The Politics Thread

[Blackpool Rock]

The RNLI are there to save lives at sea, regardless of where they come from.
Targetting volunteers is the quickest way to get a Life Boat Station closed - if that happens, I hope these protesters are the ones that can't be saved because there's no lifeboat.

RNLI volunteers are now being told they may wish to not wear RNLI branded clothes etc for fear of attacks / abuse 
FFS what's it coming to 

[Charliehutton]

Ever wondered why there are so many Italian mafia movies but hardly any about the Jewish mob ?

Ah, but don't forget Hyman Roth. According to Michael Corleone he'd been dying of the same heart attack for thirty years...

[whiskyfan]

RNLI volunteers are now being told they may wish to not wear RNLI branded clothes etc for fear of attacks / abuse 
FFS what's it coming to 

The inevitable result of radicalised idiots like Jerboa.

[mills_and_bhuna]

Ah, but don't forget Hyman Roth. According to Michael Corleone he'd been dying of the same heart attack for thirty years...

I said hardly any .
There was 'Bugsy'.
But there has been for decades an effort been made to suppress the idea that the Jewish mob was peripheral rather than central to the story.
No surprise when you see who owned the studios .
But apparently that's a trope.
Noticing is a problem.

[Watts.E.Dunn]

I know someone who if the Lifeboat had been a miniute longer in finding them and getting to them, they wouldn't be alive today.

Very bad sea and weather, had to be taken off the lifeboat via helicopter to hospital very brave selfless men, and women these days too.

I suppose they'd even drag the protester scum out of the water if they were required to do so, they don't discrimate.

The real issue is trhe actions of the French and English goverments, thats where their ire should be directed.

Not villifing sme very brave men..

[Charliehutton]

I said hardly any .
There was 'Bugsy'.
But there has been for decades an effort been made to suppress the idea that the Jewish mob was peripheral rather than central to the story.
No surprise when you see who owned the studios .
But apparently that's a trope.
Noticing is a problem.

FFS, M&B, it was only a joke!

[puntingking]

How likely will there be an early election in 2027 do you think?

I think it would be like turkey voting for Christmas if Mr Burnham decides to call an early election.

[Jerboa]

How likely will there be an early election in 2027 do you think?

I think it would be like turkey voting for Christmas if Mr Burnham decides to call an early election.

If Bunham think the right are divided, it would be a ideal time to take a election, if he won he would have a mandate.

[Adoniron]

How likely will there be an early election in 2027 do you think?

I think it would be like turkey voting for Christmas if Mr Burnham decides to call an early election.

It would. He won't.

[bigden40]

Very good, you have proven you can use Google.
What you have also done is shown that the very definition of Apartheid (which includes the copy and paste below) is exactly what is happening and has been happening for years in that region.  By the way I travelled in Israel many times and saw it with my own eyes.

International Law
Crime Against Humanity: The concept has evolved beyond South Africa. Under international law, apartheid is defined as an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over another, classified as a crime against humanity.

And you’ve proven that either you have no reading comprehension or you’re just hard of thinking, your apartheid comparison is completely wrong-headed and diminishes the very specific historical crime that was South African apartheid. You cheapen the word.

South African apartheid was a formal legal system of racial classification and permanent, hierarchical separation imposed by a state on its own citizens within a single sovereign nation: race determined citizenship, voting rights, residence, movement (pass laws), marriage, education, and access to services. It was explicit racial domination designed as the permanent order.

This is clearly not the situation within Israel where their Arab citizens (roughly 21% of the population) have full citizenship, vote in national elections, sit in the Knesset, serve on the Supreme Court, and hold senior public positions. Sure, there is undoubtedly discrimination and inequality - as there is in many democracies, including ours - but there is no legal architecture of racial hierarchy that denies them basic political rights.

[bigden40]

I think he probably uses Claude which only goes to prove how both AI platforms have been set up to propagate Zionism.
There were so many lies in that diatribe that I would be here all day pondering where to start.
I'm reading a book at the moment which lays out a lot of the business relationships which went into the founding of the Zionist colonial project (and indeed the forerunners of what ended up as the CIA) and it is literally like reading a history of organised crime in the USA and beyond.
Ever wondered why there are so many Italian mafia movies but hardly any about the Jewish mob ?
And coincidentally why Hollywood has so many movers and shakers of a certain group ?

You’re both wrong, but regardless I note that yet again you don't address any of the specific points.

[Punting2022]

RNLI volunteers are now being told they may wish to not wear RNLI branded clothes etc for fear of attacks / abuse 
FFS what's it coming to 

RNLI should be rescuing people drowning, Not be a taxi for rapist

[Punting2022]

Some of those same knuckle draggers went to protest outside a hotel where the under 19 Pakistan cricket team were staying.  Not the brightest are they!
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the team wont go back. Been many pakistani sportmen that didnt return

[mills_and_bhuna]

You’re both wrong, but regardless I note that yet again you don't address any of the specific points.

Because pretty much every one is a lie.
I'd be here all day.

[Followyourdick]

And you’ve proven that either you have no reading comprehension or you’re just hard of thinking, your apartheid comparison is completely wrong-headed and diminishes the very specific historical crime that was South African apartheid. You cheapen the word.

South African apartheid was a formal legal system of racial classification and permanent, hierarchical separation imposed by a state on its own citizens within a single sovereign nation: race determined citizenship, voting rights, residence, movement (pass laws), marriage, education, and access to services. It was explicit racial domination designed as the permanent order.

This is clearly not the situation within Israel where their Arab citizens (roughly 21% of the population) have full citizenship, vote in national elections, sit in the Knesset, serve on the Supreme Court, and hold senior public positions. Sure, there is undoubtedly discrimination and inequality - as there is in many democracies, including ours - but there is no legal architecture of racial hierarchy that denies them basic political rights.

You missed the bit where I said I have seen it in action with my own eyes which I am inclined to believe over your misguided bullshit.
You also conveniently missed the bit which says it has evolved.

[Followyourdick]

You’re both wrong, but regardless I note that yet again you don't address any of the specific points.

You didn’t use ai, that’s a laugh. Even ai says you used ai.

[webpunter]

RNLI should be rescuing people drowning, Not be a taxi for rapist

Of your numerous bollox comments IMO this is way beyond what is acceptable
I'm not exactly pro migrant am i !
This type of post does not look good on the optics for UKP

[mills_and_bhuna]

I see Trump and the batshit party are having a midterm convention in Dallas.
Apparently Grindr went down. Again.
And Trump offered the American public 5 big ones to every adult of voting age if they swallow his BS again and they take the house AND senate.
Note: they're still waiting for their tariff and DOGE checks.
This would add  1.3 trillion to the already 40 trillion national debt.
And of course the bond market will love this.
Good news is even the MAGA masses have had enough going by the empty seats(unless this is related to the aforementioned Grindr issue).
Only the hardcore loons left .
And it had a megachurch vibe.

[mills_and_bhuna]

Of your numerous bollox comments IMO this is way beyond what is acceptable
I'm not exactly pro migrant am i !
This type of post does not look good on the optics for UKP

Christ it must be bad if you're on his case

[mills_and_bhuna]

the team wont go back. Been many pakistani sportmen that didnt return

Yeah. They'll be so inspired by the welcome from the knuckle draggers and lamp post decorations that they'll be smitten.

[webpunter]

Christ it must be bad if you're on his case

Indeed
We are on the same page
Again
Which is a worry 

[bigden40]

You didn’t use ai, that’s a laugh. Even ai says you used ai.

I said I didn’t use Claude or ChatGPT

I make no apologies for using AI to help with the drafting of long posts. 

Feel free to argue the substance

[bigden40]

You missed the bit where I said I have seen it in action with my own eyes which I am inclined to believe over your misguided bullshit.
You also conveniently missed the bit which says it has evolved.

I didn’t miss the bit where you assert things without evidence that nevertheless fail to address the point I made.  But sure, continue to minimise apartheid by describing something that isn’t even close using the same word.

Please feel free to provide a factual counter argument though.

[webpunter]

I see Trump and the batshit party are having a midterm convention in Dallas.
Apparently Grindr went down. Again.
And Trump offered the American public 5 big ones to every adult of voting age if they swallow his BS again and they take the house AND senate.
Note: they're still waiting for their tariff and DOGE checks.
This would add  1.3 trillion to the already 40 trillion national debt.
And of course the bond market will love this.
Good news is even the MAGA masses have had enough going by the empty seats(unless this is related to the aforementioned Grindr issue).
Only the hardcore loons left .
And it had a megachurch vibe.

I must have missed Grindr whats the score ?

As for the 5 big ones reminds me of the FIFA attempted world cup sell off
Which he deffo knew about
Oooh vote for us a limited time window
I can see it ending up with the same outcome

The question is how much would you not want as a bribe but how much would you be willing to pay
If this guaranteed that Labour the benefit supporting migrant ethnic loving weak as nambys when it comes to national security policing & woke champions are gorne at the next election ?

As an aside Streeting looks like a member of a boy band that has reformed to go on tour coz they're running out of money
The pretty boy [we all know what this means]
Rather than a rugged ex forces type person with military awards for bravery
Streeting could contribute when it comes to battlefield camo make up & tips on skin conditioner for when serving in difficult climatic conditions

 

[Steve2]

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[puntingking]

If Bunham think the right are divided, it would be a ideal time to take a election, if he won he would have a mandate.

It would. He won't.

 

[Blackpool Rock]

RNLI should be rescuing people drowning, Not be a taxi for rapist

You do realise that part of their remit is to help / rescue people who are "In Danger" which presumably includes 100+ people on a clearly overcrowded boat.
Using your interpretation if a couple of young kids in an inflatable got swept out to sea one summers day they should rescue them unless the boat actually tipped over and they were in the water drowning 

[RandomGuy99]

Not a bribe because that would be illegal

BBC News - Is Trump's $5,000 pledge a sign of panic?
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[DastardlyDick]

Not a bribe because that would be illegal

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Anybody who believes they'll actually get $5000 is living in a fantasy world - they're still waiting for their money from Tariffs and the savings DOGE was supposed to make. Trump has a reputation for not  paying his bills.

[RandomGuy99]

Anybody who believes they'll actually get $5000 is living in a fantasy world - they're still waiting for their money from Tariffs and the savings DOGE was supposed to make. Trump has a reputation for not  paying his bills.

Remember Bush did send every household money after 9/11

[Blackpool Rock]

Not a bribe because that would be illegal

BBC News - Is Trump's $5,000 pledge a sign of panic?
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Then again he doesn't seem to have much if any regard for the law does he and isn't he now immune from prosecution anyway 

[DastardlyDick]

Then again he doesn't seem to have much if any regard for the law does he and isn't he now immune from prosecution anyway 

Isn't that only while he's in office 
It's all fairly accademic, if he can't force through a 3rd Term, he'll write himself a Pardon.

[Followyourdick]

I said I didn’t use Claude or ChatGPT

I make no apologies for using AI to help with the drafting of long posts. 

Feel free to argue the substance

That’s a bit like Farage saying they haven’t done anything wrong. Not saying it’s wrong to use ai but just deflect….

[Followyourdick]

I didn’t miss the bit where you assert things without evidence that nevertheless fail to address the point I made.  But sure, continue to minimise apartheid by describing something that isn’t even close using the same word.

Please feel free to provide a factual counter argument though.

Cba, I’m comfortable with my stance on this, you carry on defending how the Israelis treat the Arabs. I know they are treated like second class citizens.
It’s like Apartheid and that in no way whatsoever lessens what happened in SA.
I’m not ok with a group of people being treated like they are because of their ethnicity, it is morally wrong.

[bigden40]

Cba, I’m comfortable with my stance on this, you carry on defending how the Israelis treat the Arabs. I know they are treated like second class citizens.
It’s like Apartheid and that in no way whatsoever lessens what happened in SA.
I’m not ok with a group of people being treated like they are because of their ethnicity, it is morally wrong.

I’m not defending anything, I’m saying that words have meaning and you cheapen them by misusing them.

Arab citizens of Israel have the same legal rights as everyone else; under apartheid native, coloured and Asian citizens had different rights to each other and lesser rights to Whites.  These are facts, and it’s a pretty fundamental difference. Arabs facing discrimination in Israel is not the same thing as apartheid.

You continue to remain non-specific about the things you claim to have seen.

[Charliehutton]

You do realise that part of their remit is to help / rescue people who are "In Danger" which presumably includes 100+ people on a clearly overcrowded boat.

Although it's curious to note that they're only considered to be in danger in our half of the Channel. Nobody escorts them across the French half, where they're presumably considered safe.

[Stevelondon]

Anybody who believes they'll actually get $5000 is living in a fantasy world - they're still waiting for their money from Tariffs and the savings DOGE was supposed to make. Trump has a reputation for not  paying his bills.

Yet he still has people who believe the shit that comes out of his mouth and of course will be relying on those others stupid enough who believe in Spanish lottery wins and Nigerian princes who send emails etc.
I think the good old U S of A is awash with them 🤷🏼

[Blackpool Rock]

Isn't that only while he's in office 
It's all fairly accademic, if he can't force through a 3rd Term, he'll write himself a Pardon.

From a quick Google it appears to be official acts performed while in office, so i'm thinking it follows that he does this (illegal  ) act while in office so is therefore still immune after he leaves office 

[Blackpool Rock]

Yet he still has people who believe the shit that comes out of his mouth and of course will be relying on those others stupid enough who believe in Spanish lottery wins and Nigerian princes who send emails etc.
I think the good old U S of A is awash with them 🤷🏼

Yeah they were previously promised a cut of the tariff money and DOGE cut cash but still no cheques have arrived, some people will have benefited massively though as no doubt Trump himself and other rich buddies / family have all had kick backs one way or another even if it's in the form of a tax cut to the super rich.

Meanwhile the plebs still can't put gas in their tank and struggle to put food on the table but no doubt some of them will fall for the snake oil salesman again   

[bigden40]

That’s a bit like Farage saying they haven’t done anything wrong. Not saying it’s wrong to use ai but just deflect….

How is it like that?  And who’s deflecting, it’s you isn't it?

Like many people I use AI to assist in composing any long piece of text, to improve readability, remove inconsistencies, check whether my argument is supported by evidence or not, etc.  I use Claude and Perplexity extensively at work, sometimes Gemini if I need to create visuals.  I rarely use OpenAI or Llama at the moment but that can change. xAI is useful in some cases.

Regardless, what you get out of AI depends on what you put in and the extent to which you iterate and/or modify the output. 

So yes, I will run a long post through AI.  So what?

Do you have any counterfactuals to argue any of the points yet?

[bigden40]

From a quick Google it appears to be official acts performed while in office, so i'm thinking it follows that he does this (illegal  ) act while in office so is therefore still immune after he leaves office 

Why do you think it’s illegal?

From the BBC article on the subject:

“On the one hand it sounds a bit like a bribe, vote for the Republicans and you'll get money, which would be decidedly illegal," she said.  "But on the other hand it would go to everyone, regardless of how they voted so it isn't in that sense a bribe.

"I think it would be legal. It's the same kind of campaign pledge as saying 'if my party wins we'll reduce taxes'. Every party does that all the time... and that's obviously perfectly legal.

[Blackpool Rock]

Why do you think it’s illegal?

From the BBC article on the subject:

Perhaps you missed or intentionally decided to ignore the  emoji after the word illegal, so clearly I was asking if it is or isn't illegal or rather letting it be known that the question on legality is still under discussion, I don't have a firm stance on either position and also no confidence in the US legal system to actually come to a correct decision on whether or not it is legal 

[bigden40]

Perhaps you missed or intentionally decided to ignore the  emoji after the word illegal, so clearly I was asking if it is or isn't illegal or rather letting it be known that the question on legality is still under discussion, I don't have a firm stance on either position and also no confidence in the US legal system to actually come to a correct decision on whether or not it is legal 

Actually I did miss it, emojis on the site weren’t showing for me at all this morning.

 

[mills_and_bhuna]

I must have missed Grindr whats the score ?

The Republican Party conventions are known for an uptick in gay escort activity when they roll into town.
Recently deceased shitebag Lyndsey Graham was definitely a closet queen and current House speaker Mike Johnson makes Kier Starmer look like Chuck Norris
I wouldn't be surprised if Trump himself was partial to a tune on the pink oboe .
After all there was Bubba.......and Trump seemed to be a particular admirer of Arnold Palmer's manhood.
Not to mention his memory getting mixed up with his fantasy of a threesome with New York's finest
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[Jerboa]

Although it's curious to note that they're only considered to be in danger in our half of the Channel. Nobody escorts them across the French half, where they're presumably considered safe.

The French navy escorts them all the way to the border where UK border farce and RNLI pick them up, it is alleged that UK side know migrants are coming before they set off from the beaches.

[webpunter]

The Republican Party conventions are known for an uptick in gay escort activity when they roll into town.
Recently deceased shitebag Lyndsey Graham was definitely a closet queen and current House speaker Mike Johnson makes Kier Starmer look like Chuck Norris
I wouldn't be surprised if Trump himself was partial to a tune on the pink oboe .
After all there was Bubba.......and Trump seemed to be a particular admirer of Arnold Palmer's manhood.
Not to mention his memory getting mixed up with his fantasy of a threesome with New York's finest
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Now i get it
Mike Johnson could tee things up with Streeting, top & [pretty boy] bottom etc
Trumpy & his misremembering  he makes up more shit than Fat Boy in N.Korea

[southcoastpunter]

The French navy escorts them all the way to the border where UK border farce and RNLI pick them up, it is alleged that UK side know migrants are coming before they set off from the beaches.

According to a BBC news report I saw today, the migrant boats are offered assistance by the French whilst in French waters and these offers are refused by the boats- but surprise surprise, once they are in English waters, they accept help offered then by the uk boats/authorities!

Whatever your views on the boats and migrants, the RNLI offer assistance at sea to whoever needs it - and does not ask about the nationalities or ethnicity of those in “need”! I am not a fan of the way  we currently do things but we have to remember they are people and although they take stupid risks, we cannot just ignore the dangers they may be in and let them drown! To my mind we need to do more to stop the boats leaving France and then also just automatically fail asylum applications from anyone entering the country illegally! If they know they won’t be given asylum if they come illegally, surely most won’t come- ok we will need to have some ways they can apply for asylum from outside of the uk! But surely that can’t be too difficult can it?

[Punting2022]

According to a BBC news report I saw today, the migrant boats are offered assistance by the French whilst in French waters and these offers are refused by the boats- but surprise surprise, once they are in English waters, they accept help offered then by the uk boats/authorities!

Whatever your views on the boats and migrants, the RNLI offer assistance at sea to whoever needs it - and does not ask about the nationalities or ethnicity of those in “need”! I am not a fan of the way  we currently do things but we have to remember they are people and although they take stupid risks, we cannot just ignore the dangers they may be in and let them drown! To my mind we need to do more to stop the boats leaving France and then also just automatically fail asylum applications from anyone entering the country illegally! If they know they won’t be given asylum if they come illegally, surely most won’t come- ok we will need to have some ways they can apply for asylum from outside of the uk! But surely that can’t be too difficult can it?

Introduce SHarks onto our coast tbh.

[Punting2022]

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So a stray military plane. UK weak defence did not pick it up.

[webpunter]

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So a stray military plane. UK weak defence did not pick it up.

It came as Labour was ridiculed today as it emerged the aviation minister boasted about giving Britain’s air traffic control ‘increased resilience’ – just a day before it went into meltdown.
Keir Mather said the air traffic control system was ‘well prepared’ after ministers introduced new laws in a bid to prevent a repeat of a previous meltdown in 2023

You can't make it up
The Govt owns 50% of NATS hence why they want to make sure no / minimal compo payouts
For the total incompetence
Just like The Post Office which is 100% owned
All Govts are weak when it comes to running most things
Labour especially they've got the union mentality which is a collective of occasionally hard workers but plodders underachievers
If those employed had anything about them they wouldn't want the embarrassment of being seen to work in the public sector
Excl. the NHS Police & Forces, obvs .  Respec to them 
& Burnthingsdown wants more brought back into the public sector
What can possibly go wrong ? 
The fucktard running NATS [+ senior mgt] will probably go quietly with mahoosive payouts platinum plated pensions
Meanwhile passengers have their travel plans fucked over costs them ££ with no redress 
Loads of the usual crap it shouldn't happen we're sorry & we'll learn from this blah blah