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Good luck to them. It sounds pretty technical but it seems like it’s pushing boundaries on several fronts. Big solar flares, one of the things it may help to predict, can cause massive damage on earth. But it’s like tsunami prediction: will governments take appropriate safety measures given the knowledge?

Lagrange points are exploited in science fiction but the maths (on bigger scales) look enticing. The James Webb Telescope uses one as well. Maybe they could be used for space colonisation.
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I love this stuff that pushes the frontiers of knowledge. Cool.

Yeah, despite recent advances in technology we are still only scratching the surface in what we know about our universe.

Offline Marmalade

Yeah, despite recent advances in technology we are still only scratching the surface in what we know about our universe.

People complain about it when many Indians are starving: but re-directing the money wouldn’t have stopped poverty.


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People complain about it when many Indians are starving: but re-directing the money wouldn’t have stopped poverty.

It would probably end up in some corrupt officials back pocket anyway  :unknown:

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I love this stuff that pushes the frontiers of knowledge. Cool.

Me, too.  I am continually fascinated by some  of the 'space' stuff going on, particularly  when something works well beyond its intended scope/life expectancy. 

Voyagers 1 and 2, are now in interstellar space,  having had their original  missions redefined  multiple times.

The mini helicopter on Mars, originally  intended to fly a mere handful of missions, has just flown for the 52nd time; at one point they lost it for 3 months as it flew behind a hill and lost contact with the explorer rover.  It was reawakened when the river drove nearer.

Offline Marmalade

Me, too.  I am continually fascinated by some  of the 'space' stuff going on, particularly  when something works well beyond its intended scope/life expectancy. 

Voyagers 1 and 2, are now in interstellar space,  having had their original  missions redefined  multiple times.

The mini helicopter on Mars, originally  intended to fly a mere handful of missions, has just flown for the 52nd time; at one point they lost it for 3 months as it flew behind a hill and lost contact with the explorer rover.  It was reawakened when the river drove nearer.

Thanks for this. I know there are other areas equally important that we should be studying here on earth as well but I still like to hear about the space mission stuff. Some of it has taken decades of work and barely gets a mention.

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Thanks for this. I know there are other areas equally important that we should be studying here on earth as well but I still like to hear about the space mission stuff. Some of it has taken decades of work and barely gets a mention.

And just to add to it, there's today's news on the recovery of the samples from the asteroid.  Incredible piece of work  by NASA.

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And just to add to it, there's today's news on the recovery of the samples from the asteroid.  Incredible piece of work  by NASA.

Queen guitarist Sir Brian May who is a qualified astrophysicist has had a lot of input into this by helping create 3D images of the asteroid to pick a suitable landing site to collect samples from it's surface . Benue is one of the most dangerous asteroids in the solar system  it has had 3 close encounters with earth since 1999.
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Offline Marmalade

Queen guitarist Sir Brian May who is a qualified astrophysicist has had a lot of input into this by helping create 3D images of the asteroid to pick a suitable landing site to collect samples from it's surface . Benue is one of the most dangerous asteroids in the solar system  it has had 3 close encounters with earth since 1999.

I only caught part of the Sky News interview with the physicist but didn’t he say that the chances of an actual collision were less than 1%?

Interesting stuff about Brian May.

Catweazle: do you get a newsfeed or email alert on this stuff? The physicist (mentioned above) was speaking very quickly on fairly complex stuff and I didn’t have time to take in everything he was saying.

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I only caught part of the Sky News interview with the physicist but didn’t he say that the chances of an actual collision were less than 1%?

Interesting stuff about Brian May.

Catweazle: do you get a newsfeed or email alert on this stuff? The physicist (mentioned above) was speaking very quickly on fairly complex stuff and I didn’t have time to take in everything he was saying.

The NASA Web site is a pretty good Web site that's always kept up to date, they often produce the latest images fom the James Webb and Hubble telescopes on a regular basis. There is another one called Space answers.com which is run by All about Space magazine.  You can have regular E mail updates from this site.  :hi:
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Offline Marmalade

The NASA Web site is a pretty good Web site that's always kept up to date, they often produce the latest images fom the James Webb and Hubble telescopes on a regular basis. There is another one called Space answers.com which is run by All about Space magazine.  You can have regular E mail updates from this site.  :hi:

I like the NASA site. I’ll check the other one out. Thanks.

Offline Corus Boy

I enjoyed the information released today;

The samples were collected in 2020, its taken until now to get them back to Earth.

Samples are being 'shared' around the scientific community.

Some samples arebeing 'sealed away' so as to preserve them for the future when more analytical tools maybe available.

There are samples of Moon Rock similarly preserved for future analysis.

Offline Blackpool Rock

I only caught part of the Sky News interview with the physicist but didn’t he say that the chances of an actual collision were less than 1%?

Interesting stuff about Brian May.

Catweazle: do you get a newsfeed or email alert on this stuff? The physicist (mentioned above) was speaking very quickly on fairly complex stuff and I didn’t have time to take in everything he was saying.
There was a figure a couple of days ago something like 1 in 1750 but they didn't say over what timescale  :unknown:
Is this every time it passes in which case those odds look a bit short for my liking  :scare:
How often does it pass  :unknown:

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There was a figure a couple of days ago something like 1 in 1750 but they didn't say over what timescale  :unknown:
Is this every time it passes in which case those odds look a bit short for my liking  :scare:
How often does it pass  :unknown:

It passes by the earth every 6 years  :hi:

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Catweazle: do you get a newsfeed or email alert on this stuff? The physicist (mentioned above) was speaking very quickly on fairly complex stuff and I didn’t have time to take in everything he was saying.

No, nothing particular,  it's just an area that interests me, so I tend to read multiple articles from different  sources to get a fuller picture.  As mentioned,  the NASA  and JPL (jet propulsion lab) websites are great.

Offline Colston36

Without getting too political

The UK sends out aid to various countries to try and increase or maintain its influence on a global scale

Personally speaking, I think countries should concenrate their resources on lower level problems than trying to reach the moon, effectively just a vanity project

Agree 3,000%. The idea that our money makes any impact on what India does or Indians think is laughable. But to bring this discussion slightly back to base I had an affair for years with an Indian lady whose father had fought for the Indian National Army against the British. And just about the sexiest escort I ever met here is Indian.

Offline Blackpool Rock

1st ever commercial craft (American) has now landed on the moon, not sure why the sudden spate in moon landings with both India and Japan also recently doing so but these things must take 10 or 20 years to plan  :unknown:

Russia also had a moon landing program recently but theirs crashed  :sarcastic:

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Offline RandomGuy99

1st ever commercial craft (American) has now landed on the moon, not sure why the sudden spate in moon landings with both India and Japan also recently doing so but these things must take 10 or 20 years to plan  :unknown:

Russia also had a moon landing program recently but theirs crashed  :sarcastic:

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They're using Moon launches as a testbed for equipment to get to Mars and also people are investigating the feasibility of a Moon base or possibly using the Moon as a staging post to refuel craft for travelling to Mars. It might make it cheaper to get craft up into space if they didn't have to carry the fuel for the whole trip to Mars at the point of launching.

Offline Watts.E.Dunn

Makes you wonder why we might want to go to Mars?

Whats the point?. Seems it will take the best part of a year to get there, and when we do what will we, might we, find?.

And then, where after that ?. Looking at the amazing images that the JWST is sending back, the distances are well beyond what we can do, even if we could travel at the spped of light not saying we can not one day but some horrible problems with that then we have to find somewhere inhabitable seems that theres nowhere "local"..

Perphaps best if we look atfter this little rock better than what we do!...

Some hope:(...

Online mr.bluesky

1st ever commercial craft (American) has now landed on the moon, not sure why the sudden spate in moon landings with both India and Japan also recently doing so but these things must take 10 or 20 years to plan  :unknown:

Russia also had a moon landing program recently but theirs crashed  :sarcastic:

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One things for sure I don't think Britain will be sending a rocket to the moon when we can’t even get our missiles to launch properly.  :dash:
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Offline RandomGuy99

Makes you wonder why we might want to go to Mars?

Whats the point?. Seems it will take the best part of a year to get there, and when we do what will we, might we, find?.

And then, where after that ?. Looking at the amazing images that the JWST is sending back, the distances are well beyond what we can do, even if we could travel at the spped of light not saying we can not one day but some horrible problems with that then we have to find somewhere inhabitable seems that theres nowhere "local"..

Perphaps best if we look atfter this little rock better than what we do!...

Some hope:(...
Why?

To learn more about the universe and the world we live in. It drives innovation in many areas including microelectronics from the first moon programme.  These innovations trickle down into our everyday lives.  The commercial companies are succeeding at developing more reusable launch vehicles, which may in time bring down the cost of these launches which will enable more launches.

The human race has always explored and it has yielded benefits.

To boldly go where no person has gone before.

Offline Blackpool Rock

Makes you wonder why we might want to go to Mars?

Whats the point?. Seems it will take the best part of a year to get there, and when we do what will we, might we, find?.

And then, where after that ?. Looking at the amazing images that the JWST is sending back, the distances are well beyond what we can do, even if we could travel at the spped of light not saying we can not one day but some horrible problems with that then we have to find somewhere inhabitable seems that theres nowhere "local"..

Perphaps best if we look atfter this little rock better than what we do!...

Some hope:(...
Eventually we will need to get off of this rock if the human race is to survive  :cry:

A Dying Star
Eventually, the fuel of the sun - hydrogen - will run out. When this happens, the sun will begin to die. But don’t worry, this should not happen for about 5 billion years. 

After the hydrogen runs out, there will be a period of 2-3 billion years whereby the sun will go through the phases of star death. Once the hydrogen runs out, our yellow dwarf star will begin to swell. It will swell to a size that will cause it to swallow Gutter press, Venus, and Earth. It may even grow to overtake more of the planets. When the sun increases in size it will become a “red giant.” After this, it will lose many of its outer layers and eventually shrink to become a “white dwarf.” White dwarf stars are still very hot, but not nearly as hot as the sun is now. Finally, our star will fade out and become a “black dwarf,” where very little is left of its original form. Black dwarf stars are not hot and don’t put off any energy.

Offline maxQ

They're using Moon launches as a testbed for equipment to get to Mars and also people are investigating the feasibility of a Moon base or possibly using the Moon as a staging post to refuel craft for travelling to Mars. It might make it cheaper to get craft up into space if they didn't have to carry the fuel for the whole trip to Mars at the point of launching.

No, they will be refueling at LEO, then on to Mars, NASA want to go to the Moon, so SpaceX and others are happy to make money giving them what they want

Offline maxQ

One things for sure I don't think Britain will be sending a rocket to the moon when we can’t even get our missiles to launch properly.  :dash:

Those are two different issues

There is nothing SpaceX and to a lesser extent Rocket Lab are doing that a team from the UK couldn't do with the right leader, and a few hundred million, it will happen soon enough

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Those are two different issues

There is nothing SpaceX and to a lesser extent Rocket Lab are doing that a team from the UK couldn't do with the right leader, and a few hundred million, it will happen soon enough

That will be a few hundred million well spent then  :sarcastic: may as well keep giving aid to India for them to spend on their space programme

Offline RandomGuy99

No, they will be refueling at LEO, then on to Mars, NASA want to go to the Moon, so SpaceX and others are happy to make money giving them what they want
We need to bring Space 1999 to life, so we need a Moon Base Alpha. It'll probably be British hence why it'll be 30 years late due to planning hold ups and the wrong dust on the Moon.

Offline Jomoore

One things for sure I don't think Britain will be sending a rocket to the moon when we can’t even get our missiles to launch properly:dash:

The UK is getting a bashing for this in worldwide media, but I thought the Trident system was American and we just rent it?

Offline RandomGuy99

The UK is getting a bashing for this in worldwide media, but I thought the Trident system was American and we just rent it?
Seems like they somewho managed to screw up the firing of the test missile? I guess they disable bits of it and obviously they remove the warhead, so in doing so they must have screwed it up so it's rocket motors didn't fire after it broke the surface of the sea.  Doh!

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We need to bring Space 1999 to life, so we need a Moon Base Alpha. It'll probably be British hence why it'll be 30 years late due to planning hold ups and the wrong dust on the Moon.
Or maybe SHADO moon base would be better. Not entirely sure why had to wear purple wigs and tight fitting clothing while on the moon, but it works for me



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So the first commercial built moon lander Odysseus has landed on the moon yesterday, unfortunately images sent back from the vehicle shows that it has tipped over on its side . Personally I blame those pesky clangers who watched it land then ran over to it and tipped it over  :D

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A poor design if you ask me, surely anyone can see it was never going to land upright  :unknown:

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So the first commercial built moon lander Odysseus has landed on the moon yesterday, unfortunately images sent back from the vehicle shows that it has tipped over on its side . Personally I blame those pesky clangers who watched it land then ran over to it and tipped it over  :D

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A poor design if you ask me, surely anyone can see it was never going to land upright  :unknown:

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Well with Earth's gravity it wouldn't land straight. It looks a bit top heavy to me, but with the Moon having less gravity then perhaps it was less of a concern.  I'd have gone for something wider and shorter, but maybe the landing zone being full of deep craters led them to go for the design they used?

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Well with Earth's gravity it wouldn't land straight. It looks a bit top heavy to me, but with the Moon having less gravity then perhaps it was less of a concern.  I'd have gone for something wider and shorter, but maybe the landing zone being full of deep craters led them to go for the design they used?

They now think it's likely one of the landing legs broke on impact causing it to tip over  :unknown:
I remember reading about the Apollo 11 moon landing was supposed to be computer controlled until Neal Armstrong noticed the landing site was full of boulders so he disconnected it and landed it manually by looking out of the landing module window.  There were only seconds of fuel remaining before he touched down.
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Offline RandomGuy99

They now think it's likely one of the landing legs broke on impact causing it to tip over  :unknown:
Interesting. One of the pirposes of the visit was to learn, so they did learn that the legs need to be stronger.

Offline Colston36

Errrrr...

The Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office (FCDO), which distributes aid, sent India £33.4 million in aid cash in 2022/23. But the FCDO's annual report, published this week, reveals that the total is set to rise to £57 million in 2024/25.

Insane. India is ruled by a rogue who persecutes Muslims 

Offline DastardlyDick

The UK is getting a bashing for this in worldwide media, but I thought the Trident system was American and we just rent it?
I believe it's "dual key" operation (happy if this is incorrect) but it is an American system.
Our esteemed (yeah, right) Defence Secretary has implied that the failure was due to it not being a "live" launch.

Offline DastardlyDick

Or maybe SHADO moon base would be better. Not entirely sure why had to wear purple wigs and tight fitting clothing while on the moon, but it works for me



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That's an impressive pair of chebs, given that the moon has virtually zero gravity, they should by near her chin  :lol:

Offline Blackpool Rock

They now think it's likely one of the landing legs broke on impact causing it to tip over  :unknown:
I remember reading about the Apollo 11 moon landing was supposed to be computer controlled until Neal Armstrong noticed the landing site was full of boulders so he disconnected it and landed it manually by looking out of the landing module window.  There were only seconds of fuel remaining before he touched down.
I did hear that they actually had more fuel than they thought, something to do with the fuel sensor being in a poor position so giving a false reading or similar  :unknown:

Offline RandomGuy99

That's an impressive pair of chebs, given that the moon has virtually zero gravity, they should by near her chin  :lol:
Ah ha... that must be what the purple wigs do... create earth like gravity on the moon   

Online catweazle

We need to bring Space 1999 to life, so we need a Moon Base Alpha. It'll probably be British hence why it'll be 30 years late due to planning hold ups and the wrong dust on the Moon.

Wasn't the original premise that something had happened to blast the moon out of earth orbit and it was just aimlessly  wandering through space?

Offline scutty brown

Wasn't the original premise that something had happened to blast the moon out of earth orbit and it was just aimlessly  wandering through space?

A nuclear waste dump exploded with enough energy to knock the moon out of orbit. Also had disastrous consequences on earth, which is why they didn't bother trying to fly back

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A nuclear waste dump exploded with enough energy to knock the moon out of orbit. Also had disastrous consequences on earth, which is why they didn't bother trying to fly back

Thanks Scutty, I was on the right lines!

Offline Watts.E.Dunn

Well i have no doubt that we will go to the Moon again and then possibley to mars to see what we can nick from the Martians. Metals minerats and owt worth pinching but beyond there its a bloody long way to anywhere else even to the edge of out own solar system!

As B Rock rightfully says in Time to come the Sun will expire and burn out and yes we do have a long time before that happens and as long as we don't sod it all up we might be able to make a self supporting space ship that can do the distances over many years untill we find anywhere else to live! ...

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Interesting. One of the pirposes of the visit was to learn, so they did learn that the legs need to be stronger.

It has been confirmed from photos sent back to earth that one of the legs did indeed snap on landing causing the vehicle to tip over  :dash: possibly a design fault or maybe they misjudged the impact force on landing  :unknown:

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I did tell them when I saw the plans, I said those legs are too thin and will break on landing  :D
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Offline Blackpool Rock

It has been confirmed from photos sent back to earth that one of the legs did indeed snap on landing causing the vehicle to tip over  :dash: possibly a design fault or maybe they misjudged the impact force on landing  :unknown:

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I did tell them when I saw the plans, I said those legs are too thin and will break on landing  :D
There was something on the news yesterday and they were saying the computer thought the lander was 100 feet or 100 metres higher than it actually was so it effectively crash landed with a much harder impact than intended