exclusive to each other at the time (which I know for sure was true on both sides). Thankfully I've had the snip so no baby worries! That all ended because she moved abroad, something we both knew was coming right from the start. At the time the lines were blurring and we were in a borderline full blown relationship so it was probably for the best as it wouldn't have been viable long term real life. She was my last SB and I've not even considered another one since.

My take aways from these experiences are that escorts give me the simplicity and variety I crave so having done all of the above this is now what I prefer. The sex with SBs is so much more intense and ultimately better as long as you connect with the right person. Real relationships have the perks of security and emotion but have a good chance of becoming boring in the bedroom in my experience.

[gurds]

Thanks for the input.

[londonroad]

The way I see is punting is effectively short term prostitution, sugar babies are long term prostitution/arrangements and dating involves more emotional involvement and exclusivity although there is a transactional nature to it as well similar to the other two.

Having been seeing escorts for the last 14yrs, I've had sex with lots of hot girls but it isn't exactly the most fulfilling activity. You are on a clock and you are effectively busting a nut in a condom which isn't great. There are other stuff you can do like titwank, deepthroat, body to body ,etc.

I've never tried sugar babies but anyone who has a long term arrangement with a sugar baby so you eventually get to have sex with them raw?

Dating arguably is the most fulfilling option but no man has unlimited choice of women when it comes to dating unless you are a famous rockstar or Leonardo Di caprio, etc.

If you don't want kids as well like me, then there is an additional dilemma and complication there

How would people rank the three - dating , punting , sugar babies in terms of overall fulfillment, intimacy, etc.

If you can find a good long term SB, in my experience, gives by far the best sex. However, it takes a lot of effort and expense to find a good reliable SB.

[Stevelondon]

Let’s face it. Unless you’re mega rich who can have a SB all to yourself. Effectively a mistress if you’re married etc.
The relationship you’re having with said SB is pretty much similar to just having a SP who is your regular…….. surely.
Tat SB is probably SB to others 😂
I reached that stage in life years ago. Where I just didn’t need the involvement of a partner, regular, mistress whatever.
Short term fulfilling kinky sex is all I’m after.


Now I need to explain. I do see some SP’s again and again. Simply cos the service is what I’m after.
But you know what I mean 😂

[Kelgon85]

When all said and done, I would imagine an SB (which I've never had) is by far the most expensive of the three. So that's me out. 

[SonofAJohn]

Punting
Dating
Sugar baby

Unless you know 100%, what you're investing into your sugar baby isn't going to waste (she is sleeping with other guys for less than you, consistently fulfilling your requirements and not trying to limit your options) then better off mixing dating and punting.

[Al R]

When all said and done, I would imagine an SB (which I've never had) is by far the most expensive of the three. So that's me out. 

It depends obviously on the SB and her expectations but as someone who booked minimum of an hour on a punt (30 mins just doesn’t work for me), it really isn’t more expensive with the regular I see

I’ve been seeing her for nearly 2 years and as for unprotected - same as with WG’s - oral yes, penetrative sex no thanks.

[stampjones]

I think they fill different needs. To me its not A vs B vs C but which of A, B or C I want at any time. I’ll then choose whichever suits that need.

[stampjones]

When all said and done, I would imagine an SB (which I've never had) is by far the most expensive of the three. So that's me out. 

It’s probably the most expensive to buy into (most SBs in london are 250+ per meet and you need to factor hotels and other expenses on top of that), but that can buy you 4 hours of fun or even an overnight so on a cost per minute basis it can work out pretty good value, especially as you’re more likely to be with someone who actually wants to be there

[Jumping Jack Flash]

If you can find a good long term SB, in my experience, gives by far the best sex. However, it takes a lot of effort and expense to find a good reliable SB.

This. I’m about to hit the second anniversary with my SB, she’s in the top three fucks of my life.

OP I think you’re overthinking this. An escort provides a service when you need to scratch an itch. A SB essentially offers the same but on a more emotional level - not EA but a connection - dating hopefully provides a mix of the two.

[jamiekinkxxx]

They all have their pros and cons and ranking will 100% depend on your own personal situation, desires/needs and finances.

Impossible to rank this IMHO

[Stevelondon]

Personally speaking. I think those of you who think having a SB relationship. Offers you something more on an emotional level. Are deluding yourselves.

You’re still fucking paying for it. 😂

I’m kidding of course.
If anyone thinks having a SB relationships is better for them. Then alls well and good.
In this punting lark (yes SB shags included in that) We all just want the best service we can get….. don’t we.

[Stevelondon]

It’s probably the most expensive to buy into (most SBs in london are 250+ per meet and you need to factor hotels and other expenses on top of that), but that can buy you 4 hours of fun or even an overnight so on a cost per minute basis it can work out pretty good value, especially as you’re more likely to be with someone who actually wants to be there

Of course she wants to be there. You’re paying for it. 😂

Dissimilar to me years back when in some god forsaken country. Earning a lot yes. Did I want to be there ….. No.
But I stayed cos of the wonga. 😂

[bortas2k8]

Personally speaking. I think those of you who think having a SB relationship. Offers you something more on an emotional level. Are deluding yourselves.

You’re still fucking paying for it. 😂

I’m kidding of course.
If anyone thinks having a SB relationships is better for them. Then alls well and good.
In this punting lark (yes SB shags included in that) We all just want the best service we can get….. don’t we.

Maybe we appreciate the illusion 🤗

[Doc Holliday]

How would people rank the three - dating , punting , sugar babies in terms of overall fulfillment, intimacy, etc.

I am curious as to what has changed in your mindset over the last six weeks when you started a thread asking a very similar question? https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=390082.msg3964014#msg3964014

Is an interesting question, in my case I started seeing escorts from early age of 18 out of curiosity and it became a habit. Now I'm 32.

Have slept with large numbers of hot escorts over the yrs and never bothered with dating or relationships at all. I am above average looking, 6 foot tall and very muscular , above average penis size and girth, etc

I am thinking that seeing escorts from an early age can become a habit which it has with me. I do believe that for some people like me it can prevent you from even attempting dating normally. You have unlimited choice of hot escorts that you can pick out, it is very efficient and doesn't waste time . I've always had a weakness for young sexy girls from an early age

When you venture down this road, for lot of men it will make you less likely to date as you will see dating as a waste of time in terms of time and energy expended.

There are some men that are in relationships and see escorts at the same time. To be honest , I can see myself in that camp as well if I got into a relationship. I've always had a weakness for sexy girls from an early age

One thing that I can never understand, let's say you see a couple that have been together since the age of 18 for 13 years. I am thinking to myself subconsciously that the guy have missed out on sexual experiences with lots of different girls (providing he has stayed faithful through this period).

I also don't have any interest in having kids , I am quite narcissistic.

Was wondering what other men's thoughts are - how has seeing escorts for a long time altered your views towards dating and relationships and effort in that endeavour if you put forth any effort there at all?

It is clear from the above and your subsequent posts in that thread that relationships were possibly not really an option for you as you had no interest in emotional ties or starting a family and you also went on to say you could not be faithful?

Reading between the lines in this latest thread I suspect what you may be really missing is unprotected penetrative sex, which you rightly do not see as an option with punting? Is that a criteria you are really using as a comparative analysis with the three options?

Alternatively is it perhaps also that all your sexual experiences since an early age have been with sex workers and that now in your early thirties having never dated you feel it should be an option you should consider to experience better sex?
 
I am of a very different generation to yourself (all but one of my children are older than you). I have no experience of SB's, but many many hundreds of punts. In my opinion from a purely quality of sex standpoint then non paid for sex was always better and in particular my two marriages. I should qualify that by saying that having sex with young stunners was never my thing with punting although I did date some very attractive women when I was around 18 to 21.

I have also had really great sex with some SP's, but predominantly only when that took place on a non commercial basis, as it is only then that you be sure they actually want to have sex with you.

[stampjones]

Of course she wants to be there. You’re paying for it. 😂

Lol - and true

But to me that’s about the definitions of the three types of interaction. An escort is someone who will fuck whoever cones up with the required cash. A civvy its all about the person and he can be as poor as you like. An SB has aspects of escort and civvy. For example she takes money but she is selective as to who she sees. So to me that’s how I differentiate between them but its all about definitions really and whether they are useful. So you may define anyone who takes money as an escort and anyone who doesnt as a civvy and that's just as valid a definition; but it’s not an especially useful one for me as I’ve had a lot more fun in that middle zone than either of the two extremes.

I’d also say it’s important to distinguish between SBs and girls who are on seeking. Not all on seeking are SBs using my definition above. Ive seen plenty who are escorts and a few who are civvies. For me personally - and what makes it worth paying the extra cash up front - are the ones who are SBs as I described it.

So I’ll stick to my original statement - by definition she does want me there, and not just for the money 😊

[Mr Sinister]

On what Doc is saying I think Gurds you should take a break from punting and any other form of prostitution. I don't know you so don't know your level of emotional intelligence and maturity, but it would be worth dipping your toes into the dating world. Go meet women, have fun, don't put sex as your main focus for doing this, you're 6ft+, in shape the sex will come as long as you have the personality to connect. You're 32 still young you should definitely be out there all over the world conquering civvies. I'm at the other end of the 30s scale been back dating for over a year, it's been great, interesting yes I ploughed plenty of civvies also nice to find someone on the regular who I could bus raw nuts into.

[SeekingSteve]

I've never tried sugar babies but anyone who has a long term arrangement with a sugar baby so you eventually get to have sex with them raw?

Anyone doing it for that reason, is kinda stupid. She is no more likely to be cleaner/safer than a regular WG/SP as she will likely be doing it with several other SD's plus its gonna cost you more than just fucking some barebacker off AW. Both equally as risky as the other, one just costs a lot more 

[SonofAJohn]

On what Doc is saying I think Gurds you should take a break from punting and any other form of prostitution. I don't know you so don't know your level of emotional intelligence and maturity, but it would be worth dipping your toes into the dating world. Go meet women, have fun, don't put sex as your main focus for doing this, you're 6ft+, in shape the sex will come as long as you have the personality to connect. You're 32 still young you should definitely be out there all over the world conquering civvies. I'm at the other end of the 30s scale been back dating for over a year, it's been great, interesting yes I ploughed plenty of civvies also nice to find someone on the regular who I could bus raw nuts into.

This is bad advice for gurds, don't listen to this @gurds !
Gurds takes tafadil or cifadil (apologies if my spelling is off) daily. Imagine him sitting on a 2 hour date listening to some bird chatting shit.
This will be his face while his dick is fighting with the inside of the zipper on his jeans   



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[daviemac]

This is bad advice for gurds, don't listen to this @gurds !
Gurds takes tafadil or cifadil (apologies if my spelling is off) daily. Imagine him sitting on a 2 hour date listening to some bird chatting shit.
This will be his face while his dick is fighting with the inside of the zipper on his jeans   

You do know one has to be sexually stimulated for it to work don't you?   

[SonofAJohn]

You do know one has to be sexually stimulated for it to work don't you?   

What if the girl on the date has big tits, cleavage on show, alcoholic drinks in rotation but she is talking about junior doctors striking? Would it not have some sort of effect then?

[Mr Sinister]

What if the girl on the date has big tits, cleavage on show, alcoholic drinks in rotation but she is talking about junior doctors striking? Would it not have some sort of effect then?

Nope it would not have some sort of effect, but it wouldn't hurt to have some Tadalafil on you incase you overdo it with the alcohol, "fumbling the bag" later on. 

[daviemac]

What if the girl on the date has big tits, cleavage on show, alcoholic drinks in rotation but she is talking about junior doctors striking? Would it not have some sort of effect then?

If my auntie had balls she'd be my uncle. A statement just as ridiculous as what you are posting.

BTW alcohol reduces the effect of ED medication so any teenage excitement you might feel by looking at a woman's cleavage would be reduced by the alcohol.

[Doc Holliday]

This is bad advice for gurds, don't listen to this @gurds !
Gurds takes tafadil or cifadil (apologies if my spelling is off) daily. Imagine him sitting on a 2 hour date listening to some bird chatting shit.

The whole point of taking Tadalafil daily is that the sex can be spontaneous if and when it is available. That said it is not good that a 32 is using ED meds. Potentially huge problems down the line.

When I was 32 just the cleavege would cause a stirring without any chemical assistance.

[SonofAJohn]

If my auntie had balls she'd be my uncle. A statement just as ridiculous as what you are posting.

BTW alcohol reduces the effect of ED medication so any teenage excitement you might feel by looking at a woman's cleavage would be reduced by the alcohol.

If alcohol reduces the effect of ED medication. That is more reason for OP to stick to punting. Not all dates involve alcohol but at some point alcohol is will be there.

[Steely Dan]

But to me that’s about the definitions of the three types of interaction. An escort is someone who will fuck whoever cones up with the required cash. A civvy its all about the person and he can be as poor as you like. An SB has aspects of escort and civvy. For example she takes money but she is selective as to who she sees. So to me that’s how I differentiate between them but its all about definitions really and whether they are useful.

I agree with you that these are just definitions, but I happen to disagree with your summary.

Most escorts don't just fuck anyone.  They all screen, and a great many are very selective indeed. They may see mostly regulars, or only longer bookings, or whatever.  But they are not SB or civvies - still escorts.  And many civvies really avoid a poor dude - I'd say they are more likely to avoid.  Escorts will fuck a poor dude (if he meets other criteria) as long as he has the £200 on the day.

[daviemac]

If alcohol reduces the effect of ED medication. That is more reason for OP to stick to punting. Not all dates involve alcohol but at some point alcohol is will be there.

What do you mean if alcohol reduces the effect, you are just showing that you have no idea what you are talking about so as a result are in no position to tell the OP to ignore the sensible advice given by others.

Another point for you to consider, not every bloke drinks. However as I'm not inclined to educate you more that I have already I will not be replying to any more of your misinformed posts.

[LDNSD69]

I've never tried sugar babies but anyone who has a long term arrangement with a sugar baby so you eventually get to have sex with them raw?

Planning to enter the bowl and do sugar dating. A few of my friends done it for the past 10 years and I would say it depends on the type of relationship you going for. If you can pay someone enough for her to be exclusive then you have a good chance and it's safe. It will cost you more than the usual £250 - £500 if the girl is an 8 or more.

My friends:

- first one ( early 50s ) pay up to 1K per meet to sleep with model-type all hot and age +25 - 30. Always using protection

- Second one ( early 40s ) guy seeing a long term SB in her early 20s. We don't know how much he spend on his SB but they go on holidays which means a lot. They do it raw and everywhere according to him and she deleted her profile 
 
- Third one ( also in his 50s ) he only pay £250 - £500. Hit and miss some will ask him to use protection some let him go raw. I don't recommend this because it's not safe and the allowance amount is not significant which means a lot of guys can do it too     

[Al R]

Planning to enter the bowl and do sugar dating. A few of my friends done it for the past 10 years and I would say it depends on the type of relationship you going for. If you can pay someone enough for her to be exclusive then you have a good chance and it's safe. It will cost you more than the usual £250 - £500 if the girl is an 8 or more.

My friends:

- first one ( early 50s ) pay up to 1K per meet to sleep with model-type all hot and age +25 - 30. Always using protection

- Second one ( early 40s ) guy seeing a long term SB in her early 20s. We don't know how much he spend on his SB but they go on holidays which means a lot. They do it raw and everywhere according to him and she deleted her profile 
 
- Third one ( also in his 50s ) he only pay £250 - £500. Hit and miss some will ask him to use protection some let him go raw. I don't recommend this because it's not safe and the allowance amount is not significant which means a lot of guys can do it too   

Unless they’re with the SB 24/7 - other than taking her word as gospel in reality they’d have no clue about exclusivity no matter what she charges so better to be safe than sorry

I know the reg I see used to see others as she told me - not that I cared - it’s none of my business anyway. She now says she doesn’t see anyone else and hasn’t had a profile for well over 18 months. It may or may not be true (still none of my business) but BB is still not worth the risk IMO - even though she’s changed her number since she was on seeking.

It’s possible of course but difficult to believe any girl who’s had a profile for any length of time hasn’t either got numbers saved in her phone or never gets messages from people she’s had previous contact with asking for meets.

[Munter84]

It's a tricky comparison to make. All I'll say on the subject of dating (or rather getting into a monogamous relationship) is that many a bloke has assumed that buying the cow equals unlimited milk, to their dismay.

The more I read about SBs the better they sound, alas I don't have the deep pockets to make that kind of ongoing commitment.

[Punting2022]

SB are High class escorts tbh. I have learnt the hard way. SB are the escorts that you will have to pay for other expenses if gone long term with them.
They are never exclusive. Even if there profile disappears, i have learnt that SB can make an account, keep it hidden and contact others.

SB are good for unrestricted sex, the connection. But they can cost you.

Escorts are good for the release, and its easy sex with a attractive girl. All you have to do is call them via phone, No effort in trying to pull them, chat them up etc.

Dating is fun too, Ovs sex isn't instant. But the chase and flirting is fun. Also once you are at the stage, you can have sex whenever you want, free, no limits on protection and time.

For me Escorts and the time limits is what puts me off as much, adds pressure to you to perform.

SB/dating is more relaxed. Also SB deffo make more effort with clothing/lingerie.

[jamiekinkxxx]

Planning to enter the bowl and do sugar dating. A few of my friends done it for the past 10 years and I would say it depends on the type of relationship you going for. If you can pay someone enough for her to be exclusive then you have a good chance and it's safe. It will cost you more than the usual £250 - £500 if the girl is an 8 or more.

My friends:

- first one ( early 50s ) pay up to 1K per meet to sleep with model-type all hot and age +25 - 30. Always using protection

- Second one ( early 40s ) guy seeing a long term SB in her early 20s. We don't know how much he spend on his SB but they go on holidays which means a lot. They do it raw and everywhere according to him and she deleted her profile 
 
- Third one ( also in his 50s ) he only pay £250 - £500. Hit and miss some will ask him to use protection some let him go raw. I don't recommend this because it's not safe and the allowance amount is not significant which means a lot of guys can do it too   

She undoubtably blocked him so he thinks she left the site, she hasn't

[jamiekinkxxx]

SB are High class escorts tbh. I have learnt the hard way. SB are the escorts that you will have to pay for other expenses if gone long term with them.
They are never exclusive. Even if there profile disappears, i have learnt that SB can make an account, keep it hidden and contact others.

SB are good for unrestricted sex, the connection. But they can cost you.

Escorts are good for the release, and its easy sex with a attractive girl. All you have to do is call them via phone, No effort in trying to pull them, chat them up etc.

Dating is fun too, Ovs sex isn't instant. But the chase and flirting is fun. Also once you are at the stage, you can have sex whenever you want, free, no limits on protection and time.

For me Escorts and the time limits is what puts me off as much, adds pressure to you to perform.

SB/dating is more relaxed. Also SB deffo make more effort with clothing/lingerie.

THAT!

[Stevelondon]

Maybe we appreciate the illusion 🤗

To some extent we all do. Wether it’s civvy, pro, punting, SB etc

In my own stumbling way. That’s what I was trying to get across.
As long as you’re happy. That’s all that matters.

[Cheshuk]

I haven't come across a girl yet on seeking who's requested a condom, I use them but they haven't seemed to care, same as civvie dating girls in their 20s

All imo:
Seeking is the best by a mile (all been really hot/quite a few young brit influencers with genuine clear pictures, make loads of effort to please sexually and dress up) I mainly use it for finding unicorn types

Second place punting, average level of quality/service/connection is lower than seeking, but the lack of effort and low price make it viable regularly, a good punt is still great.. just not as good as a good seeking meet

Last dating, I don't care the reasons a girl is sleeping with me. Also unlike the first two, the sex isn't just about making you feel good. Obviously if you're after a relationship dating is best, for connection dating is better but can be found with sb. However since I just dated for sex, this is the most hassle way to get there.

[Stevelondon]

I haven't come across a girl yet on seeking who's requested a condom, I use them but they haven't seemed to care, same as civvie dating girls in their 20s

Says a lot about the girls you’re seeing if they aren’t arsed enough to care about yours or their health. 😂

[Cheshuk]

Says a lot about the girls you’re seeing if they aren’t arsed enough to care about yours or their health. 😂

I've been sleeping around 16 years now, I'm 32 and condoms just aren't even thought about in the university/dating app hook up scene of girls in their 20s. Seeking I only use for young insta models types under 23, because whilst more hassle.. those girls rarely operate via escort channels and they're possibly my fav type and very difficult to shag without offering money or a long-terms dating

could be just the girls I meet but it's not like I go near skanky types.. just never seemed the done thing with civvies/seeking

[londonroad]

I've been sleeping around 16 years now, I'm 32 and condoms just aren't even thought about in the university/dating app hook up scene of girls in their 20s. Seeking I only use for young insta models types under 23, because whilst more hassle.. those girls rarely operate via escort channels and they're possibly my fav type and very difficult to shag without offering money or a long-terms dating

could be just the girls I meet but it's not like I go near skanky types.. just never seemed the done thing with civvies/seeking

I have had similar situations with the younger SBs generally not being fussed about using condoms. Also when I have asked the younger SBs - few get regular testing. The
‘Pro escort type’ SBs do insist on condoms and get tested, it is the younger casual SBs who don’t seem so concerned. When faced with these situations I have always covered up, but the girl often implies she can’t understand why, saying they are on the pill. I fire blanks anyway. Certainly seems to be a generational thing - I am a ‘mature’ punter.

[Cheshuk]

I have had similar situations with the younger SBs generally not being fussed about using condoms. Also when I have asked the younger SBs - few get regular testing. The
‘Pro escort type’ SBs do insist on condoms and get tested, it is the younger casual SBs who don’t seem so concerned. When faced with these situations I have always covered up, but the girl often implies she can’t understand why, saying they are on the pill. I fire blanks anyway. Certainly seems to be a generational thing - I am a ‘mature’ punter.

yep the part in bold has always been my experience, may be generational but been that way all the time i've been doing it

[Mr Sinister]

Says a lot about the girls you’re seeing if they aren’t arsed enough to care about yours or their health. 😂

Women are brazen these days, you get those who are cautious at first but after a few shags they want it raw. I've literally had women jump on my stick before I could even pull out the condom there's this general misconception that it must be the "skanky", "dirty" types doing it no that's far from the truth.

I've fucked some well educated, high positioned job types who wanted it raw. It's not just here either I've found civvie women around Europe to be quite laxed about it too.

[stampjones]

I have had similar situations with the younger SBs generally not being fussed about using condoms. Also when I have asked the younger SBs - few get regular testing. The
‘Pro escort type’ SBs do insist on condoms and get tested, it is the younger casual SBs who don’t seem so concerned. When faced with these situations I have always covered up, but the girl often implies she can’t understand why, saying they are on the pill. I fire blanks anyway. Certainly seems to be a generational thing - I am a ‘mature’ punter.

Was the first thing I noticed on seeking. I wouldnt say never but its by far the majority of cases where Im the one who brings up condoms. I went through a phase where I pushed it as far as it would go without actually putting one on and most seemed like they’d have been happy to let me put it in uncovered. At the end of the day everyone is responsible for their own sexual health. For seeking newbies I’d advise bringing your own condoms to a meet and dont expect the girl to suggest putting them on. Its kind of the opposite of certain escorts who cant wait to get it in the bag lol

[Doc Holliday]

The OP Gurds seems to have gone quiet (on this particular thread thread anyway), but it has turned into an interesting discussion regarding unprotected sex.

It is an established fact that sex workers generally have a very high compliance with regard to condom use for penetrative vaginal sex and punters comply (though maybe not always by choice)

At the other end of the scale, condom use in casual civvy hook ups is not the norm and is frequently only used to prevent pregnancy, rather than any fear of STI's especially in the younger generation.

I have no personal experience of SB/SA etc but it would appear the providers tend to lean more towards the civilian model, although ironically those who are also 'escorts' or who at least consider themselves to be may also have higher condom use?

There are considerable implications with this.

[gurds]

Lol - and true

But to me that’s about the definitions of the three types of interaction. An escort is someone who will fuck whoever cones up with the required cash. A civvy its all about the person and he can be as poor as you like. An SB has aspects of escort and civvy. For example she takes money but she is selective as to who she sees. So to me that’s how I differentiate between them but its all about definitions really and whether they are useful. So you may define anyone who takes money as an escort and anyone who doesnt as a civvy and that's just as valid a definition; but it’s not an especially useful one for me as I’ve had a lot more fun in that middle zone than either of the two extremes.

I’d also say it’s important to distinguish between SBs and girls who are on seeking. Not all on seeking are SBs using my definition above. Ive seen plenty who are escorts and a few who are civvies. For me personally - and what makes it worth paying the extra cash up front - are the ones who are SBs as I described it.

So I’ll stick to my original statement - by definition she does want me there, and not just for the money 😊

Technically money is all involved though

If you want to date a woman that is really hot then it would help if you are rich, for instance.

If you want to date a less attractive woman then maybe money wouldn't factor in as much.

That's my view, maybe I am too selfish as well for dating and relationships.

Dating is best suited for people who are less selfish.

[gurds]

in terms of tadalafil daily, I am 32 now and been taking it for a year so far. Its been great for me, I can perform very well every time I see escorts.

Think as well that I started watching porn from a very early age which can cause erection issues. Even though I am physically fit having been lifting weights for the last 14 years.

The stimulus of porn is so much that when you see a naked woman in front of you it is not enough. Nowadays we live in a world where there is an extreme stimulus in the form of women half naked everywhere. Previous generations didn't have such easy access to this hyper stimulus of naked women performing sex acts, etc.

If you go on insta for example the first thing you will see is a half naked woman showing off her ass. So I stopped watching porn now for a long time.

Tadalafil is safe, it hasn't caused me any problems and it is actually good for heart health. People who take ED medication have a lower risk of suffering heart attacks. Technically you can take it for the rest of your life and it will be fine.

It can be embarrassing though, sometimes I take tadalafil before I go to salsa dance classes. If there is a hot girl I can get rock hard boners which is embarrassing! One time I was walking on the street and a hot girl was walking past and I got a big boner, it was very obvious and she looked for a while 

It can be very awkward..

[daviemac]

Tadalafil is safe, it hasn't caused me any problems and it is actually good for heart health. People who take ED medication have a lower risk of suffering heart attacks. Technically you can take it for the rest of your life and it will be fine.

That is a very rash and dangerous statement to make, in some cases taking Tadalafil or any other ED meds can have very serious consequences.

That is why, in my own personal opinion, anyone taking medical advice from a random punter on a punting forum is an idiot.

Every time this comes up I say the same thing, speak to a medical professional for advice on what effect ED meds might have on you personally.

   

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[jamiekinkxxx]

Indeed any ED medication and poppers can be fatal!

[JontyR]

People who take ED medication have a lower risk of suffering heart attacks

People who are dead have an even lower risk.

[gurds]

People who are dead have an even lower risk.

Is perfectly safe for most. Before you get it prescribed you have to answer various questions. Of course there are risks which are outlined.

For me it has been great. I embrace risk in life.

[daviemac]

Is perfectly safe for most. Before you get it prescribed you have to answer various questions. Of course there are risks which are outlined.

For me it has been great. I embrace risk in life.

What medical training have you had to be able to make such statements? I presume none as no medical professional would generalise in the way you are.

You can't possibly know what medication is safe for anyone other than yourself, even then it's quite possible you will come unstuck one day if you keep self medicating.

Anyone who takes medical advice from the likes of you is as daft as those who ask for it on a punting forum.