Author Topic: What the fuck? Tell me I've been stupid (EAS)  (Read 21099 times)

Offline Night-Owl

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That's a very confident statement. Did you watch her read it then  :unknown:

Offline Sibiu

Well here's my sixpenn'orth

I have a lot of sympathy for the OP both in the difficulties in his marriage and the fact he's fallen for an escort. My situation has similarities. My wife and I have been married over 45 years and get on well but we have not had sex for more than 25 years. I told her last autumn that I was going to look for sex outside marriage. Whilst she was not exactly breaking out the champagne it went down better than I could have hoped. I'm in the autumn of my life and am determined to live life to the full and even do some silly or stupid things. We are comfortably off, she has a £100+K pension and we both like living where we do in a large and comfortable house. Both would be losers in a number of ways if we broke up.

I've been seeing escorts for 40+ years. My wife has never been that interested in sex and is certainly not adventurous. She is/was a three positions, three times a year, vanilla woman.

I began seeing a particular escort just over a year ago. She's 20-25 years younger than me. We clicked straight away and the sex with her is awesome. I was working away from home at the time and she lives about 130 miles away so it's never going to be a long term arrangement. I confess to thinking about many times a day - yes, I have EAS badly. My solution is to take her away on holidays abroad. We spent a week away in September and this month went to the north for 4 nights to see the Northern Lights. This weekend we are going away to Germany on a city break. I pay for the trips and we have fun together. My wife is not as keen on travelling as I am and is happy for me to travel "on my own". If she discovers that I was not on my own then she has already been told that I am looking for sex outside marriage.

Where I differ from the OP is that I know that this cannot/will not last long term. Also my marriage is more settled and easier than his. We get along passably - she needs me for various reasons. I'm also 20 years older than the OP and at a different stage in life.

My advice to the OP is to accept that his relationship with the escort is unlikely to be successful and that he and his wife need to bring things to a head. Go and talk to Relate. Talk. Resolve the marriage one way or another than if he still wants to, contact the escort again. After 25+ sexless years I wish I'd spoken up sooner and not been such a Mr Nice Guy. As John Betjemen said, one of his regrets in old age was not having had enough sex in his earlier days.

Offline jimbobted

Oh I wasn't expecting anything long term. Just meeting up a couple of times a month for a meal, some drinks and some.bedroom fun until such point as things either fizzle out or grow organically.
Someone else says it's bullshit I'd be OK with her continuing to escort. Well no, it's not. I know what she does for a living and have no issue with it. What she does outside of whatever time I'm able to spend with her doesn't concern me at all. She could be escorting or she could be doing something else, how's it going to make a difference to me?

Anyway, it was nice to have had a taste but I am coming round to the fact it's not going to happen. It's a shame for me but that's the way the cookie crumbles sometimes.

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You sound one heartless git. Advising to dump the wife and his kids......his family. If you love your children then in my opinion, maybe not everybody's, it's about sacrificing some years of your life until they are old enough to make their own way.

Exactly why I have stayed and not yet left, so my kids grow up in a stable and normal(ish) home

Offline jimbobted

Exactly why I have stayed and not yet left, so my kids grow up in a stable and normal(ish) home
This has been my approach too, but I'm no longer sure I can stick another 15 years of it. And if I leave at that point I'll be nearly 60 and end up a sass old lonely git. If I leave now I can still provide for my family and at least have a chance of finding someone I can actually make happy and be happy with.

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This has been my approach too, but I'm no longer sure I can stick another 15 years of it. And if I leave at that point I'll be nearly 60 and end up a sass old lonely git. If I leave now I can still provide for my family and at least have a chance of finding someone I can actually make happy and be happy with.

I didn’t think I’d be able to stick it out - I’ve done 10 years since I decided I want to leave, and have around 3-5 years to go. So admittedly I’m on the home straight so maybe it’s easier for me. Actually the closer I get to the end date, the easier it gets. So keep strong, and positive if you do decide to stick it out. For me it’s been a goal, something to aim for and I’ll be around the age you quote when or if it happens. Hopefully I’ll still be shagging plenty of attractive females by then, thanks to Seeking, and AW.

My bullshit tolerance at home now is much reduced, and over time I have adapted my behaviours so I get more me time and freedom, and learned to say ‘no’ and in that way (perhaps with the countdown clock ticking) things have been more bearable.

Only you can decide what’s right for you, and that will depend on your unique situation. At least you know you aren’t alone in this JBT   :thumbsup:

Offline jimbobted

Shes already read this thread, without doubt.
I doubt it, don't think she peruses the forums. Certainly can't imagine she'd read anything other than her own reviews if she does.
Couldn't care less anyway, I've said nothing she doesn't already know.

Offline jimbobted

I didn’t think I’d be able to stick it out - I’ve done 10 years since I decided I want to leave, and have around 3-5 years to go. So admittedly I’m on the home straight so maybe it’s easier for me. Actually the closer I get to the end date, the easier it gets. So keep strong, and positive if you do decide to stick it out. For me it’s been a goal, something to aim for and I’ll be around the age you quote when or if it happens. Hopefully I’ll still be shagging plenty of attractive females by then, thanks to Seeking, and AW.

My bullshit tolerance at home now is much reduced, and over time I have adapted my behaviours so I get more me time and freedom, and learned to say ‘no’ and in that way (perhaps with the countdown clock ticking) things have been more bearable.

Only you can decide what’s right for you, and that will depend on your unique situation. At least you know you aren’t alone in this JBT   :thumbsup:
Thing is think I've realised I don't want to pay for affection. Quite happy to pay for sex, but SB has never appealed to me as it just seems like a way to get rinsed (for me personally at least).
Like I'd never have taken the SP who is the subject of this discussion out for a meal or drinks or a social meet if she wanted paying for her time. I'm aware plenty of SPs are happy to be taken out socially but expect to be paid (sometimes their full rate) for the pleasure. And I always think "what fucking planet would you have to be on to pay £200/hr to buy a girl dinner?". For me the pleasure of the social side wasn't being seen out with her (which I'm sure is what drives people with more money than sense to pay for that), but that I genuinely enjoyed her company and she seemed to genuinely enjoy my company.
You could argue it was all part of her routine to keep me coming back for more bookings, but I don't think so. She knew I was already down for more bookings.

Anyway, what I'm saying in a roundabout way is I don't want to be on my deathbed having had no genuine affection in my life since sometime in my late 20s or early 30s. And this episode has taught me I am still attractive to girls I am attracted to. I highly doubt that will be the case in another 15 years, so rgeardless of what happens with this current situation (highly likely to be nothing) I need to make myself available to be happy.

Offline Thephoenix

Thing is think I've realised I don't want to pay for affection. Quite happy to pay for sex, but SB has never appealed to me as it just seems like a way to get rinsed (for me personally at least).
Like I'd never have taken the SP who is the subject of this discussion out for a meal or drinks or a social meet if she wanted paying for her time. I'm aware plenty of SPs are happy to be taken out socially but expect to be paid (sometimes their full rate) for the pleasure. And I always think "what fucking planet would you have to be on to pay £200/hr to buy a girl dinner?". For me the pleasure of the social side wasn't being seen out with her (which I'm sure is what drives people with more money than sense to pay for that), but that I genuinely enjoyed her company and she seemed to genuinely enjoy my company.
You could argue it was all part of her routine to keep me coming back for more bookings, but I don't think so. She knew I was already down for more bookings.

Anyway, what I'm saying in a roundabout way is I don't want to be on my deathbed having had no genuine affection in my life since sometime in my late 20s or early 30s. And this episode has taught me I am still attractive to girls I am attracted to.

      *****I highly doubt that will be the case in another 15 years,****

 so rgeardless of what happens with this current situation (highly likely to be nothing) I need to make myself available to be happy.

    ****** I might just suggest that you don't really know who you'll be attracted to in 15 years
        time.*****

I think for many of us our tastes change as we age, particularly if you're looking for a ltr.
« Last Edit: February 01, 2023, 05:35:38 pm by Thephoenix »

Offline Brompton

I'm no longer sure I can stick another 15 years of it. And if I leave at that point I'll be nearly 60 and end up a sass old lonely git. If I leave now I can still provide for my family and at least have a chance of finding someone I can actually make happy and be happy with.
I know you’re getting loads of ‘advice’ that you may perceive good, bad or indifferent, as mentioned we all have our views.

I will say I waited & waited until my kids became young men before I left when I was 50 & I’m knocking on now & so wish I had the guts to have left earlier but I had to work every hour going to live a life whilst still paying for ‘marital home’ (my choice couldn’t afford to divorce) a lot of loneliness has followed but not looking for sympathy votes just pointing out the earlier age wise you can ‘get out’ then fine but of course financially easier said than done in some cases like my own.
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Offline Brompton

I didn’t think I’d be able to stick it out - I’ve done 10 years since I decided I want to leave, and have around 3-5 years to go. So admittedly I’m on the home straight so maybe it’s easier for me. Actually the closer I get to the end date, the easier it gets. So keep strong, and positive if you do decide to stick it out. For me it’s been a goal, something to aim for and I’ll be around the age you quote when or if it happens. Hopefully I’ll still be shagging plenty of attractive females by then, thanks to Seeking, and AW.

My bullshit tolerance at home now is much reduced, and over time I have adapted my behaviours so I get more me time and freedom, and learned to say ‘no’ and in that way (perhaps with the countdown clock ticking) things have been more bearable.

Only you can decide what’s right for you, and that will depend on your unique situation. At least you know you aren’t alone in this JBT   :thumbsup:
This!!!! A great summing up  :thumbsup:

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I must be honest, I’ve only skimmed through this thread.
I do sympathise with the OP, you are obviously missing intimacy and affection and you felt that you were getting this from the SP.
I don’t think anyone is to blame per se, it could be argued that maybe they could’ve been more professional and not let boundaries cross. The same could be said of the OP.
I hope thinks work out ok for you OP.
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I didn’t think I’d be able to stick it out - I’ve done 10 years since I decided I want to leave, and have around 3-5 years to go. So admittedly I’m on the home straight so maybe it’s easier for me. Actually the closer I get to the end date, the easier it gets. So keep strong, and positive if you do decide to stick it out. For me it’s been a goal, something to aim for and I’ll be around the age you quote when or if it happens. Hopefully I’ll still be shagging plenty of attractive females by then, thanks to Seeking, and AW.

My bullshit tolerance at home now is much reduced, and over time I have adapted my behaviours so I get more me time and freedom, and learned to say ‘no’ and in that way (perhaps with the countdown clock ticking) things have been more bearable.

Only you can decide what’s right for you, and that will depend on your unique situation. At least you know you aren’t alone in this JBT   :thumbsup:
Just an fyi for you and anyone else when the time comes. Divorce laws have changed and its pretty easy to get a divorce these days but part of the process is “an open and honest” exchange of information about assets etc. Typically that means you let each other see bank statements for a year for all accounts. If you have a load of hotel payments or AW memberships or whatever on there it can be more information than you want to share so fore warned is fore armed etc etc. Its unlikely this would affect any settlement but its still information you may not want to share with anyone else.

However amicable it is, divorce is not a pleasant experience and as the man you tend to be on the back foot most of the time.

Offline Rack Admirer

on my 40th told me she hated me and wished she'd never met me

OP, did your wife say the above in the heat of the moment (e.g. in the middle of a heated argument or when she was in an emotional state or drunk)? If she didn't - and seemed like she really meant it - then that would have been the end for me. I've never been in your situation but it seems a toxic environment to be in. I'm inclined to suggest moving out but I know sometimes it's too difficult to do.

I think the wife situation is the tricky thing to fix. The WG situation is a simple one: delete all her contact details and move on (and look forward to a new encounter).

Offline jimbobted

OP, did your wife say the above in the heat of the moment (e.g. in the middle of a heated argument or when she was in an emotional state or drunk)? If she didn't - and seemed like she really meant it - then that would have been the end for me. I've never been in your situation but it seems a toxic environment to be in. I'm inclined to suggest moving out but I know sometimes it's too difficult to do.

I think the wife situation is the tricky thing to fix. The WG situation is a simple one: delete all her contact details and move on (and look forward to a new encounter).
Can't recall exactly. It'll have been an argument over fuck all, like I'd forgotten to buy eggs or had a different POV to her about something in the news.

Am coming round to similar thoughts on what to do about the WG, although I'm not quite there yet.
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I must be honest, I’ve only skimmed through this thread.
I do sympathise with the OP, you are obviously missing intimacy and affection and you felt that you were getting this from the SP.
I don’t think anyone is to blame per se, it could be argued that maybe they could’ve been more professional and not let boundaries cross. The same could be said of the OP.
I hope thinks work out ok for you OP.
Thanks. I do think it was a genuine attraction and it's a shame it seems to have got a bit weird but that's life. She is perhaps a little too giving of herself, and I suppose that then makes it easy for lost lonely blokes like me to get the wrong idea.

Offline Sparta Prada

OP, to me it looks like the SP had a change of mind. She clearly liked your company initially to spend time with you off the clock, but something has made her rethink things. I’d be surprised if it was the snog, although the one thing you haven’t said is whether snogging was something you did during paid meets? Anyway it’s all academic if she isn’t talking to you anymore.

You shouldn’t be so dismissive about meeting a sugarbabe, because when I was reading what you was looking for in terms of what is essentially an arrangement, meeting someone off Seeking sounds like a solution so long as you meet the right girl. I’ve been fortunate to have had 2 arrangements on the trot. Both have lasted two years each. Sometimes we just meet for sex at a hotel, other times we go out for drinks, meals, and spend the night together. But you have to find the right person, and as I said before I have been lucky enough to find the right girl for me.

Offline tynetunnel

Just an fyi for you and anyone else when the time comes. Divorce laws have changed and its pretty easy to get a divorce these days but part of the process is “an open and honest” exchange of information about assets etc. Typically that means you let each other see bank statements for a year for all accounts. If you have a load of hotel payments or AW memberships or whatever on there it can be more information than you want to share so fore warned is fore armed etc etc. Its unlikely this would affect any settlement but its still information you may not want to share with anyone else.

However amicable it is, divorce is not a pleasant experience and as the man you tend to be on the back foot most of the time.


Thanks Stamp, I appreciate the advice especially around bank accounts. I’ll give that some thought, I wouldn’t like to have to explain all the money I’ve paid to premier inn despite actually spending the night at home!  :scare:

Offline jimbobted

OP, to me it looks like the SP had a change of mind. She clearly liked your company initially to spend time with you off the clock, but something has made her rethink things. I’d be surprised if it was the snog, although the one thing you haven’t said is whether snogging was something you did during paid meets? Anyway it’s all academic if she isn’t talking to you anymore.

You shouldn’t be so dismissive about meeting a sugarbabe, because when I was reading what you was looking for in terms of what is essentially an arrangement, meeting someone off Seeking sounds like a solution so long as you meet the right girl. I’ve been fortunate to have had 2 arrangements on the trot. Both have lasted two years each. Sometimes we just meet for sex at a hotel, other times we go out for drinks, meals, and spend the night together. But you have to find the right person, and as I said before I have been lucky enough to find the right girl for me.
Yes full on kissing snogging etc during meets.

I'm not sure a sugarbabe is right for me. It would really grate to see a chunk of change disappear from my account every month for a pretend girlfriend.
If I'm going to have stuff beyond just sex for the duration of a paid meet, I want it to be real and genuine.
I think ultimately paying for affection in that way would put me in a worse.place mentally.than I am now.
I haven't discounted the idea as a way of meeting girls for PPM though. Does seem there's hardly any young English girls on AW these days and I suspect they are to be found on seeking etc.
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Offline tynetunnel

You shouldn’t be so dismissive about meeting a sugarbabe, because when I was reading what you was looking for in terms of what is essentially an arrangement, meeting someone off Seeking sounds like a solution so long as you meet the right girl. I’ve been fortunate to have had 2 arrangements on the trot. Both have lasted two years each. Sometimes we just meet for sex at a hotel, other times we go out for drinks, meals, and spend the night together. But you have to find the right person, and as I said before I have been lucky enough to find the right girl for me.

Agreed. I’ve had some lengthy arrangements and the only reason we didn’t do more ‘social’ stuff was because I’m time poor in respect of not having an excuse to be away from home. I have to be careful not to cause suspicion and grief from ‘er indoors. Many SB’s are up for cooking meals together, going for days out, nights out, all manner of activities. As you said SP, you do have to find the right girl but they’re definitely out there. Not personally having the available free time (thanks to my being under the cosh at home situation) has limited and stunted my own personal experiences with SB’s considerably.

Offline ShyButAlsoHorny

I tried the “stay together for the kids” and wait till they’re 18 thing for three years.  But life was so miserable and we were hardly acting as role models for what a healthy adult relationship should look like that I pulled the trigger last year.  Moved out and nearly through the divorce process.  Yes it is emotionally hard etc but the kids are already happier and knew all along it was inevitable.  They aren’t stupid.  They go to their friends houses and see functional happy relationships.  Plus selfishly I didn’t want to piss away my 40’s sacrificing my life.

Just things to consider and everyone’s situation is different

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It seems about have morphed to be about marital advice and when to quit.

This used to be a sex for cash review place  :unknown:

Offline cunningman

I'm not sure a sugarbabe is right for me. It would really grate to see a chunk of change disappear from my account every month for a pretend girlfriend.

This isn't how it has to work.  Bin the greedy grafters, they are easy to spot.

I see a sweet (and sometimes rather vulnerable) lady that I met on SecretBenefits a few years ago.

When she's up she's brilliant fun but she does need a shoulder to cry on.  When she's down she just needs
the shoulder and a friend.  I try to be a friend - it costs me time and effort and sympathy and patience, but that's OK.

I only give her cash when we do the hotel and sex thing.

I suggest to try Seeking and SecretBenefits and think carefully about how much you care about glamour - and pics in
warm places far away.  Plenty might go online because they are skint and have no social life, but at the end of the day
they also need a cuddle and a sympathetic shoulder and to be heard - like you do.  And I do, in fact.  I can pay for a shag
from AdultWork or VivaStreet, but the cuddles and frank confessionals are missing.

You could also ask yourself how important sex is.  I've also met older women from Match/OurTime and made lovely
friends.  Holding hands and chatting with someone you're into, over dinner or a walk in the country, can be wonderful.
Sex isn't everything.  Treating those dates as a sex opportunity will ruin things.
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Offline azzman99

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My mind boggles as to why rather a lot of men end up in these sort of dead marriages.

Why did they marry these women in the first place ?

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My mind boggles as to why rather a lot of men end up in these sort of dead marriages.

Why did they marry these women in the first place ?

Because at the start they are the representative of the woman you marry. You are getting it 24/7,  life is always good before you marry them. As if one morning they then switch it off and hold you to ransom. The evil traits seep through, domestic violence and abuse. They use sex and kids as weapons, you bare it or the other option is you walk. If you choose to walk you loose your children and half your wealth.

Offline estats

My mind boggles as to why rather a lot of men end up in these sort of dead marriages.

Why did they marry these women in the first place ?

I don't often comment on "the marriage" stuff and wholly accept my nature is often very analytical and with my character I can easily compartmentalise.

But even accepting you believe in the religious, social and legal concepts of marriage, I've always thought what are the actual odds of meeting your one and only life partner at 18 in your school, or even at 22 in your local club, when the population of the world is near 8 billion people?

It seems to me those sort of odds are 0.000001%!

On a very broad point, it seems to me what gives us human mentality, eg. the desire to nest etc often also gives us our greatest vulnerability.

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Why did they marry these women in the first place ?

The brain is the most outstanding organ.

It works 24/7, every day, from birth until you fall in love.



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My mind boggles as to why rather a lot of men end up in these sort of dead marriages.

Why did they marry these women in the first place ?
A question I have asked myself almost every day since I married her. It's a long and boring story but I knew it was a mistake at the time, but didn't anyway.

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Should this be moved to Off Topic?

It seems about have morphed to be about marital advice and when to quit.

This used to be a sex for cash review place  :unknown:

You may have a point, but 'dating a wg/EAS' threads are ten a penny and very repetitive, so I think the largely sympathetic discussion around broken marriages and children, has given this one a slightly different dimension?

Of course members of a punting forum are unlikely to representative of the general population and are much more likely to have a jaundiced view of relationships anyway. This will range from being in a loving but sexless one (very common) to one that has failed totally. It seems JBT's is the latter maybe even from day one?

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You sound one heartless git. Advising to dump the wife and his kids......his family. If you love your children then in my opinion, maybe not everybody's, it's about sacrificing some years of your life until they are old enough to make their own way.
Depends on the situation. In my case I eventually left as it was impossible to maintain a civil atmosphere, the ex was constantly bickering & picking fights and arguments.  That had a massively negative effect on our children and in the end it was best for all parties that we separated. Not an easy decision to make but I was able to maintain a much better relationship with my children by spending quality time with them without the hostility of a completely broken relationship.

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The strange thing about love and long term relationships is that most of us are totally unprepared for them.

Imagine if an employer gave you a set of tools or computer programme and just said, there you go, figure it all out yourself, for the rest of your career. If you make a balls up we'll get rid of you, make you feel worthless, and take half of your future earnings.

From school age we're taught the basics of all sorts of subjects that will help us in further education and hopefully in our careers and how we contribute to society in general. Some move on to further education, University and other variations. We start our first job and our employer gives us specific job training, we learn from other skilled / experienced workers, we finish our "apprenticeship" and become a skilled, knowledgeable valued and sought after member of the workforce and therefore contribute to the wider community.

One the other hand, you meet someone and start a relationship - you're on your own, you might just get some advice (usually poor) from your mates, or you've seen family and how they interact (often badly). When I got married, the priest asked to see us for a discussion on how to make our marriage work. It was a single one hour session, off you go, that's all you need to last you a lifetime. He spent more time discussing the parking arrangements.

Now you're in a relationship and it all goes wrong up, you try counselling. That's the employers equivalent of a disciplinary, you only get that when things have gone wrong, by then it's usually too late.

Basically the majority of couples are winging one of the most important areas of their lives. We shouldn't be surprised so many of our relationships end up with sackings.

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Oh I wasn't expecting anything long term. Just meeting up a couple of times a month for a meal, some drinks and some.bedroom fun until such point as things either fizzle out or grow organically.
Someone else says it's bullshit I'd be OK with her continuing to escort. Well no, it's not. I know what she does for a living and have no issue with it. What she does outside of whatever time I'm able to spend with her doesn't concern me at all. She could be escorting or she could be doing something else, how's it going to make a difference to me?

Anyway, it was nice to have had a taste but I am coming round to the fact it's not going to happen. It's a shame for me but that's the way the cookie crumbles sometimes.

What if you found out she was bareback fucking me?! Would you still be happy with that?!  :lol:
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What if you found out she was bareback fucking me?! Would you still be happy with that?!  :lol:

Seriously - WTF kind of comment is that?

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I know you’re getting loads of ‘advice’ that you may perceive good, bad or indifferent, as mentioned we all have our views.

I will say I waited & waited until my kids became young men before I left when I was 50 & I’m knocking on now & so wish I had the guts to have left earlier but I had to work every hour going to live a life whilst still paying for ‘marital home’ (my choice couldn’t afford to divorce) a lot of loneliness has followed but not looking for sympathy votes just pointing out the earlier age wise you can ‘get out’ then fine but of course financially easier said than done in some cases like my own.

I think this is very important. You said you are in your mid-40's now. If you stick in the marriage until your kids are 18 then you will be pushing 60.
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Seriously - WTF kind of comment is that?

OP said he doesn't mind what the lady gets up to as an escort and he would never interfere even if they were in a relationship. Yes my reply is exaggerated but intended to get him to think if what he said is really true, or would be be unhappy about some circumstances of her work if he knew.
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OP said he doesn't mind what the lady gets up to as an escort and he would never interfere even if they were in a relationship. Yes my reply is exaggerated but intended to get him to think if what he said is really true, or would be be unhappy about some circumstances of her work if he knew.

Surely that would apply to any girl providing sexual services at any time and affect all of us, I don't see the need to single the OP out on this thread?

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OP said he doesn't mind what the lady gets up to as an escort and he would never interfere even if they were in a relationship. Yes my reply is exaggerated but intended to get him to think if what he said is really true, or would be be unhappy about some circumstances of her work if he knew.
Well she doesn't provide bareback to punters (no idea about her personal life). But yeah, she's a consenting adult and what she does when she isn't in my company is of no concern to me. I wouldn't know anyway because I wouldn't ask, it's just not a factor.

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I think this is very important. You said you are in your mid-40's now. If you stick in the marriage until your kids are 18 then you will be pushing 60.
Aware of that.
Wife is actually making an effort to be nice this week. I'll still never love her and she will never love me but perhaps being nice, if it can be sustained, is enough to make all the upheaval and conflict that goes with divorce not worth it.

Offline tp69

My mind boggles as to why rather a lot of men end up in these sort of dead marriages.

Why did they marry these women in the first place ?

Children and the responsibility of caring for them, careers, money, stress, changes people over time which can lead to resentment. There's a good chance one or both partners gave up working on the marriage and it deteriorates. Short sighted to blame the women without specifics, could be that the man is a lazy bastard and it took it's toll (not referring to OP).

Offline Bonker

Men marry a woman hoping she will always stay the same. Women marry a man looking to change him.

Offline Thephoenix

Men marry a woman hoping she will always stay the same. Women marry a man looking to change him.

That's the reason many women still prefer a church wedding:

Aisle altar hymn!

Offline Bonker

Brilliant.

Shame about the restrictions of this situation.
I feel that we would have a very good evening in a bar or coffee shop together.  As with others in this forum.

I suspect posters will denigrate this post and cast unjustifiable aspersions, but my sentiment still stands.

Offline Thephoenix

Judging by this thread, I wonder if the owners can see an opportunity to branch out into UKAU?. (UKAgonyUncles).

Maybe we're not the best demographic to give advice on such matters.
.........Or maybe we are? :unknown:  :rolleyes:

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Offline JustaPunter

Judging by this thread, I wonder if the owners can see an opportunity to branch out into UKAU?. (UKAgonyUncles).

Maybe we're not the best demographic to give advice on such matters.
.........Or maybe we are? :unknown:  :rolleyes:

I think the number of SW that brand all posters on UKP as desperate misogynists might realise the truth is very different to what they have assumed.

I personally feel that a lot of men that frequent SW do so because they are in a marriage that they know is dead but stay for their kids.

That’s the position I am in, knew the marriage was a mistake after 5 years but was never going to leave till my kids had finished University.

That’s a year away now.


Offline hamchang

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Whilst she was getting multiple hour bookings from you she seemed happy to chuck you some free promo time to keep those going. When she thought you were breaking that you were ditched. Post her link and lets see if shes worth all this panty wringing, and then you can have a chat with the missus about if you should stay together or how your relationship will work moving forward. You only owe it to yourself to be happy... and i bet you wife is miserable too.

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To me, reading people's experiences about their partners (and my own experience) in my mind just adds another nail to the coffin of monogamy.

I never stop wondering why, particularly in the West, we promote monogamy when it is pretty obvious that a vast majority of people (mainly men and some women) have a preference for several sexual partners.

On another thread I wrote this:


So many of my married peers were so miserable that it was obvious that they were no longer happy in monogamous relationships but remained together for many different reasons. The ones who fell out of love and ended up hating each other, divorce/separation (however painful and stressful) was the solution. However, for others who still loved each other but were no longer in a working monogamous relationship there was no apparent way out.

This made me think, maybe humans are not meant to be monogamous. Why and when did modern societies come to see monogamy and nuclear family as the ideal form of society? After all there are various studies that many societies around the world succeeded and worked a lot better in non-monogamous societies. Why did we adopt the (mainly European/Christian) view of monogamy?

[snip]

I read somewhere that about 80% of early human societies were polygamous, why did subsequent societies become largely monogamous? The only theory, that made sense to me, was that a monogamous couple had the "two-parent" advantage in caring for their children. That's totally plausible given that human babies are totally dependent on their parents for years after their birth.

Which leads me to argue that if monogamy is not ideal for most people and polygamy is a concept most people would shun (and probably not great for raising the young) maybe a workable compromise would be open relationships (emotional monogamy?)

Society would still get the benefit of a "two-parent" advantage of raising children without the emotional damage we inflict on ourselves of having to remain physically monogamous to one person.

This would till leave the option of full monogamy to those people who do prefer and thrive in a monogamous relationship.


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I intended to reply to your original post in the other thread but didn't get round to it.

Monogamy in humans is a fascinating subject and this predominant trait is believed to go back at least 1000 years. There is no doubt that as an evolutionary preference it has added structure and stability by creating family units and child protection, which in turn leads to building of a community and societal structure and enabled humans to evolve to where they have done.

There are subdivisions of monogamy and true ‘lifetime’ monogamy is now somewhat rare, especially as lifespan is greatly increased. Serial monogamy ie multiple relationships in a lifetime but monogamous in each one, is the norm and still the preferred globally. Even in societies where polygamy is more prevalent and acceptable, monogamy is apparently still the dominant choice.

Open relationships do of course exist although predominantly sexual rather than emotional, but by their very nature require both parties to be happy with this. This is also rare and whilst I personally have known of a number, I don't know of any which are emotionally open?

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Whilst she was getting multiple hour bookings from you she seemed happy to chuck you some free promo time to keep those going. When she thought you were breaking that you were ditched. Post her link and lets see if shes worth all this panty wringing, and then you can have a chat with the missus about if you should stay together or how your relationship will work moving forward. You only owe it to yourself to be happy... and i bet you wife is miserable too.
No I don't think that was the case.
Nope, not naming her in a public forum.
Correct.
She is.

Online stampjones

@akauya and @doc
There’s an interesting book that discusses why humans are monogamous read a while ago. Human Evolution by Robin Dunbar I think it was.
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