Author Topic: The New Doctor Who  (Read 5428 times)


Offline radioman33

I think the black daleks were top of the hierarchy

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Offline alabama1

I think you should concentrate on the topic of this thread instead of telling people they shouldn't be posting on this forum or questioning where their reviews are.
Sorry  :drinks:

Offline BILLY LIAR

Matt Berry would make an awesome Doctor

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"Unhand me you metal pricks"   :D

Offline Gordon Bennett

Not sure BBC would allow a middleaged straight male showrunner (is there such a thing at Beeb??) to fondle the young attractive female lead in such a joyous and affectionate manner? There'd be a sacking, a cancelling and a police helicopter I'd imagine.

Presumably interfering with personal space is okay when it enforces a positive message. Wonder if the casting couch got dusted down for this appointment.....



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Offline Aldebaran

The Doctor is an alien from another planet who changes form every few years. There is nothing that says he has to be portrayed as a white, heterosexual, male human being.
I think a bigger issue is the lamentable quality of the scripts over recent series.

Couldn't agree more. I stopped watching because the story lines have become incomprehensible garbage.

Offline spiralnotebook

New ‘companion’ is transgender btw. Make way for a rash of Native American Indians, Inuit eskimos and Putin playing The Master  :rolleyes: .

Offline mr.bluesky

New ‘companion’ is transgender btw. Make way for a rash of Native American Indians, Inuit eskimos and Putin playing The Master  :rolleyes: .

Well what a surprise 😮 another box ticked.

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Eddy Murphy the next dr who brilliant, cant wait to se e how he portrays the new doctor   :D :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Offline myothernameis

Run along son.

So I take it you haven't been punting for last few years  :P

Offline chrishornx

So I take it you haven't been punting for last few years  :P

a true leech

Offline DouglasReynholm

Anyone remember the gay daleks from the days when TV comedy still had freedom of speech? External Link/Members Only  'Shirtlifting pepperpots!'  :D

Offline JontyR

Anyone remember the gay daleks from the days when TV comedy still had freedom of speech? External Link/Members Only  'Shirtlifting pepperpots!'  :D

Nope. I remember Spike's Pakistani Daleks though, also "of its time"

Offline spiralnotebook

I`m astonished either are still allowed on Utube




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Milligans infamous `put it in the curry - I`m home dear` sketch.
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Offline MilleMiglia

a true leech

I've never seen a single review on this site that reflects the sort of trips that I go on, so that argument is truly without merit.

Offline MilleMiglia

So I take it you haven't been punting for last few years  :P

I have no tolerance for uncalled for abuse.

Offline MilleMiglia

Anyone remember the gay daleks from the days when TV comedy still had freedom of speech? External Link/Members Only  'Shirtlifting pepperpots!'  :D

Yes - I was surprised that any of it was still up. Same goes for the Spike Milligan.
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Anyone remember the gay daleks from the days when TV comedy still had freedom of speech? External Link/Members Only  'Shirtlifting pepperpots!'  :D
Exsperminate, white wee wee.

I'm more surprised Terry Nation allowed the daleks to be used

Offline chrishornx

I've never seen a single review on this site that reflects the sort of trips that I go on, so that argument is truly without merit.

Actually whilst you are not the wisest punter it actually adds merit because if you are doing trips /punts and experiencing things nobody else has reviewed there is more benefit in you informing the punters of your experiences

Offline DouglasReynholm

I`m astonished either are still allowed on Utube
Milligans infamous `put it in the curry - I`m home dear` sketch.
I'd forgotten that. Link: External Link/Members Only  The reason he wrote this sketch is he thought their accents sounded similar. Milligan was born and raised in India before the partition, so he'd know. YouTube is American, there's still freedom of speech there unless you upload a KKK video or someting.

Actually whilst you are not the wisest punter it actually adds merit because if you are doing trips /punts and experiencing things nobody else has reviewed there is more benefit in you informing the punters of your experiences
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Online stampjones

I must admit when dr who came back I thought it will never be as good as the gliry days of jon pertwee or tom baker. But I was wrong. David Tennant’s time in the tardis is now my favourite. When mat smith came in though it took a nose dive off a cliff. Bad acting and shit scripts. Now russell t davis is back I’ll give it a try again. I trust him. As to who plays the doctor? Who cares. The only surprise was he was so un diverse for the first 12 series given he’s a body regenerating alien!

Offline mr.bluesky

I must admit when dr who came back I thought it will never be as good as the gliry days of jon pertwee or tom baker. But I was wrong. David Tennant’s time in the tardis is now my favourite. When mat smith came in though it took a nose dive off a cliff. Bad acting and shit scripts. Now russell t davis is back I’ll give it a try again. I trust him. As to who plays the doctor? Who cares. The only surprise was he was so un diverse for the first 12 series given he’s a body regenerating alien!

Now he have a doctor who's diverse for diverse's sake. It's about time this show was put out of its misery . This program took a nose dive when Sylvester Mc Coy  took over as the doctor.
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Offline Jomoore

Now he have a doctor who's diverse for diverse's sake. It's about time this show was put out of its misery

That's my view in one.
Dr Who was meant to be about a wise mysterious character, a bit like Gandalf, and epitomised by the first and best Dr, William Hartnell.
My main criticism of this new actor is not that he's black, but that he's a cheeky chappy type who should be doing Blue Peter or some daytime dross show, not something that was once a British institution, now sadly totally trashed.

Offline JontyR

That's my view in one.
Dr Who was meant to be about a wise mysterious character, a bit like Gandalf, and epitomised by the first and best Dr, William Hartnell.
My main criticism of this new actor is not that he's black, but that he's a cheeky chappy type who should be doing Blue Peter or some daytime dross show, not something that was once a British institution, now sadly totally trashed.

But he's an actor? He surely will have the ability to play the role as it is written and how he is directed?

That wasn't Tom Baker's own scarf. Bessie wasn't Jon Pertwee's own car.

Offline spiralnotebook

It’s like replacing Sally James on Tizwas with Angela Raynor.

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Offline Jomoore

But he's an actor? He surely will have the ability to play the role as it is written and how he is directed?

That wasn't Tom Baker's own scarf. Bessie wasn't Jon Pertwee's own car.

However good an actor he is, he'll never be convincing as a William Hartnell type will he?  Sort of obvious.

Offline JontyR

However good an actor he is, he'll never be convincing as a William Hartnell type will he?  Sort of obvious.
I wonder how many folks consider the first Doctor you know to be the best one. Frankly all the Doctor's were different. There was a general move to younger actors but they have yo-yo'd a bit here. A female Doctor and now a Black Doctor are just continuations of this trend - which for all we know may be a standard for Gallifreyan bioloigy.

Whether he is a success in the role or not will depend on him, the writers, the directors and the budget. Nothing to do with his skin colour. 

Offline DouglasReynholm

Yes, it will be crap because the script is. The acting might also be crap but we don't know that yet.

In episode 1 he'll go back in time and stop Maggie Thatcher (who is an alien) passing Clause 28 by handcuffing himself to Sue Lawley (in a non-heterosexual way).

Offline Jomoore

Nothing to do with his skin colour.

Despite my having explicitly stated that at the outset you seem to want to suggest it's an issue.  Which may speak more of your agenda than mine?

Offline King Nuts

But he's an actor? He surely will have the ability to play the role as it is written and how he is directed?



In theory, yes.

Some actors get deep into their roles and become the person they're playing, viz. Anthony Hopkins, Tom Hardy, Kenneth Branagh

Others are just themselves, no matter what the script calls for, like Michael Caine, Steve Coogan

Offline King Nuts

Yes, it will be crap because the script is. The acting might also be crap but we don't know that yet.

In episode 1 he'll go back in time and stop Maggie Thatcher (who is an alien) passing Clause 28 by handcuffing himself to Sue Lawley (in a non-heterosexual way).

Lol. But the continuity will be let down because in the 70s the streets weren't full of fat people.

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In episode 1 he'll go back in time and stop Maggie Thatcher (who is an alien) passing Clause 28 by handcuffing himself to Sue Lawley (in a non-heterosexual way).

Presumably back to back so he can’t cop a feel of her tits?
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Offline JontyR

Despite my having explicitly stated that at the outset you seem to want to suggest it's an issue.  Which may speak more of your agenda than mine?

At the outset you also said that your "view in one" is that we have a diverse doctor for the sake of diversity.

And its "obvious" that the actor concerned couldn't fit the role as it should be portrayed from your perspective. 

I do find it interesting that you highlighted the final seven words of the post though and chose to ignore the rest of it.

Offline Jomoore

At the outset you also said that your "view in one" is that we have a diverse doctor for the sake of diversity.

And its "obvious" that the actor concerned couldn't fit the role as it should be portrayed from your perspective. 

I do find it interesting that you highlighted the final seven words of the post though and chose to ignore the rest of it.

If you could only introduce a little intellectual rigour to your thinking you'll find that nothing I've said, or chose to overlook, is contradictory to my central point.  I'm sure you'd welcome a male black actor portraying Margaret Thatcher if his acting was good enough.  Anyway there's no point continuing an exchange as you're clearly woke and this now risks contravening the no-politics rule.   :hi:

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If you could only introduce a little intellectual rigour to your thinking you'll find that nothing I've said, or chose to overlook, is contradictory to my central point.  I'm sure you'd welcome a male black actor portraying Margaret Thatcher if his acting was good enough.  Anyway there's no point continuing an exchange as you're clearly woke and this now risks contravening the no-politics rule.   :hi:
Blimey, how awful of me. Welcoming someone who can do their job well. Shakespeare's casts were all men. I've seen all female versions of some of his output. Some has stood up well. Some hasn't. But no greater or lesser than proportions of other productions.

There are also lots of reimagines of classic texts. The point of them is to make them more accessible to a different audience. There were probably similar discussions when Return to the Forbidden Planet came out, or Kiss me Kate.

A male, black Thatcher? Bit different to playing a life form that regenerates into different forms. But again, I think a lot of responsibility would lie with the writer and director as to whether it worked or not. 

I'm not sure what your central point is? That you have already pigeon holed him based on...I'm sorry how much personal experience of his  performance breadth do you have?

Woke? possibly.  Sleep well.

Offline Jomoore

I'm not sure what your central point is? That you have already pigeon holed him based on...

It's simple, that if the character being portrayed is a white man (which if you recall is how I started this by offering my view that the best Doctor was William Hartnell) then the best actor to play him will be a white male.  Likewise the woke Shakespeare productions with black Henrys and female Hamlets or whatever are rejected by the vast majority as ridiculous.  Same goes for the next James Bond; he's a white male, simple, just as if they were portraying Muhammad Ali it would necessarily be a black male for the job.  End of really.  :hi:

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Likewise the woke Shakespeare productions with black Henrys and female Hamlets or whatever are rejected by the vast majority as ridiculous.

I think I've mentioned  it before, but I once saw a production of "The Comedy of Errors", which primarily revolves around twins.

The twins' parents were both white. One twin was white  the other Afro-carribean black.

I know theatre  often requires  a suspension of belief, but that two white people can produce a white and a black twin stretches that concept.

( incidentally   the black guy was far and away the better actor)

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It's simple, that if the character being portrayed is a white man (which if you recall is how I started this by offering my view that the best Doctor was William Hartnell) then the best actor to play him will be a white male.  Likewise the woke Shakespeare productions with black Henrys and female Hamlets or whatever are rejected by the vast majority as ridiculous.  Same goes for the next James Bond; he's a white male, simple, just as if they were portraying Muhammad Ali it would necessarily be a black male for the job.  End of really.  :hi:
Did you see the Ali film? Will Smith played him, he looked the part because he was in great shape, but the film is rightly not highly regarded now even amongst boxing fans. It's about average.

Also there was a Hamlet were it was reversed with a white Hamlet and the rest of the cast were black. TBH with you Dr Who has been shit for donkey's. I think the last time I saw it was with Christopher Eccleston on a friend's TV and it was beyond parody. Should be CBBC as a kid's programme.

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TBH with you Dr Who has been shit for donkey's. I think the last time I saw it was with Christopher Eccleston on a friend's TV and it was beyond parody. Should be CBBC as a kid's programme.

Totally agree, it lost it's mystique. 

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It's simple, that if the character being portrayed is a white man (which if you recall is how I started this by offering my view that the best Doctor was William Hartnell) then the best actor to play him will be a white male.  Likewise the woke Shakespeare productions with black Henrys and female Hamlets or whatever are rejected by the vast majority as ridiculous.  Same goes for the next James Bond; he's a white male, simple, just as if they were portraying Muhammad Ali it would necessarily be a black male for the job.  End of really.  :hi:
But the character being portrayed is not a white man - he’s a fucking alien! Who knows what crazy biochemistry they have on gallifrey. Just cos you liked william hartnell doesnt mean all transformations have to be the same and your logic there is bizzarre.

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But the character being portrayed is not a white man - he’s a fucking alien! Who knows what crazy biochemistry they have on gallifrey. Just cos you liked william hartnell doesnt mean all transformations have to be the same and your logic there is bizzarre.

No. I made it clear from the outset that my take on it, based on William Hartnell's original portrayal, was that it was a successful production based on the Doctor being an elderly white man.  Everything I've said since flows from that.  All the youthful, female, bizarre etc doctors since have never cut it.  If you can't understand my position or don't agree with it feel free to pass on by.  :hi:

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No. I made it clear from the outset that my take on it, based on William Hartnell's original portrayal, was that it was a successful production based on the Doctor being an elderly white man.  Everything I've said since flows from that.  All the youthful, female, bizarre etc doctors since have never cut it.  If you can't understand my position or don't agree with it feel free to pass on by.  :hi:

don't agree - Doctor who is a Time Lord who, as and when needed , transforms into a new body The Doctor can transform into any human guise -old or young, male or female, black or white - this allows for 2 or more versions of the doctor to meet. Nowhere is sit written that it is a given right that the Doctor has to be old, white and male

it is  fictional character that can be whatever it wants to be

Offline JontyR

It's simple, that if the character being portrayed is a white man (which if you recall is how I started this by offering my view that the best Doctor was William Hartnell) then the best actor to play him will be a white male.

Oh so it is about skin colour. And gender. Does the Doctor have to have mobility issues like Hartnell too? Would that be woke or anti-woke? Maybe you could use your intellectual rigour to answer that one.

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Likewise the woke Shakespeare productions with black Henrys and female Hamlets or whatever are rejected by the vast majority as ridiculous.
What so they couldn't perform Shakespeare in, say, Rwanda? Or in China? Which of the "good old days" would you like to return to...the ones where they didn't have females on stage? Or when we had Olivier blacking up to play Othello and giving it the full googly-eyed Colonial stereotype.

I don't know about the vast majority, but I do remember reading about how the RSC had a female King John a few years back. I'm guessing they are not exactly the most progressive of audiences but try getting a ticket. Not sure how this fits with your assertion about such things being rejected by the vast majority. Not sure what validity a vast majority would give anyway to be honest.


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I see this kind of thing as a going out of business sale for the BBC. Their clock is ticking with the licence fee disappearing in 5 years and they're trying to get every drop of woke squeezed in before the lights get switched off.

Offline Jomoore

I don't know about the vast majority, ...
That's the only bit of your woke drivel I'd agree wholeheartedly with.

Offline JontyR

That's the only bit of your woke drivel I'd agree wholeheartedly with.
I pity you.


Offline King Nuts

I see this kind of thing as a going out of business sale for the BBC. Their clock is ticking with the licence fee disappearing in 5 years

I'm not so sure it's only got five years left. Scrapping the licence fee, like reforming the NHS, is going to take some doing. There are deeply entrenched interests at stake.

The fact that it's not 1946 any more (or 1948 in the case of the NHS) doesn't seem to matter to some people.

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I'm not so sure it's only got five years left. Scrapping the licence fee, like reforming the NHS, is going to take some doing. There are deeply entrenched interests at stake.

The fact that it's not 1946 any more (or 1948 in the case of the NHS) doesn't seem to matter to some people.
Yes there's a good chance they'll be a change of government in that time and it would be in their best interest to maintain it

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don't agree - Doctor who is a Time Lord who, as and when needed , transforms into a new body The Doctor can transform into any human guise -old or young, male or female, black or white - this allows for 2 or more versions of the doctor to meet. Nowhere is sit written that it is a given right that the Doctor has to be old, white and male

it is  fictional character that can be whatever it wants to be
We've had this for a while now were they try to make programs sexy for teenage viewers like in Emmerdale and Coronation St by introducing young-ish sexy people. They tried the same with Dr Who were the iconic doctors like Pertwee and Baker would be considered too old back then. So they bring in people like Matt Smith. As controversial as it may sound it's pretty much been The Russell T Davies Show since the reboot and I think the lead actors are chosen by how much he fancies them. Eccleston is a great actor, but he was shit as the doctor, gurning at every opportunity, obviously hated doing it.
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