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Usually accepted as London or  Liverpool - mainly because of the Beatles etc
But what can beat Tyneside area for breadth of music - The Animals, the Police, Roxy Music, Dire Straits (OK Knopfler was born in Glasgow but made in Blyth - to change the RN  advert) 
4 entirely different styles of music and influenced so many other bands
Throw in Lindisfarne,  Chas Chandlers managing Jimi Hendrix, Alan Price, Brian Johnson with ACDC, Dave Stewart of Eurythmics
Even if we try and forget Cheryl Cole and Robson Green what area can compete in the 80s and 90s?

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Others would say Manchester
Joy Division, new order, Smiths, Happy Mondays, Stone Roses etc etc
Not sure as there is really a centre for music in the UK though because there's been so many great bands from all over the country really.

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Others would say Manchester
Joy Division, new order, Smiths, Happy Mondays, Stone Roses etc etc
Not sure as there is really a centre for music in the UK though because there's been so many great bands from all over the country really.

Sure Manchester had its day - much as Liverpool did in the 60s But it was the breadth of genres I was putting forward with Animals (soul),Lindisfarne (folk rock), Roxy Music (Glam ), Dire Straits (jazz) and Brian Johnson (metal)  + Police (punk Reggae)

Offline MrBamboo

Others would say Manchester
Joy Division, new order, Smiths, Happy Mondays, Stone Roses etc etc
Not sure as there is really a centre for music in the UK though because there's been so many great bands from all over the country really.

As you say any major city or region will have its share of artists... the Midlands have had Black Sabbath, Ub40, The Specials, ELO etc all the way through to Jorja Smith today

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Sure Manchester had its day - much as Liverpool did in the 60s But it was the breadth of genres I was putting forward with Animals (soul),Lindisfarne (folk rock), Roxy Music (Glam ), Dire Straits (jazz) and Brian Johnson (metal)  + Police (punk Reggae)
How do you get Dire Straits as being Jazz   :scare:

Rock with a hint of Blues surely  :unknown:

Anyway many areas have thrown up a wealth of talent and bands over the years sometimes with a bias towards certain Genres like the metal bands around Brum and the 2 Tone around Coventry.
I remember thinking years ago that a disproportionate number of top bands also seemed to come from Scotland and Wales for some reason.

Oh and just to point out that Brian Johnson replaced Bon Scott who died in 1980 though the original vocalist was called Dave Evans when AC/DC were formed in 1973 in Sydney Australia so i'm not quite sure how the NE can be credited with this apart from the current lead singer happens to originate from there  :unknown:

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Burnley in East Lancashire.

Chumbawamba. Famous for Tobthumping  :)

Anarchist punk band.
 Formed in 1982.

Offline mr.bluesky

As Blackpool Rock says Coventry was deemed to be the birthplace of " two tone" " music with groups like " The specials" we even have a Two Tone museum in the city  telling the story of Two tone music. There is no doubt that Britain has led the World in musical influences.
Wales has produced bands like The Stereophonics and Manic Streat preachers, Scotland can claim bands like Big Country and The proclaimers and many more. No doubt Liverpool had a massive influence on music in the 60's
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In the West Country we have erm, Tears for Fears and Peter Gabriel, with an honourable mention for The Wurzels and Wishbone Ash.

On the + side a lot of musos choose to settle here when they've made their money.

Oh - and Glastonbury!
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In the West Country we have erm, Tears for Fears and Peter Gabriel, with an honourable mention for The Wurzels and Wishbone Ash.

On the + side a lot of musos choose to settle here when they've made their money.

Oh - and Glastonbury!

I'm sure Wishbone Ash are delighted to be mentioned in the same sentence as The Wurzels   :D

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Usually accepted as London or  Liverpool - mainly because of the Beatles etc
But what can beat Tyneside area for breadth of music - The Animals, the Police, Roxy Music, Dire Straits (OK Knopfler was born in Glasgow but made in Blyth - to change the RN  advert) 
4 entirely different styles of music and influenced so many other bands
Throw in Lindisfarne,  Chas Chandlers managing Jimi Hendrix, Alan Price, Brian Johnson with ACDC, Dave Stewart of Eurythmics
Even if we try and forget Cheryl Cole and Robson Green what area can compete in the 80s and 90s?
You missed Hank Marvin of the Shadows, born couple of hundred yards from St James' Park.

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As Blackpool Rock says Coventry was deemed to be the birthplace of " two tone" " music with groups like " The specials" we even have a Two Tone museum in the city  telling the story of Two tone music. There is no doubt that Britain has led the World in musical influences.
Wales has produced bands like The Stereophonics and Manic Streat preachers, Scotland can claim bands like Big Country and The proclaimers and many more. No doubt Liverpool had a massive influence on music in the 60's

Britain has led the world? Really? My first non-classical music experience was seeing Louis Armstrong in Manchester. Obviously plenty of Brits were more influential. Just can't remember their names 

But clearly Little Richard wasn't a patch on a few Brits - which is why the Beatles copied him. What about Billie Holliday,  Sarah Vaughan and Ella Fitzgerald? Nothing compared to Amy Winehouse who copied them.

Sinatra? Matt Monroe was so much better. The Beach Boys. Who? Otis Redding? He seemed pretty good when I saw him.

A friend of mine works with Bruno Mars. He fills stadiums in places many people reading this have never even heard of let alone been to, like Tiflis, the capital of Georgia.
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Offline mr.bluesky

You missed Hank Marvin of the Shadows, born couple of hundred yards from St James' Park.

Not forgetting Chris Rea from Middlesbrough.

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Not forgetting Chris Rea from Middlesbrough.
That's Teesside not Tyneside.

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I'm sure Wishbone Ash are delighted to be mentioned in the same sentence as The Wurzels   :D

I was surprised you didn't give Jeff Lynne a mention!  :hi:

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That's Teesside not Tyneside.

I didn't say it was Tyneside, just pointing out it was the North east.

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I didn't say it was Tyneside, just pointing out it was the North east.
The OP said Tyneside in his post.   :unknown:

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The OP said Tyneside in his post.   :unknown:

to be fair i included Dave Stewart of Eurythmics fame and I think he was Sunderland and yes I forgot Hank Marvin

I note all the other cities have claims to fame especially inventing their own 'sound' but I'll stick to my thesis - admittedly meant to provoke discussion that the breadth of Tyneside music is unmatched.

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In the West Country we have erm, Tears for Fears and Peter Gabriel, with an honourable mention for The Wurzels and Wishbone Ash.

On the + side a lot of musos choose to settle here when they've made their money.

Oh - and Glastonbury!

You forgot to mention The Sundays and Portishead, two excellent indie bands from that part of the world.

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to be fair i included Dave Stewart of Eurythmics fame and I think he was Sunderland and yes I forgot Hank Marvin

I note all the other cities have claims to fame especially inventing their own 'sound' but I'll stick to my thesis - admittedly meant to provoke discussion that the breadth of Tyneside music is unmatched.
Which everyone appears to have questioned, BTW you didn't mention Gazza who did a cover of Fog on the Tyne and any resume wouldn't be complete without Jimmy Nail would it  :D

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Britain has led the world? Really? My first non-classical music experience was seeing Louis Armstrong in Manchester.

What about Billie Holliday,  Sarah Vaughan and Ella Fitzgerald? Nothing compared to Amy Winehouse who copied them.

Sinatra? Matt Monroe was so much better.

Satchmo was the man, multi talented.

Winehouse was hugely talented but Ella will always be the first lady of Jazz, no matter what.

Matt Monroe arguably our best crooner but better than Sinatra, I would choose ole blue eyes every time.

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Which everyone appears to have questioned, BTW you didn't mention Gazza who did a cover of Fog on the Tyne and any resume wouldn't be complete without Jimmy Nail would it  :D

Not forgetting Hoddle and Waddle with "Diamond lights
 :scare: ( OK so Hoddle was born in Hayes Middlesex)
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I will pitch the surprise entry, Hull.

House Martins, Beautiful South and Everything But The Girl!


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And Norfolk has its own unique style embodied in The Kipper Family

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I will pitch the surprise entry, Hull.

House Martins, Beautiful South and Everything But The Girl!

Mick Ronson, Trevor Bolder, Woody Woodmansey = The spiders from Mars

Offline mr.bluesky

Another shout out for Coventry,  60's singer Frank Ifield, 70's band Jigsaw who had a hit in 1975 with sky-high, indie band The Enemy,  also Hazel O'connor
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Satchmo was the man, multi talented.

Winehouse was hugely talented but Ella will always be the first lady of Jazz, no matter what.

Matt Monroe arguably our best crooner but better than Sinatra, I would choose ole blue eyes every time.

I used to go and listen to Matt Monroe in my lunch hours in the Cabaret Club, Manchester, 69 years ago. I once read that Sinatra thought he was excellent, but he liked the drink too much.

The best ever British singer before Tom Jones (actually born in South Africa) was Al Bowlly - killed by a bomb in the second world war. He was outselling Crosby at one point - produced an amazing number of records in a very brief career.

I think Sarah Vaughan was better than Fitzgerald. But one of the best shows I ever saw was Ella with the Count Basie band. My second wife and her best friend (who ran a whorehouse in Sydney) had a double date with Basie and Joe Williams in London. The friend had a relationship with Abe Saffron, the most successful crime lord in Australia - who was never brought to justice except for one very short sentence when young.
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In the West Country we have erm, Tears for Fears and Peter Gabriel, with an honourable mention for The Wurzels and Wishbone Ash.

On the + side a lot of musos choose to settle here when they've made their money.

Oh - and Glastonbury!

Also Massive Attack from Bristol.  Their guitarist died only a few days ago.

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Offline Jumping Jack Flash

This type of thread is always subjective and no-one will totally agree but for what it worth my take is that different places influenced specific genres.

Liverpool saw the birth of pop music - Gerry & the Pacemakers, the Beatles in their mop top days etc.

Sheffield has a good claim to the birth of electronic early 80’s pop - Heaven 17, the Human League and ABC

London & the Home Counties has British R n B, The Rolling Stones, The Yardbirds, The Kinks and The Who

The West Midlands has a good shout as the birth of Heavy Metal with Black Sabbath and a few members of Led Zeppelin being from the area.

Manchester is the home of indie pop with Joy Division/New Order and the Smiths

I’ve not included punk and disco as these originated overseas.

Offline chrishornx

Sure Manchester had its day - much as Liverpool did in the 60s But it was the breadth of genres I was putting forward with Animals (soul),Lindisfarne (folk rock), Roxy Music (Glam ), Dire Straits (jazz) and Brian Johnson (metal)  + Police (punk Reggae)

then add Buzzcocks, Take That , Oasis, Bee Gees, Elbow, Hollies, 10 cc, Simply Red, The Blossoms, Lisa Stansfield, Barclay James Harvest, Sad Cafe, Paul Young  to Manchester

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then add Buzzcocks, Take That , Oasis, Bee Gees, Elbow, Hollies, 10 cc, Simply Red, The Blossoms, Lisa Stansfield, Barclay James Harvest, Sad Cafe, Paul Young  to Manchester

The BeeGees were Manx not Mancs

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They built the National Centre for Popular Music in Sheffield. Cost £15 million opened 1999 closed 2000.

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There quite a bit of electonic music that comes from small studios in such places at Peterborough!..

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Whist broadly on the subject of english pop music this is an excelemt radio station that plays nothimng but Sixties music!, i've got it on in the car most all ther time either that or BBC Radio 3 ...

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Usually accepted as London or  Liverpool - mainly because of the Beatles etc
But what can beat Tyneside area for breadth of music - The Animals, the Police, Roxy Music, Dire Straits (OK Knopfler was born in Glasgow but made in Blyth - to change the RN  advert) 
4 entirely different styles of music and influenced so many other bands
Throw in Lindisfarne,  Chas Chandlers managing Jimi Hendrix, Alan Price, Brian Johnson with ACDC, Dave Stewart of Eurythmics
Even if we try and forget Cheryl Cole and Robson Green what area can compete in the 80s and 90s?

Don't forget Gazza and Jimmy Nail.

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Don't forget The Unthanks from the NE

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Don’t think it has a home as such, but when it comes to music the UK, given its size and population, punches far far above its weight in global terms. Liverpool, Birmingham, Newcastle, Manchester, the university towns and many more have produced world class acts, in the main from vibrant small club scenes. Wales too has had a share of UK musical glory. Let’s not forget Scotland either, Glasgow for example has been a musical powerhouse for decades producing any number of top rate musicians, and on the East Coast, Fife has been a musical hotbed the last ten / fifteen years. A lot of what we think of as American ethnic music is infused with Celtic influences. The feather in the cap ? The A303 which gave us the late great Reg Presley & The Troggs.

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There quite a bit of electonic music that comes from small studios in such places at Peterborough!..

virtually all derived from German influences though

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virtually all derived from German influences though

Shouldnt think anyone there's heard of Germany;!!

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You missed Hank Marvin of the Shadows, born couple of hundred yards from St James' Park.

I bet he gets fed up being offered a sandwich every time he introduces himself....




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Liverpool artists/ bands have the most number 1 hits since the charts began in the 50s, and have dominated the pop music charts ever since.


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Liverpool artists/ bands have the most number 1 hits since the charts began in the 50s, and have dominated the pop music charts ever since.



Name the last Liverpool group to have a number one?   Frankie goes to Hollywood, back in the 80's?

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West Midlands, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, ELO, (Wizard), Slade, to name but a few.

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West Midlands, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, ELO, (Wizard), Slade, to name but a few.

Judas Priest :hi:

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Name the last Liverpool group to have a number one?   Frankie goes to Hollywood, back in the 80's?
You really need to follow the news a bit, bad timing as The Beatles just got the title for longest time between their 1st and last No.1 hit with "Now and Then" which was No.1 last week  :lol:  :drinks:

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