Varvara - Reading

[Imperia]

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This was about 2 months ago. I texted Varvara about services and availability to which she responded with a list of services and extras on WhatsApp. Some may not like the fact she used WhatsApp, but I don’t mind. I arranged a morning meet (emphasis on morning!) for either the next day or the day after, to which I was asked to confirm early the morning of.

Come to the morning of, I confirm, but she takes a while to respond. When she does, she says that she works from the evening onwards! Well I already had plans, and generally do morning meets so I just said forget about it.

[tp69]

Feels a bit harsh as a negative review if nothing was confirmed and agreed. Are you sure it wasn't miscommunication and she wasn't asking you to book the following morning as some girls only take bookings on the day?

[Imperia]

We confirmed the date and time beforehand to which she was happy with. I rang to confirm this on the day and was told that she instead worked from the evening, which she didn’t allude to at all before.

[tp69]

Still feel this is harsh. She didn't waste your time - you hadn't travelled there. Things can come up that would cause her to have to change her schedule and so she tried to reschedule the time. Giving her a negative for this seems very critical. Your account, your choice, but personally, as it affects her livelihood, I'd tend to not just rush into negatives unless she's done something that warrants it.

[contentguy]

I arranged a morning meet (emphasis on morning!) for either the next day or the day after, to which I was asked to confirm early the morning of.

Come to the morning of, I confirm, but she takes a while to respond. When she does, she says that she works from the evening onwards! Well I already had plans, and generally do morning meets so I just said forget about it.

Did you actually make a booking that she agreed to, that is, you set a date and time for a meet?
It doesn’t seem so from your ‘review’.

You seem unsure as to what day you wanted to see her “the next day or the day after”.

Guy

[Imperia]

Did you actually make a booking that she agreed to, that is, you set a date and time for a meet?
It doesn’t seem so from your ‘review’.

You seem unsure as to what day you wanted to see her “the next day or the day after”.

Guy

Yes, a time and date was agreed to. When I say that it was for ‘the next day or the day after’ I mean that as this was 2 months ago, I don’t remember exactly when we booked for, but I do know that we both agreed to whenever it was. I realise that I worded this poorly in the review.

[nohey1]

Still feel this is harsh. She didn't waste your time - you hadn't travelled there. Things can come up that would cause her to have to change her schedule and so she tried to reschedule the time. Giving her a negative for this seems very critical. Your account, your choice, but personally, as it affects her livelihood, I'd tend to not just rush into negatives unless she's done something that warrants it.

This isn't strictly true. If the OP agreed on a time and date with the WG and the OP took the morning off from work or rearranged plans or even got themselves ready beforehand in the anticipation of seeing the lady; then it's 100% time-wasting. If she said she would do the morning and then without warning or even a text switched to do only evenings then this deserves nothing less than a negative.

[tp69]

This isn't strictly true. If the OP agreed on a time and date with the WG and the OP took the morning off from work or rearranged plans or even got themselves ready beforehand in the anticipation of seeing the lady; then it's 100% time-wasting. If she said she would do the morning and then without warning or even a text switched to do only evenings then this deserves nothing less than a negative.

I disagree. She clearly told him he needed to confirm on the day. That explicitly means that the booking isn't inked until it's confirmed on the day, and this would stand for both parties. Considering a high percentage of SP's are not natively English, your expectation cannot be that they understand the full nuance of the language either, so if she's said, that, in order to book you need to confirm on the day, it would be fair to assume neither party is committed until that happens, and 'getting yourself ready' before the confirmation has been accepted, is on you.

Things come up. She could've had a sudden child care issue, a medical issue, or literally anything that meant she had to change her hours on the following day, that doesn't mean she purposefully wasted his time.

Schedules change. Ghosting on arrival is one thing, this IMO is silly. You're welcome to your opinion.

[SpaceRaiderDave]

I don't think this series of events warrants a review and not a negative one

This sounds like a genuine misunderstang during the arrangement stage and the fault could be with either the op or the sp. It will all depend on the actual words used. Given that the op can't remember if he arranged the appointment for the next day or the day after we'll never know unless the op can provide a screenshot. For many provider English is not their first language and I'm sure if a negative rating was given for every communication misunderstanding there would be hundreds of them.

[contentguy]

OP's review, OP's rating.

It's evident that English isn't the SP's first language.  Her profile says she's Russian and the feedback she's left for others and responses she's left on her feedback give an indication of her language skills.

The OP may have been certain that he booked for a particular time on a particular day.
He understood he needed to call on the day.  She may have meant him to call to confirm or to call to book on the day, who knows?

I sense the rating is harsh.  The way I read it is the OP called asking for a meet in the future and was asked to call on the day to book.

He agrees that his "review" on here wasn't an example of great comms.

I realise that I worded this poorly in the review.

And this poor Russian lass had to work out what he thought he was sayin, just saying.

[nohey1]

I disagree. She clearly told him he needed to confirm on the day. That explicitly means that the booking isn't inked until it's confirmed on the day, and this would stand for both parties. Considering a high percentage of SP's are not natively English, your expectation cannot be that they understand the full nuance of the language either, so if she's said, that, in order to book you need to confirm on the day, it would be fair to assume neither party is committed until that happens, and 'getting yourself ready' before the confirmation has been accepted, is on you.

Things come up. She could've had a sudden child care issue, a medical issue, or literally anything that meant she had to change her hours on the following day, that doesn't mean she purposefully wasted his time.

Schedules change. Ghosting on arrival is one thing, this IMO is silly. You're welcome to your opinion.

This isn't my argument; just my thoughts on the matter. You're also welcome to your opinion.

We as service seekers are expected to text if we cannot make the meeting - it works both ways.

[tp69]

This isn't my argument; just my thoughts on the matter. You're also welcome to your opinion.

We as service seekers are expected to text if we cannot make the meeting - it works both ways.

OP wanted a booking for a future day. SP explicitly told him that in order to make a booking he needs to text on the day. To me, it is crystal clear that no booking is therefore made until the day of the booking.

Then, when texting on the day, he receives a reply including her times of work, which didn't suit him. Sorry, but if you're going to give people negative reviews for that sequence then I'm bewildered. There's such a thing as being fair, and to me, reviews such as this that directly affect her income, are severely harsh for no reason.

[contentguy]

OP wanted a booking for a future day. SP explicitly told him that in order to make a booking he needs to text on the day. To me, it is crystal clear that no booking is therefore made until the day of the booking.

Then, when texting on the day, he receives a reply including her times of work, which didn't suit him. Sorry, but if you're going to give people negative reviews for that sequence then I'm bewildered. There's such a thing as being fair, and to me, reviews such as this that directly affect her income, are severely harsh for no reason.

 
nohey1 was a lot stronger in his view before he edited his last post.  I can’t remember what it said but it was more opinionated than it is now.  He’s backtracking.

I agree with you, the review is harsh, the OP was unclear with his comms in this review.
The SP’s English doesn’t seem great based on her responses on AW.
The OP understood he had to call on the morning before the booking.

The question is, did this SP understand the nuance between ‘confirm’ on the day and ‘book’ on the day.

OP’s review OP’s rating, but IMHO, the rating reflects more on his understanding of punting than the SP’s service.

I’d still see her.

Guy 

[nohey1]

nohey1 was a lot stronger in his view before he edited his last post.  I can’t remember what it said but it was more opinionated than it is now.  He’s backtracking.

I agree with you, the review is harsh, the OP was unclear with his comms in this review.
The SP’s English doesn’t seem great based on her responses on AW.
The OP understood he had to call on the morning before the booking.

The question is, did this SP understand the nuance between ‘confirm’ on the day and ‘book’ on the day.

OP’s review OP’s rating, but IMHO, the rating reflects more on his understanding of punting than the SP’s service.

I’d still see her.

Guy 

I'm not backtracking i just cba to further add to a white-knighted non-argument. It's pointless.

[contentguy]

I'm not backtracking i just cba to further add to a white-knighted non-argument. It's pointless.

Are you seriously calling me a white knight?

And as far as non-arguement, you started it!

Prick 

Edited to add, and you just contributed to it again! 

[SpaceRaiderDave]

As no firm booking was made then per the forum rules this can't be considered a review so IMHO a moderator should move this whole thread from the review section.

this would solve the problem about the unfair negative rating

[nohey1]

No i didn't - i just gave my opinion.

I'm glad you signed off with the right name.

'Prick' 

Edited to add. 

[Imperia]

I’ll make another comment on this. We had agreed to a specific time and date, of which she told me to confirm the booking via text on the day. In my view (and I’m happy to be corrected here) this constitutes a booking. The booking was for 12pm, so I confirmed on my side about 10am. I got ready and had a shower etc, but as as there was no response, I didn’t leave. At about 15 minutes before the scheduled meeting time, she texts back saying that she is only working from 6pm onwards.

To me, this seemed as if she either forgot about our booking, or circumstances arose in which she could no longer work in the morning. It is impossible to know which occurred. If she had actually texted me straight after I had texted her saying this, I wouldn’t had minded. Is it a neutral? Is it a negative? Read the information provided and make up your own mind.

If this doesn’t constitute a review, then I’m happy for it to be deleted or moved.

[contentguy]

I’ll make another comment on this. We had agreed to a specific time and date, of which she told me to confirm the booking via text on the day. In my view (and I’m happy to be corrected here) this constitutes a booking. The booking was for 12pm, so I confirmed on my side about 10am. I got ready and had a shower etc, but as as there was no response, I didn’t leave. At about 15 minutes before the scheduled meeting time, she texts back saying that she is only working from 6pm onwards.

To me, this seemed as if she either forgot about our booking, or circumstances arose in which she could no longer work in the morning. It is impossible to know which occurred. If she had actually texted me straight after I had texted her saying this, I wouldn’t had minded. Is it a neutral? Is it a negative? Read the information provided and make up your own mind.

So when you said it was a morning booking in your original post and then underlined that by saying “emphasis on morning above”.  You were talking bollocks because afternoon starts at noon?

[Imperia]

I thought 12 wasn’t quite late enough to consider it afternoon proper, so I thought it would be best to say morning. It’s just semantics.

[Kev40ish]

Just all seems a little ambiguous to me, sounds like she hasn’t actually confirmed a booking and asked you to book in the the morning..
Do you think she should keep the mornings of the next day or the day after free to meet you?

[contentguy]

Just all seems a little ambiguous to me, sounds like she hasn’t actually confirmed a booking and asked you to book in the the morning..
Do you think she should keep the mornings of the next day or the day after free to meet you?

Good call Kev. 

Thought better for a mod to review / move as I was being accused of whiteknighting.