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[threechilliman]

I were just watching that thinking FFS. Highlighted by the beeb of course, a story just up their street.

[Charlie Chalk]

It’s a pop song, the lyrics to the vast majority aren’t particularly deep, meaningful or literal.

The vast majority of people won’t have a clue as to the verse lyrics. Of the relatively small number who do, most won’t care. Of the small minority who do, most won’t be upset or offended. We’re left with a tiny minority who are being pandered to.

Of course, it actually has nothing whatsoever to do with people being actually offended and everything to do with the WRU furiously backpedaling and now over-compensating for the sake of a few meaningless cheap headlines and Twitter likes.

[DastardlyDick]

I have to say, I wasn't aware that it had anything to do with a murder, it's just a song FFS!
Just to show my age, there was a horror film - I think called "Zombie Dawn" or something - manyl years ago where a girl was "raped" by some trees - next thing, seeing that film was being advanced as a defence for real rapists "he was influenced by the scene in the film". Really? What a load of old bowlocks!

[bigden40]

I have to say, I wasn't aware that it had anything to do with a murder, it's just a song FFS!
Just to show my age, there was a horror film - I think called "Zombie Dawn" or something - manyl years ago where a girl was "raped" by some trees - next thing, seeing that film was being advanced as a defence for real rapists "he was influenced by the scene in the film". Really? What a load of old bowlocks!

Sounds like Evil Dead.

[mr.bluesky]

For anyone who follows Rugby will know the Welsh Rugby Union has come under fire recently with allegations of misogyny , sexism , racism and homophobia so they think they are now  doing the right thing by banning a song that has been sung by Welsh Rugby fans for ages. All they are doing is digging a deeper pit for themselves.  It is a bit like telling England Rugby fans to stop singing Swing low sweet chariot. Misguided wokeism

[Ghost89]

Sounds like Evil Dead.

Definitely The Evil Dead. The sequel was Dead by dawn which was maybe what was meant. 

[JontyR]

Urgh! What a story. Not sure anyone wins here.

Like probably many others here I have sung along drunkenly to this at various points in my life. I've never really considered the words. Heck I'm not sure I even know the whole of the words. But you look them up and it is pretty route one.

I saw the light on the night that I passed by her window
I saw the flickering shadows of love on her blind
She was my woman
As she deceived me, I watched and went out of my mind

My, my, my, Delilah
Why, why, why, Delilah
I could see, that girl was no good for me
But I was lost like a slave that no man could free

At break of day when that man drove away, I was waiting
I crossed the street to her house and she opened the door
She stood there laughing
I felt the knife in my hand and she laughed no more

My, my, my, Delilah
Why, why, why, Delilah
So before they come to break down the door
Forgive me Delilah, I just couldn't take anymore

She stood there laughing
I felt the knife in my hand and she laughed no more

My, my, my, Delilah
Why, why, why, Delilah
So before they come to break down the door
Forgive me, Delilah, I just couldn't take anymore
Forgive me, Delilah, I just couldn't take anymore

Pretty grim when laid out like that. In fact if they were being sung by someone who looked like Osama Bin Laden rather than Tom Jones I'd be horrified at what was seemingly a glorification of an honour killing.

I'd class it as distasteful, but relatively harmless, in fact I reckon more harm has been done in the short term by highlighting it.

Still I'm not an incel. They may view the lyrics and message much more seriously than I

[akauya]

Pretty grim when laid out like that. In fact if they were being sung by someone who looked like Osama Bin Laden rather than Tom Jones I'd be horrified at what was seemingly a glorification of an honour killing.

I don't think I've ever sung Delilah (or any song for that matter as I dislike inflicting distress on people) but the lyrics are pretty grim indeed. Never realised it was about femicide.

I'd love to see the woke despising people (is there a word for opposite of woke? Sleep-walking? Answers on a postcard please) outrage of Osama Bin laden types singing a song like that. The Daily Mail would have a field day.   

[JontyR]

I don't think I've ever sung Delilah (or any song for that matter as I dislike inflicting distress on people) but the lyrics are pretty grim indeed. Never realised it was about femicide.

I'd love to see the woke despising people (is there a word for opposite of woke? Sleep-walking? Answers on a postcard please) outrage of Osama Bin laden types singing a song like that. The Daily Mail would have a field day.   

Afghan Cricket fans singing it in the Hollis stand at an ODI!!

[nwluvit]

Crime of passion.
There, that's solved.
Now all you wokey's leave us real men to sing Swing Low sweet Chariot.

I imagine there are many more songs out there even worse and sports fans - football, cricket and Rugby are good at changing lyrics to suit there own teams.

[myothernameis]

Dont know if anyone was watching bbc question time, and was getting heated arguments

One thing that got heated, was the gender bill, and transgender persons.  A question was asked about Isla Bryson, on what sex this person was, Male or Female.  At this point none of the panel could answer this, now how hard is this to answer

[bigden40]

Dont know if anyone was watching bbc question time, and was getting heated arguments

One thing that got heated, was the gender bill, and transgender persons.  A question was asked about Isla Bryson, on what sex this person was, Male or Female.  At this point none of the panel could answer this, now how hard is this to answer

It’s won’t answer rather than can’t answer.

[silverspoon]

Wokism get right out of hand now,do we ban "I dont like monday's" because it tells us a story.

Oh and Delilah was a grass,

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[mr.bluesky]

Wokism get right out of hand now,do we ban "I dont like monday's" because it tells us a story.



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A good point especially as this song was written after a real life shooting in America. When asked why she did it the girl replied "I don't like mondays" ( Brenda Ann Spencer)

[JontyR]

A good point especially as this song was written after a real life shooting in America. When asked why she did it the girl replied "I don't like mondays" ( Brenda Ann Spencer)

It's not sung as a first person narrative though is it?

[Colston36]

Never had the vaguest idea what the lyrics were about. Not unusual, though.

[mr.bluesky]

It's not sung as a first person narrative though is it?

No, but I don't like mondays is still a song about mass killing. Delilah is purely fictional.  Do you ban books if they have killing in them, do you ban films if they show killing   so why ban a song because of its lyrics The song has been about since 1968 but only now are snowflakes finding it offensive. 

[PepeMAGA]

is it not just because its a catchy chorus sang by a welshman?
how many fans join in/know all the lyrics anyway?

[silverspoon]

 

Never had the vaguest idea what the lyrics were about. Not unusual, though.

[mr.bluesky]

is it not just because its a catchy chorus sang by a welshman?
how many fans join in/know all the lyrics anyway?

He's made a good living off the back of it.

[mr.bluesky]

Never had the vaguest idea what the lyrics were about. Not unusual, though.

A man goes to his doctors and says " Doctor I keep thinking I'm Tom Jones" the doctor replies " it's not unusual "   

[Stevelondon]

A man goes to his doctors and says " Doctor I keep thinking I'm Tom Jones" the doctor replies " it's not unusual "   

It is to be loved by everyone though 

[DastardlyDick]

It’s won’t answer rather than can’t answer.

I had to look up this Isla Bryson person, and I can see why the woke community have trouble answering that question, as whatever they say is bound to "offend" half of their so called "friends". 😂 It used to be the case that, If you were born with a cock, you were male for life even if you have it removed.
 I often wonder why the woke go around trying to make life unnecessarily difficult by almost constantly moving the goalposts. To give an example, the term "queer" could be used as an insult when I was a teen implying that (mainly a male) a person was a homosexual which was considered to be a "bad" thing. Now, some people are falling over themselves to be labelled "queer"!
A lot of this woke shite is not about actually being "offended" by a thing, most of them couldn't care less, but it can be used to advance your personal agenda, particularly in the workplace  - you have a rival for promotion? Get that rival labelled as a sexist, racist, etc etc and "bingo!" the jobs yours (unless they get you " labelled" first, of course).

[JontyR]

No, but I don't like mondays is still a song about mass killing. Delilah is purely fictional.  Do you ban books if they have killing in them, do you ban films if they show killing   so why ban a song because of its lyrics The song has been about since 1968 but only now are snowflakes finding it offensive. 

I'm not saying I agree with the decision or how its been handled. If they decided they wanted to remove the song from playlists then just do it, I am not sure that the virtue signalling has had the effect they wanted it to. But I am not sure your argument is that strong.

The song hasn't been banned. You can still hear it if you want. It's just not going to be performed or played at Welsh Rugby Internationals.

Do you ban books / films with killing in them? No. But I've never been to an international Rugby match with 70,000 attending, including families, where three quarters of them suddenly start reading aloud from "Catcher in the Rye" or dressed as if they are cosplaying Schindler's List or Clockwork Orange.

If you do want to pick a song to compare with surely "Smack my Bitch Up" would be a better comparison. And indeed that received restricted airplay and video was only seen post watershed.

The fact that somethings happened that you don't like doesn't mean that it's woke. I think this is more like a telly programme or something being put on after the watershed. As I said, I think they've achieved the exact opposite of what they hoped to by dealing with it in such a fashion which helps exactly no one. But if I was asked by a young child attending their first big sporting event about what they were singing, what the words were, what they meant and why 50000 blokes were singing it and laughing in an exagerrated manner "Ha ha ha ha!" then, honestly, I'd be struggling to answer them.

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[Ybadman]

Dont know if anyone was watching bbc question time, and was getting heated arguments

One thing that got heated, was the gender bill, and transgender persons.  A question was asked about Isla Bryson, on what sex this person was, Male or Female.  At this point none of the panel could answer this, now how hard is this to answer

People have employers, sponsors, advertisers etc. Safer to not say anything that could offend.

I got pulled into a mandatory diversity workshop at work recently and even though it was supposedly a 'safe space' for everyone to voice their opinions. Not one person (including myself) spoke up when the organisers asked for opinions 

[Adoniron]

Dont know if anyone was watching bbc question time, and was getting heated arguments

One thing that got heated, was the gender bill, and transgender persons.  A question was asked about Isla Bryson, on what sex this person was, Male or Female.  At this point none of the panel could answer this, now how hard is this to answer

I don't blame them. I'm sure they have a view but anyone who expresses an opinion in public on the trans issue is subject to a massive pile on by those who hold a different opinion.

[JontyR]

I don't blame them. I'm sure they have a view but anyone who expresses an opinion in public on the trans issue is subject to a massive pile on by those who hold a different opinion.

Yeah, if it wasn't a hard question to answer then it wouldn't be asked.

[Colston36]

The more I think the more strongly I feel "what a great song". I can't possibly see how something that really is as good as many an opera aria is wrong. The world is full of idiots yapping ignorantly about things that do no harm.

[RogerBoner]

This version of UK Punting initially banned the word prossie I still don't know why.

[catweazle]

I can think of a few songs, which  when you consider the lyrics are woke-offensive:

Green green grass of home (Jones again) - execution
Massachuetts (? Spelling) - Bee Gees - execution again

Dead Man's Curve - death in a car
Joanie  - man keeps ringing his dead girl's phone to hear her voice on the answerphone
Terry - death on a motorbike

[sir wanksalot]

I can think of a few songs, which  when you consider the lyrics are woke-offensive:

Green green grass of home (Jones again) - execution
Massachuetts (? Spelling) - Bee Gees - execution again

Dead Man's Curve - death in a car
Joanie  - man keeps ringing his dead girl's phone to hear her voice on the answerphone
Terry - death on a motorbike

Maxwell's Silver Hammer (The Fab Four)?

[mr.bluesky]

I can think of a few songs, which  when you consider the lyrics are woke-offensive:

Green green grass of home (Jones again) - execution
Massachuetts (? Spelling) - Bee Gees - execution again

Dead Man's Curve - death in a car
Joanie  - man keeps ringing his dead girl's phone to hear her voice on the answerphone
Terry - death on a motorbike

You can add " Hey Joe" by Jimi Hendrix contains the lyrics
"Hey Joe where are you going with that gun in your hand ?"
"I'm goin down to shoot my old lady"
"Hey Joe I heard you shot your lady down"

The whole song is about a man killing his lady for messing with another man

Or Iron Maiden
"Bring your daughter to the slaughter"

Or how about banning groups because of their name " The Killers"

[Adoniron]

How about "I shot the Sheriff" inciting violence against the police?

Where will it end?

[akauya]

How about "Buffalo soldier" highlighting white Americans making ethnic minorities fight each other?

It'll never end!

[puntingking]

If they banned this song well maybe this song should get banned from the country music stations & bbc radio 2 (i heared it on there  a few times)

Carrie underwood- before he cheats

She goes "I dug my key into the side of his pretty little souped-up four-wheel drive
Carved my name into his leather seats
I took a Louisville slugger to both headlights
I slashed a hole in all four tires
Maybe next time he'll think before he cheats"

[nwluvit]

There will be tons of old folk songs and country and western lyrics and Blues - shall I go on- songs where the lyrics could be compromised by todays "standards!"

I hate it when they alter lyrics. Same goes for rewriting snippets of a book.

[daviemac]

It's one song choirs at the Principality Stadium have been told not to sing, no sure what all these other songs mentioned have to do with it, who has complained about them? 

[billybob69]

For anyone who follows Rugby will know the Welsh Rugby Union has come under fire recently with allegations of misogyny , sexism , racism and homophobia so they think they are now  doing the right thing by banning a song that has been sung by Welsh Rugby fans for ages. All they are doing is digging a deeper pit for themselves.  It is a bit like telling England Rugby fans to stop singing Swing low sweet chariot. Misguided wokeism

I can't help think that the WRU have played this better than many think. This isn't just the WRU reacting to wokeism or tokenism, this is the WRU starting to position themselves away from a potential shit storm.

For many years if you are in public office criticising the WRU, Welsh Rugby or Welsh Rugby players or fans has been career limiting. To the point that the misogyny, sexism, violence, anti-social behaviour that has going on for years has gone unchallenged.

This has included the spike in domestic violence in Wales after 6 Nations games.
It was going to be a matter of time before someone was brave enough to ask the question what is it about Wales rugby fans that means that they go home home after the rugby and knock their Mrs about? And are the WRU encouraging it by allowing thousands of pissed up blokes to sing about Femicide?

When the question is finally asked about domestic violence in Wales they have got the 'ain't nothing to do with us gov'nor' card to play.

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I envisage this might go the same way as trying to get spurs fan to stop saying the Y word

[mr.bluesky]

I did hear the England fans singing "swing low sweet chariot" during Sundays game  against Italy. That was another song the woke brigade wanted to stop the fans singing. That obviously worked then 

[Doc Holliday]

This has included the spike in domestic violence in Wales after 6 Nations games.

That's surely an indirect effect? Excessive alcohol consumption is linked to domestic violence (for both sexes). In fact alcohol has a strong link to many forms of violence.

Any large sporting occasion is likely to involve excessive alcohol consumption among spectators. The sport itself, in this case the Six Nations, is not the main driving factor.

There seems little doubt that WRU has much to do to put its house in order with regard to sexism and misogony but I would suggest the link with domestic violence is very tenuous if not contrived.

[David1970]

Will Shakespeare’s Othello be banned, since the main character Othello kills his wife Desdemona?

I find the Old Testament violent, any chance it will be banned?

[timsussex]

Will Shakespeare’s Othello be banned, since the main character Othello kills his wife Desdemona?

I find the Old Testament violent, any chance it will be banned?

Lots of people know what happened to Lot's wife but why were the family saved in the first place ?

and what did Lot and his daughters get up after his wifes ubfortunate end ?

[nwluvit]

Lots of people know what happened to Lot's wife but why were the family saved in the first place ?

and what did Lot and his daughters get up after his wifes ubfortunate end ?

I don't know. Please enlighten us.

[daviemac]

I don't know. Please enlighten us.

If you want to know Google it, religion is not allowed.

[nwluvit]

Oops sorry.

[jackdaw]

See Puffin have done a “sensitivity analysis” on Roald Dahl books and are planning to “improve” a lot of the text.

Feels complete cop out, almost sinister …if they don’t like the way Roald wrote it, stop publishing the books.

[billybobsmith]

See Puffin have done a “sensitivity analysis” on Roald Dahl books and are planning to “improve” a lot of the text.

Feels complete cop out, almost sinister …if they don’t like the way Roald wrote it, stop publishing the books.

Read that earlier.

Expecting the Newspeak dictionary V1.1 to be out any time soon.