Verity Vixen - kicked me out of the hotel room in Knightsbridge

[ampithestud1]

Ohhhhh this is getting interesting *grabs popcorn*

If there’s some proof that those quoted texts are from the OP then I would sympathise that is a fair reason to not see him again because that seemed dodgy as hell, almost like you’re being watched from a distance. A voyeur.

However there’s still not definite evidence to say any of the above happened.

Would be interested to see the texts from both sides to see if they match up or something across those lines to show who’s lying.

OP has responded to Verity's post and hasn't denied sending the texts, so perhaps he did send them?

That, if true, along with what she alleges his demeanour was (no eye contact / no looking at her face and with music blaring from headphones) can be very off putting. IMHO, enough to not want to carry on with the meet.

[LLPunting]

The OP wasn't paying over the odds, he was going to pay her advertised rates (and she is allowed to choose what she wants to work for... some girls charge £75ph... other charge £1000s ph).... sure he could go and see another cheaper escort, may or may not get the same level of service. BUT he wanted to see this particular escort and was happy to pay her rates. It didn't work out sadly but that is a different matter.

Same applies to all (well most... train drivers not sure, some may get more due to experience I guess?) of the other products or services you list above.

This whole ££££ argument is just stupid. Why should anyone get beaten up just because they want to spend £x and feel that is VFM? It is their money and how they spend it is up to them. £100 to me may not be anything, Tuesday evenings out. That maybe alot to someone else and not even short change to another.

Every SP is entitled to charge what she likes.

Every SS is entitled to consider that offer and possibly say "Fuck no!  That's too expensive for what he believes she's offering".
Every SS here is entitled to voice his opinion about the offer without harassing the person who chose to book the SP (or try to in this case).  No different to petrolheads trash talking each other about different marques or electric cars and their love or hate for them, however justified.

My bad about my "Paying over the odds" statement, I should have clarified that I am commenting in general about behaviour in the market not necessarily this SP and SS.

[LLPunting]

There are two sides to every story, and here is my version of the events that took place - the "whore's" side of the story.

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Thanks Verity for speaking up.  Given Bluegene claims to have not booked you before could you be mistaken?  Did he state that he had not met you before when you rejected him upon meeting?  Did you perhaps have any other working names in the past that he might have booked you under?  How long ago was this bad encounter, long enough that you've changed and he doesn't genuinely recognise you?
If you are convinced that he has wronged you before and indeed misrepresented this encounter then contact UKP management for resolution.  Of course he will presumably get to defend his case too.

I appreciate that every SP has to deal with all manner of timewasters, but asking what you're wearing because he's about to pay you 300 quid for a dalliance is hardly excessive.  I've had similarly curious and flirtatious banter with SPs before without being condemned and indeed occasionally teased with photos. 
Similarly being a few mins late and trying to keep you apprised could well seem timewastery but could also be him being as considerate as he could given what might have actually been happening to him.  And considering the ghosting, delaying and other poor treatment us punters have to put up with from SPs in general, it's all a bit of a vicious cycle when people act precipitously on presumption rather than allow the person a chance to make good on arrival.  You had no other clashing bookings so a few mins delay and patience is hardly causing serious problems for anyone and might be all that's required to ensure you get paid a lot of money.   

Anyway, please do take up the issue further with UKP management if you feel strongly about the accounting of these events.  Bluegene please also feel free to do likewise.  Further open debate here on the thread is probably best avoided.

[Ivor Hunch]

Paying over the odds fucks up the market, it's what's given us our fucked up economies; houses, food, cars, pussy, collectibles, festivals, footballers, train drivers...

if people are prepared to pay it, it is indicative of the market rate- the market rate is what the willing buyer is prepared to pay  and what the willing seller is prepared to accept.

[One for the road]

All very strange.
Couple of points.
He said he knew she had entered the hotel 45 minutes earlier as she had booked via Dayuse.

How did he know this?
Was he watching her from outside the hotel?

Not sure how Dayuse works, but surely he would not be able to access her Dayuse account?

Also he states she had a trimmed bush again how would he know this having only been in the room for a minute.

[bluegene]

All very strange.
Couple of points.
He said he knew she had entered the hotel 45 minutes earlier as she had booked via Dayuse.

How did he know this?
Was he watching her from outside the hotel?

Not sure how Dayuse works, but surely he would not be able to access her Dayuse account?

Also he states she had a trimmed bush again how would he know this having only been in the room for a minute.

She told me what time she was checking in.

Regarding the bush, is on her profile and she was wearing a blue body lingerie.

[One for the road]

I think you just have to accept she did not want to see you, its up to the escort in the end.
No different to a punter changing his mind when first seeing an escort in her accommodation.
Just move on.

[daviemac]

I am giving my opinion, just as you are entitled to yours.

It is added evidence IMO that some of these SP are far far to expensive/ over priced. This SP is older and providing a vanilla service, again more evidence in this case towards my opinon she is over priced. Im perfectly entitled to state my opinion and views and in this case just underline things with hotel pricing, some gents are not aware how cheap accomodation is, even in Knightsbridge!

 

I'm not sure what you are trying to get at, what has what an SP pays for her accommodation got to do with anything?   

[Bond]

Looks like the OP (most likely inadvertently) made the SP feel uncomfortable, who in turn was well within her rights to cancel the booking.

In my humble opinion this should no longer be considered as a review.

[daviemac]

Looks like the OP (most likely inadvertently) made the SP feel uncomfortable, who in turn was well within her rights to cancel the booking.

In my humble opinion this should no longer be considered as a review.

You are free to consider it as whatever you like, you are not free to tell others how they should consider it.

A booking was agreed so a review can be left.

I notice it's been 3+ years since your last review and another 2 years to the one before that, any reason for the lack of contributions? 

[bluegene]

Looks like the OP (most likely inadvertently) made the SP feel uncomfortable, who in turn was well within her rights to cancel the booking.

In my humble opinion this should no longer be considered as a review.

The punter suffered from mistaken identification from the SP and was turned back at the door.

All else is speculation. As I maintained from the start.

[tynetunnel]

Verity, we never met before last week.

You’ve had the opportunity to address the other red flag points that the escort has listed in her post, and have chosen to ignore them. Which speaks quite loudly to me. You set the alarm bells ringing for her, and she called it and took the financial hit. I’d listen and learn from her post if I were you mate. 

[Atrueyorkie]

You’ve had the opportunity to address the other red flag points that the escort has listed in her post, and have chosen to ignore them. Which speaks quite loudly to me. You set the alarm bells ringing for her, and she called it and took the financial hit. I’d listen and learn from her post if I were you mate. 

It seems you’ve clearly taken a side. How’d you not know he hasn’t spoken to a mod via PM and provided evidence it’s mistaken identity?

Both sides have now given their side. However it’s all speculation until text messages are shown.

[daviemac]

How’d you not know he hasn’t spoken to a mod via PM and provided evidence it’s mistaken identity?

Because a mod would have posted on the thread confirming they had seen evidence without going into detail of what the evidence contained.

[Atrueyorkie]

Because a mod would have posted on the thread confirming they had seen evidence without going into detail of what the evidence contained.

Yes.

Because the general consensus is that mods are trusted and the most important impartial.

Otherwise it’s a continuous cycle with no end

[LLPunting]

Because a mod would have posted on the thread confirming they had seen evidence without going into detail of what the evidence contained.

Would a mod confirm an investigation is underway?  Presumably not.

@TyneT - The absence of any statement though does not lend credence to your presumption of OP's guilt.  Verity has logged on here today (indeed indicated as online in the last 30 mins) and also chosen not to respond to other questions so far.
BTW stating that a punter lives near the meeting place is indiscrete and is pretty much immaterial to lateness in this instance.

[daviemac]

Would a mod confirm an investigation is underway?  Presumably not.

I would as it puts a stop to speculation, then I would post that I'd seen evidence that xyz was true, I've done it before.

[LLPunting]

I would as it puts a stop to speculation, then I would post that I'd seen evidence that xyz was true, I've done it before.

 

[sensualencounter]

Would a mod confirm an investigation is underway?  Presumably not.

@TyneT - The absence of any statement though does not lend credence to your presumption of OP's guilt.  Verity has logged on here today (indeed indicated as online in the last 30 mins) and also chosen not to respond to other questions so far.
BTW stating that a punter lives near the meeting place is indiscrete and is pretty much immaterial to lateness in this instance.

By “other questions” the only ones I can see is in your long diatribe where you try and negate every single point she’s made. And then you end it by saying “Further open debate here on the thread is probably best avoided”. So you want her to answer you but not really?

I’ve often thought you sail very close to being a wannabe mod and this feels like another time.

Thanks Verity for speaking up.  Given Bluegene claims to have not booked you before could you be mistaken?  Did he state that he had not met you before when you rejected him upon meeting?  Did you perhaps have any other working names in the past that he might have booked you under?  How long ago was this bad encounter, long enough that you've changed and he doesn't genuinely recognise you?
If you are convinced that he has wronged you before and indeed misrepresented this encounter then contact UKP management for resolution.  Of course he will presumably get to defend his case too.

I appreciate that every SP has to deal with all manner of timewasters, but asking what you're wearing because he's about to pay you 300 quid for a dalliance is hardly excessive.  I've had similarly curious and flirtatious banter with SPs before without being condemned and indeed occasionally teased with photos. 
Similarly being a few mins late and trying to keep you apprised could well seem timewastery but could also be him being as considerate as he could given what might have actually been happening to him.  And considering the ghosting, delaying and other poor treatment us punters have to put up with from SPs in general, it's all a bit of a vicious cycle when people act precipitously on presumption rather than allow the person a chance to make good on arrival.  You had no other clashing bookings so a few mins delay and patience is hardly causing serious problems for anyone and might be all that's required to ensure you get paid a lot of money.   

Anyway, please do take up the issue further with UKP management if you feel strongly about the accounting of these events.  Bluegene please also feel free to do likewise.  Further open debate here on the thread is probably best avoided.

[LLPunting]

By “other questions” the only ones I can see is in your long diatribe where you try and negate every single point she’s made. And then you end it by saying “Further open debate here on the thread is probably best avoided”. So you want her to answer you but not really?

I’ve often thought you sail very close to being a wannabe mod and this feels like another time.

<Sigh>  Your agenda is about as tedious as you find my posts.  Diatribe?  Nope, go back to the dictionary.  Negating every point?  Nope, but asking if she's mistaken.  Who's really trying to be the mod here, me or you trying to censor me?

[sensualencounter]

<Sigh>  Your agenda is about as tedious as you find my posts.  Diatribe?  Nope, go back to the dictionary.  Negating every point?  Nope, but asking if she's mistaken.  Who's really trying to be the mod here, me or you trying to censor me?

I don’t have an agenda but I’ll call out shit where I see it. Sorry if you find that tedious.

I know what diatribe means, else I wouldn’t have used it. Your post was obviously trying to discredit her in a passive aggressive manner. And I have no intention nor the ability to censor you. But demanding she answer you like some supreme judge after having already previously tried to make her out as an idiot and also advising her to not say anything else is a bit weird.

[bluegene]

We are going so off topic we might as well figuring out when we’ll landing on Mars.

I made the report, Verity made her comments. We are both adults and made choices. No one got hurt.

Let’s leave it at that and not start arguing with each other.

[Rayray23k]

OP did you by any chance say "yabba dabba doooo!" when you was with her?

[Bat]

We are going so off topic we might as well figuring out when we’ll landing on Mars.

I made the report, Verity made her comments. We are both adults and made choices. No one got hurt.

Let’s leave it at that and not start arguing with each other.

You don’t seem to have a lot of luck at the moment

A whole string of negatives for SPs that agreed booking but were in communication with you and all pulled out of actually meeting.

[bluegene]

 

OP did you by any chance say "yabba dabba doooo!" when you was with her?

 

[bluegene]

You don’t seem to have a lot of luck at the moment

A whole string of negatives for SPs that agreed booking but were in communication with you and all pulled out of actually meeting.

6 no shows out of 20 lastest reviews

But most of them were recent profiles and had no feedback so I knew what I was getting myself into, hence I had back-up for all of them. Interestingly most of those SP are no longer on AW.

[Bat]

6 no shows out of 20 lastest reviews

But most of them were recent profiles and had no feedback so I knew what I was getting myself into, hence I had back-up for all of them. Interestingly most of those SP are no longer on AW.

I did have a quick look at the no-shows as I wanted to flag them for myself as something to watch out for. I found 4 of the profiles were still active.

[bluegene]

only 2 logged-in recently, the others haven't logged in 1-2 months.

[LLPunting]

I don’t have an agenda but I’ll call out shit where I see it. Sorry if you find that tedious.

I know what diatribe means, else I wouldn’t have used it. Your post was obviously trying to discredit her in a passive aggressive manner. And I have no intention nor the ability to censor you. But demanding she answer you like some supreme judge after having already previously tried to make her out as an idiot and also advising her to not say anything else is a bit weird.

Where did I demand anything of her?  Discredit her?  I encouraged her to engage with UKP management for proper resolution so the thread wouldn't descend into a he said she said slanging match.  Formal process could well have resulted in OP being disciplined or even ejected if proved to be lying or worse.  Where's the prejudice in that?

Reading comprehension really isn't your strong suit.  So try again with looking up diatribe.

[Jonestown]

The post higher up is Verity's first in five years, wonder how she knew she was the subject of discussion now.

[jamiekinkxxx]

The post higher up is Verity's first in five years, wonder how she knew she was the subject of discussion now.

Someone (regular  ) would have reached out to her for sure.

[bluegene]

Someone (regular  ) would have reached out to her for sure.

She has a username here so chances are she checks the forums frequently.

[Bond]

You are free to consider it as whatever you like, you are not free to tell others how they should consider it.

A booking was agreed so a review can be left.

I notice it's been 3+ years since your last review and another 2 years to the one before that, any reason for the lack of contributions? 

I'm punting less frequently than I used to do previously, and, such is the dearth of new talent in London during these last couple of years, I'm sticking to tried and trusted regulars, all of whom I've already reviewed before.

[bluegene]

I'm punting less frequently than I used to do previously, and, such is the dearth of new talent in London during these last couple of years, I'm sticking to tried and trusted regulars, all of whom I've already reviewed before.

to be fair I don't tend to review an escort I've already meet before unless the service standard goes down.

[Bat]

to be fair I don't tend to review an escort I've already meet before unless the service standard goes down.

What if it goes up?

[pepsicolaboy]

What if it goes up?

One hopes it does during a booking, otherwise the little blue pill comes in handy 

[punter7352]

There are two sides to every story, and here is my version of the events that took place - the "whore's" side of the story.
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All the best,
Verity Vixen (previously known as Blonde Verity and Meg from Maxes Angels)
xxx

Whatever happened between them that is a classy response. AW hotlist for me I think.

[Bat]

Whatever happened between them that is a classy response. AW hotlist for me I think.

Exactly my response as well!

[Jonestown]

This OP has been a member for 7 years and posted 168 reviews, I think you guys should cut him some slack.

[Link7]

Whatever happened between them that is a classy response. AW hotlist for me I think.

I'm less easily impressed. Isn't the issue that this response wasn't sent in private when the OP reasonably asked what went wrong (which might well have averted the negative review being posted in the first place)?

Even assuming for the sake of argument that OP did behave weirdly and/or upset the SP on a previous meet (though, perhaps unfairly, she doesn't say what he did?), he was evidently unaware that she'd taken offence. Why not simply let him know - "btw, x, y and z was not ok and I'm not happy to see you again"?

The risk for the SP now is that it seems slightly like playing to the gallery (or worse, hanging the OP out to dry) to highlight his perceived faults in public but not in private.

[LLPunting]

I'm less easily impressed. Isn't the issue that this response wasn't sent in private when the OP reasonably asked what...

This is why any dispute should be referred to Mods who will seek evidence in private and publish a considered outcome

[Bat]

Even assuming for the sake of argument that OP did behave weirdly and/or upset the SP on a previous meet (though, perhaps unfairly, she doesn't say what he did?), he was evidently unaware that she'd taken offence. Why not simply let him know - "btw, x, y and z was not ok and I'm not happy to see you again"?

Equally, for the sake of argument, who’s to say that the OP didn’t know what he’d done to offend the SP. None of us can know whether his interpretation of events was any more accurate than the SPs. It could just as easily a case of him trying to pull the wool over the SPs eyes by making out he hadn’t seen her before but she recognised him as soon as he walked in the room.

I’m not saying this is what happened, simply because the only people who know for certain are the OP and the SP but it’s just as possible as any other random hypothesis.

[bluegene]

Equally, for the sake of argument, who’s to say that the OP didn’t know what he’d done to offend the SP. None of us can know whether his interpretation of events was any more accurate than the SPs. It could just as easily a case of him trying to pull the wool over the SPs eyes by making out he hadn’t seen her before but she recognised him as soon as he walked in the room.

I’m not saying this is what happened, simply because the only people who know for certain are the OP and the SP but it’s just as possible as any other random hypothesis.

I’m wondering if you missed the post where I replied to Verity that we never met.

Check my reviews here as well.

I’m certain that she mistaken me for someone else.

[Bat]

I’m wondering if you missed the post where I replied to Verity that we never met.

Check my reviews here as well.

I’m certain that she mistaken me for someone else.

I wasn’t directly questioning you. Simply countering another post.

The only people who know what happened, and any reasons why, are you and the SP.

[Link7]

Equally, for the sake of argument, who’s to say that the OP didn’t know what he’d done to offend the SP. None of us can know whether his interpretation of events was any more accurate than the SPs. It could just as easily a case of him trying to pull the wool over the SPs eyes by making out he hadn’t seen her before but she recognised him as soon as he walked in the room.

I’m not saying this is what happened, simply because the only people who know for certain are the OP and the SP but it’s just as possible as any other random hypothesis.

This doesn't address the point I'm making at all, which is that irrespective of whether the OP was in the wrong, the SP failed to explain, in private, why she wasn't prepared to see him again and what he had supposedly done previously that was so unacceptable (she should state it - it is not a fair assumption to argue that OP must already know, given he left the room peacefully and followed up to ask in writing). Unfortunately for the SP, finding her voice only now that everyone is watching may undermine the reliability of what she is saying.

[Bat]

This doesn't address the point I'm making at all, which is that irrespective of whether the OP was in the wrong, the SP failed to explain, in private, why she wasn't prepared to see him again and what he had supposedly done previously that was so unacceptable (she should state it - it is not a fair assumption to argue that OP must already know, given he left the room peacefully and followed up to ask in writing). Unfortunately for the SP, finding her voice only now that everyone is watching may undermine the reliability of what she is saying.

I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree. This is not at all my interpretation of events but we’re just going round in circles now.

[rover_100]

Depending on the nature of "the issue", not getting in touch might be completely reasonable. Might not.

Again, all of this comes with a load of disclaimers because only the two parties know the facts, and only dialog between the two parties will resolve this and it seems like this won't happen given the time passed.

[Ron89]

Shit happens get a grip OP. This psycho analysis is dumb af, people won’t like your demeanour from time to time, have a plan B and move on.

[bluegene]

Depending on the nature of "the issue", not getting in touch might be completely reasonable. Might not.

Again, all of this comes with a load of disclaimers because only the two parties know the facts, and only dialog between the two parties will resolve this and it seems like this won't happen given the time passed.

I'm open to dialogue. If she wants to sort it out she know how to reach me.

[rover_100]

I'm open to dialogue. If she wants to sort it out she know how to reach me.

Not singling anyone out or pointing fingers, this doesn't have to get resolved. But if you both decided to go down this route I would strongly suggest its done with the mod team mediating, and not to get in touch directly.