Where have they all gone? Is it OnlyFans fault?

[timelord]

Its a sad state of affairs that alongside almost every other sector of the economy finding decent british workers has got increasingly challenging in the punting community.

Can merely dream of the halcyon days of the 90's/00s when so many great looking british SPs were available to choose from. Those days will never return but in the last few years the last vestiges of a domestic market seems to be drying up entirely. Its completely ridiculous that british service providers seem to be rare has hens teeth now on AW is it crap like onlyfans and other social media to blame giving access to alternate income streams without even leaving their bedrooms?

At this time of year when the female form is so much more visibly on display the itch really needs scratching with someone who is fluent in English and decently turned out with the safety of a professional transaction to avoid complications but seems this is another facet of life ruined by modern technology.

[advent2016]

I just searched AW for nationality British and there are over 350 just for London. The thing I have liked about punting from the 90s to present is how the internet has helped and access to SPs from all over the world and not being restricted to just English or American providers. Other services like Onlyfans, Seeking, sugarbabes etc have filled another niche.
I find (ignoring the Covid blip) there is far more choice today than before.

[diver ted]

From memory AW total profile numbers topped out at 57k pre pandemic, 44k post.
Now down to just under 40k - further fuelling and maintaining cost increases I imagine.
Lapsed and parked profiles have also increased significantly.

[RandomGuy99]

COVID and the lockdowns and having to explain to their family how they couldn't work from home when their cover story fell apart possibly led some SPs to choose different jobs and they found that was less well paid but also less stressful that being an SP, so they stuck with it.

[badsin]

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=373185.0

Similar East Midlands thread above.
Covid really seemed to speed up the process, there had been a decline for a few years prior to that.
I know some SPs that effectively retired and have blended back into civil life, and aren't coming back. Whilst SA, effectively became online during lockdown.
Personally I think we need more massage type parlours, with fit British bird's,  this could be a type of apprenticeship prior before becoming an escort 

[Harry Monk]

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=373185.0

Similar East Midlands thread above.
Covid really seemed to speed up the process, there had been a decline for a few years prior to that.
I know some SPs that effectively retired and have blended back into civil life, and aren't coming back. Whilst SA, effectively became online during lockdown.
Personally I think we need more massage type parlours, with fit British bird's,  this could be a type of apprenticeship prior before becoming an escort 

I second that idea , maybe it could be a Government supported/funded scheme. We would all get behind that...oh matron.

[Kimeen]

I second that idea , maybe it could be a Government supported/funded scheme. We would all get behind that...oh matron.

Eat out to help out?

[Dylanbob]

I have no evidence for this, only my own deduction.

 But If I was a nice tight 20 something wanting to make money or a living in this game. Escorting really now plays to those short term goals. You can earn alot quickly but it comes with risk and you have to have sex with random men.

Where as in the long term you can cam yourself masterbating, hope to get a following and hopefully never need to do meets. But I imagine that also takes a lot of time and work and is much more on a slow burn ok average.

[timelord]

I just searched AW for nationality British and there are over 350 just for London. The thing I have liked about punting from the 90s to present is how the internet has helped and access to SPs from all over the world and not being restricted to just English or American providers. Other services like Onlyfans, Seeking, sugarbabes etc have filled another niche.
I find (ignoring the Covid blip) there is far more choice today than before.

London is a very different market to the rest of the country. Also question how many of those 350 haven't been misrepresented are actually available today and you'd actually want to see.

[Roman77]

In NI it's very slim pickings. There are around four or five locals providing services and they seem to spending more time on social media with wish lists and promoting their OF content. It's becoming a 'buy me, buy me' gift culture and I'll reward you with a video or photos.
 
Touring girls look to be on a circuit timetable with the same girls appearing every couple of months charging crazy hourly and now half hourly rates.

I suppose if they can make money out of OF and tailored videos, promoting profiles through social media it saves on travel and renting apartments. They can also raise their prices for meets and be more selective of clients.

As long as men continue to pay for these services then there will be less SP's around and it'll be more a virtual business.

[tidytuz]

London is a very different market to the rest of the country. Also question how many of those 350 haven't been misrepresented are actually available today and you'd actually want to see.

Also many of them are just camgirls who tick the 'Escorts' box to try get more eyes on their page.

Onlyfans / camming is a good thing for punters because it helps weed out the SPs who don't actually enjoy servicing punters, just in it for the £££ and would give a poor service anyway.

[GreyDave]

  funnily I was thinking that myself I fanciced doing my local Full English Fuck with Kerry who I see every now and again ....gone 

I used to fit out flats in Harlow and often saw Chelsea ....gone    ( although I did actual bump in to her in the coop ther before christmas 

And Soho walkups ....there were a few Brit Blode Big titters  ( Kay Greens Court and Lisa 70a Berwick St )...gone

I am jadded by the shapeless 5ft 4 flat chested Roms that seem to of taken there place who think the mere fact an old bloke is seeing a naked body will make them happy with the majic words ...

Cum now babe!      At least there are some Brazlians and a few other types out there helping us in our hobby

[Boates]

Its a sad state of affairs that alongside almost every other sector of the economy finding decent british workers has got increasingly challenging in the punting community.

Can merely dream of the halcyon days of the 90's/00s when so many great looking british SPs were available to choose from. Those days will never return but in the last few years the last vestiges of a domestic market seems to be drying up entirely. Its completely ridiculous that british service providers seem to be rare has hens teeth now on AW is it crap like onlyfans and other social media to blame giving access to alternate income streams without even leaving their bedrooms?

At this time of year when the female form is so much more visibly on display the itch really needs scratching with someone who is fluent in English and decently turned out with the safety of a professional transaction to avoid complications but seems this is another facet of life ruined by modern technology.

I couldn't agree more.

I was searching for a punt around Manchester City Centre today but taking out all the Roms & Brazillians the choice was limited to single digits and nothing that was appealing.

[Payyourwaymate]

OF is saturated, do not be fooled by the articles. I started a thread about Onlyfans back in 2020 when it seemed like every woman was going on it:

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=279516.0

Not sure if your issue is either the decline of Brit SPs in general or the decline of Brit SPs at a price range you are prepared to pay. I say this because I still see plenty about on AW, they just seem to be poor value for money looks and service wise compared to others.

[timelord]

Looks and service from British SPs is definitely in short supply outside London....can search aw for SP in a number of prominent towns in the southeast region near me and barely get to double figures.  Most that show up in searches don't look genuine or appealing if you do chance it less than 50:50 on having a good time.

[matoombaDan]

Or they're charging upwards of £100 per half hour (+30 for OWO!).

Sadly as the months keep rolling by since the pandemic, it seems that any hope there was of things recovering to a reasonably sane level have rapidly evaporated. I know we call it punting for a reason, but finding anyone new who isn't going to throw me out of the door £100 lighter after 10 minutes is nigh on impossible it seems...

[jamiekinkxxx]

Some OnlyFans Info below.

I really don't think it is the whole story by a long stretch:

External Link/Members Only (only one article but many out there say the same thing. Below is some interesting facts from the article:

How Much Can You Earn on OnlyFans?
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This is echoed by many online sex workers who have established a presence on OnlyFans. Many of them talk about how difficult it is to earn decent money on the platform since a big part of it is wrapped up in being able to build a following. Beyond that, you have to spend time and energy to produce content consistently for some time before the account starts turning a big enough profit.[/u][/i]...

Onlyfans Statistics

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2. Bella Thorne Earned More Than $1 Million in Her First 24 Hours
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She joined OnlyFans in August 2020, setting a platform record in her first 24 hours, earning more than $1 million in revenue. She had enabled this by announcing her plans in a video montage on her Instagram account (where she has 24.3 million followers).

Before long, her earnings had doubled to $2 million. She had set her OnlyFans subscription at $20 per month (with a limited-time 20% discount for a one-month subscription and 15% off if fans purchase three- or six-month access).

Thorn later claimed that she had opened her OnlyFans account as an experiment for a documentary by filmmaker Sean Baker. Baker has strenuously denied this, however.

Ultimately, Bella Thorne only remained on OnlyFans for a short while. She caused controversy for offering $200 pay-per-view photos for "naked" pictures, but the images actually showed her wearing lingerie. This caused numerous refund requests, resulting in OnlyFans allegedly changing the rules regarding payment rates and chargebacks. Sex workers on the platform complained that Thorn's actions reduced their livelihood.

3. Most Accounts Take Home Less Than $145 Per Month
Most performers do not make a fortune from OnlyFans. Indeed, the majority of them receive less than $145 per month.

However, it must be pointed out that one reason for this inequality is that the majority of OnlyFans accounts have no fans at all. They aren't set up for serious broadcasting.

4. Top 1% of Accounts Make 33% of the Money
However, as XSRUS observes, the revenue of content creators follows a classic power-law distribution. The top performers earn substantially more than everybody else. The top 1% of accounts make 33% of all the money, and the top 10% of accounts make 73% of all the money.

Of course, influencers and celebrities have a natural advantage when it comes to earning money on OnlyFans. They bring a ready-made audience with them. It presumably isn't hard to bring a proportion of an existing sizable Instagram following to OnlyFans and make money from them.

5. Average Earnings from OnlyFans is $180/month
XSRUS has crunched the numbers to come up with some estimated earnings by OnlyFans creators. They calculate that the median accounts earn about $180/month.  However, they do observe that their calculations exclude tipping, as there is no information available about money received as tips on OnlyFans.

[jamiekinkxxx]

Key pointers for me are:

- The comments by Huldt (at the start of the post above)
- The distribution of earnings (top 1% take 33%)
- The average earnings per month

[Southernbloke]

I have to say that subscribing to OF so a girl gets her kit off and you get to give yourself a hand shandy sounds really lame.
Plenty of free porn available on the internet which caters for most sexual desires.
For me meeting a lady face to face is the best experience rather than sitting at home having to pay to wank yourself off .
I always think that the type of blokes that use OF are the type of bloke that would never have the courage to meet a woman for paid sex .
Girls will get fed up with constantly having to make fresh content and hardly selling any. As a previous poster has pointed out that only a few make lots of money and the vast majority don’t.

[Vice Admiral]

How Much Can You Earn on OnlyFans?
Even though Huldt had a large Instagram following before she joined OnlyFans, she revealed to Business Insider that she works on OnlyFans content seven days a week to maintain her level of earnings. Huldt offered up some advice for creators considering joining OnlyFans to earn money: "I would never advise someone doing it if they only wanted to do it like two days a week or something. It's not a part-time thing in your mind. You wouldn't make enough money."

This echoes what I have read elsewhere – that a girl has to be very organised and committed (and, to some extent, lucky) to make worthwhile money from Only Fans.

However I know from my own circle of female acquaintance that it is fairly easy for a not-so-well-organised girl to make surprisingly decent money from sending pics to – or doing web-camming for – random men they encounter on the internet.

Therefore the movement away from "real-world" paid-for sex towards internet sex – which has been reported and / or theorised in this thread and elsewhere on UKP – isn't just a matter of mainstream semi-professional websites, but also of amateur (and also, I suspect, often amateurish) activity.

In my opinion this shift is permanent and irreversible (and the oft-cited Covid dimension something of a red herring).  If attractive girls can make good sex-money without getting their hands dirty, it's not surprising that most will choose that option.

[Cheshuk]

I guess my views on this are different to most, but I find London only beats my region (nw) with foreign talent, stunner brit sp's are equally about in nw & London imo, just come at a price.

Where I notice a real decline everywhere is young petite brit stunners. I can name equal or more outside London than in London, in all regions ones I've not seen almost non-existent, and they're possibly my favourite type.

Seeking only has a handful right now across the entire country, even that's drying up, and I'm totally unsure why. There is still the fact some girls see escorting as the only sex work you can leave without a trace, i've chatted to early 20s girls, and they said they wouldn't do only fans or webcamming because of this.

Personally, I have no idea why there are less younger ones getting into it. To be fair there are still quite a lot about, but as people have said they're not particularly attractive. One consideration is that's the case covid weight gain could also still be an ongoing issue.

However another factor which i'm strongly considering as a reason is that tastes have changed, I met a slim petite 19yo from seeking, who I thought was absolutely gorgeous. I said to her she has my ideal body type. She told me the guys her age says she's too skinny, they want thicker girls with big asses. She was definitely the type of girl that would be popular with us, it's made me consider that we are of a different generation and the desires of body types have changed for the younger generation, and the girls are simply catering to a different generation.

[jamiekinkxxx]

I guess my views on this are different to most, but I find London only beats my region (nw) with foreign talent, stunner brit sp's are equally about in nw & London imo, just come at a price.

Where I notice a real decline everywhere is young petite brit stunners. I can name equal or more outside London than in London, in all regions ones I've not seen almost non-existent, and they're possibly my favourite type.

Seeking only has a handful right now across the entire country, even that's drying up, and I'm totally unsure why. There is still the fact some girls see escorting as the only sex work you can leave without a trace, i've chatted to early 20s girls, and they said they wouldn't do only fans or webcamming because of this.

Personally, I have no idea why there are less younger ones getting into it. To be fair there are still quite a lot about, but as people have said they're not particularly attractive. One consideration is that's the case covid weight gain could also still be an ongoing issue.

However another factor which i'm strongly considering as a reason is that tastes have changed, I met a slim petite 19yo from seeking, who I thought was absolutely gorgeous. I said to her she has my ideal body type. She told me the guys her age says she's too skinny, they want thicker girls with big asses. She was definitely the type of girl that would be popular with us, it's made me consider that we are of a different generation and the desires of body types have changed for the younger generation, and the girls are simply catering to a different generation.

I'm so with you... how things change by generation... the younger generation can keep their 'thick' body type, does zero for me.... slim and slender is how I like them! 

[summernirvana]

I don't punt much but I like browsing around.

There are shortages everywhere. Not just British WGs to be honest.

I don't like breast implants, tattoos or lip fillers; that rules out a massive pool.

I also have unchecked punts on my bucket list that I can't seem to find:

- American / Canadian
- Colombian / Venezuelan

Ethnicities I enjoy have also vanished:

South Asian (Desi, especially my favourites British Pakistani) nowhere to be seen these days
East Asian (Viet, Fili, etc...never mind Koreans and Japanese)

Polish girls used to be great back then, now the few around are 50 but claim 25, also mostly B&S.

Prices are exorbitant for a fella like me also.

[wristjob]

15 years ago 1h agency incalls in Yorkshire were around £150 and indis seemed to start at 80/120. Credit crunch came, prices dropped, a few years ago they started catching up and it's probably only the last year that they have gone past this, and aren't close in inflation adjusted terms. Cheap sex and the internet probably brought more guys in to punting too.

I feel Brexit stopped a lot of girls coming here, inflation and that allowed current WGs to charge more and the cost of living crisis isn't really hitting that hard yet to make it so British girls need to go in to escorting. Also I'm seeing plenty of people paying the new rates so again cost of living isn't really biting that much. Cheap punting thrives on an economy like 2010-2015, but when that happens we won't have the money to punt anyway.

[KatieEdinburgh]

15 years ago 1h agency incalls in Yorkshire were around £150 and indis seemed to start at 80/120. Credit crunch came, prices dropped, a few years ago they started catching up and it's probably only the last year that they have gone past this, and aren't close in inflation adjusted terms. Cheap sex and the internet probably brought more guys in to punting too.

Was about to say that, if you look at External Link/Members Only and put in £150 in 2007 would be equal to £236.35 now which certainly puts things into perspective.

[jamiekinkxxx]

Indeed!

To all the doomsayers... the reality is that (as Harold Macmillan said) "we have never had it so good"

[sensualencounter]

Was about to say that, if you look at External Link/Members Only and put in £150 in 2007 would be equal to £236.35 now which certainly puts things into perspective.

This is the same “woe is me”, “how dare those women earn money” bullshit as all the other threads moaning. Even with the logic of what you’ve just said it won’t change this attitude sadly.

[jamiekinkxxx]

This is the same “woe is me”, “how dare those women earn money” bullshit as all the other threads moaning. Even with the logic of what you’ve just said it won’t change this attitude sadly.

Indeed maybe we should have a nickel-and-dime area of the site where they can play safely knowing that their wallets are not going to melt 

[KatieEdinburgh]

Indeed maybe we should have a nickel-and-dime area of the site where they can play safely knowing that their wallets are not going to melt 

Poundland but for pounding 

[jamiekinkxxx]

Poundland but for pounding 

 

[LLPunting]

Was about to say that, if you look at External Link/Members Only and put in £150 in 2007 would be equal to £236.35 now which certainly puts things into perspective.

That on its own doesn't make the argument.  150 isn't just about what's being earned by the SP it's perhaps even more so about what's being paid by the SS. 150 in 2007 (or further back in time) would make a greater dent in the earnings of any punter then compared to a punter in the same role where salary/wage inflation hadn't kept up with price inflation.
The only way for consumers to improve their cost or living and leisure indices over time is to increase their disposable income ahead of the applicable inflation.  So SS's are only getting a better deal if they have more real punting budget than they had before, just on monetary terms, factor in whether SPs have improved or declined in quality of looks and services...

Accuracy of inflation data
Over long periods, the definitions of goods and services included in the price index have changed. For example, a family’s food and clothes today are very different to those of a typical family a hundred years ago.

Changes in household spending also reflect higher incomes and the wider range of goods and services available to buy today. These new goods and services are included in today’s price index, but not in earlier versions. 

Overall, these features of the data mean that comparisons of prices further back in time and over long periods are less accurate than comparisons over short periods in recent years.

Given the arguments of Drs, train drivers, baristas, cleaning staff, firemen, refuse collectors... whoever, pay has not generally been keeping up with inflation so whilst SPs can moan about their earnings not being as great a reward as before it's only those SPs who were shagging SSs 37+ hrs a week to just keep pace with the average civvy worker that have real cause to put their prices up.  Any SP who has been able to afford more holidays than most, buy a house, pay excessive rent, buy more luxuries than most can only moan that she has to earn more to maintain her prosperous lifestyle.   Sure there are punters who could afford 150 then and could afford 250 now for the same quality of looks and services at the same rate of visits (or more) but just as many from the same demographic probably not.  SP earnings have been "protected" by the increasing disparity in wealth of more affluent SSs, whether legacy high earners or new entrants into the wealthy bracket.

Factor in the comparable cost and subsequent inflation of necessities in SP home countries if they are sending money back then perhaps we get a truer telling for those SPs whose cost of living aren't wholly UK determined.

[wristjob]

I don't think Katie was moaning and my point was just factual. In the last 15 years salaries have gone up around 50%, Inflation has raised prices a similar amount, punting ony really went about those prices a year ago.

At the absolute least a British girl working in McDonalds now will probably earn double what she would 15 years ago, the minimum wage is double what it was in 2005 so being an escort isn't nearly as appealing as it was back then.

I'm not saying rates should go up and god knows I am spending way more than I want to but it's just how it is and anyone who punted 2010-2020 just got lucky.

[Punting2022]

Seeking, Only fans probably. However they earn, most is tax free.

[daviemac]

Seeking, Only fans probably. However they earn, most is tax free.

How do you work that out, Onlyfans isn't a cash transaction so there's a record of all the payments.   

[akauya]

Seeking, Only fans probably. However they earn, most is tax free.

Here we go again. Nearly every thread you go you moan about either SPs earning too much or whether they pay tax or not. You're obsessed about it. You give out weird creepy vibes.

[LLPunting]

I don't think Katie was moaning and my point was just factual. In the last 15 years salaries have gone up around 50%, Inflation has raised prices a similar amount, punting ony really went about those prices a year ago.

At the absolute least a British girl working in McDonalds now will probably earn double what she would 15 years ago, the minimum wage is double what it was in 2005 so being an escort isn't nearly as appealing as it was back then.

I'm not saying rates should go up and god knows I am spending way more than I want to but it's just how it is and anyone who punted 2010-2020 just got lucky.

Doubling crap pay (that may've been below minimum living wage) to something a bit above it doesn't make escorting significantly less appealing.  Looking at the 150ph agency girls, back then they were living the life, buying houses, seeding businesses, some spending more than some SSs earned.  An SS on 45k in 2008 (25.165k was national median earnings in 2008, regional table attached) would have to be on 80.566k now (median 33k in '22) just to be on real terms equivalent.  So sure SPs could claim that 150ph then is 269 now (External Link/Members Only) as that's their value equivalent BUT they aren't salaried workers "entitled" to pay-rises, they are freelancers subject to what market can afford and a whole bunch of their clients from then would be sitting on much higher commitments now like children, mortgages, rent, car loans, alimony, child support, etc which have likely accumulated far more than simple CPI(H) due to changing circumstances.
External Link/Members Only  might seem promising with top 20% of households having 66k disposable in 2022 after taxes but that's for mortgage/rent and everything else. (500k mortgage @4% with 20 yrs to run may be setting you back 36k pa).  Married? Kids?  Food? Other ents? Car(s)? Pension? Schooling?  University?  Utilities?  Phones+devices?

Your salary and inflation accounting is a bit off I think and CPI applied cumulatively doesn't allow for the cost of housing which now exceeds CPI trended costs e.g mortgage example above or rents.  And whilst CPI tries to account for the average basket of essentials, "affluent" households will have luxury spending preferences on essentials and actual luxuries that are likely subject to more than CPI price inflation.
From ONS, some real terms equivalents time series below.  As most unions and pay bodies have been stating, most people have seen a cumulative stagnation or reduction in real disposable income.   That means that even more people, more particularly women when one figures in the gender pay gap, will be feeling the pressure to increase earnings from the lowest paid all the way through high earning threshold (c.22.50ph FTE) and beyond.

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[jamiekinkxxx]

Here we go again. Nearly every thread you go you moan about either SPs earning too much or whether they pay tax or not. You're obsessed about it. You give out weird creepy vibes.

+1

[Mr Sinister]

Not sure about the British WG rarely punt with them in London since most are overpriced and nothing special. Its slim pickings in terms of variety compared to 6-7 years ago since a good chunk of EE WG have gone home or elsewhere in Europe. There used to be a time where a large chebbed or large ass or nice curvy wg would get me out the door fast and I could find them all over the place, 8 times out of 10 they managed to live up to expectations in the flesh. Now it's hard work trying to find a suitable WG.

[Maak]

WGs been saying cost of living has hit a lot of punters. Punters don't have much disposable cash as before. Most WGs have moved on to getting fulltime jobs & punting part time or on their day off

[sensualencounter]

Here we go again. Nearly every thread you go you moan about either SPs earning too much or whether they pay tax or not. You're obsessed about it. You give out weird creepy vibes.

I wondered when he or similar would pop up  those vibes you talk about are very strong with this one.

[wristjob]

Doubling crap pay (that may've been below minimum living wage) to something a bit above it doesn't make escorting significantly less appealing.  Looking at the 150ph agency girls, back then they were living the life, buying houses, seeding businesses,

I guess some girls get through 6 clients a day, call it a grand +- depends on region. The agency will probably take 1/3. Most agency girls I've spoken to recently seem to be doing a couple of appointments per shift and a lot are doing it part time. Not everybody is agency, not everybody is full time. As a full time job they need maybe 20k to beat minimum wage now, and back then that was 10k - and the rates are broadly the same. Seems a lot doing it part time and maybe a couple of evening meets works. If the choice is work sat and pick up 200 for 2 bookings or do a shift in a shop for £100 it's probably a close call. If it was £200 escorting or £50 in a shop in 2008 it was probably less close.

Your salary and inflation accounting is a bit off I think and CPI applied cumulatively doesn't allow for the cost of housing which now exceeds CPI trended costs e.g mortgage example above or rents. 

I checked the salary info with ONS before. Not really keen on a forum war and doubt it's interesting for anybody else. Money feels more disposable now than 15 years ago. Some people are struggling, plenty aren't.

[jamiekinkxxx]

Money feels more disposable now than 15 years ago. Some people are struggling, plenty aren't.

Agree totally depends on the individual and where they are in their life. 15 years is a long time to progress professionally and the increase in earning power and therefore more disposable money. BUT even then our lifestyles also change.... nicer restaurants, bigger house, more expensive car etc. so it really is down to the individual to ascertain whether it was 'cheaper' / 'more affordable' better back in the day or not.

However as you say many, esp in  in non-professional careers maybe worse off

[paul_tall_]

At the absolute least a British girl working in McDonalds now will probably earn double what she would 15 years ago, the minimum wage is double what it was in 2005 so being an escort isn't nearly as appealing as it was back then.

I'm not really sure how we as punters can comment on what constitutes appealing and what doesn't. 2009 was 15 years ago and there was higher unemployment than say 2005 and today, the internet even though more mature in 2009 rather than 2005 was in still in its infancy in some respects who had even heard of influencers back then. I really think you need girls who started out then to explain why and whether today that would still ring true

[MissWolf]

Here we go again. Nearly every thread you go you moan about either SPs earning too much or whether they pay tax or not. You're obsessed about it. You give out weird creepy vibes.

It honestly scares me how delusional and hate filled this weirdo is 

[kingmg]

They should ban only fans, only sites we need are adultwork and vivastreet

[alabama1]

They should ban only fans, only sites we need are adultwork and vivastreet

Who are "They" ? And OF,s is not there for our benefit.

[billybobsmith]

WGs been saying cost of living has hit a lot of punters. Punters don't have much disposable cash as before. Most WGs have moved on to getting fulltime jobs & punting part time or on their day off

Well, a lot have vanished completely, so either they're raking it in elsewhere, or something else.

I'm sure most on AW aren't going to be walking straight into a £60k/yr job.  More likely some £300/week job in a shop which makes them probably worse off than if they were on AW etc.
Surely 3 people a week at £150/hr is going to earn more, if not as much as, say 5 days a week in a coffee shop or Tesco etc.?

Whether some are to blame by providing a crap service which then results in no regulars, bad reviews etc., I don't know? (Perhaps some are only sticking to a few regulars in the background)
If some put a little effort into things, they could easily have a steady income stream.
 

[CarlosMenedez]

An interesting thread.

I believe that like most markets - this one runs on cycles.

The covid induced labour shortages don’t seem to marry up with the cost of living crisis we hear so much about. Is despondency setting in? Have we reached the bottom yet?

The girls will return. I’ve been monitoring AW in south Devon and it’s a desert. Onlyfans (never paid for anything digital) is here to stay but not all girls have the talent needed to compete. However those might suit sex work fine.

[Iceman90]

I think you’ll find that girls over exaggerate how much OF earns them in order to market themselves. In reality it’s a pittance compared to escorting.

[jamiekinkxxx]

I think you’ll find that girls over exaggerate how much OF earns them in order to market themselves. In reality it’s a pittance compared to escorting.

+1 although I’ve been shouted down before for saying that. But the info I gave above I think indicates how hard it is to actually make decent money on OF