Should moaning about what others pay be treated like talking politics on UKP?

[jamiekinkxxx]

Should moaning about what others pay be treated like talking politics on UKP, i.e. have a similar rule attached to it?

Every day there is someone on the site having a moan about what another has spent on an escort. Is this right? Is this fair? Why should members get beaten up just because they see 'value' differently to someone else?

It is their (the reviewers) own hard earned money and should not have anything to do with anyone else... but this just occurs again and again.

Escorts have every right to charge what they deem fit. Basic economics will determine whether she gets enough work at that rate that she is happy with. So no one is paying over the odds by seeing an escort at her advertised rates.

This whole price argument is just boring and repetitive.

If certain punters think a girl is charging too much it is simple, don't see her, but don't have a go at the guy that did.

If other punters are getting priced out of the market they are used to due to prices going up, then they have some hard decisions to make:

- Stop punting
- Punt less or book shorter bookings
- Spend less on other things to compensate
- Try and earn more
- Drop down to a lower price point
- Wait for a price correction, if one ever happens

What they should 100% be doing is stop moaning about it, own it and stop playing the victim.

[scutty brown]

I'll give you a counter thesis:
Talking up prices and paying over the going rate should be treated as a breach of punter solidarity and result in disciplinary action.
Overpaying forces inflation and overpricing.
Lets treat overpayers as blacklegs.

[jamiekinkxxx]

I'll give you a counter thesis:
Talking up prices and paying over the going rate should be treated as a breach of punter solidarity and result in disciplinary action.
Overpaying forces inflation and overpricing.
Lets treat overpayers as blacklegs.

How is someone over paying if they are paying the advertised rate? Is it for us as punters to set a price cap on what a girl can or cannot charge? Who is this mythical board of experts who make these decisions (and enforce them!)?

Basic economics determine the price not us individually or as some sort of punters union!

[Cheshuk]

I hate this shit. Personally I find the persistent price comments irritating, but real world effect they are actually preventing people from reviewing, and isolating members. I raised the issue with Daviemac

All your solutions seem logical, but I think the troll commenters are posting emotionally, so is lost on them. Unsurprisingly they're consistently able to highlight the problem, but not a viable solution.

Highlighting prices are high in relation to average earnings and how often people want to punt may hold water.. but its just a fact of life and prices will work themselves out whether that's up or down.

This all punters should unanimously stop paying is bullshit, as there's many who don't give a shit and aren't in contact with one another. If people want to moan fine, but don't do it on peoples reviews since it makes people feel targeted.

[Cheshuk]

I'll give you a counter thesis:
Talking up prices and paying over the going rate should be treated as a breach of punter solidarity and result in disciplinary action.
Overpaying forces inflation and overpricing.
Lets treat overpayers as blacklegs.

Your thesis is based on basically saying people can't spend there money as they choose and high earners aren't welcome on ukp

The majority of punters are not on ukp, so what would this achieve? (besides being able to avoid having to hear about experiences people can't/won't have)

[MissWolf]

I'll give you a counter thesis:
Talking up prices and paying over the going rate should be treated as a breach of punter solidarity and result in disciplinary action.
Overpaying forces inflation and overpricing.
Lets treat overpayers as blacklegs.

Honestly Scutty this is codswallop

You may think ukp is the be all and end all of the putting world but there are a larger percentage of punters who have never heard of this site or would never join or use it than are members.

How do you propose to reign in those in and get them to stand in solidarity and not pay higher prices 

[daviemac]

Should moaning about what others pay be treated like talking politics on UKP, i.e. have a similar rule attached to it?

We can't get members to read and abide by the rules we already have never mind brining in censorship of what people can or can't say.

Where would you draw the line on what comments can be made?

FWIW I agree than comments about how much a member pays is out of order, so as with anything else if you see it report it and the mods will have a look.

[jamiekinkxxx]

We can't get members to read and abide by the rules we already have never mind brining in censorship of what people can or can't say.

Where would you draw the line on what comments can be made?

FWIW I agree than comments about how much a member pays is out of order, so as with anything else if you see it report it and the mods will have a look.

True very hard balance. It needs to be a a slow / long educational process I guess, but it totally does it do my nut in, esp when forum helpers are now at it too  Noted re reporting the post(s). 

I am not even a big spender compared to some of the gents on here and it annoys me, so god knows what it does to them?  As Cheshuk said, probably means they just hardly ever review.... hounded out for spending their own hard earned money how they see fit.

[scutty brown]

Honestly Scutty this is codswallop

You may think ukp is the be all and end all of the putting world but there are a larger percentage of punters who have never heard of this site or would never join or use it than are members.

How do you propose to reign in those in and get them to stand in solidarity and not pay higher prices 

Of course it's codswallop
I was just trying to show the stupidity of the original post by giving an equally nonsense riposte as an equally valid alternative view.
To be honest I expected you to be someone who'd spot that....maybe I was too convincing

[Cheshuk]

Of course it's codswallop
I was just trying to show the stupidity of the original post by giving an equally nonsense riposte as an equally valid alternative view.
To be honest I expected you to be someone who'd spot that....maybe I was too convincing

We may be reading the original post differently, I understand it as Jamie is talking about individual members being singled out for their spending (especially on their reviews) not discussions of general punters spending

[jamiekinkxxx]

Of course it's codswallop
I was just trying to show the stupidity of the original post by giving an equally nonsense riposte as an equally valid alternative view.
To be honest I expected you to be someone who'd spot that....maybe I was too convincing

I am just trying to stop the price moaners.

Don't care how it is done TBH.... as Tony Blair said maybe? education, education, education.

Daviemac made valid points on where do you draw the line? BUT I don't think the general premise of the post is stupid in that the moaners need to stop moaning and being victims of things that are:

a) out of their control
or
b) have nowt to do with them.

[jamiekinkxxx]

We may be reading the original post differently, I understand it as Jamie is talking about individual members being singled out for their spending (especially on their reviews) not discussions of general punters spending

Most certainly on individuals getting vilified for spending £x

But also the whole, "punting is so expensive (brigade) compared to way back when" is also boring and repetitive IMHO, I mean what can we actually do about that... supply and demand sets the price not us as individuals.

[daviemac]

True very hard balance. It needs to be a a slow / long educational process I guess, but it totally does it do my nut in, esp when forum helpers are now at it too  Noted re reporting the post(s). 

I am not even a big spender compared to some of the gents on here and it annoys me, so god knows what it does to them?  As Cheshuk said, probably means they just hardly ever review.... hounded out for spending their own hard earned money how they see fit.

Let's get one thing straight, we are not going to censor what people can post, we are not going to stop members saying that the price an escort charges is, in their opinion, too high, that is freedom of speech. 

What isn't acceptable are derogatory comments directed at someone who has willingly paid the advertised price.

[jamiekinkxxx]

Let's get one thing straight, we are not going to censor what people can post, we are not going to stop members saying that the price an escort charges is, in their opinion, too high, that is freedom of speech. 

What isn't acceptable are derogatory comments directed at someone who has willingly paid the advertised price.

That's fine. I agree re freedom of speech said in the correct way that doesn't vilify someone else.

[MissWolf]

Of course it's codswallop
I was just trying to show the stupidity of the original post by giving an equally nonsense riposte as an equally valid alternative view.
To be honest I expected you to be someone who'd spot that....maybe I was too convincing

Far too convincing 

Tbf I'm a bit dosed up on morphine atm so not at the top of my game 

[scutty brown]

Far too convincing 

Tbf I'm a bit dosed up on morphine atm so not at the top of my game 

yeah I remember that effect........when I  had my appendix out
the borders between waking and dreaming became very difficult to discern

[Doc Holliday]

yeah I remember that effect........when I  had my appendix out
the borders between waking and dreaming became very difficult to discern

I'm not on Morphine and it went over my head too 

[MissWolf]

I'm not on Morphine and it went over my head too 

 

[willie loman]

i dont really think that those who pay over the odds change the market, they are a minority, most punters especially those who punt often, tend to pay sensible prices, i was struck years ago by the fact that the  late duke of westminster, never threw his money about , and he was a serious punter, by and large girls hope for a big win, but accept the market rate meantime.

[Kelgon85]

There is a lot of deriding and belittling going on in regards to what people are paying, and it does put some off (like me before) writing reviews because you know you're going to get hounded.

[Jonestown]

UkPunting Platinum, A Safe Space for High Rollers, could be a money spinner

[billybobsmith]

There is a lot of deriding and belittling going on in regards to what people are paying, and it does put some off (like me before) writing reviews because you know you're going to get hounded.

Just ignore people.  Practically no-one here knows who anyone else is - just a load of randoms on the internet who can be switched off any time.

SA for me is an example where a lot of women might be getting / have gotten / want say £300-£400 for a meet and won't budge on that.  Possibly they drop off the site if they're not getting what they want rather than lower themselves to accept a paltry £200.

[chadpitt]

Should moaning about what others pay be treated like talking politics on UKP, i.e. have a similar rule attached to it?

Every day there is someone on the site having a moan about what another has spent on an escort. Is this right? Is this fair? Why should members get beaten up just because they see 'value' differently to someone else?

It is their (the reviewers) own hard earned money and should not have anything to do with anyone else... but this just occurs again and again.

Escorts have every right to charge what they deem fit. Basic economics will determine whether she gets enough work at that rate that she is happy with. So no one is paying over the odds by seeing an escort at her advertised rates.

This whole price argument is just boring and repetitive.

If certain punters think a girl is charging too much it is simple, don't see her, but don't have a go at the guy that did.

If other punters are getting priced out of the market they are used to due to prices going up, then they have some hard decisions to make:

- Stop punting
- Punt less or book shorter bookings
- Spend less on other things to compensate
- Try and earn more
- Drop down to a lower price point
- Wait for a price correction, if one ever happens

What they should 100% be doing is stop moaning about it, own it and stop playing the victim.

What a ridiculous out-of-touch thread to make.

WGs prices have are outstripped inflation and at a time when there's a cost of living crisis, this couldn't be felt more acutely.

If you post a review you will be critiqued. All you can do is defend your decisions, not demand special treatment for your sensistive feelings.

Pretending that when punters give in to higher prices doesn't hurt other punters is ridiculous because that only reinforced those price points.

Then there's the tone-deaf absurd unhelpful comments such as "stop punting", "earn more". How is this practical advice?

People will keep posting about prices because it is an issue and you can't pretend otherwise.

[sensualencounter]

What a ridiculous out-of-touch thread to make.

WGs prices have are outstripped inflation and at a time when there's a cost of living crisis, this couldn't be felt more acutely.

If you post a review you will be critiqued. All you can do is defend your decisions, not demand special treatment for your sensistive feelings.

Pretending that when punters give in to higher prices doesn't hurt other punters is ridiculous because that only reinforced those price points.

Then there's the tone-deaf absurd unhelpful comments such as "stop punting", "earn more". How is this practical advice?

People will keep posting about prices because it is an issue and you can't pretend otherwise.

Should have know you’d appear 

Whilst I appreciate that opinions are like arseholes - we all have one - and people are entitled to voice theirs along the lines of “I wouldn’t pay that much / I don’t think she’s worth it” the absolute bollocks you and a few others spout about paying higher prices ruins it for others is exactly that.

And quite simply, if you can’t afford to punt, then it really is tough. It’s not a human right to have sex ffs.

[chadpitt]

Should have know you’d appear 

Whilst I appreciate that opinions are like arseholes - we all have one - and people are entitled to voice theirs along the lines of “I wouldn’t pay that much / I don’t think she’s worth it” the absolute bollocks you and a few others spout about paying higher prices ruins it for others is exactly that.

And quite simply, if you can’t afford to punt, then it really is tough. It’s not a human right to have sex ffs.

And here comes the voice of no reason.

Higher prices ruins it for punters, not people complaining about higher prices. One is reaction to the other.

Again the useless advice of "can't afford it, then quit" is helpful to no one. Not even as original as suggesting to stick to porn.

[puntingking]

Should moaning about what others pay be treated like talking politics on UKP, i.e. have a similar rule attached to it?

Every day there is someone on the site having a moan about what another has spent on an escort. Is this right? Is this fair? Why should members get beaten up just because they see 'value' differently to someone else?

It is their (the reviewers) own hard earned money and should not have anything to do with anyone else... but this just occurs again and again.

Escorts have every right to charge what they deem fit. Basic economics will determine whether she gets enough work at that rate that she is happy with. So no one is paying over the odds by seeing an escort at her advertised rates.

This whole price argument is just boring and repetitive.

If certain punters think a girl is charging too much it is simple, don't see her, but don't have a go at the guy that did.

If other punters are getting priced out of the market they are used to due to prices going up, then they have some hard decisions to make:

- Stop punting
- Punt less or book shorter bookings
- Spend less on other things to compensate
- Try and earn more
- Drop down to a lower price point
- Wait for a price correction, if one ever happens

What they should 100% be doing is stop moaning about it, own it and stop playing the victim.

I don't see how you can compare politics to punting prices.

Politics is not punting related but someone who is speaking against what one pays is classed as an opinion on the punting subject. This is a punting forum.

Is like going to a political forum and having the moderators of those forums banning the members talking about tax charges. 

[puntingking]

Should moaning about what others pay be treated like talking politics on UKP, i.e. have a similar rule attached to it?

Every day there is someone on the site having a moan about what another has spent on an escort. Is this right? Is this fair? Why should members get beaten up just because they see 'value' differently to someone else?

It is their (the reviewers) own hard earned money and should not have anything to do with anyone else... but this just occurs again and again.

Escorts have every right to charge what they deem fit. Basic economics will determine whether she gets enough work at that rate that she is happy with. So no one is paying over the odds by seeing an escort at her advertised rates.

This whole price argument is just boring and repetitive.

If certain punters think a girl is charging too much it is simple, don't see her, but don't have a go at the guy that did.

If other punters are getting priced out of the market they are used to due to prices going up, then they have some hard decisions to make:

- Stop punting
- Punt less or book shorter bookings
- Spend less on other things to compensate
- Try and earn more
- Drop down to a lower price point
- Wait for a price correction, if one ever happens

What they should 100% be doing is stop moaning about it, own it and stop playing the victim.

Maybe because if they didn't pay those high prices then the price would decrease making it fair for wgs and more punters.

[sensualencounter]

And here comes the voice of no reason.

Higher prices ruins it for punters, not people complaining about higher prices. One is reaction to the other.

Again the useless advice of "can't afford it, then quit" is helpful to no one. Not even as original as suggesting to stick to porn.

No one wants to pay higher prices for anything. But moaning about it doesn’t change anything.

As for “can’t afford it, then quit”, then you don’t seem to find it useful as you won’t take notice of it. You really are so entitled that you expect sex at a price that you are willing to pay. It doesn’t work like that. It’s not a fundamental human right, it’s a pure luxury. So exactly what’s been said before - if you can’t afford it, then quit.

[MissWolf]

Maybe because if they didn't pay those high prices then the price would decrease making it fair for wgs and more punters.

But it won't have that effect though will it because UKP members don't form 100% of the punting client base, they probably form less than 10% in reality so this boycott the higher price girls and the price will come down is bollocks.

Not everyone shops in Harrods food hall because they can't afford to but lots of people do because they can, should we picket the doors so they don't shop there and change to Aldi, do you think Harrods will drop their prices if we do? 

[southcoastpunter]

Maybe because if they didn't pay those high prices then the price would decrease making it fair for wgs and more punters.

who the hell is "they"? and who determines what is a "high price" ?

i'll  tell you one thing - noone on here is going to tell me what i should or shouldn't pay and frankly if, in your opinion, it messes things up for you, i couldn't care less. tough shit.

Now that is the sort of reaction and conversation that moaning about prices and trying to tell others not to pay something will get!!

[chadpitt]

But it won't have that effect though will it because UKP members don't form 100% of the punting client base, they probably form less than 10% in reality so this boycott the higher price girls and the price will come down is bollocks.

Not everyone shops in Harrods food hall because they can't afford to but lots of people do because they can, should we picket the doors so they don't shop there and change to Aldi, do you think Harrods will drop their prices if we do? 

Yeah not every WG is Harrods though.

[tynetunnel]

No one wants to pay higher prices for anything. But moaning about it doesn’t change anything.

Exactly. I’ve got sick to death of everyone being on the news moaning about how the price of food/petrol/electric/gas/fags/mortgages/everything has gone up. All “woe is me” - as if they are in a minority. Well here’s the real news, it affects us all! Moaning doesn’t change anything! Just makes people depressed.

[gbyld87]

Maybe because if they didn't pay those high prices then the price would decrease making it fair for wgs and more punters.

I suspect the majority of money girls make never passes through the hands of members here.  We can all complain forever more about how expensive the girl we'd like to fuck has become, but honestly I doubt market forces actually rank that highly as motivators for many wg's pricing strategies.

[MissWolf]

 

Yeah not every WG is Harrods though.

Exactly 

[puntingking]

[

- Stop punting
- Punt less or book shorter bookings
- Spend less on other things to compensate
- Try and earn more
- Drop down to a lower price point
- Wait for a price correction, if one ever happens

What they should 100% be doing is stop moaning about it, own it and stop playing the victim.

You wouldn't say to someone who looking to buy a house to "stop searching" if they can't afford to get on the property ladder. 
Also,  if landlords was buying property and that makes the house market impossible for people to compete then you would not like that.

Maybe the punters who paying £400 a hour on a regular basis are the enemy to majority of punters who can't compete with them.

Sometimes you have to take one for the team and refuse to pay over a certain point to keep prices down abit. 

[sensualencounter]

who the hell is "they"? and who determines what is a "high price" ?

i'll  tell you one thing - noone on here is going to tell me what i should or shouldn't pay and frankly if, in your opinion, it messes things up for you, i couldn't care less. tough shit.

Now that is the sort of reaction and conversation that moaning about prices and trying to tedll others not to pay something will get!!

Very well said! Couldn’t have put it better myself. These fuckwits somehow seem to think that I shouldn’t do what I want to do because it goes against what they want to do. It’s hardly like I’m denying them food or water with my actions. It’s a paid fuck, nice but not exactly fundamental to life. And that’s if you even want to subscribe to their bullshit economics.

[gbyld87]

Yeah not every WG is Harrods though.

Not every WG prices themselves like that, either.  I do think there's a general propensity for punters to gradually increase their expectations through a series of good and bad experiences until their tastes and requirements for a 'good punt' end up costing them more to get the same high a 40 quid rattle would have done a few years ago.

[puntingking]

Yeah not every WG is Harrods though.

Some wgs are primark 

[southcoastpunter]

Sometimes you have to take one for the team and refuse to pay over a certain point to keep prices down abit. 

no you don't. there is no team here - we don't know one another from Adam. what we do, we do it for ourselves. We share information and experiences but that is it. (and very valuable it is too)

[gbyld87]

And here comes the voice of no reason.

Higher prices ruins it for punters, not people complaining about higher prices. One is reaction to the other.

Again the useless advice of "can't afford it, then quit" is helpful to no one. Not even as original as suggesting to stick to porn.

What's your non-useless advice?

[Steely Dan]

I have no problem with anyone that pays, say, £400 per hour and has a great time and reviews.  And if escorts want to charge that, great for them. But I do worry that new punters might think that £400/hr is required to have a good punt, or that £400/hour means that a good punt is highly probable. So we need to be able to comment on the price paid for a punt.

The consensus on the site is that there is a vanishingly small correlation between great punts and price paid (above a minimum that depends on region).  Does the OP think I should not be able to say this to help out new punters?  Criticising an action (e.g. 'you could have had better for less') is not the same as criticising a person.  I am never in agreement with the latter.  But please don't suggest we shut down the former.

Also, anyone who has been here a while knows that new members do not read the history - which is understandable of course.  (We know this, since they keep asking the same old things!) .  So you may find it repetitive when some one says 'you could have had better for less', but it is the nature of a forum that we need to repeat things sometimes.
 

[Malvolio]

Not much chance of stopping moaning on any internet forum, let alone this one.

[jamiekinkxxx]

Maybe because if they didn't pay those high prices then the price would decrease making it fair for wgs and more punters.

What is a high price then PK? What are you going to set the price at that no escort can charge more for or a punter pay less than?

[Stevelondon]

no you don't. there is no team here - we don't know one another from Adam. what we do, we do it for ourselves. We share information and experiences but that is it. (and very valuable it is too)

Oh so true.

This idea that we (this imaginary group of mates) should all stick together and NOT pay higher prices is absurd. Is the idea by not forking out….. the price will drop.
My mate still smokes at £11 a packet and the price of tabs is ridiculous. Why does he still buy them if he thinks they are too expensive. Idiot. 
I hear blokes in pubs chatting shit about not drinking in this place anymore cos the beers too expensive. Go brew your own then and sit in your garden 

If an SP has a business model and it works. She will stick by it. Or should do. Just makes sense. If she is expensive so what. Those who want to see her….. will. Those who say she charges too much…… won’t.
Simple.

[jamiekinkxxx]

Yeah not every WG is Harrods though.

Exactly ChadPitt so you keep to the local food bank and leave us that may want to shop at Waitrose are right to do without get villified for doing so

[hendrix]

Would be very funny if my clients tried to dictate my prices - pay my day rate or fuck off elsewhere

Like any other business really.

[Stevelondon]

Exactly ChadPitt so you keep to the local food bank and leave us that may want to shop at Waitrose are right to do without get villified for doing so

Excuse me. I used the Waitrose analogy in an other thread so it’s mine. Go find your own supermarket 

[jamiekinkxxx]

You wouldn't say to someone who looking to buy a house to "stop searching" if they can't afford to get on the property ladder. 
Also,  if landlords was buying property and that makes the house market impossible for people to compete then you would not like that.

Maybe the punters who paying £400 a hour on a regular basis are the enemy to majority of punters who can't compete with them.

Sometimes you have to take one for the team and refuse to pay over a certain point to keep prices down abit. 

No I would say sabe more towards the deposit or buy a cheaper fucking house 

And why would I take one for the team and not sde an escort I really wanted to... it make zero difference to her price if I do so.

You guys just DO NOT GET THE BASICS

[chadpitt]

What's your non-useless advice?

Don't give in to higher prices. Go on punting holidays.

[chadpitt]

Exactly ChadPitt so you keep to the local food bank and leave us that may want to shop at Waitrose are right to do without get villified for doing so

What a gouache attitude. You're delusionaly trying to argue that you're getting value by paying excess. Well guess what? Taste the difference, own brand tastes comporable to brands.

So you are paying over the odds and not being clever about anything.