Should B&S (Bait & Switch) reviews automatically be classified as a negative?

[Stevelondon]

Stevelondon you questioned the OP's decision to rate it negative then told him to read posts by me on this thread? I have said the same throughout, the poster decides the rating and others should accept that so yes I am missing your point.

.PumpDump twice you've used analogies to question the OP's decision to rate it as negative, that is not offering your opinion it is questioning his.

By all means post what you would do in any given situation but leave others to do the same.  We all have different standards and expectations therefore we all have different opinions. Members should respect the opinions of others however too often that is not the case and reviewers are told by others that their rating is wrong.

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This thread was started to ask if a review should have an automatic rating and the answer was a resounding no, there never has been nor will there ever be an automatic or even a recommended rating yet we are still getting people telling other how they should rate their reviews.

I did not question why the OP gave the review a negative. I was stating the fact.

On everything you have commented on I agree with.

[tynetunnel]

If I turned up and it wasn’t the girl I was expecting, I’d walk and she’d get a definite negative regardless of how fit she looks*



*unless she looks like Kristina Pimenova’s big sister 

[lillythesavage]

If I turned up and it wasn’t the girl I was expecting, I’d walk and she’d get a definite negative regardless of how fit she looks*



*unless she looks like Kristina Pimenova’s big sister 

That though is very different from staying and having a good punt, everybody is at liberty to walk and leave a negative, the question posed is should a positive punt be marked negative. 

[Rayray23k]

That though is very different from staying and having a good punt, everybody is at liberty to walk and leave a negative, the question posed is should a positive punt be marked negative. 

Correct. And admin has already made it clear that its down to the OP to decide and we should not influence it.
Many are understanding my point about not supporting deception and allowing it to flourish regardless of the outcome. But rules are rules.
Although I do like the idea suggested that a 4th category of B&S should be added in line with positive, neutral and negative.  Or make it a rule to have B&S added to the title?

[lillythesavage]

Correct. And admin has already made it clear that its down to the OP to decide and we should not influence it.
Many are understanding my point about not supporting deception and allowing it to flourish regardless of the outcome. But rules are rules.
Although I do like the idea suggested that a 4th category of B&S should be added in line with positive, neutral and negative.  Or make it a rule to have B&S added to the title?

Many reviews do have B&S in the title, many more are not sure, they say it could be, or not sure the pics are 100% accurate.

Giving accurate details in a review is more important than the pictures, they are mostly filtered to buggery if they are not harvested, if you like what you see and have a good bunk up, what is the big deal on the rating?

Reading them is the answer, not just assuming.

[daviemac]

Correct. And admin has already made it clear that its down to the OP to decide and we should not influence it.
Many are understanding my point about not supporting deception and allowing it to flourish regardless of the outcome. But rules are rules.
Although I do like the idea suggested that a 4th category of B&S should be added in line with positive, neutral and negative.  Or make it a rule to have B&S added to the title?

Mate, we can't even get people to put the location in the title or the booking length and price in the text, all of which are things we need to know.

The more rules you make about posting reviews the more it puts people off posting.

[Steely Dan]

Just to recap some old discussions - which are mostly consistent with this thread - there are several categories of B&S.  All are still unwelcome from what I read above.  We captured this in Puntingwiki some time back. If anyone suggests edit to this Wiki page after reading this thread, that is fine. Please make them or ask a PW editor to make them.  Seems to me we had it about right already though.

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[tynetunnel]

That though is very different from staying and having a good punt, everybody is at liberty to walk and leave a negative, the question posed is should a positive punt be marked negative. 

Depends if you are reviewing the advertised girl (who you didn’t see) or the one you saw (who isn’t the subject of the advert)

People tend to review the girl they saw not the girl who was in the advert/listing - there’s no guarantee that if you review her as being top notch, and I visit as a result, that I’ll see the same girl - therefore is the review relevant? If you buy a toaster on a*****n, and they send you a kettle and you like it so you keep it… if you then give a positive review to the toaster, you won’t have received or used it.

Perhaps then two reviews are needed - one for the advertised girl and one for the punted girl (assuming she can be identified

[90125]

Depends if you are reviewing the advertised girl (who you didn’t see) or the one you saw (who isn’t the subject of the advert)

People tend to review the girl they saw not the girl who was in the advert/listing - there’s no guarantee that if you review her as being top notch, and I visit as a result, that I’ll see the same girl - therefore is the review relevant? If you buy a toaster on a*****n, and they send you a kettle and you like it so you keep it… if you then give a positive review to the toaster, you won’t have received or used it.

Perhaps then two reviews are needed - one for the advertised girl and one for the punted girl (assuming she can be identified

2 Reviews 😂😂😂😂😂

[scutty brown]

2 Reviews 😂😂😂😂😂

I hate to say it...........but we've had people do it in the past

[daviemac]

I hate to say it...........but we've had people do it in the past

This was all explained in reply #22. A review can only be left if you have an agreed booking and you can't post 2 reviews about the same meeting.

A punter sees an advert and makes a booking with whoever is in the advert and that is who get's reviewed, whether or not she looks like the photos or description is made clear in the report and rated as the poster sees fit. Surely it isn't that difficult.   

 

[lillythesavage]

Depends if you are reviewing the advertised girl (who you didn’t see) or the one you saw (who isn’t the subject of the advert)

People tend to review the girl they saw not the girl who was in the advert/listing - there’s no guarantee that if you review her as being top notch, and I visit as a result, that I’ll see the same girl - therefore is the review relevant? If you buy a toaster on a*****n, and they send you a kettle and you like it so you keep it… if you then give a positive review to the toaster, you won’t have received or used it.

Perhaps then two reviews are needed - one for the advertised girl and one for the punted girl (assuming she can be identified

So you suggest searching the world for a profile that may or not be there, how can you do a review without a profile?

[Stevelondon]

Depends if you are reviewing the advertised girl (who you didn’t see) or the one you saw (who isn’t the subject of the advert)

People tend to review the girl they saw not the girl who was in the advert/listing - there’s no guarantee that if you review her as being top notch, and I visit as a result, that I’ll see the same girl - therefore is the review relevant? If you buy a toaster on a*****n, and they send you a kettle and you like it so you keep it… if you then give a positive review to the toaster, you won’t have received or used it.

Perhaps then two reviews are needed - one for the advertised girl and one for the punted girl (assuming she can be identified

Bloody hell.
I think a new thread should be started.
What’s the worst analogy used on UKP.
Feckin cars and now it’s feckin toasters. 😂

[bundaskwilz]

Surely you should just rate your experience.

if people are actually reading the reviews they will see its a B&S and then its down to them if they want to risk it. if you find the profile of the girl you actually saw just add it to your review. at least that way if it does happen for the next person they can say no sorry i was looking for "X"

[mrfishyfoo]

Just to recap some old discussions - which are mostly consistent with this thread - there are several categories of B&S.  All are still unwelcome from what I read above.  We captured this in Puntingwiki some time back. If anyone suggests edit to this Wiki page after reading this thread, that is fine. Please make them or ask a PW editor to make them.  Seems to me we had it about right already though.

External Link/Members Only

External Link/Members Only

This is no longer helpful then as it states a B&S shouldn't be rated positive which has now been contradicted by one of the bosses.

I have quoted the guide MANY times in the past when a punt was a B&S. It would seem to me that if I continue to do so I am inviting a ban for telling others what to do. 

Suggest the wiki needs updating. 

IMHO and FWIW as long as the title clearly states a punt was a B&S then the warning is there. 

[mrfishyfoo]

I hate to say it...........but we've had people do it in the past

AFAIR "OLDADMIN" was the one that suggested it. 

[Steely Dan]

External Link/Members Only

Suggest the wiki needs updating.

Fair point ... I have updated.  And added a hotlink to the B&S page which explains in more detail and has a link to this thread. Further updates welcome

[mrfishyfoo]

Fair point ... I have updated.  And added a hotlink to the B&S page which explains in more detail and has a link to this thread. Further updates welcome

 

[NotTooOld4It]

So this forum is a vital tool for anyone who punts to find out historical performances of a Working Girl.
It helps us save time and money by filtering out the rubbish and the questionable is down to our selves to judge.
But when it comes to a B&S, you can still have a positive experience. But that doesn't help the next guy because it's a gamble if he/she sees the same WG in that profile.
Bare in mind that a positive review undoubtedly brings the WG or pimp more traffic. Obviously the review is still important and it's great that in that occasion it turned out good, but it doesn't really help the next punter and I personally don't want to support WG or pimps who continuously practice such deceitful operations.
So should B&S not automatically be classed as a negative?

I suppose it depends on the outcome of the meeting. If the "switched girl gave good performance and was not unattractive, a positive review would seem correct ( or maybe a neutral, to reflect the disappointment of not meeting the girl you booked.

[southcoastpunter]

I suppose it depends on the outcome of the meeting.

No it doesn't - The Mods have given very clear instructions about the site rules on this (it is solely for the Op to give his rating (whatever the circumstances) and no one else should try to unduly influence that rating) -  so why is any more discussion needed?

[contentguy]

No it doesn't - The Mods have given very clear instructions about the site rules on this (it is solely for the Op to give his rating (whatever the circumstances) and no one else should try to unduly influence that rating) -  so why is any more discussion needed?

But then, if he’d bothered to read the thread before quoting the first post and responding, he’d realise that 

[daviemac]

But then, if he’d bothered to read the thread before quoting the first post and responding, he’d realise that 

NotTooOld4It doesn't like to read anything, he wants a separate review category for no-shows because he doesn't read negative reviews properly.      

[contentguy]

NotTooOld4It doesn't like to read anything, he wants a separate review category for no-shows because he doesn't read negative reviews properly.   

He’s been here even longer than you have Davie, perhaps we should bow to his experience.

Though he’d be better going to spec-savers and getting some new readers!   

[Metalgear2018]

I have seen a few reviews where a sp has been a b&s and it has been a positive review due to the performance of the sp during the punt.  I’m surprised because if it was a b&s it used to be an instant negative. I’m not to sure if the new generation of punters are less fussy or they are happy to give a honest review.

I understand the b&s from a sp point of view. Such as hiding identity or promoting their profile. But is it more acceptable nowadays to give it a positive if the punt was great ?

[daviemac]

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=350811.0

[Metalgear2018]

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=350811.0

Thank you

[LLPunting]

More specifically:

The only person that decides the classification for a Review is the OP.

The overall rule is “your review, your rating.”

There is no sense in auto-negging an experience because the girl didn't look like the photos and yet the punter CHOSE TO STAY AND PUNT.  We put the B&S label on reviews so those punters who only want to fuck the girls in the pictures can immediately swerve, those types of punter do not benefit from auto-negging but not labelling B&S because they still have to waste their time checking the reviews.

[fastnet]

If you have a positive experience then leave a positive review.
If it's a b/s then say so in the review.

[Stevelondon]

If you have a positive experience then leave a positive review.
If it's a b/s then say so in the review.

Yes…… it’s that simple.

[daviemac]

I thought posting the link to the already running thread on the subject would stop people posting here and save me from merging them, obviously not.