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SirFrank

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I recently posted a negative review on here based solely on my experience. The girl in question has previously had extensive positive reviews from sound UKP members. However, I felt my experience warranted a negative review and posted accordingly. I've since been informed that someone has directed the girl in question to my UKP review (which is of course viewable to non members).

I don't know who did this but I suspect it's not only a punter but probably also a UKP member? I've no evidence to support this, it's just a hunch. The person in question (I'm not going to name them because I don't want to drag them into shit plus I've always held them in high regard) who contacted me, explained that the girl merely tried to explain why the meet was cancelled.  I've said my bit on the review and I'm not out to damage the girls reputation.   In fact, I don't think she's done anything wrong here, she's simply tried to clarify what went wrong her end. I'm therefore not going to add anything further to my review, hence posting this elsewhere (where it's only viewable to members).

However, if this has been stirred up by a fellow UKP member, it represents a new low for me, although I'm sure a lot of the old hands aren't surprised at such developments.  I'm sure anyone could have tipped her off for a variety of reasons but if it is a punter, I'm sure most of us can guess why. the aspect that disappoints me is the potential grief associated with negative reviews. Would the mystery person have tipped her off to a positive review? I suspect not, but a negative review somehow attracts attracts a different kind of interest with some.

I'm paranoid at the best of times but this has made me particularly paranoid. transparent reviews are essential for UKP or the feedback system will become as meaningless as AWs. I've not been subject to any abuse whatsoever here and I would like to reiterate that I've got no beef with the girl about this (or the meet that didn't happen, water under the bridge etc) but it's appears that some people have their own agenda. I guess there's no such thing as 'puntclub'

Offline Dogfather

Has anyone ever gone back to a girl after posting a Negative?

SF, would she be at all concerned with what happened to you if you hadn't done a Neg?

cockneybstrd

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White Knights or Snidey Sidneys are stupid cunts in my books.

They tend to think currying favour with a pro$$ie will win them some brownie points (Or get them their brown wings)

You wouldnt email apple and tell them someone's slagging off apple phones on an internet forum so why these people feel the need to bring to the attention a bad review is beyond me. The fact is these creatures would probably prefer not too even see a review of their favourite 'lady' as they might get jealous and have their feelings hurt

SirFrank

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Has anyone ever gone back to a girl after posting a Negative?

SF, would she be at all concerned with what happened to you if you hadn't done a Neg?

I've never gone back after a negative review but then I've only left a few negatives. In fairness from what I can gather she's only sought to clarify what happened. I've got no problem with her, I'm just disappointed at the fact that someone is stirring

Offline punk

I recently posted a negative review on here based solely on my experience. The girl in question has previously had extensive positive reviews from sound UKP members. However, I felt my experience warranted a negative review and posted accordingly. I've since been informed that someone has directed the girl in question to my UKP review (which is of course viewable to non members).

I don't know who did this but I suspect it's not only a punter but probably also a UKP member? I've no evidence to support this, it's just a hunch. The person in question (I'm not going to name them because I don't want to drag them into shit plus I've always held them in high regard) who contacted me, explained that the girl merely tried to explain why the meet was cancelled.  I've said my bit on the review and I'm not out to damage the girls reputation.   In fact, I don't think she's done anything wrong here, she's simply tried to clarify what went wrong her end. I'm therefore not going to add anything further to my review, hence posting this elsewhere (where it's only viewable to members).


However, if this has been stirred up by a fellow UKP member, it represents a new low for me, although I'm sure a lot of the old hands aren't surprised at such developments.  I'm sure anyone could have tipped her off for a variety of reasons but if it is a punter, I'm sure most of us can guess why. the aspect that disappoints me is the potential grief associated with negative reviews. Would the mystery person have tipped her off to a positive review? I suspect not, but a negative review somehow attracts attracts a different kind of interest with some.

I'm paranoid at the best of times but this has made me particularly paranoid. transparent reviews are essential for UKP or the feedback system will become as meaningless as AWs. I've not been subject to any abuse whatsoever here and I would like to reiterate that I've got no beef with the girl about this (or the meet that didn't happen, water under the bridge etc) but it's appears that some people have their own agenda. I guess there's no such thing as 'puntclub'

just read your review and there is nothing wrong with it, it seems that she is a prossie who is doing business back to back, to make as much money before she leaves this country, therefore at this stage of the game punter welfare is low on her list.
« Last Edit: September 02, 2014, 09:14:48 pm by punk »

Offline Blue Suede Goo

Just read your review Sir Frank.
I can't understand why a UKP member would feel the need to get involved and warn a SP when there's no defence for her shite comms and bad organisation. Yes she's got great reviews until you contacted her but they all seem to drop the ball sooner or later.
The business with TCM and the threats to Infoseeker are cause for concern. Now it also seems that fellow members are putting a chance to ingratiate with a WG above loyalty to another UKP member.
It's bad form all the way and, in my naïveté, I didn't expect this risk from a fellow member whoever they are.
It also says a lot for you that you didn't expose them :drinks:

Loki

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if someone is stirring things up then that's pretty low and a bit shit IMO.

what the fuck do they care if you have had a negative response to a punt... fucking fluffy cunts.

 :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

Offline smiths

I recently posted a negative review on here based solely on my experience. The girl in question has previously had extensive positive reviews from sound UKP members. However, I felt my experience warranted a negative review and posted accordingly. I've since been informed that someone has directed the girl in question to my UKP review (which is of course viewable to non members).

I don't know who did this but I suspect it's not only a punter but probably also a UKP member? I've no evidence to support this, it's just a hunch. The person in question (I'm not going to name them because I don't want to drag them into shit plus I've always held them in high regard) who contacted me, explained that the girl merely tried to explain why the meet was cancelled.  I've said my bit on the review and I'm not out to damage the girls reputation.   In fact, I don't think she's done anything wrong here, she's simply tried to clarify what went wrong her end. I'm therefore not going to add anything further to my review, hence posting this elsewhere (where it's only viewable to members).

However, if this has been stirred up by a fellow UKP member, it represents a new low for me, although I'm sure a lot of the old hands aren't surprised at such developments.  I'm sure anyone could have tipped her off for a variety of reasons but if it is a punter, I'm sure most of us can guess why. the aspect that disappoints me is the potential grief associated with negative reviews. Would the mystery person have tipped her off to a positive review? I suspect not, but a negative review somehow attracts attracts a different kind of interest with some.

I'm paranoid at the best of times but this has made me particularly paranoid. transparent reviews are essential for UKP or the feedback system will become as meaningless as AWs. I've not been subject to any abuse whatsoever here and I would like to reiterate that I've got no beef with the girl about this (or the meet that didn't happen, water under the bridge etc) but it's appears that some people have their own agenda. I guess there's no such thing as 'puntclub'

The first thing for me is who knows what anyone you dont know MIGHT be doing and saying to WGs, and it could be another WG or pimp who read your review anyway and told the WG.

Secondly, what bad WGs and pimps want is to cause disruption on here in anyway they can, there isnt any depths they wouldnt plunge to in my view if they think its to their benefit.

Thirdly, fuck them, i will give my feedback as suits me within what admin allows. If a bad WG gets annoyed bad luck, they should of offered me a good service. I have a zero tolerance to being fucked about or over. ALL they will have on me is my easily changed punting number and/or description, so unless they either follow me from a WGs premises or are tech wizards i am as anonymous as i can be and still post on here including doing reviews.

As ever be as anonymous as you can is my advice.

Offline smiths

Has anyone ever gone back to a girl after posting a Negative?

SF, would she be at all concerned with what happened to you if you hadn't done a Neg?

But some punters might punt through an Agency or Parlour and do a negative on a WG but wish to punt with another WG through the same place in the future. Some of these pimps come out with the your blacklisted crap, blacklisted by a pimp running an illegal business, always makes me chuckle.

helmsdale

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Just because a UKP punter sent you a PM with a message from the prossie in question doesn't necessarily mean they were the person that informed her of the negative review - I always imagined some SAAFE harpie did that.

I had a similar thing happen to me - when I visited a WG who I had previously given a glowing review to on UKP which she worked out was from me, she without any prompting from me started to go on about a 'neutral' bordering on 'negative' review from another UKP punter here who amongst other things thought that she was not as good looking as her studio photos and also older than her profile age. Her point was, which I thought was fair enough was that the punter should have walked away from the punt at the door and she was very clear that she wouldn't have minded had he done so. So I conveyed this message to the punter in question, not by PM but by doing a post on his review.

As far as I was concerned I was being helpful to my fellow punters by encouraging them to walk if they feel their expectations have not been met and not to ingratiate myself with the WG who I get on well enough with already.



SirFrank

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Just because a UKP punter sent you a PM with a message from the prossie in question doesn't necessarily mean they were the person that informed her of the negative review - I always imagined some SAAFE harpie did that.

I had a similar thing happen to me - when I visited a WG who I had previously given a glowing review to on UKP which she worked out was from me, she without any prompting from me started to go on about a 'neutral' bordering on 'negative' review from another UKP punter here who amongst other things thought that she was not as good looking as her studio photos and also older than her profile age. Her point was, which I thought was fair enough was that the punter should have walked away from the punt at the door and she was very clear that she wouldn't have minded had he done so. So I conveyed this message to the punter in question, not by PM but by doing a post on his review.

As far as I was concerned I was being helpful to my fellow punters by encouraging them to walk if they feel their expectations have not been met and not to ingratiate myself with the WG who I get on well enough with already.

 No, The person who informed me wasn't the person who tipped the girl off. He was just giving me the heads up and he's a really good lad. I don't think he was passing her message on to me as such just filling me in really. As to who tipped her off, as you say, it could be anyone and the review section is open to anyone anyway. Just have a feeling it was a punter.

As I've said in other posts and as highlighted above, in the real world of punting keeping your head down is save advice

Offline Tailpipe



As I've said in other posts and as highlighted above, in the real world of punting keeping your head down is save advice

It's been a big question for a long time ,reviews create trails , hence many don,t do them.
Or post months after , it's takes a lot for a punter with risk to post a neg review.
On a active WG

Panel and others were good examples . But the life blood of the forum is reviews.

Rock and a hard place .

Tjkooker

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I'm having similar issues just now frank. Prossies n pimps are after me.  :lol:

helmsdale

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Sorry for getting the wrong end of the stick - tiredness creeping in.


Offline punk

I'm having similar issues just now frank. Prossies n pimps are after me.  :lol:

get your gun out and shoot them, TJ Hooker style. :D

cockneybstrd

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I'm having similar issues just now frank. Prossies n pimps are after me.  :lol:

I thought it was the lads at the dojo who were after you TJ

Offline CBPaul

Can't see anything wrong with your review Sir Frank, could have been a lot worse. Nice pick though, wouldn't mind a go on that myself.

Could well have been a member from here trying to worm his way in and get extra service but I wouldn't be surprised if the more ingenious pimps and prossies are looking out for reviews on UKP, they'll be pretty quick to respond with the usual excuses.

I had a very similar situation last year, bad comms and blown out. Left a negative review and she signed up here pretty quickly, god alone knows how she found out so quickly though.

Offline NIK

If any UKP members are found to be tipping prossies off about negative reviews they will be UKP members no longer.

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I've long suspected a prossie is tipping off other prossies, but for a punter to do it is a new low.

Tjkooker

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I thought it was the lads at the dojo who were after you TJ

That's what I thought. But it appears there is some truth in his veiled threat. Now BigSur is making similar overtones. https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=37356.0
« Last Edit: September 03, 2014, 12:32:53 am by Tjkooker »

Offline Jimmyredcab

Someone tipping off a pro$$ie is hardly headline news, it has been going on for years.

How many times has a pro$$ie joined to dispute something that has been said on here, obviously they have been tipped off, this forum has hundreds of enemies so it is hardly surprising.  :hi:

Offline hendrix

White knights or Snidey Sidneys are stupid cunts in my books.

They tend to think currying favour with a pro$$ie will win them some brownie points (Or get them their brown wings)

You wouldnt email apple and tell them someone's slagging off apple phones on an internet forum so why these people feel the need to bring to the attention a bad review is beyond me. The fact is these creatures would probably prefer not too even see a review of their favourite 'lady' as they might get jealous and have their feelings hurt

There is is sad twat out of that is clearly very upset about my MissKDD reviews! :lol: 

Offline punk

Someone tipping off a pro$$ie is hardly headline news, it has been going on for years.

How many times has a pro$$ie joined to dispute something that has been said on here, obviously they have been tipped off, this forum has hundreds of enemies so it is hardly surprising.  :hi:

i always thought it was mostly pimps, other escorts and fluffy punters.

Offline Jimmyredcab

i always thought it was mostly pimps, other escorts and fluffy punters.

What about the hundreds of banned members, do you really think they would just go quietly.    :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

Offline punk

What about the hundreds of banned members, do you really think they would just go quietly.    :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

no as it appears to me some have no other life.

Pimps and escorts hate this site, because its allows as many punters to share info, bad escorts loose our hard earned money and rightly.

Offline Happylad

Surely, this is one of the risks that one has to accept when the Forum and the Surveys are open to being read by all and sundry - members or not.

Out of all the visitors (guests?) who visit the site every day there must be quite a number of pro$$ies who aren`t members, but who tune in regularly (or have their pimps, managers, agents or parlour owners do so) just to see whether any surveys have been written on them.

Let`s face it, if you go into the roughest pub in town and gratuitously insult the roughest looking bloke there you will probably get a thump in the face.  So if you engage the very personal services of a member of what is probably the roughest end of the female labour market (present female company always excepted, of course) and make disparaging remarks about her you will run the risk of getting the verbal equivalent of a slap in reply, but remember - YOU ARE DOING IT FOR THE BENEFIT OF MANKIND (or at least, the punting section of it)

Offline HS4000Kestral

Frank - I saw the review and I did wonder if you would get any flak as a number of UKP members seem to fawn over this girl.

I actually saw the girly self and although she was pleasant it was nowhere near the ecstasy experience I was expecting. I didn't post a review as I thought she may have had an off day, or the punters who sing her praises are far "too close" to her.

Oscar

Toshiba

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Quite apt ......this is the situation ive found myself after todays punt. A fellow punter has gone straight to her to tell her of the negative review.snidy in my view

Offline Horizontal pleasures

If any UKP members are found to be tipping prossies off about negative reviews they will be UKP members no longer.

Someone tipped off a lady that I had done a positive review of her so now she will not see me again but we had had great fun and some horrid man put a stop to it.


JV547845

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Frank, I really enjoyed my time with Brittney, but when I booked her there were already reviews on here suggesting she was unreliable, so you're not alone.  I decided to proceed at risk on a same day jaunt, and was just prepared to go for a pint if she let me down.  Sorry you weren't as lucky.  I've had no further contact with her since leaving her AW feedback by the way.  She could've found out in a regular conversation.  I don't want to shit stir, so just by way of example, when I saw Platinum Cindy, she asked how I'd heard of her, I said UKP.  She was actually positive about the site.  Had I known about the past debacle at the time it would have been natural for me to then ask, what was all that shit about then?

Anyway, I've not re read the thread a second time, but why shouldn't we want WGs to read their negative reviews?  I guess it takes a rare one to take any criticism on the chin, even if it's constructive, and either drop their prices a bit to ensure the business still keeps coming in while they work on their service and profile, or just reconsider whether this line of work is really for them.  We have seen so many lose it over the blemish on their carefully orchestrated internet marketing presence, which seems to be more dear to some  of them than actually doing a good job in the first place and gaining business by word of mouth the old fashioned way.  But that's their problem, unless the reviewer could be traced to their real identity, or for some bizarre reason wants to rebook after writing a negative review, why do we punters give a shit if a WG sees a negative review of theirs? 

Offline Dogfather

What percentage of punters read UKP? I'm sure someone had a guess before.

A Negative is about helping your fellow punters on here IMO.

Would it affect her business? I doubt it would be noticeable to them.

Offline smiths

What percentage of punters read UKP? I'm sure someone had a guess before.

A Negative is about helping your fellow punters on here IMO.

Would it affect her business? I doubt it would be noticeable to them.

No one knows the definite answer to how many punters read UKP. My logic tells me its a small number of all the punters out there but ever growing.

A negative review could affect at least some WGs in my view, be that only temporary. The point is not doing a negative definitely wont have any effect, doing one might which bad WGs and brothels deserve as i see it.

Offline wristjob

It's an open forum, anyone can see and just like we have guys here who take it as a mission to close shady AW accounts I'm sure SAAFE, PN or somewhere have somebody who just checks the neg reviews here each day and stirs shit accordingly.

I'm not into the "hunch" thing - you know something or you know nothing, and if it's the latter it's not fair to point fingers.

When you post a negative review the clock is ticking, it's nailed on the girl will find out eventually. Does it even matter who tipped her off (not saying they aren't scum if it's a member, but somebody else would if they didn't) and as you have punting phone etc - why do you care?

password02

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Just checked the numbers reading UKP at 21.13 today-

1,078 Visitors - 851 Guests, 199 Members (0 Buddies) - So as an example using these figures approx 80% of people reading UKP at this time are NON MEMBERS.

My point is that the stats show that the there is every chance that a Non Member reading UKP and is a member on AW is more likely to be tipping off the girls who have received Negative reviews.  Will not be the 1st time or the last, Just have to accept that some punters will try and gain an advantage with a AW girl to gain favour.  Such is life!!!

Offline SamLP

I've never told a prossie about UKP or mentioned reviews on the net. I hardly ever mention AW either unless she's trying to state she doesn't do something which is mentioned in her profile. There's no sense in mixing fucking someone who takes your money with talk of reviews and what's been said about her. I wouldn't go near a prossie who is a member here anyway. She would easily link client with review, added to the blatant touting some seem to do with their positive opinions in several topics towards punters. I would rather read a punters review and make my own judgement.

At least the girl in question had the decency not to come here and start posting her defence, but it's not nice at all to know someone has tipped her off, unless she just happens to follow UKP. It is after all becoming more popular.

Offline biker-boy

So, Sir F., presumably if some dubious character has done the dirty on you, he (or she) would have drawn attention to my grievance against her as well. Any indication of that? To be honest I hope there is.  Having gone through 10 days of increasing excitement to ultimately being badly let down on the day I felt fully justified in letting her know my disappointment at her poor service, both verbally and electronically. Maybe we should thank our 'grass' for helping to get the message across?



RandyF

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This shit goes on all the time, sadly  :bomb:  White knights are the scum of the punting community, lurking, sitting frantically pm-ing whores about every vaguely negative word ever posted anywhere.

I bet deep down, whores despise these white knights as much as normal punters do though.  :lol:

Offline londonmaxxy

Have seen all sorts of games played with reports - false positives/ fluffies,  fake negatives etc. re: negatives I think it depends on content - meaning if they're slated for being unclean, not giving advertised services, ripping off it's invaluable. Some of the other stuff can be subjective but useful to know.
Some of the best punts I've had were with highly unreliable ones ( in terms of timing/comms)
I find the 'neutral' ones confusing on here - some are more negative than the negatives.
I guess unless it becomes like TripAdvisor ( heaven forbid)
It'll always be a bit random but if in doubt - post it!

Offline Jimmyredcab

What percentage of punters read UKP? I'm sure someone had a guess before.

A Negative is about helping your fellow punters on here IMO.

Would it affect her business? I doubt it would be noticeable to them.

I disagree totally, a scathing negative review on here from a "reliable" member could cost the girl dozens of lost bookings, even more so if more negative reviews follow.    :hi:

Pro$$ies do care about what is said on here, some have even threatened legal action.   :wackogirl:

Offline punk


Pro$$ies do care about what is said on here, some have even threatened legal action.   :wackogirl:

 :D  hopefully they will pay their taxes before taking legal action.  :lol:

Offline Jimmyredcab

:D  hopefully they will pay their taxes before taking legal action.  :lol:

They would never go through with their idle threats for many reasons, for starters they would have to reveal their true identity in court, the local newspapers would have a field day.   :hi:

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Offline Daffodil

Had I known about the past debacle at the time it would have been natural for me to then ask, what was all that shit about then?

That's where we differ. I don't think that is natural. Why do you give a shit? Too involved in my opinion  :hi:

Offline claretandblue

That's where we differ. I don't think that is natural. Why do you give a shit? Too involved in my opinion  :hi:
completely agree,the chat i have pre and post punt is about normal stuff but then again im a pretty normal guy,I certainly wouldnt start asking them about punting forums and what they think of this person or that,just plain weird

JV547845

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completely agree,the chat i have pre and post punt is about normal stuff but then again im a pretty normal guy,I certainly wouldnt start asking them about punting forums and what they think of this person or that,just plain weird
That's where we differ. I don't think that is natural. Why do you give a shit? Too involved in my opinion  :hi:

Yeah well, I didn't go to you two to ask for advise about how to carry on a conversation.  And I do hope all the social events you do manage to get invited to are still enjoyable if you're going to be all `you can't say that, it's not natural'.  Or maybe you're `that guy' and should stop ruining them for everyone else? 

I'll talk about anything I've seen on the internet with who I like, thankyou. 

Offline Daffodil

Yeah well, I didn't go to you two to ask for advise about how to carry on a conversation.  And I do hope all the social events you do manage to get invited to are still enjoyable if you're going to be all `you can't say that, it's not natural'.  Or maybe you're `that guy' and should stop ruining them for everyone else? 

I'll talk about anything I've seen on the internet with who I like, thankyou.

Nobody is saying you can't, we're just expressing an opinion that it isn't natural (as you put it) to talk to prossies about ukpunting and that it probably indicates you're too involved  :hi:

Offline Jimmyredcab

Nobody is saying you can't, we're just expressing an opinion that it isn't natural (as you put it) to talk to prossies about ukpunting and that it probably indicates you're too involved  :hi:


On my last punt the girl brought up the subject of forums, Saafe and UKPunting, seems quite a normal thing to talk about, or am I missing something.    :unknown:

Offline dandaley

saying doing that is 'too involved' is bollox , i have done it along with many other things i have talked about, perfectly normal i suppose unless you go to parlours for a robotic service.

potato

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If the girl knows about forums, particularly UKP and the girl knows you take part in them then maybe the service level you receive will be better for fear of a bad review?

Offline Daffodil

I think you guys who spend your time chatting to prossies about punting and punting forum need to get out a bit more. Prossies are there for you to have sex with, if you want to chat end something more varied.

If you're chatting about "this was said on that forum" or "that was said on this forum" or (most worryingly) "what do you think of this member and his negative review" then you're too involved in my opinion.

Is it really so hard to find something else to talk about, if you have to talk at all? I'll make perfectly friendly chit chat, off the clock, but it won't be about punting.

And similarly, I can think of nothing more dull than having to talk to people about my job.