Strippers banned in Edinburgh – unless they keep their clothes on!

[Squire Haggard]

The feminazis are at work again, destroying livelihoods and peoples fun, all at the same time.

''Taking your clothes off would seem to be an essential part of your job if you work as a stripper.
But in an extraordinary ruling, those employed in the industry in Scotland have been told they can stay on in their jobs – as long as they cover up.
Around 100 dancers in Edinburgh have been left facing unemployment after the council used new powers to shut down all four strip clubs in the Scottish capital.''

''In protest, the United Sex Workers organisation has raised £20,000 to fight the decision under equality laws.''

''But Mandy Watt, deputy leader of the Labour-run City of Edinburgh Council, says the adult venues can remain open as long as the women dance with their clothes on. She said: ‘I understand concerns about people losing jobs but the venues could apply to stay open. All they need to do is not insist on women dancing naked. They don’t need to do that to operate.''

'‘I wouldn’t go to these venues to meet them because that would be inappropriate for a councillor. I believe the ban was the right decision because these clubs disempower women. They are not helpful for the view society has of women and their place in the world. I want to see women being treated with respect.’'

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No Mandy, you want to keep everyone just as miserable as you are. You hate the dancers because they are all better looking than you, and you hate the men because they would never pay to watch you. You're not allowing the dancers to decide whether they are being disempowered or not. YOU are going to decide for them. Making the staff lose their jobs does not bother you one bit. Knowing your kind, I'm not in the least surprised.

[Matrix]

This will probably be connected to this: https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=350370.0

Definitely another case of be careful who you vote for... OOPS! TOO LATE! 

If I didn't know better, I'd say there was some kind of plot to...

[TommyMoundfrigger]

This...

All they need to do is not INSIST on women dancing naked.

And the fact she says she won't visit...

Almost sounds like a hollow threat.

[daviebond]

All they need to do is not INSIST on women dancing naked.

I picked up on that too

[S.X. MacHine]

There’s nothing new under the sun. The anti sex kill joy element in Scottish society was around at the time of Robert Burns. The ‘unco guild’ he called them.
Then, it was justified on the basis of Presbyterian bigotry. Today, it’s championed by feminazi bigots.
The really depressing aspect is how repressive laws are driven by vocal minorities. Most people in Scotland couldn’t care less about strippers doing what they do.

[ComeAgain]

This will probably be connected to this: https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=350370.0

If I didn't know better, I'd say there was some kind of plot to...

Mandy Twat did it say?

[Massagetugga]

It was good to see Good Morning Britain did a slot on this yesterday. There was an eloquent ex-stripper on not in favour and defending women’s choices, and ex SNP Susan Dalgety trying but failing to justify the agenda.

The outcome was good in that the SNP’er didn’t seem to be convincing anyone.

If you Google GMB EDINBURGH STRIPPER quite a lot of stories come up like

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[Massagetugga]

Mods remove pls I quoted myself by accident when trying to edit above post

[Kieslowski]

Susan Dalgety, ex-SNP? 😂 She'd go absolutely mental if she heard that, she's about the most tribal Labour person in Scotland.

[Massagetugga]

Susan Dalgety, ex-SNP? 😂 She'd go absolutely mental if she heard that, she's about the most tribal Labour person in Scotland.

Haha 

[Marmalade]

Has anyone been recently and checked out how Burke n Bare handle it?

They have a stage for dancing. Clothes on.

What about the booths? Too small for a proper ‘dance’. Usually just a few ‘yoga positions’ as nature intended. The other thing is that the small space means it’s hard for the performer not to touch the customer. But I don’t think anybody minds. Hehehehe

Reports please!

[Marmalade]

You have to wonder if some of these SNP abolitionists had an abusive childhood or something that makes them so horrified at harmless sexual entertainment.

[Massagetugga]

You have to wonder if some of these SNP abolitionists had an abusive childhood or something that makes them so horrified at harmless sexual entertainment.

True. Where’s a bit of modern forward thinking

[Scotty]

The cry goes out FREEDOM! As long as it suits our political masters, they really are small minded and controlling.

[Kieslowski]

Guys, Edinburgh Council is a minority Labour administration, backed by the Tories and Lib Dems. That's who's made this daft decision. At least focus your anger at the right folk so they don't get off the hook.

[Marmalade]

Guys, Edinburgh Council is a minority Labour administration, backed by the Tories and Lib Dems. That's who's made this daft decision. At least focus your anger at the right folk so they don't get off the hook.

Nothing to do with the SNP who have the largest number on the council of course. 
Labour might have pushed it but they’re all responsible — which is similar to saying they are all irresponsible.

(I wrote a longer paragraph on each of the parties but deleted it as I don’t want to see the thread deleted for discussing politics. And Scottish politics is very divisive, so let’s drop that side.)

Who lives close by and can drop in for a test private dance?

[Marmalade]

I will say I’ve seen regulatory committees at work and they are an abuse of power. The ones I’ve seen or participated in were pre-loaded (the decision was taken in advance unofficially and a committee put together from different parties who all agreed). They then spend months and months of time and money in ‘consultations’ where they ‘listen’ to various opinions so they can say they have consulted. Then at the end they return the decision they had made when the committee was formed. It’s a complete hoax.

[Massagetugga]

I will say I’ve seen regulatory committees at work and they are an abuse of power. The ones I’ve seen or participated in were pre-loaded (the decision was taken in advance unofficially and a committee put together from different parties who all agreed). They then spend months and months of time and money in ‘consultations’ where they ‘listen’ to various opinions so they can say they have consulted. Then at the end they return the decision they had made when the committee was formed. It’s a complete hoax.

Totally agree. These supposed consultations are a joke. A bit like a granting a planning application while managing to overlook all the valid objections. Also like advertising a job when an house employee is already earmarked to fill the position. It stinks.

I’m increasingly sick of living in Edinburgh which I hate being the case. The devisive politics being part of it. 

[Marmalade]

I’m increasingly sick of living in Edinburgh which I hate being the case. The devisive politics being part of it.

I still think it’s a very beautiful city: but I do know what you mean.

[Kieslowski]

Nothing to do with the SNP who have the largest number on the council of course. 
Labour might have pushed it but they’re all responsible — which is similar to saying they are all irresponsible.

(I wrote a longer paragraph on each of the parties but deleted it as I don’t want to see the thread deleted for discussing politics. And Scottish politics is very divisive, so let’s drop that side.)

Who lives close by and can drop in for a test private dance?

Well no, this particular instance doesn't have anything to do with the SNP. It doesn't matter that they have the most councillors, because no party had enough for a majority, so it's run by Labour, who are backed by the Tories and Lib Dems. The SNP and Greens actually opposed this, so for once they're not all responsible.

[Marmalade]

Well no, this particular instance doesn't have anything to do with the SNP. It doesn't matter that they have the most councillors, because no party had enough for a majority, so it's run by Labour, who are backed by the Tories and Lib Dems. The SNP and Greens actually opposed this, so for once they're not all responsible.

Ok. Could you give me details, links, so I can see who’s who. I rather thought it was a Lab-SNP unofficial alliance that was driving it but am happy to be proved wrong. It’s not that important — it’s happened — I don’t feel anger about it, but it would be nice to know. These things can get quite complicated.

Certainly most of the publicity I’ve seen has pointed at the SNP, and they have form on this going back ten years. External Link/Members Only
Here’s some recent items:
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[Kieslowski]

This explains the situation pretty well: External Link/Members Only

The SNP's form on sex work is obviously pretty poor at the moment, mainly thanks to that middle class curtain-twitcher Ash Regan, but in this particular situation the SNP councillors were in favour of keeping the existing venues as they were, but were defeated by the Tory and Labour councillors voting to set the number of clubs to zero back in March: External Link/Members Only

[Marmalade]

This explains the situation pretty well: External Link/Members Only

The SNP's form on sex work is obviously pretty poor at the moment, mainly thanks to that middle class curtain-twitcher Ash Regan, but in this particular situation the SNP councillors were in favour of keeping the existing venues as they were, but were defeated by the Tory and Labour councillors voting to set the number of clubs to zero back in March: External Link/Members Only

Interesting. By the by, I don’t feel any of the parties in Scotland are worth voting for just now. But thank you for the links.

On the actual voting, it was ultimately decided by the Regulatory Committee. While the backroom pressure may or may not have been also in line with what you describe, it is hard to know. These ‘committees’ are stacked with believers in a certain outcome, irrespective of party. It has consistently been one of the vilest abuses of the Scottish governmental system.

[Marmalade]

I’m sure that, even if we weren’t old enough to actually read it in an actual print newspaper, people will somehow recall the hypocrisy of phrases like

"In a section of the city with a certain reputation women of a certain class suffering from certain diseases are charged with performing certain acts"

I have an update:

"In a section of the city with a certain reputation [Holyrood] women of a certain class [overpaid politicians] suffering from certain diseases [irrational psychosis] are charged with performing certain acts [bills] that interfere with the peaceful choice of members of the community to earn a living.”

The gallows would be too good for them: hounding them from office would however not be inappropriate.

[Marmalade]

We need not object to them keeping their clothes on.


As long as they let us slip a finger inside. 

[Matrix]

We need not object to them keeping their clothes on.


As long as they let us slip a finger inside. 

Would pulling their knickers to the side be a "violation"? 

[Marmalade]

Would pulling their knickers to the side be a "violation"? 

Only if you're going to lick it. Otherwise raise thy sights out of the gutter young man, and slide down the front or the back.
As Pythagoras said, "As above, so it is below."

[Matrix]

 

As Pythagoras said, "As above, so it is below."

Aye, and whoever designed the new St James centre certainly followed that rule. 

Very interesting shape indeed.

[Marmalade]

Current round up info
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More than 24,000 people have signed a petition to keep the clubs open. A two-day hearing has been set for December 1 and 2.
That's about a twentieth of Edinburgh's population. I expect a large proportion that hadn't signed didn't even know there was a petition so it's quite a lot.

[mills_and_bhuna]

Current round up info
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More than 24,000 people have signed a petition to keep the clubs open. A two-day hearing has been set for December 1 and 2.
That's about a twentieth of Edinburgh's population. I expect a large proportion that hadn't signed didn't even know there was a petition so it's quite a lot.

That is impressive.
I didn't know there was one in circulation or I would have signed it.
And it's been nearly twenty years since I darkened their doors as a one off.
Most people I ever discuss these things with couldn't give a shit about strippers.
The noisy, woke, virtue signalling minority seem to have a lot of clout way beyond their numbers.

[Massagetugga]

It’s good so many signed but I just about find it difficult to believe so many would!

[Keema]

It's nothing to do with wokeness - more an argument between different versions of feminism intermixed with a background of a lost historical battle when the council tried to close the saunas. 

[Marmalade]

That is impressive.
I didn't know there was one in circulation or I would have signed it.
And it's been nearly twenty years since I darkened their doors as a one off.
Most people I ever discuss these things with couldn't give a shit about strippers.
The noisy, woke, virtue signalling minority seem to have a lot of clout way beyond their numbers.

Most unfortunate. Edinburgh used to be one of the most liberal, civilised cities. Then a few fairly nameless people sit in a room and ban SWs. Then a gay Scottish police chief (unsuccessfully) tries to ban the parlours. Undeterred, some limp policemen start harassing indies by asking their neighbours if they’re aware of prostitution next door. Amidst all this, the strip bars deteriorated from places where you could occasionally get a good feel up a girl’s fanny to a strict no-touch (“unless accidental”) show and now a few similarly almost unknowners making pre-arranged decisions after fake consultations and using mouths bigger than their brains to put strippers out a job. Despicable.

[Marmalade]

Bit ridiculous how Glasgow can keep them open and Edinburgh can’t. It used to be the other way round, Glasgow ‘proud’ that ‘it didn’t have any’.

And what expertise do the councillors have to make such a decision?

Dr Brooke Magnati in her Sex Myth book analysed a famous case from Camden where a ‘concerned’ group submitted convincing-looking statistics apparently showing rapes had increased since strip clubs opened and were massively high compared to the rest of the country.

Not only were the basic statistics wrongly calculated, exaggerating the difference, but when they were adjusted for population growth, the rate per population had not only gone down but was lower than in other areas. (Perhaps sick predatory men who go to see women who choose to objectify themselves better see the difference so as to respect women who do not.)

Even after the figures had been corrected, the original flawed version continued to be quoted. 

[Keema]

Was over a few nights ago - one of the dancers reckoned they would stay open after Easter.  Mostly I've been going to Burke and Hare, but moved on to Diamond Dolls as there were too many guys and not enough girls on.

And I'm glad I did - bigger brighter cubicles and way more explicit dancing, and if you time it right you get to see another girl dancing across from you. The only downside is that dances are shorter.

[AlanWilkes35]

Hey Keema, how much more explicit?

[myothernameis]

Hey Keema, how much more explicit?

If its what I have experienced with some dancers, they would allow to touch there breasts, but at a cost....£50 cost

[Marmalade]

Diamond Dolls, even Burke & Hare, has generally been more expensive than the Western.

[Keema]

Diamond Dolls, even Burke & Hare, has generally been more expensive than the Western.

Twice as expensive in reality, pays for larger cubicles and better lighting.

[S.X. MacHine]

Update: in the highest traditions of good governance in general, and of transparency in particular, Edinburgh Cooncil are refusing to disclose how much taxpayer‘s money it has spent on the court action to defend their decision to deprive the strippers of their livelihood.
‘Sources’ close to the council, however, are talking of a sum not up adjacent to £80,000. Now, while this might sound like a lot to you, gentle readers, it should be seen in the context of overall of overall council expenditure. Consider, £80,000 is probably what is spent every day in building the state-of-the-art Victorian tram extension. And who could possibly argue with the wisdom of that?

[Massagetugga]

Update:  Consider, £80,000 is probably what is spent every day in building the state-of-the-art Victorian tram extension. And who could possibly argue with the wisdom of that?

Yes indeed £80,000 will be gone by the time the tram worker’s kettle goes on in the morning.

[webpunter]

+1
As she's miserable [just look at her boat] its her mission to make as many people as possible the same
She's a minger & will have known this since an early age
A nasty jealous envious attitude towards good looking women will have been stewing most of her life 
In addition to being a feminazi reck there's a high likelihood she's a Mnetter

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Sturgeon's supporting it as she too is a minger & she knows it

No Mandy, you want to keep everyone just as miserable as you are. You hate the dancers because they are all better looking than you, and you hate the men because they would never pay to watch you. You're not allowing the dancers to decide whether they are being disempowered or not. YOU are going to decide for them. Making the staff lose their jobs does not bother you one bit. Knowing your kind, I'm not in the least surprised.

[Josey Wales]

Edinburgh council now reviewing its policy to ban strip clubs (which was due to come into effect in April 23) according to this report:
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There is also a judicial review of the policy pending.

[webpunter]

A council showing signs of some common sense, well i never
Deffo the case that some of the jack-the-rippers will be economically forced to pursue other less safe avenues to earn money
The feminazi munter brigade will be fuming
Our friends over @Mnet, especially the Scoootish ones, will be going ballistic online
The mere thought of their downtrodden OHs still having an avenue to briefly enjoy themselves
Even worse spending 'their' money 

Edinburgh council now reviewing its policy to ban strip clubs (which was due to come into effect in April 23) according to this report:
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There is also a judicial review of the policy pending.

[Scotty]

With the new crackpot alcohol proposals from the SNP gov. there will be no pubs left for the girls to get their kit off.

[Keema]

Court of Session rules the ban is unlawful. External Link/Members Only

[Falkirk GND]

Court of Session rules the ban is unlawful. External Link/Members Only

Well, as I said to his Lordship on the way out of B&H the other week…

Seriously though, common sense has prevailed. A rare event in the courts!

[Scotty]

I am not a fan myself but for those that are, Edinburgh Council has just lost in court over the ban on lap dancing clubs. It seems a group of owners challenged the ban in court and won.

No doubt they will waste more tax payers money trying another route.

[myothernameis]

Court of Session rules the ban is unlawful

Even though the council have lost this case, dont think it over yet, so what will the council do next

[myothernameis]

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