Author Topic: No new smart motorways  (Read 1182 times)

Offline Blackpool Rock

Reading the article it does indicate to me that proposed new smart motorways are being shelved more to save money than to improve safety but thank fuck they are looking to put in the necessary safety features such as refuges to the existing ones

I'm not aware of anyone who actually likes these things  :unknown:

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Offline mr.bluesky

Common sense has finally prevailed but for the wrong reason  . :yahoo:

Offline standardpostage

Dumb motorways, are a lot smarter, and safer, than smart motorways.

Maybe all smart motorways, should have a maximum speed of 50 MPH, due to their inherent danger / risk factor ?

Offline threechilliman

Dumb motorways, are a lot smarter, and safer, than smart motorways.

Maybe all smart motorways, should have a maximum speed of 50 MPH, due to their inherent danger / risk factor ?

In the NW most of 'em already do, even when empty!

Offline mr.bluesky

Dumb motorways, are a lot smarter, and safer, than smart motorways.

Maybe all smart motorways, should have a maximum speed of 50 MPH, due to their inherent danger / risk factor ?
There is only one way for motorways to remain safer and that is to bring back the hard shoulder. You could still get killed at 50mph if you break down on a smart motorway  :unknown:

Offline Backstreetboy

How the Hell can National Highways or whatever it is called today NOT have a duty of care to the public????

And how the hell do you exit a disabled car on the nearside when there's a damned armco blocking both the door and the chance of pulling off the carriageway??

At the best the idiotd who designed and commissioned these things have committed manslaughter!  :dash:

Offline billybobsmith

In the NW most of 'em already do, even when empty!

Always 40mph = 0 to 4mph usually, and 50mph signs up in the Manchester area due to "obstructions in highway", "broken down vehicle", "pedestrians on road", "queue caution" when the "incident" was cleared hours beforehand or there's 4 cars on the road at 3am that are apparently causing the queues.

Most issues are due to poor driving. Speeding, zig zagging in and out of traffic and the inability to stay between 2 white lines.

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How the Hell can National Highways or whatever it is called today NOT have a duty of care to the public????

And how the hell do you exit a disabled car on the nearside when there's a damned armco blocking both the door and the chance of pulling off the carriageway??

At the best the idiotd who designed and commissioned these things have committed manslaughter!  :dash:

Just a bit of a tangent coming up…

A particular stretch of motorway I use a lot was converted to a smart motorway a few years ago, and yes agree it’s much less safe than it was before.

But the real nightmare period was the period when the stretch was being converted from normal motorway to smart. The lanes left in use were temporarily narrowed. After a few occasions when other vehicles overtaking me left a clearance of a couple of inches, decided not to use at all until conversation finished.
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Offline threechilliman

Always 40mph = 0 to 4mph usually, and 50mph signs up in the Manchester area due to "obstructions in highway", "broken down vehicle", "pedestrians on road", "queue caution" when the "incident" was cleared hours beforehand or there's 4 cars on the road at 3am that are apparently causing the queues.

Most issues are due to poor driving. Speeding, zig zagging in and out of traffic and the inability to stay between 2 white lines.
You forgot animals in the road.  :lol:

Must have seen dozens of these messages in the last few months and only one actually turned out to be a hazard.

Offline welshpunter17

They always should have just built an extra lane or two and kept the hard shoulder.

Probably would have been cheaper too

Offline JontyR

The thing that gets me about the smart motorways was I always thought that they would be actively monitored and managed to maximise flow and react quickly to situations should there be something like an accident or a break down.

However this has never really been the case. The changes to speed when I used were always done by the clock irrespective of the prevailing levels of traffic on that day.

Offline Bonker

Why spend tens of millions on new smart motorways and neglect all the other roads that have become dangerous due to pot holes and other surface damage?

Offline lostandfound

Why spend tens of millions on new smart motorways and neglect all the other roads that have become dangerous due to pot holes and other surface damage?

I don't think Highways England looks after the minor roads. Down to local authorities? Their budgets are stretched by welfare, and that strain is only going to increase.

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The thing that gets me about the smart motorways was I always thought that they would be actively monitored and managed to maximise flow and react quickly to situations should there be something like an accident or a break down.

However this has never really been the case.

It just another example of broken Britain. All about money. Built as a cheaper option but then scrimping even further on the technology needed to make it work. Not enough emergency refuge areas. More money saved. Then not keeping on top of the maintenance of what is already a flawed system.

The final irony is they have been scrapped, not really because of the safety (which has been covered up for years) but to save money.

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They always should have just built an extra lane or two and kept the hard shoulder.

Probably would have been cheaper too

No it wouldn't be easy or cheap. one problem is bridges
Putting a an extra lane under a single bridge can cost £miilions and disrupt both roads for months.  The original bridge was designed for a certain span so might need a complete redesign and replacement

Offline welshpunter17

No it wouldn't be easy or cheap. one problem is bridges
Putting a an extra lane under a single bridge can cost £miilions and disrupt both roads for months.  The original bridge was designed for a certain span so might need a complete redesign and replacement

Probably still cheaper than what's been spent on the smart motorways

Offline Bonker

I don't think Highways England looks after the minor roads. Down to local authorities? Their budgets are stretched by welfare, and that strain is only going to increase.
I believe you're right about the minor roads.
I've seen, and bumped over, pot holes in motorways. There are also strips of corrosion/erosion right across the lanes.

Offline Blackpool Rock

They always should have just built an extra lane or two and kept the hard shoulder.

Probably would have been cheaper too
My understanding is that it costs far more money to retrospectively go back and add an extra lane than to build it with the extra lane to begin with.

Back in Victorian times we seemed to grasp these big projects with a "Can do" style attitude and approach which is why we were world leaders, where did it change to the "It will do" penny pinching non progressive approach  :unknown:

I don't know the figures so may be wildly out but someone once told me that building a 3 lane motorway may cost say £10M / mile but building it 4 lane is only slightly more at say £11M as they often buy up the required land anyway just in case expansion is needed at some point.
My argument is why aren't we automatically building this stuff 5 or 6 lane  :unknown:

I'm aware of a road that was built just over around 35 years ago and was constructed as a combination of 2 and 3 lane rather than duel carriageway as it was "Cheaper"
Even back then everyone was saying how short sighted it was and likely to be dangerous as 40 years before these 3 lane sections with a shared overtaking lane was known as "The coroners corridor"
It's taken them another 35 years to now start upgrading sections to DC but obviously not all of it due to the cost  :dash:

I recall tales of bridges that were going to be built and town bypasses etc during WW2 that are only now just being put into action, back then the Americans were going to build them as they could see they were needed for the war effort and in some cases they just got on with it and got it done.
The plans that didn't happen in time were put on ice for another 50 years or so  :thumbsdown:



Offline Stevelondon

There are roads everywhere nowadays that have sleeping policeman on them……. That have pot holes.