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Offline blackpunter

I don't know if this topic has been discussed before, if it has i apologise. Having just spent half the night trawling AW for a girl to punt tomorrow i breathed a sigh of relief when I found the perfect one who was offering what I wanted at the right price. Only to see on her Q&A that she doesn't see black guys because they've messed her about in the past.  Now usually when a lady says they don't see black guys I'm fine with it as long as they don't give a reason why or if they state that its their personal preference. But I think its a bit racist to say you won't see black guys because of past bad experiences.  We are not all the same. It really annoyed me. Anyway I carried on browsing and while doing so binning every EE girl I came across into my blacklist as I always do to keep my search results uncluttered. And then I thought hang on! Does the fact that I have almost 50 EE girls in my blacklist mean that I am also racist because I have painted all of them with one brush after a few bad EE punts? I don't know, what I do know however is that from now on if someone says they don't provide services to this or that race for whatever reason I won't begrudge them at all because i don't want to have double standards. Sorry for long post, I just wanted to share my thoughts.

BJvirgin

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maybe she got split in two by a monster black cock, and doesn't want it again. you could try contacting her and explain you're not packing a monster, have money, and just want to fuck her senseless (just like a white guy)

Marmite

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You have written an interesting and thought provoking post which shows you can look to your own actions as well as the actions of others as to how "filtering" for the right person is accomplished.

Why not drop your "intended" an email of a similar nature.  She can only say no.  It may well be her loss and not yours!

Offline Boundless

Yes, I've never really understood the 'no asians, no black guys' thing.
Maybe send her a photo of your todger like Mr Newmark MP.  :)

Offline Tailpipe

I can understand your frustrations and I think it's important that WGs make there position clear and is up to them who they see. However important they describe this in a sensative way.

They should not offer reasons that are clearly a one fits all as each person is differant
And should not be viewed by blanket stereo type.

James999

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won't see black guys because of past bad experiences.

If you walk along and see a dog and stroke it and it bites you, the next day you see a different dog and stroke it and it bites you, then you stop stroking dogs, it doesn't mean all dogs will bite you it means you learn from experiences.

If girls are having problems with black guys then its the guys you should blame for the fact girls won't see you, it's stupid to blame the victim  :hi:

Offline Jimmyredcab

I don't know if this topic has been discussed before, if it has i apologise.

Yes, it has been discussed many times, prostitutes have a perfect right to refuse to see anyone, that could be black guys, asian guys, fat guys or even old bastards like myself.

Personally, I won't see Romanian girls under any circumstances, does that mean I am racist, maybe it does but I honestly don't care.    :hi:

James999

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Personally, I won't see Romanian girls under any circumstances, does that mean I am racist, maybe it does but I honestly don't care.    :hi:

It's your choice, the word racist is overused and pretty meaningless in reality.

With regard to romanian girls, what is disappointing is that so many of them look so fit  :music:

Offline jackdaw

I have every sympathy with some one who has a really bad experience with somebody then has fears with meeting a similar looking type of person.

It's a very deeply ingrained human instinct (learning fear) designed to optimise survival chances. Yes..you can argue all you want that it's not logical...but it's the way humans work.

James as usual has explained it all in a much shorter, punchier way.
« Last Edit: September 30, 2014, 08:20:41 am by jackdaw »

Offline Matium

Blame the black guys who have stolen money from. and threatened, WGs.

They're the ones to blame not the WGs.

Online Rickrabbit

I can't imagine how pro$$ies cope with the reality of taking a blind booking and then fucking whoever turns up at the door (definition of a pro$$ie). Sometimes I guess they go through with the punt but always have the option of not giving a good service to discourage repeat business. I suspect many pro$$ies who give poor service or might be inclined to if they judge the punter as a softie know that it is more likely than not that a black punter will not accept poor service lying down, is more likely to become vocal and confrontational, maybe even threaten violence. This is the perception of black men conveyed by the media and celebrated via popular culture. With some white women from a certain cultural background and with little prior black male contact this is a scary image, for some it is an attraction. Some white men like to perpetuate this fear and will throw another log on the negative stereotype fire by bringing out the monster dick image every now and then to keep our white women in check. Just a theory or two to throw out there. :manhater:

BJvirgin

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do WGs give better service to men they prefer? would they withhold services like OWO or CIM if they punter was fat, old, black, or a combination of all three?

really my question is, does being old and fat mean you have to pay more for the same services?

I'd like to know why some girls state "white only", "no asians", etc. Are they bad customers, or do they just not fancy that type of guy? If you rent your box, why would it matter what colour the punter is?

Offline Jimmyredcab

It's your choice, the word racist is overused and pretty meaningless in reality.

With regard to romanian girls, what is disappointing is that so many of them look so fit :music:

Some of the photos do look tempting -------------- but will that be the girl you get to see.  ????

I have never seen a Romanian girl (as far as I know), why would I when there are so many negative reviews on here, either they refuse to kiss or they give you a list of extra charges.    :thumbsdown:

BJvirgin

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Any EE girls you'd recommend? I fancy trying one. Maybe not romanian, but perhaps russian/lithuanian

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Offline Tailpipe

Some of the photos do look tempting -------------- but will that be the girl you get to see.  ????

I have never seen a Romanian girl (as far as I know), why would I when there are so many negative reviews on here, either they refuse to kiss or they give you a list of extra charges.    :thumbsdown:

Many do as you say refuse this and that , however many do not and they do tend
To be very fit . However it's a risk you take or don,t take and I understand your view.
But of my top ten punts 4 are Romanian.  Like most things in life risk v reward.

James999

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I know one from Poland.   

Imagine if she turned out to be romanian  :sarcastic:

Offline Tailpipe

I know one from Poland.     :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Yep but she is almost a one off Jim few can match her.

Offline jackdaw

do WGs give better service to men they prefer? would they withhold services like OWO or CIM if they punter was fat, old, black, or a combination of all three?

really my question is, does being old and fat mean you have to pay more for the same services?

I'd like to know why some girls state "white only", "no asians", etc. Are they bad customers, or do they just not fancy that type of guy? If you rent your box, why would it matter what colour the punter is?

And a few do state no fatties, or nobody over a certain age. But few get worked up about that.

I imagine these things are stated because WG feels she cannot get good service to those types of customers, it actually seems like a very sensible thing to me.

Offline Jimmyredcab

Many do as you say refuse this and that , however many do not and they do tend
To be very fit . However it's a risk you take or don,t take and I understand your view.
But of my top ten punts 4 are Romanian. Like most things in life risk v reward.

If I want to gamble I will go to the casino.     :hi: :hi: :hi:

I like the odds to be slightly in my favour.    :hi:

Offline akauya



Personally, I won't see Romanian girls under any circumstances, does that mean I am racist, maybe it does but I honestly don't care.    :hi:


It's your choice, the word racist is overused and pretty meaningless in reality.

With regard to romanian girls, what is disappointing is that so many of them look so fit  :music:

It's because some simple minded idiots confuse nationality with race.

As for your second point; I agree with so many Romanian girls looking incredibly fit.

 :hi:

Offline Jimmyredcab

And a few do state no fatties, or nobody over a certain age. But few get worked up about that.

I imagine these things are stated because WG feels she cannot get good service to those types of customers, it actually seems like a very sensible thing to me.

Some refuse to see very young guys --------------- surely it's their body and they can choose who they rent it out to.   :unknown:

Offline blackpunter

After a bit more self examination I realised that its not only romanians I don't punt, it is also asian ladies. But with the asian ladies its not that i avoid them because of past bad punts. I just have never punted an asian lady before, a punt with an asian has just never appealed to me even though i work and live in close proximity with asians who are my close friends. Prostitution is a very unique industry isn't it. I know ladies will sometimes state they don't see this or that race, some say they don't see fat blokes, some say they don't see guys over or under a certain age and some will not see other women. Its the exact same for most punters, we use similar criteria when searching for a punt. But in what other industry in the world are all those criteria applied by service providers and customers alike? You would get your ass sued in any other industry.

Online Rickrabbit

Some of the photos do look tempting -------------- but will that be the girl you get to see.  ????

I have never seen a Romanian girl (as far as I know), why would I when there are so many negative reviews on here, either they refuse to kiss or they give you a list of extra charges.    :thumbsdown:
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Offline Jimmyredcab

I know ladies will sometimes state they don't see this or that race, some say they don't see fat blokes, some say they don't see guys over or under a certain age and some will not see other women. Its the exact same for most punters, we use similar criteria when searching for a punt. But in what other industry in the world are all those criteria applied by service providers and customers alike? You would get your ass sued in any other industry.

Indeed you would, but prostitution is not exactly a legit industry ------------- so normal rules do not apply.    :hi:

vt

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It's your choice, the word racist is overused and pretty meaningless in reality.

With regard to romanian girls, what is disappointing is that so many of them look so fit  :music:


It's because some simple minded idiots confuse nationality with race.

As for your second point; I agree with so many Romanian girls looking incredibly fit.

 :hi:

...and they're among the best I've punted...  :hi:

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Online Rickrabbit

And a few do state no fatties, or nobody over a certain age. But few get worked up about that.

I imagine these things are stated because WG feels she cannot get good service to those types of customers, it actually seems like a very sensible thing to me.
Everybody gets old and most people can change their fattieness, people have no control over the colour of their skin. To be honest I think there is a chicken or egg question with this whole thing and to my mind, to generalise, people use skin colour as a marker, what they are reacting to in reality are cultural traits and attitudes of people which they have lazily catalogued by skin tone. So using this flawed logic you could have a devout christian prostitute who would not entertain Jesus because he is black.  OOop! just dropped that can of worms...sorry!  :hi:
« Last Edit: September 30, 2014, 08:57:51 am by Rickrabbit »

Offline smiths

I don't know if this topic has been discussed before, if it has i apologise. Having just spent half the night trawling AW for a girl to punt tomorrow i breathed a sigh of relief when I found the perfect one who was offering what I wanted at the right price. Only to see on her Q&A that she doesn't see black guys because they've messed her about in the past.  Now usually when a lady says they don't see black guys I'm fine with it as long as they don't give a reason why or if they state that its their personal preference. But I think its a bit racist to say you won't see black guys because of past bad experiences.  We are not all the same. It really annoyed me. Anyway I carried on browsing and while doing so binning every EE girl I came across into my blacklist as I always do to keep my search results uncluttered. And then I thought hang on! Does the fact that I have almost 50 EE girls in my blacklist mean that I am also racist because I have painted all of them with one brush after a few bad EE punts? I don't know, what I do know however is that from now on if someone says they don't provide services to this or that race for whatever reason I won't begrudge them at all because i don't want to have double standards. Sorry for long post, I just wanted to share my thoughts.

This subject has been discussed before on here in great detail. Its entirely up to a WG who she decides to punt with and in this unregulated pastime no one official seemingly cares or does anything about blatant wording such as no blacks, no asians on A/W profiles as examples. And even if punting were regulated a WG wouldnt be forced to punt with a punter she doesnt wish to, or at least i hope not as that would be taking her free will away and thus be to me wholly wrong.

IMO its better to know the WG wont punt with you rather than turning up at her place only to be turned away or getting a bad service. In an ideal world all WGs would treat every punter as the individual they are, but we dont live in an ideal world.

As to blacklisting ALL EE WGs thats your business but in London at least you are missing out on some good WGs, as well as avoiding some bad ones, same with ANY nationality in reality.


Offline Stalinator

I am yet to find a Romanian that will give OWO or kiss. Without both, it will be a shit punt for me.

Andre 3000

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After a bit more self examination I realised that its not only romanians I don't punt, it is also asian ladies. But with the asian ladies its not that i avoid them because of past bad punts. I just have never punted an asian lady before, a punt with an asian has just never appealed to me even though i work and live in close proximity with asians who are my close friends. Prostitution is a very unique industry isn't it. I know ladies will sometimes state they don't see this or that race, some say they don't see fat blokes, some say they don't see guys over or under a certain age and some will not see other women. Its the exact same for most punters, we use similar criteria when searching for a punt. But in what other industry in the world are all those criteria applied by service providers and customers alike? You would get your ass sued in any other industry.

Interesting thoughts. Although with asian WG's many won't see black men anyway, due to the poisonous caste system thinking they've been brought up in.

Of course some asian ladies break out of that line of thinking and I have seen some very good asian WG's but many are fully indoctrinated, it certainly makes for interesting pillow talk. I'm in London overall for me ladies who don't see black guys are a small minority to me. Not sure how I'd feel outside of London punting although on my visits to the north for instance the civvie ladies are always friendly.  :cool:

Offline _Bender_

As I've said before the "Past Experiance" excuse is a load of bollocks, WG's wouldn't ban all white geezers because of a bad experience.

They should be just honest and just say "Don't black guys".

Offline Jimmyredcab

As I've said before the "Past Experiance" excuse is a load of bollocks, WG's wouldn't ban all white geezers because of a bad experience.


Maybe they are just being polite and the truth is they simply can't stand the thought of being fucked by a black guy.

They could of course see black guys and give them a second rate service.    :thumbsdown:

KayHerts

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It is a tricky subject. I could write a long essay explaining in detail why I have set certain parameters, but in your profile, you need to keep it brief. In an ideal world you'd be able to see what every client looked like beforehand, talk to them on the phone, and then decide, but of course this is not feasible. As others have pointed out, you open your door having no idea of what the client is going to be like.

For me, it's about giving the best service I can. I know there are some men I wouldn't be able to do this with - and the only way to try and avoid them is a rather blanket rejection of certain groups.

If only there were some way of avoiding those who appear to eat 10 cloves of raw garlic for breakfast... :vomit:

James999

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They should be just honest and just say "Don't black guys".

Even thick pro$$ies can construct a better sentence than that  :sarcastic:

Or just put a sign in the window

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James999

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If only there were some way of avoiding those who appear to eat 10 cloves of raw garlic for breakfast..

I suspect your profile & pictures do a pretty good job of keeping most men away  :hi:

fredpunter

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If you walk along and see a dog and stroke it and it bites you, the next day you see a different dog and stroke it and it bites you, then you stop stroking dogs, it doesn't mean all dogs will bite you it means you learn from experiences.

If girls are having problems with black guys then its the guys you should blame for the fact girls won't see you, it's stupid to blame the victim  :hi:

Does it matter what colour the dog is?

Offline Tailpipe

I suspect your profile & pictures do a pretty good job of keeping most men away  :hi:


 :D :D :D :D

yorkshire123

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I suspect your profile & pictures do a pretty good job of keeping most men away  :hi:

Now thats just nasty, however it did make me curious so i looked up said lady.

Unfortunately I'm within her acceptable age range.
Fortunately there isn't a pair of beer goggles thick enough to tempt me to part with my cash  ;)

Sparquin

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Going back to the OP question, she is simply expressing a preference that, if observed, makes her life easier. It is not an apartheid thing or racist. 

As a punter of advanced years I am not in the least offended by girls that do not want to see me due to my age. There are plenty that will and are happy to see me again. Plenty more fish in the sea and I can assure you the WGs have the same attitude.

Offline Tailpipe

Now thats just nasty, however it did make me curious so i looked up said lady.

Unfortunately I'm within her acceptable age range.
Fortunately there isn't a pair of beer goggles thick enough to tempt me to part with my cash  ;)

It would seem her person preference is to be fucked by skinny Rabbits  :scare:

cockneybstrd

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It would seem her person preference is to be fucked by skinny Rabbits  :scare:

To be fair to her. She basically does say if your not skinny with a massive schlong I will be too fat for you to even get in.

Captain Caveman

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I have a lot of sympathy with a WG saying she has a personal preference against this or that because of the intimate nature of the work.

BUT - if you are taking money in return for offering a service, you are running a business. And if you are running a business you can't put up a sign saying 'No Blacks' or 'No Asians' or discriminate in any other way - the law is very clear and strict about that. Remember that Christian couple who ran a B&B from their own home and refused a booking from a gay couple?

I expect they have bigger fish to fry, but if the Equality Commission ever took a look at some of the profiles on AW they would come down on it like a ton of bricks.

Not saying I'd agree with it, but that's what would happen.




Online Rickrabbit

It would seem her person preference is to be fucked by skinny Rabbits  :scare:
Seems there is a benefit to black men to having some white women not wanting to service them after all. Mind you I hope Horizontal Pleasures isn't black or he will be well upset at missing out on this one  :hi:

Offline Stalinator

Even thick pro$$ies can construct a better sentence than that  :sarcastic:

Or just put a sign in the window

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As an Irishman, those signs bring back some horrible memories of when I first started visiting the UK.


Offline The High Sparrow

Going back to the OP question, she is simply expressing a preference that, if observed, makes her life easier. It is not an apartheid thing or racist. 


Have to disagree on that. It is racial prejudice when you generalize experience based on a persons race. It doesn't mean the WG is a racist in her everyday life. it just means in that specific part of her life she is. But the nature of the Game means she is allowed to be as selective as she wants to be.

Offline smiths

Have to disagree on that. It is racial prejudice when you generalize experience based on a persons race. It doesn't mean the WG is a racist in her everyday life. it just means in that specific part of her life she is. But the nature of the Game means she is allowed to be as selective as she wants to be.

Good post, i agree. And as i posted above even if punting were regulated a WG would still have her own free choice who she wishes to punt with or the law would be party to state sanctioned force.

Regulation along with the race relations board might stop the open advertising of no blacks welcome as an example but it certainly wouldnt stop some WGs refusing punters that were black.

This is a subject without an answer, except educating people when young to view everyone as the individuals they are in my view.

James999

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Have to disagree on that. It is racial prejudice when you generalize experience based on a persons race. It doesn't mean the WG is a racist in her everyday life. it just means in that specific part of her life she is. But the nature of the Game means she is allowed to be as selective as she wants to be.

Lots of pro$$ies also have black boyfriends / pimps, so the "racist excuse" doesn't stack up.

Offline The High Sparrow

Lots of pro$$ies also have black boyfriends / pimps, so the "racist excuse" doesn't stack up.

It is human nature to stereotype people as . Everyone has some prejudices. That has been  scientifically proven

Offline The High Sparrow

If you walk along and see a dog and stroke it and it bites you, the next day you see a different dog and stroke it and it bites you, then you stop stroking dogs, it doesn't mean all dogs will bite you it means you learn from experiences.

It also mean you develop a prejudice against strange dogs. If you happen to own a dog yourself but still scared of other dogs it doesn't mean you don't have a prejudice