Increase in throat cancer due to more having RO with multiple partners

[sparkus]

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I must have dined out on hundreds.

[Dipper]

It has to be some seriously good and fresh WG pussy for me to eat out on these days.

[Jonestown]

I believe it’s standard practice now for dentists to check the patent’s mouth for indications of cancer every time they come in for a check up, I might be wrong though.

[puntingking]

i am skeptical on this findings that reverse oral can or could give you throat cancer.

If I was worried (which I am slightly but not concerned enough to cut down on reverse oral) then surely rinsing your mouth afterwards with good mouthwash will get rid of all the harmful stuff that will cause throat cancer. 

[puntingking]

I believe it’s standard practice now for dentists to check the patent’s mouth for indications of cancer every time they come in for a check up, I might be wrong though.

I should hope so.

My belief was and still is that throat cancer is caused predominantly to those that smoke regularly and heavy alcohol drinkers.   

[Watts.E.Dunn]

This is going on about HPV transmission rather then Orl sex as such its just a way to transfer a STI..


Whats Doc H got to say?, 2nd opinion and all that;)..

[puntingking]

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I must have dined out on hundreds.

The report said  80% of adults reported practising oral sex at some point in their lives. Yet, mercifully, only a small number of those people develop oropharyngeal cancer. Why that is, is not clear."

Maybe it is because oral sex doesn't contribute to throat cancer 


supposedly if the report is correct then women can also get throat cancer by giving men owo. 

[puntingking]

This is going on about HPV transmission rather then Orl sex as such its just a way to transfer a STI..


Whats Doc H got to say?, 2nd opinion and all that;)..

hopefully he can provide some clarity

[puntingking]

"Oral sex does not directly cause throat cancer, but it can spread HPV. HPV can cause pre-cancerous changes in cells that may lead to throat cancer later on. Smoking and alcohol consumption further increase the risk that an HPV infection will become cancerous."

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Cancers linked to high-risk HPV include:

cervical cancer
anal cancer
penile cancer
vulval cancer
vaginal cancer
some types of head and neck cancer

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you may already have hpv without even know about. But how would they perform hpv screening on men?

edit : This is comforting news for men
More than half of men who are sexually active in the U.S. will have HPV at some time in their life. Often, men will clear the virus on their own, with no health problems."
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I believe that there is a greater chance of getting HIV rather than High risk hpv that can cause cancer through oral sex. The chance of getting HIV through oral sex is very slim but i think the chance of getting cancer through oral sex is even slimmer.

[Punting2022]

Hello.
I know its risky seeing escorts anyway. But this is interesting.
Only girl getting oral is one i know is clean. IE a partner that too after testing

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[Problem Child]

This is fairly *old news*.. remember reading about it in one of the Scottish broadsheets a few years ago, in fact I’ve probably not bought a newspaper in a decade so must’ve been a while ago..
The same hpv that is linked to cervical cancer has been linked to a rise in mouth and throat cancer. IIRC the magic number is 4. If you’ve had more than 4 oral sex partners in your life then chances are you carry this virus and are at increased risk.  The risk is still v small though.
Not all hpv’s cause warts and iirc the one linked to this doesn’t.
All girls have been immunised against this for a couple of decades now and I think boys get the vaccine too. Just us old cunts that are fucked.. ☹️

[kuck]

If you are under 45, get the HPV vaccine. Free on the NHS if you have sex with men.

[puntingking]

If you are under 45, get the HPV vaccine. Free on the NHS if you have sex with men.

you may already have the high risk type of hpv without even knowing about. I don't think it is worth paying privately to have the hpv vaccine which roughly cost £320 for two doeses taken 6 months apart. I won't be entitled for free hpv vaccine as I am hetrosexual.   

[puntingking]

This is fairly *old news*.. remember reading about it in one of the Scottish broadsheets a few years ago, in fact I’ve probably not bought a newspaper in a decade so must’ve been a while ago..
The same hpv that is linked to cervical cancer has been linked to a rise in mouth and throat cancer. IIRC the magic number is 4. If you’ve had more than 4 oral sex partners in your life then chances are you carry this virus and are at increased risk.  The risk is still v small though.
Not all hpv’s cause warts and iirc the one linked to this doesn’t.
All girls have been immunised against this for a couple of decades now and I think boys get the vaccine too. Just us old cunts that are fucked.. ☹️

Most hpv passes out of your body within two years. It can stay in your system for longer (when it does this then that is when there is a chance of cancer caused by the HPV) but it is rare for men to have hpv in their system longer than two years. I think it all comes down on how well and adapted is your immune system to flush the virus out.

[Doc Holliday]

This is fairly *old news*..

This is very old news. This was a topic of interest to me at least 15 years ago and before I retired. I have posted on here before about it years ago.

The original article linked to has a somewhat sensational headline with the comparison with cervical cancer, but doesn't really point out that cervical cancer is now a very rare cancer in the UK and will hopefully become even rarer as a result of that (but see later)

Mouth and 'throat' cancer is more common than cervical cancer but is still relatively rare and much less common than many others and for us men Prostate cancer is of much greater significance.

However the frightening statistic is the rate of increase of mouth and oropharyngeal cancer over the last 20 years, which is a staggering 103%. Most other cancers have either declined or remained stable. Mouth and throat cancers have always been considered lifestyle cancers and smoking is still the number one cause together with alcohol. There is some evidence of a familial disposition but this is not significant.

The reasons for this huge increase are not fully understood or explained but HPV is suggested as the culprit. It is believed that around 75% of those cancers affecting the oropharynx are HPV related but overall with mouth and throat cancer, tobacco is still the leading risk factor but the gap is closing.

Exposure to HPV is primarily due to oral sex, so the more exposure you have with multiple different partners increases you chances of contracting it but most of us will have come into contact with it. As others have said in most instances our body will clear it, but for some it struggle to do so and it leaves cells damaged and prone to cancerous changes. Once again this is not fully understood why this happens in some and not others and there are no predictors of who may be vulnerable. There may be a genetic predisposition?

Dentists are indeed best placed to screen for this and pick it up at an early stage and indeed they nave been doing this for many years, but this is still a rare cancer and a dentist may only detect this perhaps a couple of times in their career. Some never. Early detection as always generally links to a better survival rate, but the other aspect of this cancer is the location can have a huge effect on quality of life.

The other twist in the tail is that those cases where HPV is linked tend to have a better prognosis.

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Finally regarding the HPV vaccine this has been shown to be extremely effective and later versions cover HPV related to mouth and throat cancers, but after a good start vaccination has stalled and we have failed to reach the 90% figure to achieve herd immunity. During Covid the programme was disrupted, but also the negative impact of Covid vaccination is making many parents wary of other vaccinations. A case of watch this space?

[Mr Sinister]

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Take it from the guy who probably slept with tens of thousands of women

[Doc Holliday]

I believe that there is a greater chance of getting HIV rather than High risk hpv that can cause cancer through oral sex. The chance of getting HIV through oral sex is very slim but i think the chance of getting cancer through oral sex is even slimmer.

That's an interesting and difficult comparison. HIV transmission via oral sex is considered almost zero (but impossible to verify) whereas HPV transmission via oral sex is considered high. Of course HPV transmission by all sexual activity is extremely high but of no significant health consequence for most people.

However if you base the comparison on figures and outcomes then there are around 3000 new HIV diagnoses per year in the UK compared to at least three times more for mouth and throat cancer, but not all of those are HPV related. Whilst both are still classed as rare the real difference though is the outcome with treatment and if I had a choice of which I succumbed to, it would be HIV by some margin.

[Doc Holliday]

If you are under 45, get the HPV vaccine. Free on the NHS if you have sex with men.

If you are under 45 and are only just embarking on a sexual adventure with multiple partners there may be some minor benefit, but for most it is a case of "after the horse has bolted" 

The vaccine success depends on youngsters receiving it before they have any sexual history.

[Doc Holliday]

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Take it from the guy who probably slept with tens of thousands of women

Inevitably we arrive at Michael Douglas 

[Doc Holliday]

Only girl getting oral is one i know is clean. IE a partner that too after testing

What?

[Punting2022]

What?

Escorts can carry hidden diseases etc. Best to just use a condom on them.

[puntingking]

Escorts can carry hidden diseases etc. Best to just use a condom on them.

I think you are more likely to catch something having sex with a civie than a escort. Escorts are some of the most hygenic, bang tidy and disease free individuals. 


it is a misconception that escorts will increase your risk of catching anything nasty. Bet to not confused escorts with prostitutes as they are different. 

[Jonestown]

Bet to not confused escorts with prostitutes as they are different. 

Could you clarify that remark, please ?

[Punting2022]

I think you are more likely to catch something having sex with a civie than a escort. Escorts are some of the most hygenic, bang tidy and disease free individuals. 


it is a misconception that escorts will increase your risk of catching anything nasty. Bet to not confused escorts with prostitutes as they are different. 

Escorts take money for sex. Prostitutes take money for sex.
Any individual that takes money for sex is prostitution. Escorts are just glorified prosses

[PepeMAGA]

Could you clarify that remark, please ?

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[puntingking]

Could you clarify that remark, please ?

prossies are generally protect themselves less when it comes to stis and stds. They just sell sex to fund their bad habits. They are generally more dirty than escorts and the wider public as they tend to have less self worth and so don't value health precautions and don't value their own health needs.

They won't go for sexual health screenings and they tend to not enjoy what they do as they only do it to fund their habits. I only see escorts as I know they look after themselves, I would get a better service and more importantly I don't want to see anyone in this industry who doesn't want to be the industry.
Escorts generally enjoy what they do, they charge more because escorts offer a service whereas prossies offer a quick release only.

Prossies need charitable help to help them leave the industry whereas escorts are choosing to enter the industry as they do generally enjoy their job. They are professional in what they do.

Escorts see sex work as a career while prossies see it as a way to fund drug  habits.

[puntingking]

Escorts take money for sex. Prostitutes take money for sex.
Any individual that takes money for sex is prostitution. Escorts are just glorified prosses

It's not that black & white. Some escorts would be offended if the wider public sees them as a prostitute.

The dictionary defines prostitution as -a person, in particular a woman, who engages in sexual activity for payment.

But escorts don't just engage in sexual activity for payment. They are selling a more personal service. whether is gfe or pse it is normally catering for their clients wishes and desires. Where as each time a prossie sees someone for payment for sex everyone of their customer will get the same basic sexual services not including the customer individual needs. Prossies offer a general basic service and one that is not personalize to the customer own wishes and desires. 

[sparkus]

I think you are more likely to catch something having sex with a civie than a escort. Escorts are some of the most hygenic, bang tidy and disease free individuals. 


it is a misconception that escorts will increase your risk of catching anything nasty. Bet to not confused escorts with prostitutes as they are different. 

Erm, you can also catch nasty and weird things from civvies. I've heard of it quite often.
If you're on here then you're someone who generally has sex with varied women a lot of the time.
If you meet a woman via a dating app and she readily agrees to sex on the first date (or even initiates it) then the chances are you're the latest in a long line.

Why on earth would you try to change terms, names etc as some kind of theoretical barrier or shield?

[Doc Holliday]

Bizzare? It really doesn't matter how you want to classify prostitutes/civvies etc. If sex is involved a risk is posed. In the case of this particular thread the risk is HPV. Condoms and dental dams are of limited benefit in reducing transmission.

More specifically this is about men giving oral sex. It doesn't really matter if you have spent an hour wining and dining, engaging in intelligent conversation, showering together, kissing and cuddling etc, if you then dine out at her lady bits you are at equal risk as the person who skips the first part. The more often you do this in your lifetime the risk increases. If you smoke and drink alcohol even more so.

EDIT Just to add, unlike many STI's how often people are tested is of no relevance to HPV mouth and throat cancer either.

[pantywetter]

It's not that black & white. Some escorts would be offended if the wider public sees them as a prostitute.

The dictionary defines prostitution as -a person, in particular a woman, who engages in sexual activity for payment.

But escorts don't just engage in sexual activity for payment. They are selling a more personal service. whether is gfe or pse it is normally catering for their clients wishes and desires. Where as each time a prossie sees someone for payment for sex everyone of their customer will get the same basic sexual services not including the customer individual needs. Prossies offer a general basic service and one that is not personalize to the customer own wishes and desires.

What a load of nonsense. 

If you get paid for sex it’s the same whatever you call it and wether or not they share a glass of wine with you before you get to stick it in your chosen hole.

At the “bottom end” of the market there is possibly more likely to be health issues and less checks, but that’s obvious.

I have never caught anything from approximately 1000 paid encounters, but did from 2 of very few one night stands.  I think that the average hooker is way more careful than the average civvvy.

[daviemac]

It's not that black & white. Some escorts would be offended if the wider public sees them as a prostitute.

The dictionary defines prostitution as -a person, in particular a woman, who engages in sexual activity for payment.

But escorts don't just engage in sexual activity for payment. They are selling a more personal service. whether is gfe or pse it is normally catering for their clients wishes and desires. Where as each time a prossie sees someone for payment for sex everyone of their customer will get the same basic sexual services not including the customer individual needs. Prossies offer a general basic service and one that is not personalize to the customer own wishes and desires.

We get some utter bollocks posted on here sometimes, 

There's nothing more to say really other than it's unbelievable how so far wrong you are, in fact I would go so far as to say you have absolutely no clue at all about the sex industry and if I were you I give up on the subject, you aren't doing yourself any favours.

Escort agencies get prosecuted under prostitutions laws.

In any case not really relevant to the topic of the thread.

[sparkus]

What a load of nonsense. 

If you get paid for sex it’s the same whatever you call it and wether or not they share a glass of wine with you before you get to stick it in your chosen hole.

At the “bottom end” of the market there is possibly more likely to be health issues and less checks, but that’s obvious.

I have never caught anything from approximately 1000 paid encounters, but did from 2 of very few one night stands.  I think that the average hooker is way more careful than the average civvvy.

Perhaps there's different kinds of punters as well?

[Doc Holliday]

Perhaps there's different kinds of punters as well?

Such as realists and deluded?

[Boristheboy]

prossies are generally protect themselves less when it comes to stis and stds. They just sell sex to fund their bad habits. They are generally more dirty than escorts and the wider public as they tend to have less self worth and so don't value health precautions and don't value their own health needs.

They won't go for sexual health screenings and they tend to not enjoy what they do as they only do it to fund their habits. I only see escorts as I know they look after themselves, I would get a better service and more importantly I don't want to see anyone in this industry who doesn't want to be the industry.
Escorts generally enjoy what they do, they charge more because escorts offer a service whereas prossies offer a quick release only.

Prossies need charitable help to help them leave the industry whereas escorts are choosing to enter the industry as they do generally enjoy their job. They are professional in what they do.

Escorts see sex work as a career while prossies see it as a way to fund drug  habits.

How on earth are you "Punting King" with ideas like that?

[Lou2019]

It's not that black & white. Some escorts would be offended if the wider public sees them as a prostitute.

The dictionary defines prostitution as -a person, in particular a woman, who engages in sexual activity for payment.

But escorts don't just engage in sexual activity for payment. They are selling a more personal service. whether is gfe or pse it is normally catering for their clients wishes and desires. Where as each time a prossie sees someone for payment for sex everyone of their customer will get the same basic sexual services not including the customer individual needs. Prossies offer a general basic service and one that is not personalize to the customer own wishes and desires.

What are you talking about  prossies, escort, hoe, brass, hooker, courtesan it’s all one of the same fella. I don’t know where you got that nonsense from but it gave me a laugh

[Lou2019]

How on earth are you "Punting King" with ideas like that?

It’s hilarious and a load of crap

[puntingking]

How on earth are you "Punting King" with ideas like that?

its my thoughts. I am punting king because thats my name on here. I doubt your Boris 

[puntingking]

It’s hilarious and a load of crap

I think these escorts would agree with me -
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[Lou2019]

You can dress it up as much as you like, it still equates to the same thing, selling sex. You are making yourself, dare I say, look a bit daft to be honest.