Snooker & Just Stop Oil

[CanOfRedBull]

Does the just stop oil protest at the world snooker yesterday make you more or less supportive of their cause?

Snooker isn’t like formula 1 is it,  you really couldn’t have a more eco friendly sport than snooker.   

Just stop oil say that they need the exposure to highlight their cause and bring attention to what burning oil is doing to the world, but really. 

Surely they have not won anyone over and no doubt just made people more angry.  Who’s to say that they won’t try it again today and tomorrow, etc.

[shaft10]

So they've got peoples (and yours) attention ... is that not job done

[QQwerty]

Cover themselves in petrol and lighting it would be more attention grabbing, and be one less of the twats thinking they have a divine right to damage or cause issues to other people.

[Stevelondon]

So they've got peoples (and yours) attention ... is that not job done

Yes it is. But I don’t think that is what CoRB is asking.

[Watts.E.Dunn]

So what if they did stop Oil, how do they think food would get to their dinner table?, it dosent grow and transport itself bloody idiots!

[mr.bluesky]

So what if they did stop Oil, how do they think food would get to their dinner table?, it dosent grow and transport itself bloody idiots!

Yeah the tosspots don't think of these things

[jackdaw]

Yeah the tosspots don't think of these things

In a significant number of cases they do things in their own life, that they would like to stop others doing. (e.g. They fly to various places on holiday, have cars, etc)

[hornypunter]

Alienates me. No time for them or their cause.

[Blackpool Rock]

Alienates me. No time for them or their cause.

Snooker is a fairly safe place for them to do the protest, i'd like to see them turn up and try to disrupt / stop a boxing match or even better MMA, now that really would make some good headlines   

[timsussex]

Cover themselves in petrol and lighting it would be more attention grabbing, and be one less of the twats thinking they have a divine right to damage or cause issues to other people.

but they cant do that as petrol comes from oil and Biodiesel won't work 

[Landscape]

Pair of attention-seeking twunts whose actions have had the effect of alienating more people from their cause. Reckon they never gave it a thought about the oil used in the production of their clothes and the food & drink that they consume, the hypocrites.

[JontyR]

Been confused by some of the discussions I have seen here and elsewhere.

It seems that the protestors seem to be saying we are too reliant on oil.

Many here then counter with "well we are so reliant on oil - what do they think we are going to do??" or "don't they realise we are overly dependent on oil and so they must be using it....hypocrites!!"

I don't think the protestors particular crave my approval. They want to raise awareness and encourage debate. Public opinion can change very quickly and that demand can lead to action being taken. A few years ago it was plastics and plastic packaging. You couldn't not use plastic and you couldn't recycle lots it. A couple of documentaries about the impacts later and viewpoints change. Now less is being used and recycling points are popping up at supermarkets for stuff you cant do in the bins. 

I bet there are TV production companies that will use these protests as an angle when highlighting issues that may not yet have traction with the larger population.

I'm not going to criticise them. They are braver and more committed to their causes than I am. There's plenty striking at the moment, they are causing disruption too.  Those concerned are trying to use what power and influence they have to impact positively at some personal cost.

Understand that people may feel differently. I'm certainly don't think its worth dying on this particular hill.

[PepeMAGA]

Best thing to do is not publicise it at all and press charges.

[akauya]

Been confused by some of the discussions I have seen here and elsewhere.

It seems that the protestors seem to be saying we are too reliant on oil.

Many here then counter with "well we are so reliant on oil - what do they think we are going to do??" or "don't they realise we are overly dependent on oil and so they must be using it....hypocrites!!"

I don't think the protestors particular crave my approval. They want to raise awareness and encourage debate. Public opinion can change very quickly and that demand can lead to action being taken. A few years ago it was plastics and plastic packaging. You couldn't not use plastic and you couldn't recycle lots it. A couple of documentaries about the impacts later and viewpoints change. Now less is being used and recycling points are popping up at supermarkets for stuff you cant do in the bins. 

I bet there are TV production companies that will use these protests as an angle when highlighting issues that may not yet have traction with the larger population.

I'm not going to criticise them. They are braver and more committed to their causes than I am. There's plenty striking at the moment, they are causing disruption too.  Those concerned are trying to use what power and influence they have to impact positively at some personal cost.

Understand that people may feel differently. I'm certainly don't think its worth dying on this particular hill.

Excellent post 

[webpunter]

Best thing to do is not publicise it at all and press charges.

Charges by the CPS
& the event organisers should sue them for costs incurred
They won't given negative publicity
Shame coz they could swamp the tosspots with legal costs
& the organization they're with

Picking snooker FFS 
They should try doing the same in the snooker & pool venues i've been to
Some of the patrons are proper geezers & would beat the shit outta them

The law needs to be tightened up, rapidly
With more severe punishments dished out
Expect to see more security at events
With the security more able to deal with stuff if it arises
Rather than blokes who couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag
Some of the women look more capable

Most of the protestors look like they couldn't make an army if they tried their hardest
Crikey you wouldn't want to go into battle with them lot
Though there would be an upside, the enemy would be laarfing so much i doubt if they could shoot straight
What a disparate bunch of under-achieving losers they are

There were attempts to disrupt the F1 @ Silverstone last year
Difficult to 'police' such a big venue
Spectators are getting wise to protester activities
A bit like a passenger trying to open the door on a plane, see what happens to them
The RedBull fans are known for being aggressive, for once this could be a bonus
The protestors might think twice when they see the prospect of getting a pasting

If the protestors want to make their point at motorsport may i suggest that they pick truck racing at places like Brands
Get themselves on the track during the race
Crack on

[jackdaw]

I'm not going to criticise them. They are braver and more committed to their causes than I am. There's plenty striking at the moment, they are causing disruption too.  Those concerned are trying to use what power and influence they have to impact positively at some personal cost.

Understand that people may feel differently. I'm certainly don't think its worth dying on this particular hill.

You don’t think they have any responsibility to try to think of effective ways of protesting that minimise disruption to other people’s life? Or try to live lifestyles that effectively they want to encourage others to move to?

Certainly for me some protesters “cross the line”….an example would be the ones that blocked a road and wouldn’t let ambulances through.

[mr.bluesky]

Best thing to do is not publicise it at all and press charges.

Yes these muppets thrive on publicity, deny them any publicity and they are fighting a lost cause. Using a sporting scenario as an example when pitch invaders run on to the pitch at football matches the TV cameras used to zoom in on them. Not anymore.  Now you only know this has happened because the game stops and the commentator mentions it

[radioman33]

I think they gonna do the London marathon at the weekend disrupting it

[PumpDump]

What I want to know is why do the media give them the publicity? Any other form of protest is ignored. If someone runs on field at a premier league game, the camera always switches to a different view, the commentators will usually say nothing or say play has been interrupted by a protestor, but they will never say what the protest is about. However with just stop oil, the media give them endless free publicity.

[StingRay]

What I want to know is why do the media give them the publicity? Any other form of protest is ignored. If someone runs on field at a premier league game, the camera always switches to a different view, the commentators will usually say nothing or say play has been interrupted by a protestor, but they will never say what the protest is about. However with just stop oil, the media give them endless free publicity.

Glad they showed it when Erica Rowe ran on at Twickers, mind you that was 40 years ago!

[PumpDump]

Glad they showed it when Erica Rowe ran on at Twickers, mind you that was 40 years ago!

Just googled it! What a pair 

[JontyR]

Certainly for me some protesters “cross the line”….an example would be the ones that blocked a road and wouldn’t let ambulances through.

You can use the same argument about strikers. Like, for instance, I dunno...Ambulance drivers?

[advent2016]

Cover themselves in petrol and lighting it would be more attention grabbing....

That would be counterproductive. Petrol is produced from oil, and they want to stop oil being produced.

I thought the protest was quite well conceived. Instant syndication everywhere and no lasting damage that a brush and a vacuum cleaner couldn't solve.

[akauya]

You don’t think they have any responsibility to try to think of effective ways of protesting that minimise disruption to other people’s life? Or try to live lifestyles that effectively they want to encourage others to move to?

Certainly for me some protesters “cross the line”….an example would be the ones that blocked a road and wouldn’t let ambulances through.

I don't know if you are blindingly regurgitating the lies that right wing media spout or you are purposely posting something that's clearly false.

From Extintion Rebellion themselves:
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"...Extinction Rebellion insisted that it has always been XR’s policy to allow emergency vehicles through protests. Police Liaison coordinator and ex-policeman, Paul Stephens said: “This ‘blue light’ policy is designed into each action and we clear the road to facilitate genuine emergency responses.”

[...]  Letting through emergency vehicles is a matter of routine. Alex said: “We move aside for flashing lights and sirens – ambulances, fire engines, paramedics – even for police cars that might just be messing with us. We even let through undercover cars!’

So where does the criticism of our reputation, much repeated, for obstructing emergency vehicles come from? Paul Stephens says the police sometimes use this ‘fact’ to our detriment: “The Met often communicate with London Fire Brigade and London Ambulance service and express concern about disruption without mentioning our blue light policy and use it as grounds for a Section 14.”

The source of the stories may go back to one occasion in 2019 at Lambeth Bridge when reporter Guido Fawkes filmed an ambulance with a siren and light unable to get through. On that occasion, it was due to police blocking in protestors.

[...]  “When choosing sites for actions we consider access to nearby hospitals and fire station and, if necessary, consult first. We try to avoid proximity to such sites.

“For infrastructure such as lock-ons, tripods, beacons, boats and buses, moving aside will not be possible, but we try to place these with enough space around them to allow emergency vehicles to squeeze past.”
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It was painful but I managed to get past hundreds of articles from mainstream media all reporting how XR were blocking emergency vehicles, but were they really saying that? If you read properly some of those articles don't actually say the blockage of emergency vehicles was on purpose but the way they were written give the impression that XR were purposely blocking ambulances, etc.

It always pays to engage in a bit of critical thinking before we start believing whatever 'journalists' are saying, that goes for any journalist, from the right, the left, middle, etc.

I expect now a barrage of replies telling me I'm stupid for believing the lies from XR, that they really, really block ambulances on purpose.

[standardpostage]

These people, are just, spoil-sports !

[jackdaw]

I don't know if you are blindingly regurgitating the lies that right wing media spout or you are purposely posting something that's clearly false.

From Extintion Rebellion themselves:
External Link/Members Only

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"...Extinction Rebellion insisted that it has always been XR’s policy to allow emergency vehicles through protests. Police Liaison coordinator and ex-policeman, Paul Stephens said: “This ‘blue light’ policy is designed into each action and we clear the road to facilitate genuine emergency responses.”

[...]  Letting through emergency vehicles is a matter of routine. Alex said: “We move aside for flashing lights and sirens – ambulances, fire engines, paramedics – even for police cars that might just be messing with us. We even let through undercover cars!’

So where does the criticism of our reputation, much repeated, for obstructing emergency vehicles come from? Paul Stephens says the police sometimes use this ‘fact’ to our detriment: “The Met often communicate with London Fire Brigade and London Ambulance service and express concern about disruption without mentioning our blue light policy and use it as grounds for a Section 14.”

The source of the stories may go back to one occasion in 2019 at Lambeth Bridge when reporter Guido Fawkes filmed an ambulance with a siren and light unable to get through. On that occasion, it was due to police blocking in protestors.

[...]  “When choosing sites for actions we consider access to nearby hospitals and fire station and, if necessary, consult first. We try to avoid proximity to such sites.

“For infrastructure such as lock-ons, tripods, beacons, boats and buses, moving aside will not be possible, but we try to place these with enough space around them to allow emergency vehicles to squeeze past.”
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It was painful but I managed to get past hundreds of articles from mainstream media all reporting how XR were blocking emergency vehicles, but were they really saying that? If you read properly some of those articles don't actually say the blockage of emergency vehicles was on purpose but the way they were written give the impression that XR were purposely blocking ambulances, etc.

It always pays to engage in a bit of critical thinking before we start believing whatever 'journalists' are saying, that goes for any journalist, from the right, the left, middle, etc.

I expect now a barrage of replies telling me I'm stupid for believing the lies from XR, that they really, really block ambulances on purpose.

I heard it on BBC radio 5, which hardly counts as right wing media does it?

And it was an interview with one of the protesters, and she made it plain she had delayed an ambulance. Was she an high level Extinction Rebellion leader? I honestly don’t know.

What on Earth makes you think I’d deliberately lie on a chat site? Is it the sort of thing you do yourself?

[PumpDump]

I don't know if you are blindingly regurgitating the lies that right wing media spout or you are purposely posting something that's clearly false.

From Extintion Rebellion themselves:
External Link/Members Only

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"...Extinction Rebellion insisted that it has always been XR’s policy to allow emergency vehicles through protests. Police Liaison coordinator and ex-policeman, Paul Stephens said: “This ‘blue light’ policy is designed into each action and we clear the road to facilitate genuine emergency responses.”

[...]  Letting through emergency vehicles is a matter of routine. Alex said: “We move aside for flashing lights and sirens – ambulances, fire engines, paramedics – even for police cars that might just be messing with us. We even let through undercover cars!’

So where does the criticism of our reputation, much repeated, for obstructing emergency vehicles come from? Paul Stephens says the police sometimes use this ‘fact’ to our detriment: “The Met often communicate with London Fire Brigade and London Ambulance service and express concern about disruption without mentioning our blue light policy and use it as grounds for a Section 14.”

The source of the stories may go back to one occasion in 2019 at Lambeth Bridge when reporter Guido Fawkes filmed an ambulance with a siren and light unable to get through. On that occasion, it was due to police blocking in protestors.

[...]  “When choosing sites for actions we consider access to nearby hospitals and fire station and, if necessary, consult first. We try to avoid proximity to such sites.

“For infrastructure such as lock-ons, tripods, beacons, boats and buses, moving aside will not be possible, but we try to place these with enough space around them to allow emergency vehicles to squeeze past.”
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It was painful but I managed to get past hundreds of articles from mainstream media all reporting how XR were blocking emergency vehicles, but were they really saying that? If you read properly some of those articles don't actually say the blockage of emergency vehicles was on purpose but the way they were written give the impression that XR were purposely blocking ambulances, etc.

It always pays to engage in a bit of critical thinking before we start believing whatever 'journalists' are saying, that goes for any journalist, from the right, the left, middle, etc.

I expect now a barrage of replies telling me I'm stupid for believing the lies from XR, that they really, really block ambulances on purpose.

Regardless of what they say, if there are a group of people blocking a busy road, there will be a build up of traffic at a standstill which inevitably will delay or block emergency vehicles either at the point they are blocking the road, or further down the road.

[yandex]

Our nation has a long and venerable tradition of protests. Some more effective and popular than others and some of which have come to be regarded as historically more meaningful that felt at the time - Suffragettes, the Kinder Mass Trespass, the Poll Tax protests and any number of Greenpeace stunts. Most of them have usually been opposed by a vocal and well organised establishment response.

The reality is that protest usually has to be disruptive in order to achieve the kind of publicity protestors want. Unfortunately we live in an age where meaningful debate is stifled, either by the media barons or the countless trolls and bots shutting down and attacking at every opportunity.

Let's face it, if Dicky Attenborough can't get the final episode of his excellent recent series shown on mainstream TV because it raised uncomfortable truths about our countryside, then where else is there to go but Tangoing a snooker table.

Good luck to anyone willing to raise a voice, as long as it doesn't harm anyone.

[badsin]

Oil is a necessity for life.
What alternatives do these characters propose? Even wind turbines contain oil and various other lubricants to keep them operational, bar human extinction, or returning to living in caves what are their alternatives?
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[Blackpool Rock]

Oil is a necessity for life.
What alternatives do these characters propose? Even wind turbines contain oil and various other lubricants to keep them operational, bar human extinction, or returning to living in caves what are their alternatives?
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This is the problem they say stop ABC but there isn't a realistic option of stopping over night, there are moves to reduce our reliance on oil however this appears to be gaining momentum as a result of realising we are over reliant on Putin etc for energy.

In some instances alternatives to things like oil can be obtained from plant based materials eg sugar cane can be used to make plastic rather than extracted oil and then you have bio fuels etc however the problem then arises how you grow enough crops to feed the demand for oil while ensuring that the world doesn't end up starving.

Part of the problem here is that the world is over populated, too many people all using dwindling natural resources however it doesn't get mentioned as it's not PC for Western countries to tell developing countries to stop having 10 kids each 

[badsin]

Yep, the world is over populated, currently.
However the forecasts predict a large population decline, soon. Particularly China, fur to their previous one child policies.
Even the UK, has massive population decline. More older folks, and fewer youngster's to work and pay the old folks pensions.
There are some great project's going on at the moment regards re-greening deserts etc.
We should also consider, bringing back hemp as a major crop (globally) it's great for capturing carbon in the earth (soil) and produces, food, fuel and fibre.  Up until the 1920's was one of the largest crops grown in the US. The petrochemical industry put an end to that.

These 'protesters' need to sell a viable alternative, to gain support. Other than that their just a pain in the arse.

[badsin]

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[snoopy]

Nice arse on the referee for Lisowski vs McGill

[mr.bluesky]

Nice arse on the referee for Lisowski vs McGill

Am I missing something here. What's that got to do with snooker and just stop oil protest . Shouldn't it be on the boxing thread or have you been on the sherry  or wacky backy 

[David1970]

Am I missing something here. What's that got to do with snooker and just stop oil protest . Shouldn't it be on the boxing thread or have you been on the sherry  or wacky backy 

I believe Lisowski vs McGill are professional snooker players.

[mr.bluesky]

I believe Lisowski vs McGill are professional snooker players.

  just goes to show my lack of snooker knowledge.  A sport I have no interest in. I realised after I posted it that maybe she was a snooker ref . Should have engaged brain before posting 

[David1970]

just goes to show my lack of snooker knowledge.  A sport I have no interest in. I realised after I posted it that maybe she was a snooker ref . Should have engaged brain before posting 

Do be honest I had to goggle there names, so you are not alone.

[standardpostage]

They need to be tarred and feathered. The protester's that is.

[mr.bluesky]

Do be honest I had to goggle there names, so you are not alone.

Something I should have done before posting my reply