Indian Moon mission

[Blackpool Rock]

India becomes only the 4th nation to successfully "Soft land" on the moon 

This comes days after the Russian mission to land in the same area near the South pole failed 

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[RadioKid]

Does this mean the UK can stop sending Aid to India now?

[Corus Boy]

Does this mean the UK can stop sending Aid to India now?

Errrrr...

The Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office (FCDO), which distributes aid, sent India £33.4 million in aid cash in 2022/23. But the FCDO's annual report, published this week, reveals that the total is set to rise to £57 million in 2024/25.

[daviemac]

Does this mean the UK can stop sending Aid to India now?

Nothing to do with it.

Nobody should need reminding about the rules.

[RandomGuy99]

An amazing achievement. Well done India.

And supposedly at a budget price, which I'm not 100% convinced of, but it's their money so I don't care.

[lewisjones23]

Without getting too political

The UK sends out aid to various countries to try and increase or maintain its influence on a global scale

Personally speaking, I think countries should concenrate their resources on lower level problems than trying to reach the moon, effectively just a vanity project

[daviemac]

Without getting too political

The UK sends out aid to various countries to try and increase or maintain its influence on a global scale

Personally speaking, I think countries should concenrate their resources on lower level problems than trying to reach the moon, effectively just a vanity project

Yet again why the UK send out aid or how other countries use their resources has nothing to do with the subject of this thread.

The place to discuss politics is here - https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=339931.0 - and only on that thread.

No more warnings.

[mr.bluesky]

Does this mean the UK can stop sending Aid to India now?

I mentioned this on July 15th on the " grumpy old men what pisses you off today thread" 

[Blackpool Rock]

Always worth reading a thread to the end before posting 

[badsin]

Oops.

[standardpostage]

Mooning used to be popular at one time !

Not so much nowadays.

[scutty brown]

So the Indians have achieved what the Russians currently can't.
Another poke in the eye for Putin

strangely enough the guy in charge of the Russian attempt was taken ill yesterday and rushed to hospital..............

[Blackpool Rock]

So the Indians have achieved what the Russians currently can't.
Another poke in the eye for Putin

strangely enough the guy in charge of the Russian attempt was taken ill yesterday and rushed to hospital..............

Well the space craft didn't make a soft landing and I doubt his fall out of the hospital window will either 

[StingRay]

Well the space craft didn't make a soft landing and I doubt his fall out of the hospital window will either 

Niet, newcomer will get him!

[daviemac]

So the Indians have achieved what the Russians currently can't.
Another poke in the eye for Putin

strangely enough the guy in charge of the Russian attempt was taken ill yesterday and rushed to hospital..............

Regardless of anything else it's a massive achievement and who knows what good it will do for their industrial credibility.

[StingRay]

Well the space craft didn't make a soft landing and I doubt his fall out of the hospital window will either 

Newcomer will get him first! 

[timsussex]

Regardless of anything else it's a massive achievement and who knows what good it will do for their industrial credibility.

Hope so; some of my pension SIPP is invested in India shares (via a managed fund) Its up 30% in 2 years   

[JontyR]

Regardless of anything else it's a massive achievement and who knows what good it will do for their industrial credibility.

And for all the talk about trying to get kids involved with Science and Engineering this will blow the doors off in comparison to any other activity.

[maxQ]

So the Indians have achieved what the Russians currently can't.

You can believe that India is ahead of Russia in Space or Aerospace tech, if you want, but its just not true

IMO right now it ranks as

US
Russia
ESA/China
India
The rest

Things are getting very interesting in space exploration, so expect change in the next decade

[RedKettle]

You can believe that India is ahead of Russia in Space or Aerospace tech, if you want, but its just not true

IMO right now it ranks as

US
Russia
ESA/China
India
The rest

Things are getting very interesting in space exploration, so expect change in the next decade

His statement was a simple fact that is correct, whatever your opinion on a different question.

[Jonestown]

How long before the conspiracy theorists step up to claim it's a hoax shot on a Bollywood back lot and on location in the Indian Himalayan Region ?

[RedKettle]

How long before the conspiracy theorists step up to claim it's a hoax shot on a Bollywood back lot and on location in the Indian Himalayan Region ?

Are you sure it was not!!??

 

[badsin]

How long before the conspiracy theorists step up to claim it's a hoax shot on a Bollywood back lot and on location in the Indian Himalayan Region ?

If three other countries have Landed in the moon, since the USA first laned in 1969, have the found anything the yanks left behind.....moon buggy etc?

[RedKettle]

If three other countries have Landed in the moon, since the USA first laned in 1969, have the found anything the yanks left behind.....moon buggy etc?

The moon is pretty big!  And India have just landed in an area never landed on before.

[mills_and_bhuna]

If three other countries have Landed in the moon, since the USA first laned in 1969, have the found anything the yanks left behind.....moon buggy etc?

A packet of cream crackers and a slice of Wensleydale.
I have my suspicions on who left that

[catweazle]

If three other countries have Landed in the moon, since the USA first laned in 1969, have the found anything the yanks left behind.....moon buggy etc?

Detritus left behind is regularly picked up on camera  from orbiting craft.   Additionally   one of tha Apollo missions placed mirrors flat on the surface, which are then used to bounce  laser beams off, to give highly accurate distance measurements.

[PepeMAGA]

Had there been any kind of claims of land ownership made on the moon? Moonbases aside, some may want to mine it

[mr.bluesky]

Had there been any kind of claims of land ownership made on the moon? Moonbases aside, some may want to mine it

That will be only a matter of time before that happens.  China are talking about putting another man on the moon, so you can bet China USA and Russia will be making claims over mining rights in the future.

[JontyR]

That will be only a matter of time before that happens.  China are talking about putting another man on the moon, so you can bet China USA and Russia will be making claims over mining rights in the future.

Well India getting to the South Pole is critical in this regard (and we saw Russia's interest). The first thing they'll be wanting to mine is water which they reckon could be available in that region. Not only for potential drinking but for the ability to split it for fuel and oxygen its worth maybe more than its weight in gold considering the cost to get it there otherwise

[PepeMAGA]

Well India getting to the South Pole is critical in this regard (and we saw Russia's interest). The first thing they'll be wanting to mine is water which they reckon could be available in that region. Not only for potential drinking but for the ability to split it for fuel and oxygen its worth maybe more than its weight in gold considering the cost to get it there otherwise

Weird that there's water there in any substantial amount.

[mr.bluesky]

Weird that there's water there in any substantial amount.

They reckon it's in the bottom of some of the deep craters where sunlight isn't able to get to it.

[maxQ]

Had there been any kind of claims of land ownership made on the moon? Moonbases aside, some may want to mine it

AFAIK countries can't clam ownership of the Moon or other Planets, but nothing stops private people or companies claiming ownership, IMO you own something if you can sell it, there was some dude selling land on the Moon a while back, but this only works as a joke, you send him £100 and he gives you the "deeds" to a million acres of the Moon, a nice joke present for Christmas. in the end, all power flows from the barrel of a gun

[mr.bluesky]

AFAIK countries can't clam ownership of the Moon or other Planets, but nothing stops private people or companies claiming ownership, IMO you own something if you can sell it, there was some dude selling land on the Moon a while back, but this only works as a joke, you send him £100 and he gives you the "deeds" to a million acres of the Moon, a nice joke present for Christmas. in the end, all power flows from the barrel of a gun

£100 for fake deeds of the moon  that's an expensive impractical present.

[JontyR]

Weird that there's water there in any substantial amount.

There's a school of thought which suggests that most of our water came from comets etc.

[mr.bluesky]

There's a school of thought which suggests that most of our water came from comets etc.

True, and they say the moon formed after a large celestial  body about the size of Mars collided with the earth so any water present at that time may have transferred to the rocks which went on to form the moon

[Marmalade]

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There’s some impressive footage here though you may want to scroll forward to the highlights.
I wonder where the cameras are?

Internationally it was described as an exceptionally smooth landing. I imagine there must be pretty impressive tech to slow it down sufficiently to do that.

[mr.bluesky]

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Internationally it was described as an exceptionally smooth landing. I imagine there must be pretty impressive tech to slow it down sufficiently to do that.

Unlike the Russian Luna-25 vehicle 
I'm surprised Russia didn't try and sabotage India's attempt to land a rover on the moon.
I bet the project leaders of the Russian attempt have already "accidentally" started to fall out of tall building windows 
If not a word of advice " don't take any internal flights for the rest of your days " 

[scutty brown]

Unlike the Russian Luna-25 vehicle 
I'm surprised Russia didn't try and sabotage India's attempt to land a rover on the moon.
I bet the project leaders of the Russian attempt have already "accidentally" started to fall out of tall building windows 
If not a word of advice " don't take any internal flights for the rest of your days " 

The lead scientist was taken to hospital the day after the crash

[PepeMAGA]

There's a school of thought which suggests that most of our water came from comets etc.

Yeah I mean you get icy comets etc, but seems odd it collecting at the pole of a non with no atmosphere... To me anyway

[Blackpool Rock]

Yeah I mean you get icy comets etc, but seems odd it collecting at the pole of a non with no atmosphere... To me anyway

The moon used to have an atmosphere

[timsussex]

Yeah I mean you get icy comets etc, but seems odd it collecting at the pole of a non with no atmosphere... To me anyway

the idea is that they hit everywhere but the moon doesnt have enough gravity to keep an atmosphere so any water 'boiled off' into space whereas at the bottom of crevices hidden from the sun at the pole there MAY still be ice.

Not sure what the chances are but I reckon slim, however finding water would be a game changer so worth the gamble

[PepeMAGA]

the idea is that they hit everywhere but the moon doesnt have enough gravity to keep an atmosphere so any water 'boiled off' into space whereas at the bottom of crevices hidden from the sun at the pole there MAY still be ice.

Not sure what the chances are but I reckon slim, however finding water would be a game changer so worth the gamble

Ah fair enough.

[RadioKid]

Nothing to do with it.

Nobody should need reminding about the rules.

Apologies. I'm aware that this is a key talking point due to the abject poverty across most of India and the controversial nature of many Indian vanity projects, so thought it wass relavent - but I'll stick to any other threads you have recommended. Thanks

[daviemac]

Apologies. I'm aware that this is a key talking point due to the abject poverty across most of India and the controversial nature of many Indian vanity projects, so thought it wass relavent - but I'll stick to any other threads you have recommended. Thanks

You just can't help yourself can you, despite being told that political statements have no place on this thread you have raised new points you want to make.

[bestofthebest]

It is very naive to bring the topic of UK aid (which India never asked for) with space endeavours. Successful space launches increases the profile of ISRO. ISRO has launched 239 foreign satellites of 28 countries so far (as of April 2023). So it knows how to make money too.

[daviemac]

It is very naive to bring the topic of UK aid (which India never asked for) with space endeavours. Successful space launches increases the profile of ISRO. ISRO has launched 239 foreign satellites of 28 countries so far (as of April 2023). So it knows how to make money too.

I would say it's more than naive of you to continue the political theme when a moderator has made it perfectly clear such discussions are only allowed on the dedicated politics thread.

[Roger111]

Well done to all people involved.

[myothernameis]

Well done to all people involved.

Next mission, lets head to the sun 

[mr.bluesky]

Next mission, lets head to the sun 

They already have.
They have launched another rocket on Saturday carrying Aditya-L1 a satellite which will orbit and study the sun. It will be positioned at a distance called lagrange point 1 an area that lies between the earth and the sun where the gravitational pull of both cancell each other out. The main mission function is to observe the Suns upper atmosphere, solar wind particles and the Suns magnetic field.

[Marmalade]

They already have.
They have launched another rocket on Saturday carrying Aditya-L1 a satellite which will orbit and study the sun. It will be positioned at a distance called lagrange point 1 an area that lies between the earth and the sun where the gravitational pull of both cancell each other out. The main mission function is to observe the Suns upper atmosphere, solar wind particles and the Suns magnetic field.

Good luck to them. It sounds pretty technical but it seems like it’s pushing boundaries on several fronts. Big solar flares, one of the things it may help to predict, can cause massive damage on earth. But it’s like tsunami prediction: will governments take appropriate safety measures given the knowledge?

Lagrange points are exploited in science fiction but the maths (on bigger scales) look enticing. The James Webb Telescope uses one as well. Maybe they could be used for space colonisation.
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I love this stuff that pushes the frontiers of knowledge. Cool.