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Sounds like the usual, tone deaf, government crap.

They want to lower men's want/need for sex.  :rolleyes:

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The SG are a bunch of inept cunts... Priorities should be health care, education to name but a few...

Nothing will supercede Indy Ref 2 till wee Jimmy is ousted with the rest of her cohorts  :wackogirl: :wacko:

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It’s always the same …some fat frigid MSP that’s never had a shag in her life that tries to impose these stupid things :manhater: :manhater: :dash:

Offline Problem Child

Priorities should be health care, education to name but a few...

Absolutely, but that doesn’t mean government should  ignore other ways to better people’s lifes and help those that need it.
They should concentrate on helping those who have been trafficked and forced into whoring.
Instead they’re going to fuck everyone.
Over the years punting has provided me with many moments of happiness, joy and pleasure. It really has made my life better.
In return I have given thousands of pounds to many women, most of whom would be unable to earn that kind of money in an other capacity, which in turn betters their lives too. It really is win/win for everyone involved.
Have these cunts even spoken to a genuine independent escort
« Last Edit: July 23, 2022, 07:06:05 pm by Problem Child »

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It's great to see the incredibly cliched kerb crawling picture.

I wonder what % of punts start off like that, these days?  :rolleyes: :dash:

I wonder how many guys under 50 have even experienced that situation?

They can't possibly portray any narrative other than what the hymn sheet dictates. That seems to apply to most avenues, these days.


Offline Squire Haggard

The arsehole formerly known as Ash Denham, now known as Ash Regan. Mr Denham has now done the right thing and fucked off. :rolleyes:

From the article...

''Community safety minister Ash Regan said: “We want all women and girls to be treated with respect, and tackling sexual exploitation is key to realising this. We are developing a framework for Scotland that effectively challenges men’s demand for prostitution.''

''“We must listen to and apply the lessons learnt from the approaches adopted by other countries, as detailed within the international evidence review research work. These reports are important milestones towards delivering our Programme for Government commitment.''


If Ash wants ''all women and girls to be treated with respect'' she should start by respecting the desire of SPs by keeping her nose out of their business. They insist that they are not being exploited, but Ash shows contempt for them by insisting that they are. The SPs dont want ''men’s demand for prostitution challenged'' either. The men, like the SPs, want Ash to keep her feminazi nose right out of their fucking business. :)

As for ''We must listen to and apply the lessons learnt from the approaches adopted by other countries''  why not copy the example of Germany and open some legal FKK clubs?  The SPs and the men would like this, but Ash wont have this because she is one of several feminazis in power who have a clear anti men agenda.


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Absolutely, but that doesn’t mean government should  ignore other ways to better people’s lifes and help those that need it.
They should concentrate on helping those who have been trafficked and forced into whoring.
Instead they’re going to fuck everyone.
Over the years punting has provided me with many moments of happiness, joy and pleasure. It really has made my life better.
In return I have given thousands of pounds to many women, most of whom would be unable to earn that kind of money in an other capacity, which in turn betters their lives too. It really is win/win for everyone involved.
Have these cunts even spoken to a genuine independent escort

It's sad as the "governments" immigration policy, which would be happily picked up by Holyrood, has led to more trafficking and coercion than before. I.E all the EE gangs that have made a "new start" here.

Frankly, the government is the cause of most of their problems, certainly on this issue.

It's the folk who need the most help, who'll likely suffer the most as a result of policy.   

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The arsehole formerly known as Ash Denham, now known as Ash Regan. Mr Denham has now done the right thing and fucked off. :rolleyes:

From the article...

''Community safety minister Ash Regan said: “We want all women and girls to be treated with respect, and tackling sexual exploitation is key to realising this. We are developing a framework for Scotland that effectively challenges men’s demand for prostitution.''

''“We must listen to and apply the lessons learnt from the approaches adopted by other countries, as detailed within the international evidence review research work. These reports are important milestones towards delivering our Programme for Government commitment.''


If Ash wants ''all women and girls to be treated with respect'' she should start by respecting the desire of SPs by keeping her nose out of their business. They insist that they are not being exploited, but Ash shows contempt for them by insisting that they are. The SPs dont want ''men’s demand for prostitution challenged'' either. The men, like the SPs, want Ash to keep her feminazi nose right out of their fucking business. :)

As for ''We must listen to and apply the lessons learnt from the approaches adopted by other countries''  why not copy the example of Germany and open some legal FKK clubs?  The SPs and the men would like this, but Ash wont have this because she is one of several feminazis in power who have a clear anti men agenda.

They want to police or Govern practically every aspect of life.

"Independence" indeed. Something which I've always been for, when taken literally.

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why not copy the example of Germany and open some legal FKK clubs?  The SPs and the men would like this

To be fair I don’t think many SPs I have spoken with ever want “legalised” brothels like the FKK clubs. They combine sex work with all the pitfalls of regular workplaces - overall lower pay, paying large cuts of your wages to the house, bosses having control of when you work, not able to work without a VISA, being fired etc; so having to jump through hoops regarding regulations actually then makes there a divide between the “legal” group of workers and then anyone not employed by the clubs “illegal” which increases police involvement for SPs who don’t work in a club.

Most SPs or at least the vast majority want full decrim. Not the legalisation model I describe above. I want everybody to be able to work, not just some of us. Eg. in Nevada, you have to register to apply to be a worker, which sounds fine in theory (like requiring testing, great!) but then who wants it on their record that they’ve worked as a hooker when it can ruin any chance of a civvie career after.

Sorry for going off on a tangent but don’t get it confused that’s what we’re campaigning for… Not even strippers fighting this current ban - we mainly all want Full Decrim.


Offline Squire Haggard

They want to police or Govern practically every aspect of life.

"Independence" indeed. Something which I've always been for, when taken literally.

Showing ''Independence'' by copying other countries. Beyond parody. :)

Offline Squire Haggard

To be fair I don’t think many SPs I have spoken with ever want “legalised” brothels like the FKK clubs. They combine sex work with all the pitfalls of regular workplaces - overall lower pay, paying large cuts of your wages to the house, bosses having control of when you work, not able to work without a VISA, being fired etc; so having to jump through hoops regarding regulations actually then makes there a divide between the “legal” group of workers and then anyone not employed by the clubs “illegal” which increases police involvement for SPs who don’t work in a club.

Most SPs or at least the vast majority want full decrim. Not the legalisation model I describe above. I want everybody to be able to work, not just some of us. Eg. in Nevada, you have to register to apply to be a worker, which sounds fine in theory (like requiring testing, great!) but then who wants it on their record that they’ve worked as a hooker when it can ruin any chance of a civvie career after.

Sorry for going off on a tangent but don’t get it confused that’s what we’re campaigning for… Not even strippers fighting this current ban - we mainly all want Full Decrim.

Please dont be sorry for anything. Its very interesting to hear that you would not want FKK clubs, or the Nevada model, and the reasons that you have given. Most importantly, you want full decrim. Men will want the same, I just wish that Ash Regan would listen to what everyone involved wants.
« Last Edit: July 23, 2022, 07:52:24 pm by Squire Haggard »

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wanting independence but also want to be in eu where its legal in most countries.

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Absolutely, but that doesn’t mean government should  ignore other ways to better people’s lifes and help those that need it.
They should concentrate on helping those who have been trafficked and forced into whoring.
Instead they’re going to fuck everyone.
Over the years punting has provided me with many moments of happiness, joy and pleasure. It really has made my life better.
In return I have given thousands of pounds to many women, most of whom would be unable to earn that kind of money in an other capacity, which in turn betters their lives too. It really is win/win for everyone involved.
Have these cunts even spoken to a genuine independent escort
If wee Jimmy ever deals with the problems in Govanhill/Allison Street that would be a start... That's her constituency, but she fucking ignores all the problems... She's a total cretin!  :vomit: :wackogirl:


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The media up here are terrified to lose their biggest paying customer. Holyrood.

Don't ask any awkward questions if you like being paid.

Offline S.X. MacHine

Firstly, I take encouragement from the way criminalisation has worked (or not worked) in Northern Ireland where the god bothering bigots and feminazis managed to bring in a version of the discredited ‘Swedish Model’ about eight years ago. After a brief initial dip in the amount of punting, people found that the Police Service Northern Ireland had neither the resources nor the motivation to go after people engaging in consensual sex for money.
There have been, I think, eight prosecutions in as many years. These, apparently, have been of egregious individuals; traffickers, kiddie fiddlers and the like. Otherwise, it’s business as usual. Check out the NI section on here.
The obstacle to prosecutions, apart from the issue of police resources, is an evidential one, as escorts have proved unwilling to rat out their clients.
Secondly, the good legislators of the Scottish Parley will have to formulate how to deal with women who pay other women for sex (surely the First Minister will have robust views on this), with men who hire TS escorts or men who hire men. The latter cannot justify a ban on the basis that it represents ‘violence against women’ which is, in any case, an entirely false narrative.

Offline Kieslowski

Secondly, the good legislators of the Scottish Parley will have to formulate how to deal with [...] men who hire TS escorts

Well this could be interesting, given Ash Denham/Regan/Whatever is one of the biggest transphobes in the parliament. This could be where the whole thing starts to unravel.

For those trying to link this daft bill to independence, you might want to have a look at what the UK Government is trying to do with the Online Harms Bill. If escorts can't advertise their services online in the first place, this Scottish Parliament bill becomes pretty redundant.

Offline Squire Haggard

Secondly, the good legislators of the Scottish Parley will have to formulate how to deal with women who pay other women for sex (surely the First Minister will have robust views on this), with men who hire TS escorts or men who hire men. The latter cannot justify a ban on the basis that it represents ‘violence against women’ which is, in any case, an entirely false narrative.

Excellent points. They will spend about 10 years wasting our taxes debating these points, then vanish up their own arseholes, where they first started out from. :rolleyes:

Offline zag69

Excellent points. They will spend about 10 years wasting our taxes debating these points, then vanish up their own arseholes, where they first started out from. :rolleyes:

They're a party of homosexuals and the thought of straight people getting it on horrify's them. I read somewhere they have the most gay people in one party from anywhere across Europe, that say's a lot considering how liberal some European countries are . They're radicals in every way and I liked Scotland better before they got in and started spreading their poison. Everything has gone down hill since they got power. Does anyone one really believe you know who isn't a lesbian and doesn't have a girlfriend tuck away up north?   

There's another SNP (Gay) man harassing a teenage boy in the paper today, another pervert using his position of power to try and force himself on an unwilling person. Could there also be a bit of pedophilia in their ranks? They're disgusting. At the same time they're trying to get involved in the business of consenting Adults. Hypocrites the whole party. If there's going to be a party leading Scotland to independence it can't be this bunch of deviants.   
« Last Edit: July 24, 2022, 11:45:38 am by zag69 »

Offline fedor

They really are a horrible bunch, but in all honesty is not just Wee Nippy and her cronies, its the whole lot of them. What ever happened the traditional libertarian value of as long as I am not harming anyone keep the **** out of my life. NOTHING angers me more than preachy asshats that want everyone to conform to how THEY want to live.

Aside from it being an utterly pointless endeavour, they clearly don't have the first idea of the actual reality of escorting. They paint it has some seedy, trafficked, curb crawling, scene, and while there is a darker side to it, that is very easily avoided with just a little bit of background research and I am sure very few people would take issue with them cleaning that side of things up. That is what they should be focusing on.

On the other side of things every experience I have had, has been safe, friendly, and far more natural than they could every imagine; and I have even developed a couple of friendships along the way.

Offline S.X. MacHine

Fedor, you are correct. Live like you want to live and, if you don’t want the peach, don’t shake the tree.
The abolitionists paint an imagined picture of the escorting industry, a dark one, not necessarily that they even believe it, but purely to sell their idea.
In truth, there are sufficient and robust laws in place to tackle the dark side of prostitution; laws against human trafficking, under age sex, kerb crawling, pimping, procuring and public solicitation. It is up to the police and prosecuting authorities to use these.
And, as the experience in Northern Ireland suggests, criminalisation of escorting is futile in practise. Mere gesture politics and virtue signalling. Sweden has tough anti punter laws. Now go and take a look at the number of escorts advertising in Stockholm.

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They're a party of homosexuals and the thought of straight people getting it on horrify's them. I read somewhere they have the most gay people in one party from anywhere across Europe, that say's a lot considering how liberal some European countries are . They're radicals in every way and I liked Scotland better before they got in and started spreading their poison. Everything has gone down hill since they got power. Does anyone one really believe you know who isn't a lesbian and doesn't have a girlfriend tuck away up north?   

There's another SNP (Gay) man harassing a teenage boy in the paper today, another pervert using his position of power to try and force himself on an unwilling person. Could there also be a bit of pedophilia in their ranks? They're disgusting. At the same time they're trying to get involved in the business of consenting Adults. Hypocrites the whole party. If there's going to be a party leading Scotland to independence it can't be this bunch of deviants.

is there any real difference in their policy to labour? its more to do with feminism than erotic preference? though its the first time ive heard that the nats are the party of homosexuals,
« Last Edit: July 24, 2022, 06:51:57 pm by willie loman »

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Mere gesture politics and virtue signalling.

Here here, not surpsied as this is the SNP's bread and butter. Appear to look like you are tackling the problem via the guise of identity politics and hey presto, "progressive" government.

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They're a party of homosexuals and the thought of straight people getting it on horrify's them. I read somewhere they have the most gay people in one party from anywhere across Europe, that say's a lot considering how liberal some European countries are . They're radicals in every way and I liked Scotland better before they got in and started spreading their poison. Everything has gone down hill since they got power. Does anyone one really believe you know who isn't a lesbian and doesn't have a girlfriend tuck away up north?   

There's another SNP (Gay) man harassing a teenage boy in the paper today, another pervert using his position of power to try and force himself on an unwilling person. Could there also be a bit of pedophilia in their ranks? They're disgusting. At the same time they're trying to get involved in the business of consenting Adults. Hypocrites the whole party. If there's going to be a party leading Scotland to independence it can't be this bunch of deviants.

And he believes all that just because they wear kilts...................

Offline Squire Haggard

And he believes all that just because they wear kilts...................

Before the Battle of Culloden, kilts would show the tartan of which clan you were inbred into.:) After Culloden, the clan system and tartan were both banned. You seldom see kilts nowadays, but when you think about it, they would make cottaging easier.   :rolleyes:

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you mean
you can get the men out of their kilts
but you can't get the kilts out of the men

Offline zag69

is there any real difference in their policy to labour? its more to do with feminism than erotic preference? though its the first time ive heard that the nats are the party of homosexuals,

Willie, do some research and you'll be surprised. Seek and ye shall find.

Offline S.X. MacHine

Willie, do some research and you'll be surprised. Seek and ye shall find.

In Naples they say that a fish rots from the head. Might this provide a starting point?

Offline Queynte

The article suggests criminalisation of punting but no crime by SP.  that sounds like a perfect combo for attempted blackmailing imo
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Offline Massagetugga

I liked Scotland better before they got in and started spreading their poison.

+1. It’s a sad day the way things are so divisive (and poisonous) with the very obvious never ending quest for independence. Obviously not what the thread’s about but I’m beginning to seriously dislike living through the reign of the fucking SNP. A reign that looks unlikely to end any time soon.

Offline seeker

I've never been able to figure out what all these
Usless MSP Cnuts actually do ...
Seriously  :thumbsdown:

Offline Watp

Best just emigrating the country has went downhill rapidly past 15 year.