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so how the fuck do you eat mushy peas or chicken curry?

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so how the fuck do you eat mushy peas or chicken curry?

Most chippy's around my area use those little disposable wooden forks, haven't seen a plastic fork for a long time. Surprised they didn't get rid of plastic forks sooner like they did with plastic straws  :unknown:

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Good! The less plastic crap the better in my opinion. To be fair plastic forks or polystyrene cups at the chippy or chinese doesn’t effect me anyway.
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Offline FLYING BLUE

I wish someone would ban these annoying twats who push plastic 'charity collection' bags through our letterboxes every bloody week!!

I've a pile 3 feet high in my kitchen!!

I've never once put anything in them & have no intention of ever doing so (my charitable donations are done another 'cautious' way)  ;)

I wonder how may end up in landfill  :dash:

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My chips and gravy will reet mess without a poly tray.....

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I wish someone would ban these annoying twats who push plastic 'charity collection' bags through our letterboxes every bloody week!!

I've a pile 3 feet high in my kitchen!!

I've never once put anything in them & have no intention of ever doing so (my charitable donations are done another 'cautious' way)  ;)

I wonder how may end up in landfill  :dash:

3 feet high, come on that’s got to be an exaggeration. I do feel charities have suffered and continue to post Covid and COL crisis. Maybe put a notice on door about no charity collections  :unknown:
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Maybe put a notice on door about no charity collections  :unknown:
That doesn't stop them, I've got this on my letterbox and they still push them through.  :dash:

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That doesn't stop them, I've got this on my letterbox and they still push them through.  :dash:

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Bloody hell perhaps not then
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so how the fuck do you eat mushy peas or chicken curry?

Good news, less plastic the better 👍

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I wish someone would ban these annoying twats who push plastic 'charity collection' bags through our letterboxes every bloody week!!

I've a pile 3 feet high in my kitchen!!

I've never once put anything in them & have no intention of ever doing so (my charitable donations are done another 'cautious' way)  ;)

I wonder how may end up in landfill  :dash:
I actively welcome those and use them as bin liners for the kitchen bin, never had to buy bin liners so saves me money  :thumbsup:

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Most chippy's around my area use those little disposable wooden forks, haven't seen a plastic fork for a long time. Surprised they didn't get rid of plastic forks sooner like they did with plastic straws  :unknown:
Hate wooden cutlery, it's flimsy as fuck and basically useless while at the same time makes me gag if it touches my tongue  :vomit:

People need to start seeing past this whole greenwashing crap that plastic is bad, plastic is actually a very energy efficient resource when compared to things like glass and metal so the amount of CO2 needed to make a plastic bottle is far less than for a glass bottle.
Using an "Environmental and Green" glass bottle is actually damaging the environment more than using a plastic alternative - Fact  :bomb:

The fundamental problem isn't the plastic but poor control / disposal of the plastic, basically the fuckwits that throw it on the floor  :mad:  :thumbsdown:

I know most people will probably disagree with my above post however that's because people have been lied to and given false facts or rather not the complete facts for decades now

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I recently bought some plastic cups, but the plastic is made from pine needles, so best of both worlds!
The figures etc that various "exoerts" like to spout about the "greeness" of products are, like any other statistic, very easily manipulated to suit whatever point you're trying to prove.
I just wish they'd leave the goal posts in one place - at one time, fleece jackets were "good" because (some) are made out of old drink bottles - now they're "bad" because they shed bites if plastic that end up in the fish we eat - let us catch up ffs!  :angry:

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Hate wooden cutlery, it's flimsy as fuck and basically useless while at the same time makes me gag if it touches my tongue  :vomit:

People need to start seeing past this whole greenwashing crap that plastic is bad, plastic is actually a very energy efficient resource when compared to things like glass and metal so the amount of CO2 needed to make a plastic bottle is far less than for a glass bottle.
Using an "Environmental and Green" glass bottle is actually damaging the environment more than using a plastic alternative - Fact  :bomb:

The fundamental problem isn't the plastic but poor control / disposal of the plastic, basically the fuckwits that throw it on the floor  :mad:  :thumbsdown:

I know most people will probably disagree with my above post however that's because people have been lied to and given false facts or rather not the complete facts for decades now

I am not an expert but are you missing the single use issue? Our glass milk bottles get refilled many times. Plastic is often single use.

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I am not an expert but are you missing the single use issue? Our glass milk bottles get refilled many times. Plastic is often single use.
Realistically how many people get milk in glass bottles these days  :unknown:

But taking milk as it's a good example -

If packed in glass then more energy is required to make the bottle to begin with, water is then needed to wash the bottle out at home (perhaps hot water which uses energy to heat it), OK so some people may use the left over water from doing other washing up but others wont.
The bottle then needs to be collected and taken back to a central facility or dairy using a likely fossil fuel vehicle (glass is quite heavy to transport compared to plastic), it then needs to be cleaned and sterilised all using extra water and heat before it can be filled again

Regarding the plastic bottle it's far less energy intensive to make and transport, the milk industry has for a few years been looking to use 100% recycled plastic in all of it's bottles (the milk bottles put into recycling bins are selected back out to be used to make new milk bottles) and they choose the best quality recycled material which did help lead to the price of recycled plastic shooting up.
If a plastic bottle does go in the landfill bin then it along with all other suitable waste should be incinerated so that the energy is recovered so if handled correctly they aren't actually single use

The worst example i've seen recently of Greenwashing is where Morrisons stopped packing milk in plastic bottles in a bid to simply jump on the Green blindfold bandwagon and switched to Tetra packs  :scare:
Tetra packs aren't widely recycled in the UK and contain mixed materials which is the worst thing you can have from a recycling POV, the majority of these will now end up in landfill  :dash:

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And the biggest problem with glass is quite simply the extra weight compared with plastic.
Four one pint glass bottles compared to one four pint plastic bottle make up a lot of dead weight that increases transport costs

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3 feet high, come on that’s got to be an exaggeration. I do feel charities have suffered and continue to post Covid and COL crisis. Maybe put a notice on door about no charity collections  :unknown:

Yes, it is, sorry - its actually only 2 feet 11.5 inches  :D

A wee bit naive Lou - I have the same sticker on my door as Mr DavieMac - nobody takes a blind bit of notice....

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Interesting about a ban on cotton buds. I will stock up.
Do women use them more than men? Do ministers have wax in their ears?


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That doesn't stop them, I've got this on my letterbox and they still push them through.  :dash:

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Is that in addition to the barbed wire round the letterbox and doormat made of broken glass?

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A couple of German shepherds patrolling in front of the main door would help.

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A couple of German shepherds patrolling in front of the main door would help.

That's been banned as well since world war one! You gotta call them alsatians now.   :rolleyes:

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That doesn't stop them, I've got this on my letterbox and they still push them through.  :dash:

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problem is Davie who is it that you report and who you report it to ?

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Interesting about a ban on cotton buds. I will stock up.
Do women use them more than men? Do ministers have wax in their ears?

What ban on cotton buds?

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Cost of polystyrene cups approx 3p.

Cost of Paper Cups 20p minus lid

The days of the £1 tea from a roadside van are well and truly over

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problem is Davie who is it that you report and who you report it to ?
I've really no idea, I don't intend reporting anyone, the sign is what it is, I never thought to ask if they could do one without that on. I just hoped it might deter unwanted callers interfering with my day.

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Realistically how many people get milk in glass bottles these days  :unknown:

But taking milk as it's a good example -

If packed in glass then more energy is required to make the bottle to begin with, water is then needed to wash the bottle out at home (perhaps hot water which uses energy to heat it), OK so some people may use the left over water from doing other washing up but others wont.
The bottle then needs to be collected and taken back to a central facility or dairy using a likely fossil fuel vehicle (glass is quite heavy to transport compared to plastic), it then needs to be cleaned and sterilised all using extra water and heat before it can be filled again

Regarding the plastic bottle it's far less energy intensive to make and transport, the milk industry has for a few years been looking to use 100% recycled plastic in all of it's bottles (the milk bottles put into recycling bins are selected back out to be used to make new milk bottles) and they choose the best quality recycled material which did help lead to the price of recycled plastic shooting up.
If a plastic bottle does go in the landfill bin then it along with all other suitable waste should be incinerated so that the energy is recovered so if handled correctly they aren't actually single use

The worst example i've seen recently of Greenwashing is where Morrisons stopped packing milk in plastic bottles in a bid to simply jump on the Green blindfold bandwagon and switched to Tetra packs  :scare:
Tetra packs aren't widely recycled in the UK and contain mixed materials which is the worst thing you can have from a recycling POV, the majority of these will now end up in landfill  :dash:

You prompted me to look up some of the papers etc on this - nothing is ever as straightforward as I think!!!

Firstly to answer one of your points - we use glass milk bottles and in the areas we have lived recently it is something that is making a real comeback.  There is real competition with several firms having knocked on our door to sign up for their service.  They all offer plenty of other things as well as milk.  I think this is a good thing for the community, especially older folks, and I suspect it is saving many trips to the shops that would be in fossill fuel vehicles.  (That of course is not affected by the glass or plastic question.)

On another point you mentioned I never considered people getting a bowl of hot water just to rinse a milk bottle, that would be dum.  We wash them when we do other washing up.

The material I have found agrees with your point about them being heavier and therefore using more fuel for transportation.   Most milk deliveries are on electric vehicles (Good old Ernie) so that is mitigated.

The key differences are the amount of times they are reused and the ease and efficiency of the recycling.  Consensus seems to be much in favour of glass bottles - but I won't pretend I conducted a scientific review!!


You mentioned tetra packs which we do recylce but we have to do that by taking them somewhere rather than being collected which is not ideal. I did find one article that was singing their praises compared to plastic but to be honest I did not look any further.  Perhaps a case where in theory they are great but in practice not so much.

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I've really no idea, I don't intend reporting anyone, the sign is what it is, I never thought to ask if they could do one without that on. I just hoped it might deter unwanted callers interfering with my day.

fully empathise but these bugger know that the sign really holds no real gravity unless we see them do it and apprehend them at the time which is very difficult

millions suffer from all these unwanted flyers through the door

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What ban on cotton buds?

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Single-use plastic straws, stirrers and cotton buds have already been banned in England since October 2020

In Scotland, cleaning one’s ears out still acceptable.

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fully empathise but these bugger know that the sign really holds no real gravity unless we see them do it and apprehend them at the time which is very difficult

millions suffer from all these unwanted flyers through the door
Thing is I don't know how many either of the signs do deter, I only know I still get the odd leaflet and occasional knock on the door. Having said that one bloke did knock on the door and when I answered said he didn't notice the sign, apologised and walked off.

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From the OP link:
In Scotland, cleaning one’s ears out still acceptable.
Pardon?

Interesting about a ban on cotton buds. I will stock up.
Do women use them more than men? Do ministers have wax in their ears?
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Single-use plastic straws, stirrers and cotton buds have already been banned in England since October 2020

In Scotland, cleaning one’s ears out still acceptable.

It's only plastic-stemmed cotton buds which are banned and you're nearly four years too late to stock up in Scotland.

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In Scotland, cleaning one’s ears out still acceptable.


It's only plastic-stemmed cotton buds which are banned and you're nearly four years too late to stock up in Scotland.

Can’t say I ever noticed the difference — do you?

Just another one of these ‘wish-n-prayer’ crappy ideas… use recyclable cotton buds and it will ‘stop global warming’, ffs, who are they kidding? ‘Every little bit helps’ blahblahblah, yeah like a little fucking cotton bud will move earth and solar rays to save the planet. No endgame. The planet will not be saved, whatever the fuck you or I or do. Get used to it.

Be responsible as far as it is your will to do so. But stop this virtue-signalling fantasy.

End of rant.  :hi:

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Can’t say I ever noticed the difference — do you?

Just another one of these ‘wish-n-prayer’ crappy ideas… use recyclable cotton buds and it will ‘stop global warming’, ffs, who are they kidding? ‘Every little bit helps’ blahblahblah, yeah like a little fucking cotton bud will move earth and solar rays to save the planet. No endgame. The planet will not be saved, whatever the fuck you or I or do. Get used to it.

Be responsible as far as it is your will to do so. But stop this virtue-signalling fantasy.

End of rant.  :hi:
I think the specific issue with plastic (stick) cotton buds is that Millions of them got flushed down the bog rather than going into a bin so the plastic ended up in the sea.

I know i've posted that this war on plastic is largely bollocks but i'm coming at it from the point that the plastic item whatever it is was never designed to be thrown on the floor or flushed into the sea.
Again it's not fundamentaly the plastic itself but the retards who don't dispose of it correctly

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Can’t say I ever noticed the difference — do you?

You're deflecting but yes, I noticed the change from plastic to paper.

As noted above one of the problems was the plastic ending up in the oceans.

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I think the specific issue with plastic (stick) cotton buds is that Millions of them got flushed down the bog rather than going into a bin so the plastic ended up in the sea.

I know i've posted that this war on plastic is largely bollocks but i'm coming at it from the point that the plastic item whatever it is was never designed to be thrown on the floor or flushed into the sea.
Again it's not fundamentaly the plastic itself but the retards who don't dispose of it correctly

Yes, this is a decent point. So much ‘levelling down’ as well as ‘levelling up’ from Victorian times when any decent fellow could do more or less what he wanted as he was trusted to be relatively decent and responsible about it. Nowadays we have baby proof locks on things as people don’t know how to care for children, and draconian drug laws lest retards kill themselves or others. Putting plastic down the loo for some poor seal to swallow is just a thin end of the wedge. Wouldn’t it be better simply to legalise ALL drugs so retards could just do everyone else a favour and kill themselves, leaving us to build a better society?

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I should add I am not advising retards to kill themselves, quite the opposite — but I doubt that they would take my advice anyway.

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Just happened across this, made me laugh but actually it makes a good point about this "War on plastic" actually targeting the tip of the iceberg, just a smoke screen so they can be seen to be doing "Something"



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Just happened across this, made me laugh but actually it makes a good point about this "War on plastic" actually targeting the tip of the iceberg, just a smoke screen so they can be seen to be doing "Something"



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ROFL!!  :D :D

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Lego axe plans to make bricks from recycled material as it would have actually increased their carbon emissions

Pleased to hear that they actually had the balls to do a proper life cycle analysis and stand by the results of it rather than simply ignoring it and pressing on because "That's what everybody wants and what the public already thinks"  :thumbsup:

Hopefully they can eventually find a more environmental solution which actually works

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Just happened across this, made me laugh but actually it makes a good point about this "War on plastic" actually targeting the tip of the iceberg, just a smoke screen so they can be seen to be doing "Something"



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You are of course right it is a much bigger problem. But at the moment the choice is do lots of little things like reducing plastic bags that will add up and over time gather momentum or sit there putting people off by smart arse comments and let the issue get worse until we are fucked. Personally I prefer to be optimistic and positive and get behind changes.

There will of course be mis steps, there always are when learning to walk.

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You are of course right it is a much bigger problem. But at the moment the choice is do lots of little things like reducing plastic bags that will add up and over time gather momentum or sit there putting people off by smart arse comments and let the issue get worse until we are fucked. Personally I prefer to be optimistic and positive and get behind changes.

There will of course be mis steps, there always are when learning to walk.
So what do you see as actually being the problem  :unknown:
If it's the narrative that's been pushed then it will be plastic full stop however it's an incorrect "truth", as i've previously posted plastic can be recycled (and should be recycled) then what goes in general waste the energy should be recovered by incineration rather than putting it in landfill.

Did you know for instance that a plastic bottle now needs to contain a minimum of 30% recycled material otherwise a "Plastic tax" or levy is imposed.
It's currently actually cheaper to pay the levy than the increased bottle cost for recycled material but no doubt the levy will increase over time (yes recycled plastic is more expensive than virgin plastic as there simply isn't enough of it in the recycling chain to satisfy demand which pushes the price up further) 

Taking the flagship "Single use plastic bags", what a crock of shite that is, it must be 7 or 8 years since they were charged for however i'm still using some of the ones that i had back then so hardly single use if you choose to reuse them and are careful not to damage them when packing your shopping into them.
In contrast i've had some of the heavy duty plastic bags that only lasted a couple of months but contained way more plastic.

I posted on another thread years ago about single use plastic bags and linked to articles by Greenpeace and another similar source about using cotton bags instead of plastic, their conclusion was that the cotton bags needed to be used around 70,000 times before they became carbon neutral when compared to a single use plastic bag.

I now use the plastic charity bags that come through my door as bin liners rather than throw them straight in the landfill bin, I used to use the old tatty single use carriers and knew other people who also used to use them however they now buy specific bin liners.
If you weigh a specific bin liner you will find they contain much more plastic than a single use carrier bag therefore for anyone who used to think environmentally and get the maximum use from their plastic bags the amount of plastic being used and sent to land fill has actually increased, bin liners by their very nature are surely the definition of single use but apparently that's acceptable until it gets picked up on

Sales of bin liners increased once the levy was introduced, this article looks to have been published fairly soon after the plastic bag levy was introduced however i'd actually as a result of it that more plastic was used as people switched to heavy duty bags and resorted to buying heavier bin liners and also the switch to cotton bags etc will have increased CO2 emissions.
Cotton also uses a whole load of water to produce, the Aral sea is a man made environmental disaster due to cotton production  :thumbsdown:
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Again plastic isn't inherently the problem but the poor disposal / end of life of plastic is

I'm actually defending plastic from an environmental point of view as I think we need to be doing as much as possible to protect the environment not just at a local level but on a world level so that includes overall CO2 emissions etc in which case plastic wins hand down

Sorry that you feel some of the comments are smart arse but once you dig down a bit into the detail of these things the actual facts are not necessarily what people are being conned into believing

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Just happened across this, made me laugh but actually it makes a good point about this "War on plastic" actually targeting the tip of the iceberg, just a smoke screen so they can be seen to be doing "Something"



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yes very good post  :thumbsup:

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@Blackpool Rock....  Well said.   :thumbsup:

Could HYDROPOL technology be the future?
It's a tad pricey atm, but see where it goes.

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Hydropol ... or ... with help of AI use enzymes to "eat" plastics

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Creating plastic-eating enzymes that could save us from pollution

While we can attempt to reduce our dependence on plastic, industries like food and medicine can’t simply replace it. So scientists John McGeehan, Rosie Graham, and their colleagues at the Centre for Enzyme Innovation at the University of Portsmouth, are developing a different solution: a fully circular plastic economy. The idea is to use enzymes to break down plastic polymers so that they can be 100% recycled back to their initial state – or even upcycling degraded material back to the quality of virgin plastic.

No apology for referencing the world's leading AI company twice in two days.  :P

IMO it's something to be celebrated as a London based startup which is now heads up all of Google's AI efforts.

It's a truism but there are more scientists and technologists alive today than in the entire previous history of the human race, and we are on the cusp of a revolution in material science.

Technology is the most likely solution to the problems we face. For example a headline this morning that thanks to the deployment of new tech such as solar and EVs a leading economist thinks the world may be on track to restrict global warming to 1.5C after all.

Quote from: The Guardian
‘Staggering’ green growth gives hope for 1.5C, says global energy head

IEA’s Fatih Birol says uptake of solar power and EVs is in line with net zero goal but rich countries must hasten their broader plans

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I wish someone would ban these annoying twats who push plastic 'charity collection' bags through our letterboxes every bloody week!!

I've a pile 3 feet high in my kitchen!!


I use those to line my kitchen bin for general waste.  Weekly/bi-weekly straight into the black bin and another freebie to line my bin again  :thumbsup:   

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It's not rocket science.

Reduce the amount of waste you create, reuse items wherever possible, recycle stuff at the end of its life.

All these folks that live in the past, surely they remember "make do and mend" it's the same principle.

And no one says you can't have a plastic bag, you just have to pay for one. Big fucking deal, I have to pay for everything else I buy. What's the issue?

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That doesn't stop them, I've got this on my letterbox and they still push them through.  :dash:

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Any unwanted Junk mail put through this letter box, you have agreed to an invoice of £10, which must be paid.   Any refusal to pay this invoice will lead to court action against you.  All though it has stopped the majority of junk email, some person still put junk mail through this person letter box

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How about re-usable plastic spoons? (Most of them are). Whereas the little wooden ones some places are introducing get stained.

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One of my neighbours also put this note below the NO JUNK MAIL

Any unwanted Junk mail put through this letter box, you have agreed to an invoice of £10, which must be paid.   Any refusal to pay this invoice will lead to court action against you.  All though it has stopped the majority of junk email, some person still put junk mail through this person letter box

You have to wonder how ugly you have to make your front door just to deter such people.
It’s mostly pizza adverts I get. Probably the people posting them don’t even have English as a first language. They are just paid to put them through letterboxes. I think of the time it takes me to put them in the rubbish as an act of charity.