Grand National

[standardpostage]

Grand National. 2023.
Just put a fiver to win on Francky Du Berlais.
100 to 1.
Don't normally gamble "but" I can afford to lose £5.
If I win ! it will go towards my next punt 

[Lou2019]

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[ulstersubbie]

Grand National. 2023.
Just put a fiver to win on Francky Du Berlais.
100 to 1.
Don't normally gamble "but" I can afford to lose £5.
If I win ! it will go towards my next punt 

You should of put a fiver on each way, better chance of getting some money back. Good luck with your horse anyway.   

[mr.bluesky]

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This is unfortunate,  but you will never get the Grand National stopped from being run. Too much money involved.  I bet today is the bookies busiest day of the year. Even folk who have little or no interest in horse racing have a bet on today's race and as a sporting event it is probably shown all over the world  .
I know the height of the fences have been reduced in recent years but you still get fatalities.  Its a sporting event that unfortunately will never be 100% safe. Part of the problem is the high number of entrants taking part in the race 

[puntingking]

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Very sad news.

Anyone who will watch this shite on the telly today and bet on the horses should be ashamed.   

[billybobsmith]

Its a sporting event that unfortunately will never be 100% safe. Part of the problem is the high number of entrants taking part in the race 

I think they should just ditch the jockeys and let the horses run "naturally".  They never seem to have an issue finding the finish line when riderless (well, at in flat racing).
Saves forcing the horses to jump when they might not want to.

But as said in an above post, it's all about money and tv audiences at the end of the day.

[puntingking]

Racecourses With Highest
Number of Deaths in 2022
1. Southwell - 12 deaths
2. Newcastle - 11 deaths
3 jt. Lingfield - 9 deaths
3 jt. Sedgefield - 9 deaths
5 jt. Chelteham - 8 deaths
5 jt. Uttoxeter - 8 deaths
5 jt. Worcester - 8 deaths

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[berksboy]

What these people who like to see horse racing banned dont seem to realise is without racing theses horse would simply not exist. They will not be kept as pets.

[limarasa9]

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Definitely less than the number of animals killed every day in slaughter houses or am I missing something? 

[puntingking]

Definitely less than the number of animals killed every day in slaughter houses or am I missing something? 

your missing the fact that we are not slaughtering them for our entertainment. We may kill animals to eat (we do need protein and meat is the best quantity that we can get)

Horses are dying for our entertainment.

You will also find that I think I am right by saying PETA is advocating for a vegan diet so your missing quiet alot. Also there are thousands of people in this country who advocated for a vegan based diet to stop the slaughter houses.

[puntingking]

What these people who like to see horse racing banned dont seem to realise is without racing theses horse would simply not exist. They will not be kept as pets.

Your point is flawed.  If I was put on this earth to be abused then I would rather not exists

[limarasa9]

We may kill animals to eat.

LOL... This is what I call hypocrisy... So killing of animals to eat is ok but in a race it's not ok... What logic is that???

[berksboy]

They are not abused but looked after very well .

[limarasa9]

They are not abused but looked after very well .

I am sorry but I don't get that logic as well. So if a murderer looks after his victim very well before killing then that's fine 

[berksboy]

I dont get your logic , murder is intentionally killing someone deaths in horse racing are accidents so not remotely the same.

[Lou2019]

I dont get your logic , murder is intentionally killing someone deaths in horse racing are accidents so not remotely the same.

I don’t think you get this thread at all

[Lou2019]

your missing the fact that we are not slaughtering them for our entertainment. We may kill animals to eat (we do need protein and meat is the best quantity that we can get)

Horses are dying for our entertainment.

You will also find that I think I am right by saying PETA is advocating for a vegan diet so your missing quiet alot. Also there are thousands of people in this country who advocated for a vegan based diet to stop the slaughter houses.

 

[David1970]

LOL... This is what I call hypocrisy... So killing of animals to eat is ok but in a race it's not ok... What logic is that???

The horses are dying for fun, the ones in the slaughter houses are for food.

[akauya]

your missing the fact that we are not slaughtering them for our entertainment. We may kill animals to eat (we do need protein and meat is the best quantity that we can get)

Horses are dying for our entertainment.

You will also find that I think I am right by saying PETA is advocating for a vegan diet so your missing quiet alot. Also there are thousands of people in this country who advocated for a vegan based diet to stop the slaughter houses.

 

[standardpostage]

Going by recent bad publicity / accidents, Grand National racecourse, should lower the fences to one metre, and get rid of the ditches ?
Just an idea.

[akauya]

This happened yesterday

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Very sad.

[chrishornx]

Going by recent bad publicity / accidents, Grand National racecourse, should lower the fences to one metre, and get rid of the ditches ?
Just an idea.

the hurdles in racing are higher than that !!

[Liverpool]

3 horses died yesterday.

I think the ITV presenters were very quick to put the boot in on the protesters yesterday and didn't say much at all about those horses that had died or if any were injured.

AP MacCoy and the other Irish ex jockey went on and on about how well horses are looked after. All well and good. Not a word about jockeys carrying whips and being legally allowed to hit horses.

[Squire Haggard]

This happened yesterday

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Very sad.

Indeed. I would like to see it made much safer for the horses.

[daviemac]

Not a word about jockeys carrying whips and being legally allowed to hit horses.

Do you know the rules regarding using a whip and the penalties for breaking them?   

If you had ever ridden a horse you would know at times it's very difficult to hold them back, they want to run.

[Liverpool]

Do you know the rules regarding using a whip and the penalties for breaking them?   

If you had ever ridden a horse you would know at times it's very difficult to hold them back, they want to run.

Can be used 6 times in a flat race and 7 in a jump race. Stewards will review races where the whip has been used too many times and issue suspensions.

If the jockeys are as good as we are led to believe they should be able to control the horse without hitting it. You may well disagree,  but that's my view on horses who are "well looked after".

[daviemac]

Can be used 6 times in a flat race and 7 in a jump race. Stewards will review races where the whip has been used too many times and issue suspensions.

If the jockeys are as good as we are led to believe they should be able to control the horse without hitting it. You may well disagree,  but that's my view on horses who are "well looked after".

Anybody who thinks racehorses aren't well looked after need to think again, in order to give peak performance they have to super fit and for that they need to be healthy, well fed and exercised correctly.

BTW not only are the number of strokes with the whip limited, how hard they hit is as well.

[lewisjones23]

Anybody who thinks racehorses aren't well looked after need to think again, in order to give peak performance they have to super fit and for that they need to be healthy, well fed and exercised correctly.

BTW not only are the number of strokes with the whip limited, how hard they hit is as well.

Racehorses are the second best cared for horses on the planet

The best cared for are the stallions that stand at stud, some with fees north of £250,000 per covering

[tintin100]

your missing the fact that we are not slaughtering them for our entertainment. We may kill animals to eat (we do need protein and meat is the best quantity that we can get)

Horses are dying for our entertainment.

You will also find that I think I am right by saying PETA is advocating for a vegan diet so your missing quiet alot. Also there are thousands of people in this country who advocated for a vegan based diet to stop the slaughter houses.

Horses are being breed for our entertainment and also dying, other animals are being breed and being experimented on for research on drugs. Where do you draw the line ?

[Doc Holliday]

This happened yesterday

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Very sad.

It is sad. I'm a bit of a neutral on this, but reading the replies to the tweet you have linked to, the protesters seem to have somewhat shot themselves in the foot PR wise?

[Liverpool]

Anybody who thinks racehorses aren't well looked after need to think again, in order to give peak performance they have to super fit and for that they need to be healthy, well fed and exercised correctly.

BTW not only are the number of strokes with the whip limited, how hard they hit is as well.

If horses are super fit why do they need the "encouragement" of a whip? The skill of the jockey and how quick a horse is should be all that is needed.
I'm not disagreeing with you about how horses are cared for, just that it sits at odds with the use of a whip and that there was little, if any, acknowledgement regarding those horses that died in the race yesterday.

[lostandfound]

If horses are super fit why do they need the "encouragement" of a whip? The skill of the jockey and how quick a horse is should be all that is needed.
I'm not disagreeing with you about how horses are cared for, just that it sits at odds with the use of a whip and that there was little, if any, acknowledgement regarding those horses that died in the race yesterday.

Horses? It was one that died, was it not?

The trainer of that horse has blamed the protesters for its death, as the interruption to the start that they caused, upset it.

[daviemac]

Horses are being breed for our entertainment and also dying, other animals are being breed and being experimented on for research on drugs. Where do you draw the line ?

There's a world of difference between breeding animals to be experimented on and breeding a race horse.

I am totally against animals used in experiments or even being browbeaten into performing tricks but race horses are extremely well looked after and are bred to do something they enjoy doing, running. The terms 'free rein' and 'reining in' come from horse riding, the former allowing the horse to go at it's own pace and the latter slowing it down.

Yes it's unfortunate when a horse dies but horses can injure themselves when in the field grazing.

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Forgot to add, if a horse didn't want to run it would stop when the jockey fell off but they keep going.

[puntingking]

There's a world of difference between breeding animals to be experimented on and breeding a race horse.

I am totally against animals used in experiments or even being browbeaten into performing tricks but race horses are extremely well looked after and are bred to do something they enjoy doing, running. The terms 'free rein' and 'reining in' come from horse riding, the former allowing the horse to go at it's own pace and the latter slowing it down.

Yes it's unfortunate when a horse dies but horses can injure themselves when in the field grazing.

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Forgot to add, if a horse didn't want to run it would stop when the jockey fell off but they keep going.

Horses actually love running. They don't like jumping over the fences.  I saw the grand national and I could not believe my eyes. 2 of the horses when the jockey fell of they carried on running but went around the fence and not over the fence. (Which was a real eye opener for me)

[puntingking]

Horses are being breed for our entertainment and also dying, other animals are being breed and being experimented on for research on drugs. Where do you draw the line ?

Both are wrong. Why do we have to compare?
Its so imbreded in our culture that we think we are right to continue horses racing.

[puntingking]

This happened yesterday

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Very sad.

 My heart brakes 

[maxQ]

Both are wrong. Why do we have to compare?
Its so imbreded in our culture that we think we are right to continue horses racing.

Is that even a word ?

There is nothing wrong with racing horses, the twats trying to stop the Grand National have nothing better to do, so they latch on to this non issue, they need to give their sad lives some deeper meaning, pathetic really

[WASA38]

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'I am totally against animals used in experiments.'

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Devil's advocacy. Which would you prefer : to have no new medications at all or to be prescribed something which a pharmaceutical company predicts could cure you but which in reality would make your condition worse or indeed kill you ? Or have the state  allow amnesty to be offered to prisoners willing to act as human guinea pigs ? New drugs are surely needed as bugs develop resistance to existing ones.

 It's a desperate dilemma. No one likes animal testing and undoubtedly too much has been carried out in the past, eg  to satisfy burdensome bureaucracy. Thankfully much effort is now going in to alternative in-vitro drug safety tests  and the sooner the better but sadly we're not there yet..

[Watts.E.Dunn]

Is that even a word ?

There is nothing wrong with racing horses, the twats trying to stop the Grand National have nothing better to do, so they latch on to this non issue, they need to give their sad lives some deeper meaning, pathetic really

Yes go tell that to poor old hill sixteen, here one day gone the next well here ealrier on but later:(....

[limarasa9]

My heart brakes 

My heart breaks for all those chickens / pigs / cows / lambs and whatever meat that you eat in the name of fulfilling your protein requirement. My mind boggles with this hypocrisy 

[maxQ]

My heart breaks for all those chickens / pigs / cows / lambs and whatever meat that you eat in the name of fulfilling your protein requirement. My mind boggles with this hypocrisy 

If people were annoyed with battery chicken or veal I might understand, but no, horse racing. Muppets

[Liverpool]

Horses? It was one that died, was it not?

It was 3

[puntingking]

Is that even a word ?

There is nothing wrong with racing horses, the twats trying to stop the Grand National have nothing better to do, so they latch on to this non issue, they need to give their sad lives some deeper meaning, pathetic really

Actually I heared one member of the protest group on the radio earlier and he is a full time doctor and a single dad so I would think he would rather be somewhere else but he explains how he is protest to defend the voiceless. 

[puntingking]

If people were annoyed with battery chicken or veal I might understand, but no, horse racing. Muppets

The protest group are also vegans so they are practicing what they preach.  So maybe you understand now? 

[lostandfound]

It was 3

That was across the festival as a whole, not the big race.

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[Liverpool]

That was across the festival as a whole, not the big race.

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[puntingking]

My heart breaks for all those chickens / pigs / cows / lambs and whatever meat that you eat in the name of fulfilling your protein requirement. My mind boggles with this hypocrisy 

And yet you are being sarcastic when 3 horses has died. Bad taste isn't?

Maybe there should be a new sport called "people racing" where those who are pro horse racing should be put in a race and jump over big fences that if they don't make the jump they could die 

[puntingking]

That was across the festival as a whole, not the big race.

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That makes it alright then 

More than  50 horses has died this year after racing.

[maxQ]

The protest group are also vegans so they are practicing what they preach.  So maybe you understand now? 

Not really, nobody in the UK watching the Grand National eats Horse meat, its a pity the Horse died, but that was the first bad day this particular Horse ever had, and its death in the end was quick, Horses in the wild have it far worse

[lostandfound]

That makes it alright then 

More than  50 horses has died this year after racing.

And the reaction of most people will be to shrug their shoulders.

The group responsible for yesterday's protest, Animal Rising / Animal Rebellion want all meat eating banned?

On which basis most people would regard them as nutters.