Please recommend someone for me to lose my virginity

[anishgeek]

Hello,

I am in London for a few weeks. I stay near Borough High St, London SE1 1JX the underground station. I am willing to travel an hour.

I am a 27 year old man. I am a virgin and want to try a GFE experience with an escort. I will willing to pay a premium price to ensure the experience is not bad. I like Asians (like 5990593), Brazilians, thin young petite girls with a bubbly personality. Does anyone have any suggestions?

Some porn stars I love to give you all an idea - Yui Nagase, Airi Suzumura, Shuri Atomi for asians. Then bonniebruise, hotfallingdevil, Tessa Winters

Naomi Woods
Melody marks 
Kyler Quinn 
Haley Reed 
Jenny Wild
Serena Torres 
Kendall Karter 
Lena Anderson 

I love latinas too,

Valeria Rey 
Paola Rey 
Valeria Gonzales 
Gina Valentina

British accent is really sexy, lilly collins was a childhood crush.

Any help is greatly appreciated! Thank you.

[Liverpool]

Best advice? Don't go for an escort to lose your virginity with. Go for a civvie.

Worst case scenario for you is spending a lot of money and then having a shit time.

[Tokidoe]

Best advice? Don't go for an escort to lose your virginity with. Go for a civvie.

Worst case scenario for you is spending a lot of money and then having a shit time.

Good suggestion but OP may be socially anxious and is desperate to lose it given the “age” factor and social pressure. I lost it to an SP and afterwards it boosted my confidence to go for normal encounters and such.

Just find someone that offers GFE and speaks good english whatever languages you speak well to communicate, don’t mention you’re a virgin otherwise you may run the risk of getting exploited. Unfortunately prices now are probably ranging in the £200+ range. I got lucky having found a unicorn 10 years ago, but don’t just aim for looks, its mostly the experience.

[Hobbit]

Hello,

I am in London for a few weeks. I stay near Borough High St, London SE1 1JX the underground station. I am willing to travel an hour.

I am a 27 year old man. I am a virgin and want to try a GFE experience with an escort. I will willing to pay a premium price to ensure the experience is not bad. I like Asians (like 5990593), Brazilians, thin young petite girls with a bubbly personality. Does anyone have any suggestions?

Some porn stars I love to give you all an idea - Yui Nagase, Airi Suzumura, Shuri Atomi for asians. Then bonniebruise, hotfallingdevil, Tessa Winters

Naomi Woods
Melody marks 
Kyler Quinn 
Haley Reed 
Jenny Wild
Serena Torres 
Kendall Karter 
Lena Anderson 

I love latinas too,

Valeria Rey 
Paola Rey 
Valeria Gonzales 
Gina Valentina

British accent is really sexy, lilly collins was a childhood crush.

Any help is greatly appreciated! Thank you.

Think about this very carefully as losing your virginity is no laughing matter. I lost my virginity to an escort several decades ago and I was lucky that it was a great experience with a very attractive woman but it also meant it took me down the path of punting for several years spending thousands of pounds.

My advice would be not to see a hooker as it is extremely addictive and costly. Just find a civvie.

[Ron89]

I lost my virginity to a hooker and wouldn’t say it’s a big deal - it’s very easy to overthink such a thing.

[MysteryManNo.7]

As others have said think very carefully about this. I imagine you have hyped up losing your virginity to be something mythical and magical when in reality it's just sex.

I lost mine with a civvie girl back when I was 18 and the experience was quite meh. Went on too long, had no lube and neither of us were able to cum. I understand however you may just be wanting to get it out of the way which is fair enough as it will play on your mind I get that.

Just please don't overhype it in your head. It's just sex and with an escort I'm worried you may catch EAS the second you blow your load in herm

[Waterhouse]

Am I the only one who thinks this is a wind-up post? 

[anishgeek]

@liverpool

I have no game, or confidence. I am skeptical of getting a civvie in such short notice. I can't develop a deep emotional bond in the few weeks I am here so I might as well sleep with a girl who is super attractive.

@Tokidoe

hmm yeah I was thinking if I should mention being a virgin. I really don't mind the price but getting such a unicorn seems to be more about luck than throwing money at girls who think their pussy is plated with gold.

@Hobbit

I won't be in UK for long, I will go back to my country where it is far harder to get escorts. I did think hard about this. I need to get this thing out of my system, it is really holding me back when intereacting with women. At 27 it feels like a red flag already to not have any experience.

@MysteryManNo.7

nah I mean I read enough to know it is likely going to be like using a sex doll ++, not comparable to having sex with someone who you love and who loves you back. I don't think I hyped it up. Since it is legal here, I expect better quality, more reviews, less chance of getting STDs, more options. I just wanted the experience and if I don't feel comfortable I will back out at any point. It is not like I HAVE to lose my virginity like this. I would like to have sex and with civies I am just getting friendzoned so often that I am just done with it. Like seriously... lmao I really am not that ugly or without charm.

[myothernameis]

Am I the only one who thinks this is a wind-up post? 

Think something not right with this op, now just wonder if he is a returning banned member

[dubs]

Go to a Phoenix party and lose your V in style.

[puntingpumping1920]

Contact a British High end agency and they will recommend you a girl

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[tomvi]

You mentioned GFE, thin, petite and bubbly personality.
Maybe the last one I reviewed would be a good suggestion at an affordable price.
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But she is neither Asian nor Brazilian. And she is older than you (29 yo)

[Stevelondon]

Am I the only one who thinks this is a wind-up post? 

Nope !!!

[tp69]

I wouldn't bother going expensive for your first. Very high likelihood it'll be rubbish, and her being a stunner may make it worse as it could make you more nervous/anxious.

I'd sooner book one or two sessions with someone decent as a warm-up, and then book your session with your chosen stunner later in the day, or the following day.

[MysteryManNo.7]

Absolutely no reason to go high-end as it just equals overpriced but some men seem to enjoy paying way over the odds for some reason 

My first punt was at HOD, cost £130 for the hour and was brilliant. It wasn't my first time having sex however.

[puntingpumping1920]

Absolutely no reason to go high-end as it just equals overpriced but some men seem to enjoy paying way over the odds for some reason 

My first punt was at HOD, cost £130 for the hour and was brilliant. It wasn't my first time having sex however.

I only recommended those agents because they will have experience in dealing with customers like OP

[tp69]

As for recommendations, here are some very highly rated London girls to think about. All would probably give you a good first go.

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HOD have some good looking and well rated girls too, Gabriela for one.

[Moby Dick]

Try your sister.

[tp69]

Try your sister.

Why the need to say something so horrible? Wind up or not.

[MysteryManNo.7]

I only recommended those agents because they will have experience in dealing with customers like OP

Sounds like they would love to get a person with 0 experience of punting through their door for the first visit to fleece them with absurd pricing however OP has said he's willing to pay a premium price there's just no need to.

[massagepuntingfan]

Concur with the above comments absolutely no need to spend on a high end girl. Research top GFE escorts on here. One comes to mind is Ellie Rose who is one of the top GFE escorts in London.
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[Surrey1974]

For Thai can't go wrong with Anna at Olina. The guy on the phone is very helpful and may suggest a different girl to your needs.

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[Botev Plovdiv]

I would advise:

1. Fluent English speaking girl because you want someone with perfect English so as to avoid any confusion.  (see 3 below).
2. Someone with very good ratings. Do your research on here. Do not rely on AW reviews
3. Go for someone who is happy to converse via email or the AW app or WhatsApp so you can explain what you want /need. If they are happy to engage then that, coupled with a look at UKP reviews, will give you the confidence that they might be the right one.

You could speak to an Agency and ask for recommendations. Maxes comes to mind because they have a lot of English girls on the roster and either the Agency can have the dialogue with the girl or you could correspond on the Agency chat forum. However it is a public forum so you may not be comfortable with that. People on there though are generally very civilised to each other.

Let us know how you get on. 
BP

[dryanse8]

Best advice? Don't go for an escort to lose your virginity with. Go for a civvie.

Worst case scenario for you is spending a lot of money and then having a shit time.

Sound advice

[jesse4585]

nah I mean I read enough to know it is likely going to be like using a sex doll ++, not comparable to having sex with someone who you love and who loves you back. I don't think I hyped it up. 

Might be setting your expectations a little low to expect it to be like a sex doll+ .   Punting sex can be great - admittedly I've not had that many Civies - but my best punts have been better than all my civvie sex excluding only my top 3 GFs.

I would like to have sex and with civies I am just getting friendzoned so often that I am just done with it. Like seriously... lmao I really am not that ugly or without charm.

Yeah I hear this a lot.  Many my generation (50+) just dont realise how much harder dating civvies has became for young men who aren't well above average.  (Due mainly to the effects of dating apps, but probably about 6 other factors)

Youre taking a chance either way - but I'd say having a few punts while in UK is more likely to do you good than harm, especially re the confidence with women factor, that often makes the  difference.

Probably by "bad punt" you mean the risk of it being a bad experience due to negative vibes from the girl.  As others are saying,  in the general case throwing money at the issue is not the best way to lower that risk. Pricy girls are if anything more likely to have an attitude than  a mid range brothel lass. 

With that said, I'd trust puntingpumping1920  to know the high end market, and if money is no object to you, I'd first recommend you call either of the two agencies he posted to you.  Tell the person who answer the phone it will be the your first time and they'll probably try to help. (Be on your guard for them trying to fleece you - but dont expect it, some people in this game have some decency to them)

If those don't appeal, then like tp69 suggested, Gabriella at HoD may be a great choice.  Really charming, easy going & gentle. I've punted her many times & I'd eat my hat if she turned out to be the type to give bad attitude to a newbie. She's just posted a new video:  External Link/Members Only  . Book her from here if you can: External Link/Members Only  She seems to be doing Tue, Thurs & Sunday in Victoria, only about a 20 min journey for you.

If Gabriella's not for you or too hard to book, i'd also agree you should consider trying the Olina agency.

Generally I'd recommend someone like yourself try an agency first - for me at least they are safer than an AdultWork punt.  And consider getting in 3-4 punts before you go home, even if only one is for a high end girl.  Sex generally gets better with a bit of experience...

[Liverpool]

OP: as others have said don't waste you time with high end agencies that PP1920 touts for. If it's your 1st time, as I said originally, you could end spending a lot and end up having a shit time. If you are going for an escort there are lots at much better value. Also don't mention you are a virgin/new to this etc etc, they will see you coming a mile off and give you some ropey service. Go in with confidence, whether it be real or not.

Why are you limited to such a short space of time to lose your virginity? Can't you lose it outside of the time period you stated?

[Colston36]

Why the need to say something so horrible? Wind up or not.

Totally agree. Nasty, smart-arse, cheap, derogatory, unhelpful and against what UKP is for. He should stick something he likes - scribbling on toilet walls for instance.

[LLPunting]

IF money isn't a constraint then perhaps choose a different country to lose your V repeatedly over a week.  By that I mean go on a punting holiday to Thailand or Colombia or any other mongers paradise as recommended by the veterans posting in the Overseas boards here and on ISG.  They can point you to girls with decent enough English and plenty of passion for hire to give you a good time until you're amped up enough to try punting local girls despite the language barrier.  London is not the best place to find value for money, no matter how much you spend.

If it must be in London then:
If you have any anxiety about being able to perform with a stranger then start moderately 100-200 ph range, plenty of positive reviews here with game agency or indie girls.  Pick one you like the look of and just give the mechanics a good shakedown.  Perhaps only get a rub'n'tug if you absolutely want to save your fuck cherry for a higher value punt.
Once you've certified everything is in good working order then you could go big and try a MFF(F...) encounter to celebrate your cherry popping in style.  Hendrix and few others have reviewed some great blowouts, just flick through the last month of so of reviews.
Or if you have to then try an expensive SP with decent consensus about her performance, not just one punter's opinion.

If you've got looks and charm as you claim why not just play the Tinder/Bumble game here in London?  Make it clear on your profile you're visiting London every so often and want to have fun with a girl, enjoying what London has to offer.  More than a few good time mercs will be available for fucking in return for some dining out and perhaps some treats.

[isaac_gauss]

"At 27 it feels like a red flag already to not have any experience."

Many girls will say "paid for sex" is a red flag. Just a warning. But a flag is by nature something visible. So this, like virginity, can only be a true red flag if you reveal it.

You say you're willing to pay a premium price - how much, exactly? If it's around £1000, I'd suggest dividing that between 3 or 4 girls instead. Up to you, of course. Girls in the mid-lower range are the ones that most UKPers tend to see and review, so you'll have more info to work with.

One recommendation from me:

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[JAPrufrock61]

I would actually go for an older provider
Sarah at House of Divine would be my suggestion
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She will definitely give you a good experience and she is super gorgeous.   

[Liverpool]

OP: also cut down on your porn consumption as well. That will do you the world of good as well.

[Tokidoe]

OP: also cut down on your porn consumption as well. That will do you the world of good as well.

LOL, spoken truth. Personal share from me losing it to an SP is that I never managed to finish cause I was so used to my death grip. I still have issues today finishing with BJs, and I stopped that addiction as soon as I joined this site. At least you could pass off that you have the stamina to last, but then you’d just be getting off with a 1pop. 😂

[anishgeek]

@myothernameis I am not right in the head. Hopefully in a good way lmao

@dubs swingers parties like that scare me, I am a noob here.

@puntingpumping1920 these girls look all fake and polished. I want a girl next door vibe, no fake tits, etc.

@tomvi I appreciate the recommendation, but I think porn has ruined me. I don't find most of these girls attractive even in their photos. Imagine how it will be in person.

@jesse4585 wow sometimes it can be THAT good huh. maybe it is too early to give up on hobbying lol

I appreciate your detailed response. Let me think over it. I was willing to spend money for experience but now I feel like the odds are not in my favor. Either I have PIED which I need to fix or some psychological block around this, or it is just my nature to need a stronger emotional bond.

The girl can be pretty and flirt with me, but physical intimacy requires a level of trust and comfort that is hard for me to rush.

@Liverpool I am in UK for like 2 more weeks. I need to fly back to my country, not sure when I will be back. Not many places where it is legal like this. I worry about the girls being part of some human trafficking ring or being coerced by drugs or physical violence. That was why I did not engage when I was in patayya/thailand. Here I think most girls are doing it for money and that seems like a legitimate/moral exchange of value/trade. This applies to what @LLPunting asked too.

I understand the girl is faking passion and it is hard for me to really suspend disbelief and tap into the primal state of horniness.

Actually I have been getting nice matches on tinder and I might go on dates with them, take them out on some fancy dates and see if I get lucky with a civie. I feel like some girls are checking me out for sure haha.

@Tokidoe

Yeah thanks for the advice gents. I did not realize how bad things were until recently I have a VR headset, 8k resolution porn and even imported onaholes from japan. I might have gone too deep into the porn habit before I realised it. I am used to a selection of the best porn stars, appearing in front of me and going bareback into a well lubricated warm sleeve with custom texture. I am spoiled in terms of hedonism.

I did stop porn for a week or so before yesterday's punt and my honest opinion is that it was more psychological than anything porn induced but who knows I might be wrong.

I really love this community here and I really appreciate all the answers and input I have gotten. Thanks a lot to those who kept their mind open to the reality that I am not a troll. 

[southcoastpunter]

A question Op please: how come you say you dislike fake boobs etc yet you like (got hooked on?) porn.?

I don't do porn much these days because for me its now boring and it seems all the women have large fake boobs. So have i got that wrong or how come you like fake in porn but not in person?

[Jeffers77]

err are you saying you cant find porn without fake tits? No idea where you are looking if so.

[Lou2019]

A question Op please: how come you say you dislike fake boobs etc yet you like (got hooked on?) porn.?

I don't do porn much these days because for me its now boring and it seems all the women have large fake boobs. So have i got that wrong or how come you like fake in porn but not in person?

There’s shed loads of porn with us type of plain natural girl next door kind of look. There’s something for everyone’s taste.

[Lou2019]

Assuming this is a genuine post

OK just a view from the other side of the fence.

Just a suggestion OP, you may wish to start with a 30/45 min booking with the option to extend. With the right research so to speak I’m sure you will find someone suitable and respectful to your needs what with it being your first time.

I have seen a few guys in the same position as you and I was aware in advance that they were a virgin. We had some lengthy communications prior to the booking discussing what they would like to try, clothing/underwear choice right down to what music to play to ensure they booking flowed well and it was to their expectations. I did make a point of saying if at anytime you are uncomfortable or nervous it is ok to leave or just chat.

Happy to answer any questions.

Enjoy yourself.

[southcoastpunter]

I don't do porn much these days because for me its now boring and it seems all the women have large fake boobs.

There’s shed loads of porn with us type of plain natural girl next door kind of look. There’s something for everyone’s taste.

err are you saying you cant find porn without fake tits? No idea where you are looking if so.

perhaps i shouldn't have said "all the women" but maybe many or most. But it did seem to me that the majority did. Perhaps it just seemed that way to me because i really dislike them! As I said i don't do porn the days - can't remember when i last looked!

[jesse4585]

Either I have PIED which I need to fix or some psychological block around this, or it is just my nature to need a stronger emotional bond.

A 4th and IMO more likely option is you were just nervous on your first time. Good wood largely comes from your unconscious side, and that side may have been nervous, even if conscious you felt fine.  Like with most things, people generally get less nervous with repeated attempts.

I read youre starting to get better Tinder matches, maybe that's the thing to focus on. But whether its with civies or punting, do keep trying for real sex - when its good its incomparably better than solo sex. And at least for me my very best years were in my 20s, so dont rush , but don't wait too long either.    Thanks btw for paying us back for our advice with a review. 

[stampjones]

Hi OP. May be too late but you might want to consider seeking. Its kind of half way between escorting and proper dating. You’re more likely to be able to build up a rapport. More time for your money. The downside is you cant just pick a girl and go. As long as you can have a normal conversation you should be able to find a girl. Presumably you already have a hotel. Expect to pay 70ish for membership plus 200-300+ for a few hours with a girl. Prices vary depending on the type of girl you like. You can go on a date first if you prefer. Couple of rules. Never pay money up front. Get the girl onto whatsapp before discussing anything about sex or cash.

[Liverpool]

Never pay money up front. Get the girl onto whatsapp before discussing anything about sex or cash.

And double check they're ok with a McDonalds as well 

[tidytuz]

My advise for OP:

1. You are a 27 Yr old virgin because you are doing something wrong & need to make radical changes somewhere in your life. What those changes are is for you to decide.

2. Give up porn (porn is a de-sensitising sedative that is harmful to the male brain) and ideally masturbation too. This will become easier to do when you substitute this habit with being pleasured by real women. But your brain has to get used to this transfer...it may not click so easy right away.

3. If you can improve your hygiene in any areas do it. Shower daily & trim your pubes if you haven't done so already. Change your bedsheets fortnightly. Turn off your pc  / tablet / smartphone or put it in another room when you go to bed.

4. There is no need to spend a penny more than £150/hr on your first experience - and choose a woman with good reviews on here. The idea of using an ultra-expensive agency like Kingslover or a swamp like Seeking Arrangements is the worst advice I've ever seen.

5. Consider a naked Body to Body massage to ease you in, rather than going for full sex. Enjoy just being naked with a woman. Or, consider a shorter booking just getting a blowjob (preferably with no condom). If you can find an escort that will let you cum on her face.. even better...your confidence will be boosted by the sight of your spunk on a real woman's face, rather than on your hand, your bedsheets or in your sock.

Be lucky 

[KatieEdinburgh]

My advise for OP:

1. You are a 27 Yr old virgin because you are doing something wrong & need to make radical changes somewhere in your life. What those changes are is for you to decide.

This feels quite mean spirited and also completely not true. Especially if he’s not from UK I’m imagining there may be cultural reasons such as the pressure to wait until marriage to lose virginity or many other reasons.

Also you want to suggest to, for example, the wheelchair bound clients I see that if they struggle to get regular civvy sex that the problem lies with them? The problem is usually with how society sees you, not yourself

Naturally you can have that opinion if you choose but I wouldn’t say it’s very helpful at all 🤷‍♀️

[anishgeek]

A 4th and IMO more likely option is you were just nervous on your first time. Good wood largely comes from your unconscious side, and that side may have been nervous, even if conscious you felt fine.  Like with most things, people generally get less nervous with repeated attempts.

I read youre starting to get better Tinder matches, maybe that's the thing to focus on. But whether its with civies or punting, do keep trying for real sex - when its good its incomparably better than solo sex. And at least for me my very best years were in my 20s, so dont rush , but don't wait too long either.    Thanks btw for paying us back for our advice with a review. 

Oh this is a very solid hypothesis. I was not nervous outwardly but inside I was shitting bricks lmao. Yeah being nervous about performing or just the act itself did not help. I think the massage option with no pressure to have PIV sex might be the way to go.


@EVERYONE please tell me some good massage places in London, I would love to check that out. Should I maybe make a own post?


@Online southcoastpunter Like others said there is a lot of amateur porn out there, gone wild, xvideos, and even among porn stars there are those girls I mentioned who pulls off the natural look/girl next door.

I don't think I am hooked to porn, I have not watched porn for weeks now. I have a great career, loving friends, I am super busy so I don't have time honestly lmao.

I am from a traditional country and me being a virgin at 27 is mostly due to being raised in that kind of culture and having very high standards with girls. I feel horrible having a fling with girls who like me since I know they want more from me (relationship) than what I can give them. With escorts I feel much more morally at ease because I know I am paying for sex while in other cases it often feels like on some level the girl is giving me sex hoping I will change my mind and date her seriously. idk if it makes sense to you guys.

I end up simping for and being overly clingly with girls I fall for, I get friendzoned and overall not able to date the girls I like. It gets harder at my income and intelligence level to find girls who can relate to me and tolerate my atypical neurodiversities.

Anyway I am gonna be fine, thanks for the concern @tidytuz

It just feels like so much time to do all this research haha trawling through all the reviews. It feels like there is value here to scrape all the reviews and provide some structure like the ability to set tags, rate talent on multiple dimensions, using NLP to kinda cluster the workers. idk considering how it is legal in UK I expected a more developed industry.

[Colston36]

The industry is a damn sight more developed than in the US where it's all illegal. Having spent a lifetime with clients all over the world, most of whom hadn't a clue I think it's surprisingly well organised compared with, say, the banking industry. But then again, it is the oldest profession.

[LLPunting]

Oh this is a very solid hypothesis. I was not nervous outwardly but inside I was shitting bricks lmao. Yeah being nervous about performing or just the act itself did not help. I think the massage option with no pressure to have PIV sex might be the way to go.


@EVERYONE please tell me some good massage places in London, I would love to check that out. Should I maybe make a own post?


@Online southcoastpunter Like others said there is a lot of amateur porn out there, gone wild, xvideos, and even among porn stars there are those girls I mentioned who pulls off the natural look/girl next door.

I don't think I am hooked to porn, I have not watched porn for weeks now. I have a great career, loving friends, I am super busy so I don't have time honestly lmao.

I am from a traditional country and me being a virgin at 27 is mostly due to being raised in that kind of culture and having very high standards with girls. I feel horrible having a fling with girls who like me since I know they want more from me (relationship) than what I can give them. With escorts I feel much more morally at ease because I know I am paying for sex while in other cases it often feels like on some level the girl is giving me sex hoping I will change my mind and date her seriously. idk if it makes sense to you guys.

I end up simping for and being overly clingly with girls I fall for, I get friendzoned and overall not able to date the girls I like. It gets harder at my income and intelligence level to find girls who can relate to me and tolerate my atypical neurodiversities.

Anyway I am gonna be fine, thanks for the concern @tidytuz

It just feels like so much time to do all this research haha trawling through all the reviews. It feels like there is value here to scrape all the reviews and provide some structure like the ability to set tags, rate talent on multiple dimensions, using NLP to kinda cluster the workers. idk considering how it is legal in UK I expected a more developed industry.

You're neurodiverse how?

Are the women you're crushing on out of your league looks wise?

Now you want to apply social media and commercialised search categorisations to UKP...  Spend a few hours considering why that would be a bad idea and very difficult to implement, if you cannot see that then perhaps consider a change in career as well as the change in your attitude to sex and women that others have suggested and you may be coming around to.

Perhaps your username is a clue to your cultural background, perhaps it isn't but the fact you're on this site indicates that whatever social norms you pretend to observe or pay lip service to "back home" (given you claim women you aren't interested in are making themselves available to you) they don't stop you from violating them because it's a little more legal here.  If you are from South Asia then there is a significant sex-for-sale industry and probably lots more locked away in encrypted messaging groups.  Not difficult with someone of your intellect to safely negotiate. 

If you're already conscious of the "errors" you make in courting the women you find attractive then why not focus on the self-improvement in your inadequate psycho-social programming?  There is something fundamentally flawed in your logic of using sex-workers to "normalise" your value set and behaviours.

If you're a man of means (it seems you are) then why not emigrate if you'd rather date East Asians or Caucasians or "women who are your intellectual peer and your compassionate superior"?  Seriously is Raj or Sheldon your icon?

[tp69]

@EVERYONE please tell me some good massage places in London, I would love to check that out. Should I maybe make a own post?

Mate, you had so many guys give you advice as requested, and you literally took not a single piece of it. You went off and punted a girl with ZERO positive reviews, although seemingly she did nothing wrong, but she probably didn't have anywhere near the experience of dealing with a nervous virgin than those on the list I put up for you.

it often feels like on some level the girl is giving me sex hoping I will change my mind and date her seriously.

I thought you said you're a virgin? How can you feel horrible about something you've never done? So you feel horrible about someone wanting to sleep with you, in case it's her that's going to get attached and hurt, yet you're simping over the ones you actually want. Man, grow a pair and live a litte. Sorry but come on.

I end up simping for and being overly clingly with girls I fall for, I get friendzoned and overall not able to date the girls I like.

In my experience, you get friend-zoned because the girl is not attracted to you. Simple as that. If a girl is attracted to you, it's all pretty simple.

It gets harder at my income and intelligence level to find girls who can relate to me and tolerate my atypical neurodiversities.

There are no smart women in your country? If you're looking for PHD bearing super models and you look like Donald Trump, you may need to temper your requirements.

You're over thinking it. Sex doesn't have to be so complicated or emotional.

[mrpunterton]

Found this thread after replying to the escort review post as it's the only part of the site that I normally frequent.  My replies may be harsh but sometimes that is the only way:

It certainly seems like you are aiming for women that out of your league.  There is no such as thing as the friendzone, if she is attracted to you and you have resources you will never enter the friendzone unless she is already involved with someone in which case she will keep you in her orbit as a standby if things go wrong with her current partner.

You think it's immoral to have sex with a woman who is offering it to you as means to get into a relationship?  What do you think about their morals for being willing to do that?  Guess what, there is no difference between those women and the women that are friend zoning you, if you was good looking enough the ones friendzoning you would be offering you the same proposition.  This makes sense if you are getting tinder offers, as on tinder the women are also unrealistic, you will get offers from women who are slightly below you on the looks scale.

It could be solely due to culture but I am pretty certain you have unrealistic views and expectations of what women actually are and have an elevated view of yourself. No woman is going to be attracted to your intellect, it will always come behind looks and resources.  This mythical woman you have in your head does not exist and will never exist.  I will hedge that where you are from most marriages where traditionally arranged so it did n't matter that the cultural view vs reality was distorted.

You need to be honest with yourself and be more introspective.  What is more important: that you lose your viginity or who you lose it to?  Does it matter who you lose it to?  Does it matter if does n't match your expectations?  Would you have sex with an escort from your own country if there was no chance of being caught?  If not why not?

[KatieEdinburgh]

It certainly seems like you are aiming for women that out of your league.  There is no such as thing as the friendzone, if she is attracted to you and you have resources you will never enter the friendzone unless she is already involved with someone in which case she will keep you in her orbit as a standby if things go wrong with her current partner.

Terrible advice imo, women do not tend to subscribe to such black-and-white rules as that lol. Everyone’s different. 

[RaajValdez]

Forget spending so much money. Get yourself on AW, fine someone local that you like that can accommodate, and book 30 mins, 1hour tops. Don’t think of the experience as a space shuttle launch where everything has to be perfect. It won’t be. So no point having such high expectations and spending so much money. Spending a lot doesn’t guarantee perfection.