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Offline tp69

Mods,

Is Bitcoin relly the only payment option for the forum? I don't use it for anything else so I'm not particularly familiar with it, but ordered £30 thinking it'd cover any transaction charges, not realising there's a £5.28 processing fee on the transaction. Then come back to pay for UKP to find I'm short. Then back to Bitcoin to find there's a minimum transaction amount of £30 so had to buy another £30, paying another £5.28 processing fee. The whole thing took nearly 2 hours as my bank kept declining the charge, and the processing is so slow.

I could've just pinged you the cash via Paypal in a minute and been done.

I realise it's only once a year and most people probably like the annonymity, but that's a lot of friction just to renew a membership, which effectively cost £60 if it's similar to last year when I bought £50 and then Bitcoin plumetted, and I managed to lose my login to that wallet.

Do others not have issues with Bitcoin? I must be getting old. Any chance of another payment option in about 12 months time?  :)

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As far as I’m aware there is no subscription.

There is a joining fee which I guess you are talking about. As I understand it that is a one off payment for new joiners.

I guess if you didn’t take the time to read that correctly, it’s of little surprise you spent a couple of hours trying to order and carry out a transaction using Bitcoin.

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I see it's one year ago yesterday  that the OP joined, guess that's where the confusion arises. As has already been said, there's a one off joining fee ( introduced after the OP registered) but no annual subscription.

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As far as I’m aware there is no subscription.

There is a joining fee which I guess you are talking about. As I understand it that is a one off payment for new joiners.


Uhh.   :unknown:. You sure?  My account went into a subscription phase after 1 year.   I just paid the renewal assuming it's a annual fee.

I thought it was a one-off join fee, but looks like annual sub?  I did do a name change so that may have some implication.

@head1 /admin, do we have a system glitch?  Thx
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It's an annual payment for new members (since payment was bought in) and no payment ever for existing members
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Mods,

Is Bitcoin relly the only payment option for the forum? I don't use it for anything else so I'm not particularly familiar with it.



At the moment payment is only possible with BTC(Bitcoin) and BCH(Bitcoin Cash)
BCH fees will be a lot lower generally a penny or two

The easiest and safest way to buy and send cryptocurrency is through a hardware wallet
A ledger nano s is perfect for the job

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It's an annual payment for new members (since payment was bought in)?and no payment ever for existing members

@Head1  is it possible to implement multi-year or a (reasonable i.e £100) 'lifetime membership fee' for us new members?

When I signed up BTC/BCH was sky high and I bought more than needed.  1 year later the excess crypto that I had was worth nothing after the price collapsed.  Holding excess crypto in cold wallet doesn't help unless you're always long  :) 

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It's an annual payment for new members (since payment was bought in).

Thanks for clarifying  :thumbsup: I also thought it was a one off joining fee at registration and not an annual subscription. I suspect most other pre-existing members thought the same  :unknown:
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Thanks for clarifying  :thumbsup: I also thought it was a one off joining fee at registration and not an annual subscription. I suspect most other pre-existing members thought the same  :unknown:

Same here Doc

Offline puntingking

Thanks for clarifying  :thumbsup: I also thought it was a one off joining fee at registration and not an annual subscription. I suspect most other pre-existing members thought the same  :unknown:

Same here

I take it I'm safe from paying this annual fee as I've been a member since 2019 :unknown:

Offline myothernameis

Thanks for clarifying  :thumbsup: I also thought it was a one off joining fee at registration and not an annual subscription. I suspect most other pre-existing members thought the same  :unknown:

Never knew this, always thought, for new members it was just a one of fee, and not annual as I now know

Offline snaitram99

Thanks for clarifying  :thumbsup: I also thought it was a one off joining fee at registration and not an annual subscription. I suspect most other pre-existing members thought the same  :unknown:

I can only recall it being described as a joining fee. Don't know whether it was always intended as an annual fee, but fortunately didn't affect me as here already. Not sure I would have wanted to get involved in Bitcoin.

Offline tp69

@Head1  is it possible to implement multi-year or a (reasonable i.e £100) 'lifetime membership fee' for us new members?

When I signed up BTC/BCH was sky high and I bought more than needed.  1 year later the excess crypto that I had was worth nothing after the price collapsed.  Holding excess crypto in cold wallet doesn't help unless you're always long  :)

I'd second this. I'd happily pay for a lifetime membership and save the annual bitcoin hassle as I'm not fussed about having excess Bitcoin hanging around.

Offline tp69

I guess if you didn’t take the time to read that correctly, it’s of little surprise you spent a couple of hours trying to order and carry out a transaction using Bitcoin.

Bit of a harsh comment when you're the one that had it wrong. I'm very capable of reading mate and my account required it's 'annual fee' to be paid.

The time was spent due to the bank constantly declining it, and the processing time, not because I'm incapable of going through the steps.

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Bit of a harsh comment when you're the one that had it wrong. I'm very capable of reading mate and my account required it's 'annual fee' to be paid.

The time was spent due to the bank constantly declining it, and the processing time, not because I'm incapable of going through the steps.

Totally accept I was incorrect about the sub  :drinks:

Offline standardpostage

I think that a postal order or a cheque, would be a good way to pay, for new members  :)

I'm OK, as, because of my age, I have grandfather rights  :)

PS. Only joking.
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Offline Milf Hunter

One for head1 to look into, I’ll make him aware.
There is only a joining fee to cover admin costs and no further subscription required.
I’ll get the boss to have a look matey.

I had to pay again after my first year ran out, too. I accept a joining fee makes sense (for admin costs and to discourage trolls). It does seem a bit arbitrary that people who joined a year before I did never have to pay anything whether they contribute or not, but I’m going to have to faff about with Bitcoin every 12 months.

But, you know, it’s £2 per month for a resource that I use a lot, so I’m not going to cry about it overly much.
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Offline Rayray23k

Sorry to dig up this post but I couldn't find an answer if Mods would consider a different form of payment other than Bitcoin? I've just renewed again after waiting 6 months of lapsed membership because renewal via bitcoin is such a PITA and I was looking for other methods of renewing.
You don't ever pay the asking price due to fees for purchasing the bitcoin and fees for transferring and variable exchange rate.
And because I don't use bitcoin for anything else I'd like to keep my purchase to a minimum but there's always going to a few pounds loss or kept in my wallet which.

So pls can Mods consider and look into alternative ways of renewing?

Offline alabama1

Sorry to dig up this post but I couldn't find an answer if Mods would consider a different form of payment other than Bitcoin? I've just renewed again after waiting 6 months of lapsed membership because renewal via bitcoin is such a PITA and I was looking for other methods of renewing.
You don't ever pay the asking price due to fees for purchasing the bitcoin and fees for transferring and variable exchange rate.
And because I don't use bitcoin for anything else I'd like to keep my purchase to a minimum but there's always going to a few pounds loss or kept in my wallet which.

So pls can Mods consider and look into alternative ways of renewing?
The mods are moderators of this sight. You need to contact the owner, Head1 mate

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Worth looking at the Strike app, seems like the easiest way to pay with Bitcoin

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Worth looking at the Strike app, seems like the easiest way to pay with Bitcoin
What makes Strike app easier? Does it not charge to buy a bit coin or not charge to transfer to another wallet?
Why use bitcoin?

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What makes Strike app easier? Does it not charge to buy a bit coin or not charge to transfer to another wallet?
Why use bitcoin?

Head1 is the site owner and he has made his decision regarding payment options.
Not really up for discussion tbh, It is his site.

Offline mrwhite

Mods,

Is Bitcoin relly the only payment option for the forum? I don't use it for anything else so I'm not particularly familiar with it, but ordered £30 thinking it'd cover any transaction charges, not realising there's a £5.28 processing fee on the transaction. Then come back to pay for UKP to find I'm short. Then back to Bitcoin to find there's a minimum transaction amount of £30 so had to buy another £30, paying another £5.28 processing fee. The whole thing took nearly 2 hours as my bank kept declining the charge, and the processing is so slow.

I could've just pinged you the cash via Paypal in a minute and been done.

I realise it's only once a year and most people probably like the annonymity, but that's a lot of friction just to renew a membership, which effectively cost £60 if it's similar to last year when I bought £50 and then Bitcoin plumetted, and I managed to lose my login to that wallet.

Do others not have issues with Bitcoin? I must be getting old. Any chance of another payment option in about 12 months time?  :)

Just be patient with bitcoin - it is volatile and does now and then haev huge drops, but that is the time to but.  I bought a little a few years ago, and again last year when the price fell - now a year later my 'investment' has doubled in value.

I just wish I had bought more than £50 worth!

I have a friend who swears by BTC - he really has made a fortune (about £20k) from buying and selling it.

Offline Rayray23k

Head1 is the site owner and he has made his decision regarding payment options.
Not really up for discussion tbh, It is his site.

So the owner of this site made this decision when?
I'm just asking because I couldn't find any discussions from the owner.

Offline Rayray23k

Just be patient with bitcoin - it is volatile and does now and then haev huge drops, but that is the time to but.  I bought a little a few years ago, and again last year when the price fell - now a year later my 'investment' has doubled in value.

I just wish I had bought more than £50 worth!

I have a friend who swears by BTC - he really has made a fortune (about £20k) from buying and selling it.

I know and I hear you. I. Not against bitcoin it self but I'm not an invester and it really doesn't interest me.
I only want to be able to pay for my renewal fees when the time comes without sooooo much hassles and fees and wasted transactions.
I just don't understand why the owner would choose such an inconvenient method of payment when there are other cheaper and even free methods of transferring money.
I like this forum but it's the single reason that puts me off hence why I've been putting off renewing for 6 months.
Fortunately I found out that my Revolute was able to pay with Bitcoin. But still there where purchase fees and transfer fees on top. For the average punter who isn't into investing crypto, is a huge hassle. And shouldn't a forum be making it easier for members to subscribe instead? I'm sure this is the single reason why so many members don't sign up.
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So the owner of this site made this decision when?
I'm just asking because I couldn't find any discussions from the owner.

There weren't any discussions about it from me.
It is what it is. If in the future a better option comes up then ...........

Offline Rayray23k

There weren't any discussions about it from me.
It is what it is. If in the future a better option comes up then ...........

I am a member on other forums of other interests and they're often PayPal or bank transfers for memberships which are free and direct.
I appreciate it's your forum and you have your own preferences or reasons for using this method but pls reconsider as I'm sure it would greatly benefit the forum it self to be easier and more welcoming.
Thank you for hearing me out.

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So can any of you complaining about Bitcoin come up with an alternative payment system that ensures the anonymity both of those paying the fees and also of the business receiving them?
This forum is rather unlike other groups you may be members of in that here both members and also the site owners / admins need to remain anonymous for safety reasons.
I suspect that except for using another virtual currency, there aren't any safe solutions that will work.

Offline Rayray23k

So can any of you complaining about Bitcoin come up with an alternative payment system that ensures the anonymity both of those paying the fees and also of the business receiving them?
This forum is rather unlike other groups you may be members of in that here both members and also the site owners / admins need to remain anonymous for safety reasons.
I suspect that except for using another virtual currency, there aren't any safe solutions that will work.

So is this what it's about? Anonymity?

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So is this what it's about? Anonymity?

I don't know any more than you - but it would be my best guess.
Considering the antics that existed with people trying to ID OldAdmin when he was in charge I would have thought it extremely possible.

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I don't know any more than you - but it would be my best guess.
Considering the antics that existed with people trying to ID OldAdmin when he was in charge I would have thought it extremely possible.

I don't really know about the Old Admin incident but I would think that is more down to how this forum manages personal data then transactional data.
I personally don't mind sending via bank to an account called UKP and for UKP to see my name as a payee.
However forum security about my personal information is another issue.
I don't think punters mind payments from their personal account. As long as that's not shared publicly and the forum would have a legal obligation to keep it so under the DPA.
I understand the nature of this forum but even Adultwork sign up is via bank transfer.

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You might not mind UKP on your bank statement but I’m pretty certain you aren’t in the majority.

Head1 did give an answer, there’s nothing more to add.

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No, the "OldAdmin incident" as you put it, involved a manchester based crook who wanted to ID OldAdmin so he could threaten him and force closure of this site: he felt UKP were adversely affecting his own forum (and so losing him money). He'd already turned up at the door of a chap who ran a Preston-based forum and threatened his family. OldAdmin was able to keep his ID secret, despite the offer of substantial rewards for his name.

But there's a bigger picture you're clearly not getting: by the very nature of the way we post reviews here, collectively we're fucking about with the business models of a lot of sex workers, many of them affiliated with trafficking / drugs / other underworld gangs. They'd love to shut us down, and that could be through hacking, blackmail, threats.......
Hopefully for most of us the risk following a potential site hack is reduced because we signed up with anonymous throw-away e-mail addresses (you did didn't you?). Hopefully there's no trail linking your forum name to your real ID. If there is then you didn't think things out too well.......
Using a payment system which uses real identities (e.g. bank transfers) just creates another unnecessary vector which could be hacked and us all identified. It's not worth the risk

And here's another thought for you.....OldAdmin at one stage was hosting the forum database overseas on so-called "bullet proof" servers which supposedly couldn't be hacked. At one stage he told me he'd just moved to a Russian host....just imagine the risk that would create now. I've no idea where the site is hosted now (no need for any of us to know), but wherever it is there is always the risk of the local authorities demanding access.

Anonymity keeps us safe.

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I'd happily send cash over via snail mail with an I'd number 😂.
Or some kind of coupon/gif card/voucher?
Not that I've ever tried but know if it works but how about cashapp?

Offline lewisjones23

No, the "OldAdmin incident" as you put it, involved a manchester based crook who wanted to ID OldAdmin so he could threaten him and force closure of this site: he felt UKP were adversely affecting his own forum (and so losing him money). He'd already turned up at the door of a chap who ran a Preston-based forum and threatened his family. OldAdmin was able to keep his ID secret, despite the offer of substantial rewards for his name.

But there's a bigger picture you're clearly not getting: by the very nature of the way we post reviews here, collectively we're fucking about with the business models of a lot of sex workers, many of them affiliated with trafficking / drugs / other underworld gangs. They'd love to shut us down, and that could be through hacking, blackmail, threats.......
Hopefully for most of us the risk following a potential site hack is reduced because we signed up with anonymous throw-away e-mail addresses (you did didn't you?). Hopefully there's no trail linking your forum name to your real ID. If there is then you didn't think things out too well.......
Using a payment system which uses real identities (e.g. bank transfers) just creates another unnecessary vector which could be hacked and us all identified. It's not worth the risk

And here's another thought for you.....OldAdmin at one stage was hosting the forum database overseas on so-called "bullet proof" servers which supposedly couldn't be hacked. At one stage he told me he'd just moved to a Russian host....just imagine the risk that would create now. I've no idea where the site is hosted now (no need for any of us to know), but wherever it is there is always the risk of the local authorities demanding access.

Anonymity keeps us safe.

Angel, the owner of the now gone Manchester based forum was an absolute dickhead, acted the internet hardman and picked on people smaller than him.

UKP came along and blew the Manchester forum out of the water, forum traffic nosedived, punters jumped ship, followed by advertisers leaving and eventually it only had a handful of punters saying the same old boring stuff to each other about why it was so quiet, eventually the forum closed for good. A phoenix site did come out of the ashes but the last time I logged in to it, it was like a ghost town.

His head fell off completely when he couldn't get to Old Admin and he used to invent stupid stories on his forum about why he needed information on Old Admin.

Angel then moved in to being a pimp, something which he was always against until suddenly it was ok as he was making money out of it, that venture failed.

Then he moved in to giving massages himself, likely threw in the happy endings for free being the tosser he was.

Then there was the business when he sold the forum to a well known member of that forum and this forum, only to effectively steal it back off him.

Angel has a profile on here as well, which he logs in to every so often, I did send him a message a few months back, I think he will have read it but no response as of yet ...

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I don't really know about the Old Admin incident but I would think that is more down to how this forum manages personal data then transactional data.
I personally don't mind sending via bank to an account called UKP and for UKP to see my name as a payee.
However forum security about my personal information is another issue.
I don't think punters mind payments from their personal account. As long as that's not shared publicly and the forum would have a legal obligation to keep it so under the DPA.
I understand the nature of this forum but even Adultwork sign up is via bank transfer.
A couple of points mate, * there's a lot you don't know. * have you read the threads on how to pay for anything to do with paying for sex anonymously? it's very important for an awful lot of members.

The site owner has given his answer and if he says "it is what it is" then I'm afraid at the minute it is what it is.

It's pointless you keep saying what you wouldn't mind doing the point is what Head1 doesn't mind doing and if you pay by back transfer you then have his details.

I don't know if you realise but we are all anonymous on here, apart from the name used and area we punt in nobody knows anything about anyone else and that's the way it has to stay, too many people have too much to lose.

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I think it’s easier to just ban his ass if he continues Davie? :dash:
He’s next suggestion will be meeting in a busy place  :lol:

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As has been said, its Head 1's forum,
so his rules.

The site clearly will cost money to run, hosting, bandwidth etc, plus, of course, TIME.

My own opinion, and I have no quibble whatsoever if I'm right on this, is that Head1 is building up his bitcoin portfolio. He'll  have to encash some every now and then to pay forum bills, but bitcoin has risen 65% over the last 6 months. It's very volatile, but I admire Head1 for using bitcoin as a kind of retirement fund.

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We all need to be careful with remaining anonymous. I know Old admin was well protected from being found. However Head1 is perhaps a little careless with his ID?

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We all need to be careful with remaining anonymous. I know Old admin was well protected from being found. However Head1 is perhaps a little careless with his ID?

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I think it’s easier to just ban his ass if he continues Davie? :dash:
He’s next suggestion will be meeting in a busy place  :lol:
As he can't accept the way it is after being told umpteen times that will have to be the next step unfortunately.

Why do people have to keep pushing it until there's no choice but to ban them.   :unknown:

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by chance came across this old thread
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=155066.0

It's the management of HOD/TPP trying to out a punters identity, good example of why you need anonymity in this game

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I never use BTC apart from the yearly fee here,handily the extra BTC I had to buy last year had over doubled in value so it didn't cost me anything.
It's a bit of a faff but 5 minutes "work" maximum I'd say,small price to pay.
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Head1 is the father of Head2, and son of Head0 - that’s who he is.

What if the annual contribution was £35-£40 but no “transaction” cost?

Hosting is cheap but time is money. What you or I value our time is monumentally different to anyone else so let’s all have a snickers and maybe we might find a cooler solution.

Also, DPA might decree a degree of information security, but FCA and KYC mandate records. Guess which department has the bigger “clout”?