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[Followyourdick]

Your post isn't easy to read, for some reason.

Just check out the High Court verdict in their high profile case against Prince Harry and his motley crew. Despite the most rigorous scrutiny from some very expensive lawyers - costs were over £50 million - they were cleared of every single one of 97 allegations made against them. Which is impeccable indeed.

Sorry I saved it as a screenshot using clipping tool, it didn't quite work that well!

The high court judge ruled that the claimants failed to prove unlawful information gathering.  (Not exactly the same as they definitely didn't do it is it?!!)
ANL who own the Mail said it was magnificent vindication of the papers journalism.  (Hmmm they would say that wouldn't they!!)

The high court did not say it was impeccable, you did.

I would say that I wouldn't believe the date on the header of it.

[Charliehutton]

Have you anything specifically against a single secular democratic state which treats all people the same or are you quite happy with the immigrants from the 30s to the present day keeping power for themselves and treating the goyim like animals?

Despite all your windy rhetoric, you're never able to answer a question, even simple ones. You're all wind and piss.

[Charliehutton]

The high court did not say it was impeccable, you did.

I would say that I wouldn't believe the date on the header of it.

'Impeccable' seems a perfectly reasonable word, in the circumstances.

You're by no means alone in your antipathy toward the Daily Mail. Plenty on the political Left view it as the work of the devil, and start frothing with bile at the very thought of it. Yet many of those same people trust the reporting of sources like the BBC, who couldn't even make Trump look ridiculous without rigging a report on their flagship current affairs programme. I suppose most of us believe who we choose to believe, although some people seem very reluctant to reveal the sources they trust. One bloke on here who mistrusts the paper prefers to 'just google stuff'. Quite what 'stuff' he preferred to keep to himself.

I might add that the Mail's gushing uncritical support of the Tories is utterly nauseating.

[Thephoenix]

Have you anything specifically against a single secular democratic state which treats all people the same or are you quite happy with the immigrants from the 30s to the present day keeping power for themselves and treating the goyim like animals?

Ah yes! I suppose you mean something like Iran. 

Wouldn't we all love a single secular democratic state which treats all people the same.
Are you sure that's what Hamas want?
You're surely not that naive.
 It's foundational ideology explicitly rejects secularism, which it views as incompatible with it's vision for the region.

It's a tragic situation, but let's keep the dialogue real.

[TallnHung]

You dont need figures to see the outlook in the UK has changed. People working in schools say it they can see with their own eyes. A ESCORT was robbed in London whilst out. No doubt it was one of these invaders.

What you really mean is you dont care about the numbers because youd rather believe your own unqauntified and badly researched 'opinion'?

[TallnHung]

'Impeccable' seems a perfectly reasonable word, in the circumstances.

You're by no means alone in your antipathy toward the Daily Mail. Plenty on the political Left view it as the work of the devil, and start frothing with bile at the very thought of it. Yet many of those same people trust the reporting of sources like the BBC, who couldn't even make Trump look ridiculous without rigging a report on their flagship current affairs programme. I suppose most of us believe who we choose to believe, although some people seem very reluctant to reveal the sources they trust. One bloke on here who mistrusts the paper prefers to 'just google stuff'. Quite what 'stuff' he preferred to keep to himself.

I might add that the Mail's gushing uncritical support of the Tories is utterly nauseating.

Its not just the left, even Tommo or whatever he calls himself today says theyre shits

[webpunter]

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The internal inquiry, conducted by the party's barrister and its general secretary, found "no breach of electoral law by Reform UK", and claims the broadcast "conveyed a distorted version of events", but makes seven recommendations for improving the party's procedures.

You can't make it up
Thats like asking Man City to conduct an internal enquiry on themselves & see what the outcome is

Reform said in a statement the production company "acted unlawfully" and they will be "taking the appropriate legal action in due course".

Yeah right lets see how long IDC takes 

Lets see what the rozzers investigating come up with

If the same happened in any other sector other than politics those involved in deep water inevitable they get fired with possibly a crim record & fine
In politics its crack on
As for "a distorted version of events" what a load of bollocks crystal to most people with half a brain

[Jerboa]

Well since given I disagree with you on pretty much everything and you have indicated that I must be a lefty Liberal bedwetter, also innacurate, then it's fair that I assume from your comments about MSM and your love of Farage and Tommy/Tommo brigade that you're a GBeebies fan. Fair?

Also when you say that some journos are activists I wonder what you think of Farage as an activist? Or Tommo/Tommy?  Farage was always ananti Europe activist, its why he became an MEP ans a susequent MP to exercise that activisim, in my opinion contrary to the benefit of the UK he purports to love.  The Tommy/Tommo marches are pure activism surely? You don't seem to mind their activism?  Is it that you agree 2ith them that they are somehow a better breed of activists? Shame they can't be more activist in their approach to paedos, wife beaters and rapists in their own numbers.

Are commentators not allowed opinion? No one lives in a vacuum. Murdoch gave supported to Tory and Labour when the switch has been beneficial to do so.  Barclay Brothers and Daily Mail the same it seems once they see a tide turn.  Though the DM connection to the Third Reich through the 1st Viscount Rothermere and support of Oswald Moseley Brown Shirts is undeniable which is why they have primarily been identified as expressing a right wing bias.

That was a long winded pointless post. And doesn't address the point I was making. Which was establishment media, the fourth estate, who have close links to the government or rather the permanent state. And will and do their bidding, when dissidents need abusing, a narrative needs pushing, and a enemy of the state needs persecuting.

[mills_and_bhuna]

Despite all your windy rhetoric, you're never able to answer a question, even simple ones. You're all wind and piss.

Stop asking stupid questions then.
And stop making assumptions based on what you read in the Mail.

[mills_and_bhuna]

Ah yes! I suppose you mean something like Iran. 

Wouldn't we all love a single secular democratic state which treats all people the same.
Are you sure that's what Hamas want?
You're surely not that naive.
 It's foundational ideology explicitly rejects secularism, which it views as incompatible with it's vision for the region.

It's a tragic situation, but let's keep the dialogue real.

Incredible that you have somehow taken care to memorise all the Zionist propaganda about Hamas and Iran.
But somehow seem to forget all the history which brought us to this moment in time.
The 53 coup. The Nakba. Lebanon. There's a lot to digest.
But you keep believing your Hasbara.

[Massagemanmr]

Stop asking stupid questions then.
And stop making assumptions based on what you read in the Mail.

he can't just look at his posts, he is totally cooked ., a relic of the past stuck unable to change meanwhile the world has moved on.....

[WASA38]

Have you anything specifically against a single secular democratic state which treats all people the same or are you quite happy with the immigrants from the 30s to the present day keeping power for themselves and treating the goyim like animals?

No fair minded person can be happy with that (true) state of affairs but we all know that the blissful ideal of a single secular democratic Palestinian state is pie in the sky after seventy decades of continuously escalating strife and deep mutual hatred.

Would likely never have happened had Germans not voted for that evil llttle man with the silly moustache.

[Jerboa]

Rotherham man in court charged with Nigel Farage terror plot

The South Yorkshire man accused of murdering Ann Widdecombe has appeared in court charged with a terror plot against Reform UK leader Nigel Farage.

Joshua Kerry, aged 28, from Rotherham, is accused of one count of preparation of terrorist acts relating to alleged activity between May 31, 2024 and July 8, 2026, Counter Terrorism Policing (CTP) announced on Friday.

Reform UK spokeswoman and former Tory minister Miss Widdecombe, 78, died on July 8 after an attack at her home in Haytor on Dartmoor, Devon, a court previously heard.

Kerry, of Byrley Road, Kimberworth Park, Rotherham, is also accused of her murder.

In August, counter-terror police reopened a year-long probe into an alleged attack at Mr Farage’s home in south London.

Kerry will next appear at the Old Bailey on Friday.

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[Charliehutton]

Stop asking stupid questions then.

  So any question you can't answer - most of them, in other words -  you dismiss as 'stupid'. You really are nothing but wind and piss.

[Massagemanmr]

No fair minded person can be happy with that (true) state of affairs but we all know that the blissful ideal of a single secular democratic Palestinian state is pie in the sky after seventy decades of continuously escalating strife and deep mutual hatred.

Would likely never have happened had Germans not voted for that evil llttle man with the silly moustache.

exactly Israel should be allowed to ethnically cleanse then without them resisting, it's very anti semetic to resist Israel taking your land , don't you agree?

[Private Parts]

Reading all the contributors bang on at each other claiming they are right.
Does nothing other than to waste time.You will never agree.
Just like the old TUC conference, I think there ought to be a time limit on the subject because nothing new comes to light.
After each contributor has given so many fatuous statements. Perhaps there should be a 🔔.

But who's going to ring that bell? Mr Chairman?

[Punting2022]

Two tier again. Discusting scenes atm in ldn

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[Bertiebeenthere]

Two tier again. Discusting scenes atm in ldn

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Who is Marshall Law?

[DastardlyDick]

Two tier again. Discusting scenes atm in ldn

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Martial Law? I didn't see any troops involved.
As for benefits - if they're claiming UC, they have to prove they're looking for work. Back in the day, that would have precluded going to demo's or protests - you had to fill out application forms or write CVs and post them, which took time. These day's it's all online and can be done from your phone, so it's easy enough to keep applying for jobs and go protesting as well.
It becomes more difficult if they're claiming to be disabled or long term sick, (PIP) but that entails a medical assesment before you get any money, Nearly half UC claimants are in work, but are on such low wages they have to be topped up by UC payments.

[WASA38]

exactly Israel should be allowed to ethnically cleanse then without them resisting, it's very anti semetic to resist Israel taking your land , don't you agree?

I would respond but  your post seems to be a non sequitur. Can't make out whether you're agrreing with me or countering.

If one accepts that the term anti semitism was coined in Germany  as meaning hatred of Jews then no, it would not necessarily be anti semitic

 One cannot blame the poor bloody Muslim Palestinians in resisting but it's a sobering lesson from history that conquerors will always create resistors and will ruthlessly and usually successfully crush them. In our country one could cite Hereward the Wake after the Norman Conquest.

No world power exists that is powerful and willing enough to step in and resist by force the US-backed might of Israel. Regrettably therefore one can foresee the entire West Bank being formally ceded to Israel in the next decade or two.

[mills_and_bhuna]

No fair minded person can be happy with that (true) state of affairs but we all know that the blissful ideal of a single secular democratic Palestinian state is pie in the sky after seventy decades of continuously escalating strife and deep mutual hatred.

Would likely never have happened had Germans not voted for that evil llttle man with the silly moustache.

I'm not starting an argument here but liberals would love that general understanding to take hold.
Blame it all on Hitler.
Zionism started before Hitler.
Hitler you could argue was a Zionist (Ken Livingston did and was branded an antisemite ).
The Haganah and Irgun were operating with the tacit approval of British forces before the war.
And I always like to come back to a golden rule when politics is supposedly complicated.
Follow the money.
Oil was discovered in the Middle East just before the First World War.
And the Balfour Declaration came about in 1917.

[ulstersubbie]

I'm not starting an argument here but liberals would love that general understanding to take hold.
Blame it all on Hitler.
Zionism started before Hitler.
Hitler you could argue was a Zionist (Ken Livingston did and was branded an antisemite ).
The Haganah and Irgun were operating with the tacit approval of British forces before the war.
And I always like to come back to a golden rule when politics is supposedly complicated.
Follow the money.
Oil was discovered in the Middle East just before the First World War.
And the Balfour Declaration came about in 1917.

Good post mills, as you say follow the money and ye will find something approaching the truth.   

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[Punting2022]

Another case

[Punting2022]

Anotuer case of rapist immigrants

[mills_and_bhuna]

Anotuer case of rapist immigrants

Words fail me .
How you manage to arrange a booking with an escort let alone 32 never ceases to amaze me.

[Massagemanmr]

Anotuer case of rapist immigrants

if you get rid of all immigrants will this solve all the UK problems ?

[Massagemanmr]

Words fail me .
How you manage to arrange a booking with an escort let alone 32 never ceases to amaze me.

bro i told you , he is totally cooked. He need help to be honest!

[Massagemanmr]

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you can't trust CNN, they have links to Hamas and are anti semetic

[DastardlyDick]

Words fail me .
How you manage to arrange a booking with an escort let alone 32 never ceases to amaze me.

Especially when several of them are Immigrants or descended from Immigrants.

[Jerboa]

Words fail me .
How you manage to arrange a booking with an escort let alone 32 never ceases to amaze me.

Maybe he was trying to allude to this? Or could one of many cases.

Afghan rapists who fled to Birmingham jailed for 'unimaginable' attack on teenage girl

They targeted Christmas shopper and three fled to Birmingham before they were brought to justice

Three men and a boy of 17 originally from Afghanistan have been sentenced for raping a teenage girl.

Mehrab Safi, 21, Awal Ahmadzai and Salman Habibkheil, both 19, and a 17-year-old boy – who cannot be named for legal reasons – attacked the 17-year-old girl at a house in Bristol last November.

Safi, Ahmadzai and Habibkheil fled, travelling to Birmingham and London before going into the back of a refrigerated lorry to reach France.

They were picked up by French authorities and returned to British police, before being charged with offences including rape and human trafficking.

Judge Michael Cullum jailed Safi, who was convicted of two counts of rape and one of human trafficking following a trial at Bristol Crown Court, for 15 years.

Habibkheil was sentenced to nine years in detention for one count of rape and one of human trafficking, while Ahmadzai was sentenced to nine years in detention for one count of rape and one of sexual assault.

The 17-year-old defendant, who cannot be identified because of his age, was sentenced to three years in detention for one count of rape.

Judge Cullum said Safi and two of the other defendants met the girl while she was Christmas shopping with a friend in Bristol city centre on November 25.

“She clearly didn’t know Bristol well and seemed keen to drink alcohol, potentially with people unknown to her,” the judge said.

“She would have looked vulnerable from the beginning and I have no doubt that was her attraction, in part, to you Safi.”

Safi obtained the girl’s phone number and began an “intense exchange” of messages over the following days, with him asking for nude images of her on November 28.

On November 30, the girl’s mother went out for the evening and Safi suggested she should travel to Bristol.

Safi, along with Habibkheil, arranged a taxi to collect her from her home in Somerset and bring her to the city.

“Having been trafficked for the purpose of committing a sexual offence, she was raped five times and was subjected to a penetrative sexual assault by Ahmadzai,” the judge said.

“The cumulative trauma of these offences will undoubtedly live with her forever and is unimaginable.”

He continued: “The victim was obviously vulnerable and that’s why you all preyed on her.”

The judge said the girl had been provided with alcohol and cigarettes, which had the effect of “grooming her and trapping her, though not physically”.

She was “plied with drink until very significantly affected”, with the defendants getting her drunk to increase her vulnerability and the prospect she “would not or could not resist”, he added.

Being raped by multiple men, one after another, left her “broken beyond resistance”, the judge said.

Addressing the defendants, the judge said they had suffered trauma but that did not excuse what they had done.

“Each of the four reports gives some details as to the exact causes of the trauma that you each have suffered in relation to fleeing Afghanistan and travelling to the UK,” he said.

“I’m not going to repeat the detail in these sentencing remarks but I do take it into account.”

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[Punting2022]

Words fail me .
How you manage to arrange a booking with an escort let alone 32 never ceases to amaze me.

Political views have nothing to do with booking a whore tbh. You book, attend and shag them tbh. Its simple. Dont need help, mentally i am ok. Again just because you dont share the same views, you have said someone needs help. I can say you need help as well.

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Rape is on the rise in UK, and mostly is migrants, You carry on defending them. Come a few years i will be reading this page and your views on how the UK is going downhill because of a big invasion.



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[mills_and_bhuna]

Political views have nothing to do with booking a whore tbh. You book, attend and shag them tbh. Its simple. Dont need help, mentally i am ok. Again just because you dont share the same views, you have said someone needs help. I can say you need help as well.

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Rape is on the rise in UK, and mostly is migrants, You carry on defending them. Come a few years i will be reading this page and your views on how the UK is going downhill because of a big invasion.



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I wasn't referring to your political views.
I was referring to your way of expressing them

[Jerboa]

Political views have nothing to do with booking a whore tbh. You book, attend and shag them tbh. Its simple. Dont need help, mentally i am ok. Again just because you dont share the same views, you have said someone needs help. I can say you need help as well.

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Rape is on the rise in UK, and mostly is migrants, You carry on defending them. Come a few years i will be reading this page and your views on how the UK is going downhill because of a big invasion.



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They should never of been in this country, the government is responsible.

[Punting2022]

They should never of been in this country, the government is responsible.

Exactly. Disgusting scenes in London yesterday. Free Palestine terrorist on the roads when people should be remembering the lost Israeli victims. Hamas has been terrorising for years.

[mills_and_bhuna]

Maybe he was trying to allude to this? Or could one of many cases.

I get you're trying to defend him but I wasn't denying there's a problem with immigration and particularly illegal immigration.
I see he's alluded to me supposedly defending rapists or some such bullshit.
I've hardly posted anything on this particular issue .
But as usual he blurts it out before his (alleged) brain kicks into gear.
My main focus has been on why so many people from war torn countries come here and who starts these wars.
You already know my views on that.

[mills_and_bhuna]

Exactly. Disgusting scenes in London yesterday. Free Palestine terrorist on the roads when people should be remembering the lost Israeli victims. Hamas has been terrorising for years.

I remember the victims.
Including the ones the IDF killed themselves .
Hundreds of them.

[Punting2022]

I get you're trying to defend him but I wasn't denying there's a problem with immigration and particularly illegal immigration.
I see he's alluded to me supposedly defending rapists or some such bullshit.
I've hardly posted anything on this particular issue .
But as usual he blurts it out before his (alleged) brain kicks into gear.
My main focus has been on why so many people from war torn countries come here and who starts these wars.
You already know my views on that.

Well somalia, UK are not bombing them. Yet we have an invasion. Pakistan is the same.
So the war theory of us bombinbg and them coming over dont stick. 

[john122350]

Andy Burnham  : I know people are worried about fuel prices. And I get it. You get to the pump, watch the numbers climb, and wonder why it's costing so much more than it used to.

The reality is that global events are pushing up costs, and families here at home are feeling the impact.

But I won't accept that there's nothing I can do to help.

That's why from today, you'll be able to see petrol and diesel prices on Google Maps, compare nearby stations and find the cheapest option before you fill up.

It's a small change, but if there's a practical way to help people keep more money in their pocket, I'l do it.

[Punting2022]

Andy Burnham  : I know people are worried about fuel prices. And I get it. You get to the pump, watch the numbers climb, and wonder why it's costing so much more than it used to.

The reality is that global events are pushing up costs, and families here at home are feeling the impact.

But I won't accept that there's nothing I can do to help.

That's why from today, you'll be able to see petrol and diesel prices on Google Maps, compare nearby stations and find the cheapest option before you fill up.

It's a small change, but if there's a practical way to help people keep more money in their pocket, I'l do it.

Is that it. people dont need to see on a map that its high. How about temporary cut the duty to help. France have done it, India also. Uk can follow.

[timsussex]

who said the European parliament were a spineless waste of time (or words to that effect)

They are risking the wrath of The Donald with this sculpture
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[PatMacGroin]

who said the European parliament were a spineless waste of time (or words to that effect)

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That can't be real. Even if it is in an established media like the Telegraph.

I can't read the full article because of a pay wall. Maybe it's paywall click bait.

[timsussex]

That can't be real. Even if it is in an established media like the Telegraph.

I can't read the full article because of a pay wall. Maybe it's paywall click bait.

strange it came up for me ok  and I'm not a subscriber

lots of other reports google orange plague or the artist Jens Galschiøt

[Squire Haggard]

A  BBC investigation. Who would have thunk it !!

Bangladesh is not ''war torn''.

''Immigration enforcement have made arrests in connection with a suspected criminal network believed to be behind dozens of fake asylum claims from people pretending to be gay.
Those targeted by Home Office immigration enforcement officers on Tuesday morning are accused of charging migrants up to £4,500 for fabricated evidence, including staged photographs and fake documents.
They are thought to have aided dozens of asylum claims from Bangladeshi men, claiming they would be in fear for their lives if they returned home.''

''More than 100 asylum claims linked to the criminal network are being reviewed by the Home Office. Foster said some of the fake asylum applications would have "undoubtedly" been granted.''

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[mills_and_bhuna]

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They are a spineless waste of time.
If you think a sculpture is bravery I have a big orange blimp that says otherwise.

[Massagemanmr]

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Israel threatens to murder Piers Morgan

[Jerboa]

Robert Jenrick MP reported to police and Prevent over comments on Islam

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[RedKettle]

I listened today to a long interview with Shabana Mahmood (Home Secretary) on The Rest is Politics Leading.  For those interested in faith in politics, issues around immigration and also Palestine Action I believe it is an interesting and worthwhile listen, well worth the time.

It was great to hear a front line politician being so open and answering each question asked and I found the discussion around being a muslin in Britain interesting.

I appreciate that for the haters on here, especially the most frequent posters above, this will just be fuel on the flames.  I respectfully suggest you simply ignore this post.

If anyone listens I would be interested in your views.

 

[PatMacGroin]

strange it came up for me ok  and I'm not a subscriber

lots of other reports google orange plague or the artist Jens Galschiøt

Sorry, not exactly a paywall, but an email subscription required. I generally avoid those too.

Maybe you signed up in the past?

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Reading the other articles I accept it is real, but only temporary. It moves around climate protests and conventions and will be at the COP31 in Turkey next month. There's no way the EU would commission a permanent statue like that, of any world leader.