The Politics Thread

[mills_and_bhuna]

Your comment makes no sense.

He's being sarcastic

[Blackpool Rock]

Takes time. Rubbish Net zero was announced towards end of 2019. Which we then had the planned pandemic to cut emissions.

JLR was doing well, but as the deadline to drive these rubbish washing machines approach and the cheap Chinese crap has entered the market. The downfall has started after that.
Net Zero opened the way for chines rubbish to flood UK markets. As they have slowly flooded it, other manufacturers have lost sales. Also penalties from the useless government.

Tories and Reform were going to relax net zero, Labour scum not.

All has a knock on effect to Jobs, less sales means local people in the JLR supply chain loosing jobs.
Net zero is the downfall of Europe. All it has allowed is cheap chines cars to flood the market and get sales the Europeans had.

Without it, lovely 320d would still be selling like hotcakes and focus and fiestas.

Now we have Jeacos 7

Not according to their accounts they weren't, 2018-2019 saw a slump due to a sales drop in China and Tata wrote down $3.9Bn

Meanwhile the full year results ending 2025 was a decade high of £2.5Bn before tax

Basically you just talk a load of fucking shite 

[mills_and_bhuna]

Basically you just talk a load of fucking shite 

No argument there.......

[TallnHung]

Not according to their accounts they weren't, 2018-2019 saw a slump due to a sales drop in China and Tata wrote down $3.9Bn

Meanwhile the full year results ending 2025 was a decade high of £2.5Bn before tax

Basically you just talk a load of fucking shite 

Don't bamboozle the simple minded twat with recorded facts based on tax returns!
Likely he will tell you its all a conspiracy based on our lizard masters mind control in parliament and the Royal family!

[Massagemanmr]

Anyone who says there was no stand down on Oct 7 is either a fool or a liar.

dont forget the Hannibal directive oddly no other country on the planet has such a policy, anyone know why ?

[Charliehutton]

Don't bamboozle the simple minded twat...
Likely he will tell you its all a conspiracy based...

Hm. So believing in conspiracy theories makes one a 'simple minded twat', does it? Don't tell M & B, for fuck sake.

[Charliehutton]

dont forget the Hannibal directive oddly no other country on the planet has such a policy, anyone know why ?

Who are you, M & B lite?

I'm reminded of the famous heckle at the old Glasgow Empire, when Mike and Bernie Winters were the star turn..."Oh, fuck me, there's two of them..."

[Massagemanmr]

He's being sarcastic

I couldn't believe his reply either!

you simply cannot make it up with some of the dinos on here , they are so out of date and out of touch you simply cannot believe it

[TallnHung]

Hm. So believing in conspiracy theories makes one a 'simple minded twat', does it? Don't tell M & B, for fuck sake.

I'd put them both in the same box personally.
Different sides of one seriously fucked up coin.
Both think in pure black and white and can't understand any shade between the two.
Nuance lost on both of them.

[mills_and_bhuna]

Hm. So believing in conspiracy theories makes one a 'simple minded twat', does it? Don't tell M & B, for fuck sake.

Anyone who thinks Governments aren't continually conspiring against their electorates is being naive in the extreme.
You still haven't replied to the question I posed about Netanyahu.
Do you think he knew October 7 was going to happen, and let it happen for political and ideological advantage?

[RandomGuy99]

Not good news heading into winter

BBC News - Intensified Russian strikes are tearing Kyiv apart, warns mayor
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[Punting2022]

Not good news heading into winter

BBC News - Intensified Russian strikes are tearing Kyiv apart, warns mayor
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Burnham can se d more cash thier way from our defence budget

[RandomGuy99]

HMS Daring finally returning to the fleet after 3300 days of maintenance External Link/Members Only

So that's more of the Type 45s operational again

and there's now 5 Astute class attack subs in the water with the 6th under construction.

[Charliehutton]

Anyone who thinks Governments aren't continually conspiring against their electorates is being naive in the extreme.
You still haven't replied to the question I posed about Netanyahu.
Do you think he knew October 7 was going to happen, and let it happen for political and ideological advantage?

I'm in full agreement with your first, broad point. In the UK we've been lied to by our ruling classes for years.

I must have missed your question about Netanyahu. You always speak in such rhetorical riddles about the Middle East that I'm surprised to read a question I can understand. To which the answer is 'No'.

[Punting2022]

Well well

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[Punting2022]

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[DastardlyDick]

Well well

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And the source for that is?

[mills_and_bhuna]

I'm in full agreement with your first, broad point. In the UK we've been lied to by our ruling classes for years.

I must have missed your question about Netanyahu. You always speak in such rhetorical riddles about the Middle East that I'm surprised to read a question I can understand. To which the answer is 'No'.

So you think the breakout from Gaza was a surprise?
Even the Israeli press have doubts on that one.
I seem to recall a Labour activist being accused of antisemitism for having the gall to suggest that Netanyahu was lying and being expelled.
And of course Charlie Kirk famously voiced his disbelief at the official story citing the response time and level of surveillance routinely deployed around Gaza.
What happened to that guy?........

[Followyourdick]

And the source for that is?

Gbeebies?

[Doc Holliday]

Gbeebies?

Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood announced it 

[Doc Holliday]

You still haven't replied to the question I posed about Netanyahu.

The arrogance and the irony 

[Massagemanmr]

And the source for that is?

his imagination

[RandomGuy99]

his imagination

They did say it on the 10pm BBC news on Friday night but it could have been related to this External Link/Members Only

Iran doesn't need to smuggle people in on small boats with other refugees. It could easily get an agent in disguised as legal immigrant or on a small boat or plane on a less obvious route.

[bigden40]

Read this from a French poster I follow. Translated from French but I thought it made a few interesting observations.

To understand what's happening, we need to go back thirty-five years.

The wall falls. The West thinks it has won History. Fukuyama announces the end of ideological conflicts, and a generation of European leaders draws a crazy conclusion from it: nations, borders, cultures—all that belongs to the past. The future is a faceless global market, run by experts, treaties, and commissions that no one elected.

Maastricht in 1992. The euro. Embraced deindustrialization, because we can produce everything in China and factories are outdated. Mass immigration turned into policy, without ever asking the people's opinion. And when the people say no, like in 2005 with the referendum on the European Constitution, we ignore it and have Parliament vote on the same thing three years later.

Meanwhile, in the universities, another machine is turning. An ideology that teaches children their civilization is guilty, their history a shame, merit an oppression, and order a violence. It spills out of the campuses, colonizing the media, administrations, big corporations. It's what Elon calls the woke mind virus.

The result is right in front of our eyes. A ruling class out of touch that talks at Davos and no longer knows how to speak to Lorient. A bloated state that takes everything and protects nothing. A debt that's exploding. Public services collapsing. And a chunk of the youth filming a firefighter burning while cracking up.

That's the endpoint of the globalist project. And now, three possible outcomes.

The first is 1984. The system senses it's losing control, so it tightens the screws. Mandatory digital identity, central bank digital currency, network censorship in the name of fighting disinformation, algorithmic surveillance of every exchange. No fundamental problems get solved; we just ban talking about them. It's the path Brussels is already preparing with the DSA. An order without freedom.

The second is Lebanonization. The system can't even control anymore. The state withdraws bit by bit. Entire neighborhoods fall under other laws. Hospitals close, police stop showing up, electricity gets unreliable, communities arm themselves and retreat into isolation. The country doesn't die all at once; it fragments. Lebanon was the Switzerland of the Middle East. It took just a few years.

The third is the rebound. The return of order. The European Union as we know it breaks apart, nations reclaim their sovereignty, and the reckoning begins. A Nuremberg for communism and all those who drove this continent into the wall knowingly.

And I think this third path is by far the most likely. For a simple reason no one wants to see.

France is a nuclear power. It has ballistic missile submarines, nearly three hundred warheads, a permanent seat on the UN Security Council. The United States will never let an arsenal like that fall into total chaos. Never. Washington can tolerate a weak France, an arrogant France, a France that lectures. It will never tolerate a Lebanonized France with the bomb.

That means the total chaos scenario has a ceiling. There's a point beyond which the world's greatest power will intervene, one way or another, to bring order back. And today's America isn't Obama's anymore. It's the one that decided to destroy the woke mind virus. With Elon, who succeeds at everything he takes on. Reusable rockets, electric cars, Starlink, the Twitter buyout everyone said was impossible. He doesn't talk; he executes.

On the other side, what is there? Fake intelligence. The appearance of intelligence. Macron is its perfect embodiment: a communications product. Strip away his advisors, his talking points, his staging, and nothing's left. Put him in front of a whiteboard with a real problem to solve, and he wouldn't even know where to start. An entire system run by people who know how to appear, and not a single one who knows how to do.

This system rests on illusion. And illusions always end up collapsing.

So yes, I have hope. I believe all this fraud is going to crumble. And I believe that right after, a renaissance will come. One of builders, engineers, entrepreneurs, people who get up in the morning to create. Those who do, not those who appear.

Europe has already risen from its ashes. After Rome, after the plague, after two world wars. It will do so again.

And this time, we'll be there to rebuild it.

[mills_and_bhuna]

They did say it on the 10pm BBC news on Friday night but it could have been related to this External Link/Members Only

Iran doesn't need to smuggle people in on small boats with other refugees. It could easily get an agent in disguised as legal immigrant or on a small boat or plane on a less obvious route.

So Iran has a Jewish community which lives a fairly peaceful existence.
No synagogues attacked or rabbis imprisoned.
But they decide to target a Jewish community thousands of miles away ?
And people buy this shite without the slightest hint of scepticism ?
Very suspicious timing after the Fairford Fiasco failed .

[mills_and_bhuna]

Read this from a French poster I follow. Translated from French but I thought it made a few interesting observations.

What a heap of shite. Woke mind virus. 
Sounds like it was cobbled together by the French equivalent of Triggernometry and Jordan Peterson

[Thephoenix]

So Iran has a Jewish community which lives a fairly peaceful existence.
No synagogues attacked or rabbis imprisoned.
But they decide to target a Jewish community thousands of miles away ?
And people buy this shite without the slightest hint of scepticism ?
Very suspicious timing after the Fairford Fiasco failed .

Are you sure you post gives a fair description of the the experience of the Jewish community in Iran?

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[Doc Holliday]

his imagination

No

Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood announced it 

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[mills_and_bhuna]

Are you sure you post gives a fair description of the the experience of the Jewish community in Iran?

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So you quote me an obvious propaganda site with an American and an Israeli flag?
That explains a lot.....
What next?
The Daily Wire?

[bigden40]

So you quote me an obvious propaganda site with an American and an Israeli flag?
That explains a lot.....
What next?
The Daily Wire?

Classic logical fallacy from Mr Irony, never addresses an actual anrgument and thinks random YouTubes and tales from your arse are much better sources.

[bigden40]

So Iran has a Jewish community which lives a fairly peaceful existence.
No synagogues attacked or rabbis imprisoned.
But they decide to target a Jewish community thousands of miles away ?
And people buy this shite without the slightest hint of scepticism ?
Very suspicious timing after the Fairford Fiasco failed .

Utterly disingenuous bullshit, easily verified to the contrary.

Since the 1979 revolution the Jewish population of Iran has fallen by over 90%. The few that remain (8-10,000) live an unequal and precarious existence.

[mills_and_bhuna]

Classic logical fallacy from Mr Irony, never addresses an actual anrgument and thinks random YouTubes and tales from your arse are much better sources.

What was the argument?
He quoted an obvious Zionist propaganda source.
Are you going to debunk my assertion that it's propaganda with one of your usual screeds courtesy of Claude or The Free  Press.?

[Jerboa]

Not good news heading into winter

BBC News - Intensified Russian strikes are tearing Kyiv apart, warns mayor
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Russia can turn off the energy and heating in Kiev this winter, and Ukraine have little chance to stop it.

HMS Daring finally returning to the fleet after 3300 days of maintenance External Link/Members Only

So that's more of the Type 45s operational again

and there's now 5 Astute class attack subs in the water with the 6th under construction.

The people involved in the total incompetence or is it corruption should face trial.

[Jerboa]

Read this from a French poster I follow. Translated from French but I thought it made a few interesting observations.

That sums it up precisely, it's by design Cloward-Piven strategy, to destroy the civilisation, then re-build their new world order, remember in Covid, we had many world leaders repeating the same mantra 'build back better'

Lets hope the result is not 1984 or Lebanization, there are many who will need to face trial.

[Massagemanmr]

Utterly disingenuous bullshit, easily verified to the contrary.

Since the 1979 revolution the Jewish population of Iran has fallen by over 90%. The few that remain (8-10,000) live an unequal and precarious existence.

Jewish historian  Avi Shlaim says he has 'proof of Zionist involvement' in 1950s attack on Iraqi Jews
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[Massagemanmr]

What was the argument?
He quoted an obvious Zionist propaganda source.
Are you going to debunk my assertion that it's propaganda with one of your usual screeds courtesy of Claude or The Free  Press.?

these types LOVE their lame ass sources , the sun , daily mail , telegraph

The desperation is real

[Massagemanmr]

Classic logical fallacy from Mr Irony, never addresses an actual anrgument and thinks random YouTubes and tales from your arse are much better sources.

not as bad as your lame fake anti-semitism claims

Once and out of date Dino .....

[Thephoenix]

What was the argument?
He quoted an obvious Zionist propaganda source.
Are you going to debunk my assertion that it's propaganda with one of your usual screeds courtesy of Claude or The Free  Press.?

I thought the source was fairly factual.
I'd be interested to know which parts you claim are incorrect, and please give an alternative source I can read which in your opinion gives me a fairer picture.
Take your time.

[Thephoenix]

these types LOVE their lame ass sources , the sun , daily mail , telegraph

The desperation is real

Am I one of those types?
What are your main sources of information?  The 'M & B Annual of Conspiracy Theories'?

I quoted a source which I thought had some value and which gave an insight into the experience of Jews living in Iran.
You obviously must have read it to claim it's just propaganda.
Is none of it factual?

So I can get a balanced view, please quote what you consider to be a more factual and unbiased source.
Many thanks 

[Thephoenix]

Jewish historian  Avi Shlaim says he has 'proof of Zionist involvement' in 1950s attack on Iraqi Jews
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You're quite funny.
You mock my sources as being propaganda, yet you're happy to quote M.E.E. which is widely regarded as being sympathetic to The Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas.

[DastardlyDick]

The alleged Murderer of Anne Widecombe, Joshua Kerry, has also been charged with "preparation of terrorist acts, including against Farage.

[Massagemanmr]

You're quite funny.
You mock my sources as being propaganda, yet you're happy to quote M.E.E. which is widely regarded as being sympathetic to The Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas.

zzzzz have another go

[Jerboa]

The alleged Murderer of Anne Widecombe, Joshua Kerry, has also been charged with "preparation of terrorist acts, including against Farage.

Yes the police dropped the ball there, someone didn't do their job, the copper who was meant to have gone through the cctv of Farage's house is under investigation.

[Jerboa]

You're quite funny.
You mock my sources as being propaganda, yet you're happy to quote M.E.E. which is widely regarded as being sympathetic to The Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas.

M.E.E. may well have sympathetic links to the Muslim Brotherhood, so might our Home Secretary, but that's another story, there was genuine resentment of Jews in Arab countries since 1948, but there is a lot of evidence that Mossad organised false flag ops in Arab states against the Jewish community, why? So they would migrate to the new state of Israel.

[Punting2022]

The flydubai rogue pilot was born in pakistan. A country known to house terrorist. Just look at how they always attack or look to terrorise india.

He came uni in britain. Britains unis are breeding grounds. They always have qoran stalls on the roads.

Pak also have links to iran. Iran have sleeper cells in tbe world. So all links to iran.

Note that iran are 100 percent sending some of thier irgc as migrants to infiltrate britain

[Punting2022]

M.E.E. may well have sympathetic links to the Muslim Brotherhood, so might our Home Secretary, but that's another story, there was genuine resentment of Jews in Arab countries since 1948, but there is a lot of evidence that Mossad organised false flag ops in Arab states against the Jewish community, why? So they would migrate to the new state of Israel.

Shabina does have links to muslim brotherhood. She should be sacked

[webpunter]

Yes the police dropped the ball there, someone didn't do their job, the copper who was meant to have gone through the cctv of Farage's house is under investigation.

He'll be on other duties before being offered an early departure
The same set up for where rozzers get accused of sexual offences
Which can't entirely be proven tho the evidence is pretty damning
Like anyone above the age of about ten years old would figure it out
The police offer early retirement [on full benefits] so as to avoid another court case so further damaging their already dreadful statistics on the same   

[bigden40]

The flydubai rogue pilot was born in pakistan. A country known to house terrorist. Just look at how they always attack or look to terrorise india.

He came uni in britain. Britains unis are breeding grounds. They always have qoran stalls on the roads.

Pak also have links to iran. Iran have sleeper cells in tbe world. So all links to iran.

Note that iran are 100 percent sending some of thier irgc as migrants to infiltrate britain

Not exactly. He did a distance learning course with Buckinghamshire New University

[bigden40]

Shabina does have links to muslim brotherhood. She should be sacked

Does she?  Provide details.

[Punting2022]

Got to welcome them to the islamic state of Engladistan

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