Price of Petrol

[Blackpool Rock]

Noticed that too, even supermarkets, but not Costco, filled up there Saturday @ 170.7.

All the diesel sold at Costco is labelled premium diesel on the pumps, but still  has B7, must look into whether it actually is, with the cleaning agents. 

They are fucking about with diesel now too, 7 % bio elements and pumps have B7 on them.

Wondered what the B7 was, presumably Bio 7% then

[lillythesavage]

Wondered what the B7 was, presumably Bio 7% then

Yep, that is what I found out, but not clear on exactly what, just says bio elements.

Not found anything to say Costco are selling premium diesel even though the pumps say it is 

I doubt they are selling at a loss, they sell an awful lot, and are 15-18p cheaper than all the others for standard diesel, some milking the situation going on I think, supermarket price wars do not seem to be happening.

[Marmalade]

£1:96 a litre of petrol around my way and that's supermarket petrol station.  I expect it will soon be £2 a litre 

Imagine if you’d bought lots of it when it was 80 pence a litre I guess you could be making quite a wee profit now.

Not sure where you’d put it though… 

[timsussex]

IIRC there is a limit on what you store at home

[Blackpool Rock]

IIRC there is a limit on what you store at home

I believe it also starts to go "Stale" after about 6 months but this all depends on the storage conditions as the volatile bits in it evaporate, you can top it up with fresh petrol to refresh it

[lillythesavage]

I believe it also starts to go "Stale" after about 6 months but this all depends on the storage conditions as the volatile bits in it evaporate, you can top it up with fresh petrol to refresh it

Not a good idea, it does go off, quicker now than ever. Adding new petrol to old just makes it all old .

Son passed a filling station yesterday, Shell, with queues and 1.60 something a litre for petrol, 10p more for diesel, could be they needed to clear the tanks, or a drop in price is filtering through.

The high prices have probably reduced the amount sold and filled storage.

[Blackpool Rock]

Not a good idea, it does go off, quicker now than ever. Adding new petrol to old just makes it all old .

Son passed a filling station yesterday, Shell, with queues and 1.60 something a litre for petrol, 10p more for diesel, could be they needed to clear the tanks, or a drop in price is filtering through.

The high prices have probably reduced the amount sold and filled storage.

BP recommend topping up with 1/3 fresh fuel
External Link/Members Only

[lillythesavage]

BP recommend topping up with 1/3 fresh fuel
External Link/Members Only

Depends how far it is gone. Fuel suppliers are not going to tell you the product is shite  , and you are ignoring the ethanol in UK fuel, that looks to be Australia. UK petrol is now utter shite.

I have not done it, but apparently putting food dye in petrol, shaking it and leaving it settle, separates the ethanol visibly. It must separate in your tank if that is true. 

Draining my classics and refilling is no longer good enough, as I learned a couple of weeks back, the tank has to come out and flushed with vinegar.
I drained one, refilled it, drove it, and broke two rockers caused by sticking valves, head off and rebuild job. It also leaked from just about every rubber fuel hose, not too long after putting E10 in it.

[Gordon Bennett]

Imagine if you’d bought lots of it when it was 80 pence a litre I guess you could be making quite a wee profit now.

Not sure where you’d put it though… 

Well it wasn't that long ago (18 months?) when the cost of oil was nearly "negative" - oil producers were losing money with nowhere to store or transport it. Makes me think the current situation is them recouping what they lost back then before a general equilibrium returns.

[catweazle]

Didn't go out of my way to seek it out, but refilled with diesel  today, priced at £1.767. First I've seen under £1.80 for a good while.

As an aside,  several people (including my next door neighbour  who's a taxi driver) have said to avoid Asda diesel.  Apart from a vague "it's not good " no-one can say why. Any ideas?

[tynetunnel]

Ultimately, all diesel (or petrol) starts life as equal to all other brands. It is the additives that are put in to the fuel which for each brand are different. Total’s petrol tankers may for example fill up at the Esso terminal, but the fuel additives are different for each. The additives for the big boys: Shell, Esso, Total, Gulf, BP etc will be different from those for the supermarkets and of better quality

I was advised by an AA breakdown man to ensure that I filled up regularly with one of the premium brands so the engine had the benefit of the better additives. Especially in winter when cheaper unbranded diesel has a tendency to be waxy, which I found out to my cost one very chilly day!

[lillythesavage]

Ultimately, all diesel (or petrol) starts life as equal to all other brands. It is the additives that are put in to the fuel which for each brand are different. Total’s petrol tankers may for example fill up at the Esso terminal, but the fuel additives are different for each. The additives for the big boys: Shell, Esso, Total, Gulf, BP etc will be different from those for the supermarkets and of better quality

I was advised by an AA breakdown man to ensure that I filled up regularly with one of the premium brands so the engine had the benefit of the better additives. Especially in winter when cheaper unbranded diesel has a tendency to be waxy, which I found out to my cost one very chilly day!

I would not trust anything an AA employee says or does, all they know is how to plug a car in and read codes, when it comes to fuel, taxi drivers know where is good or bad.


Premium petrol is good, premium diesel is a con, though additives are not.

Buy your own quality additives, I alternate between system and injector cleaner and before the Mot or once in a while Forte DPF cleaner and a good hard run at high revs in a low gear. You have no idea what additives are used or if they are actually in it, buying your own you are sure you are getting it and not paying 10p a litre for it.

Running all the time with additives is not required, though it does no harm, once a month is more than enough.

It has to be really cold to have waxing problems, once in a blue moon, a small amount of petrol or kerosene solves it. It is kerosene that is added to diesel in winter I believe, so unless you had summer diesel in the tank it should not have been a problem. Far colder places than here manage.


Before the panic brigade get on the case regarding a tiny drop of petrol in diesel, watch this.

External Link/Members Only

[radioman33]

Just stop oil protesters have been smashing up the pump screens this morning in London,normally they just sit there with there stupid banners.

[catweazle]

Just stop oil protesters have been smashing up the pump screens this morning in London,normally they just sit there with there stupid banners.

Round here, any Shell station you go into  has laminated notices  spelling out  a High Court  injunction against any protesters.

[m4rmite]

Just stop oil protesters have been smashing up the pump screens this morning in London,normally they just sit there with there stupid banners.

Good..
Now they've committed criminal damage so have to be charged.
Or throw the fuckers in jail where the heating fuel  comes from oil companies

[Moby Dick]

It occurs to me that the cost of diesel/petrol is not increasing as much as the cost of energy (gas/electric). I question if those that have hybrid/electric cars will now be worse off compared to pure petrol or deisel?
I expect the gap is narrowing.

For an average diesel doing +40mpg per gallon (8.8mpl) a 10p per litre increase means an increase of 1p per mile. Or an extra £100per year for every 10,000miles you drive.
Diesel Price in the past 2 years have increase from about £1.20 to £1.90, so for me, not doing many miles these days is around £700 per year increase. Fuel/diesel currently costs me about 20p/mile.

2 years ago I was paying 13p/KWh for electric (before the provider went bust), now in October this will increase to 52p/kWh. Gone up by 400%!!
Not so long ago i did look at purchasing a plug in hybrid car, and I calculated that charging up at home would cost me about 4p/mile, but the range was less than 30miles.
With such a hike in electricity and more on its way would the cost of home charging reach 20p per mile, and would we not all be better off keeping our diesels?

[maxQ]

With such a hike in electricity and more on its way would the cost of home charging reach 20p per mile, and would we not all be better off keeping our diesels?

All depends on your circumstances, I can charge for free at work, so rising electricity prices don't effect me too much yet

I expect to see more people putting in PV systems, and I wouldn't expect many EV drivers to switch back to ICE, most have concluded EVs are better, even if the fuel price difference narrows

[king tarzan]

It occurs to me that the cost of diesel/petrol is not increasing as much as the cost of energy (gas/electric). I question if those that have hybrid/electric cars will now be worse off compared to pure petrol or deisel?
I expect the gap is narrowing.

For an average diesel doing +40mpg per gallon (8.8mpl) a 10p per litre increase means an increase of 1p per mile. Or an extra £100per year for every 10,000miles you drive.
Diesel Price in the past 2 years have increase from about £1.20 to £1.90, so for me, not doing many miles these days is around £700 per year increase. Fuel/diesel currently costs me about 20p/mile.

2 years ago I was paying 13p/KWh for electric (before the provider went bust), now in October this will increase to 52p/kWh. Gone up by 400%!!
Not so long ago i did look at purchasing a plug in hybrid car, and I calculated that charging up at home would cost me about 4p/mile, but the range was less than 30miles.
With such a hike in electricity and more on its way would the cost of home charging reach 20p per mile, and would we not all be better off keeping our diesels?

🦊🦊🦊🦊🦊

[Lewwy]

Good..
Now they've committed criminal damage so have to be charged.
Or throw the fuckers in jail where the heating fuel  comes from oil companies

No one has to be charged in relation to any offence, even murder. It's down to charging guidelines and other legal considerations. Don't get me wrong, I think they should have the book thrown at them - preferably the Encyclopaedia Britannica electronic version housed in a massive room-sized mainframe that is launched at them as you would do a wrecking ball, but that's never likely to happen, more's the pity. The problem we encounter in charging these people is that it, a) gives more totally undeserved exposure to their sad little beliefs and, b) they might actually get off with it regardless of how obviously guilty they are. Remember Colston's statue - the vandals who toppled that and chucked it in the river were clearly guilty but were acquitted on spurious pseudo-legal rubbish that should never have been allowed.

Even if they are convicted they are mostly the usual renta-mob type consisting of "got nothing to lose" deluded lefties or middle-aged Trustafarians, neither of which actually give a fuck about getting sent down. These organised criminals, which is what they are, are almost never decent, level-headed people with solid jobs and things like houses cars and family lives to lose.

So, no, fuck the lot of them. Have the army machinegun them for all I care.

[m4rmite]

No one has to be charged in relation to any offence, even murder. It's down to charging guidelines and other legal considerations. Don't get me wrong, I think they should have the book thrown at them - preferably the Encyclopaedia Britannica electronic version housed in a massive room-sized mainframe that is launched at them as you would do a wrecking ball, but that's never likely to happen, more's the pity. The problem we encounter in charging these people is that it, a) gives more totally undeserved exposure to their sad little beliefs and, b) they might actually get off with it regardless of how obviously guilty they are. Remember Colston's statue - the vandals who toppled that and chucked it in the river were clearly guilty but were acquitted on spurious pseudo-legal rubbish that should never have been allowed.

Even if they are convicted they are mostly the usual renta-mob type consisting of "got nothing to lose" deluded lefties or middle-aged Trustafarians, neither of which actually give a fuck about getting sent down. These organised criminals, which is what they are, are almost never decent, level-headed people with solid jobs and things like houses cars and family lives to lose.

So, no, fuck the lot of them. Have the army machinegun them for all I care.

You seemed to post serenity and common sense
Then i read your last line and hope in humanity was restored