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Offline WASA38

Sounds like Channel4 have got Farage and his felloow grifters bang to rights:-

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Labour, Tories, Greens, Lib Dems and SNP all demanding police investigation and hardly surprising.

Would dearly love to see the shyster doing a stretch at His Majesty's pleasure but not holding my breath.

Offline whiskyfan

And she took the award with gratitude, and didn't cry about it.  :P

Funny how the fragile little snowflake blocked me on Twitter when I reminded her of it then.😂

Offline Jerboa

Funny how the fragile little snowflake blocked me on Twitter when I reminded her of it then.😂

I wouldn't call her fragile or a snowflake, the amount of shit she's gone through, and she is still alive, maybe she just thought you were a pointless twat.  :hi:

Offline webpunter

KH does it for me
She does like drinking bet she's a norty one
She's just about the only person who says things as they actually are

And a Somali for Holborn - we wish Sagaloo Abu Dhabi all the best
Labour candidate  :rolleyes:
Sums up labour wanting to consolidate the ethnic vote the numbers are getting higher higher best capitalize on it
Khan will be overjoyed bigger vibrant multicultural just like Notting Hill
The only things i know about Somalia are Blackhawk Down [fuck me did the US loose off a lot of rounds dropping the skinnies]
& that its that its full of terrorists who do their best to come over here & cause havoc
Ooops nearly forgot their only country industry is piracy

& on the tragedy in Middlesborough
Sincere condolences to the families of the police officers who died. The parents of these feral kids should be prosecuted for your loss
Kids. Stop doing these ridiculous hand gestures. You look like complete thundercunts


There's been memorials of sorts yoofs sliding cars around [half inched] then setting them on fire, you cant make it up  :dash:
A real shame that the cunts didn't hit a bridge or tree rather than the police coming in the opposite direction
Opposite is an apt word, most people run away from trouble the police gravitate towards it for our benefit  :hi:

4 of the 5 have got criminal records [CR] including assaulting police officers
They regard a CR as a badge of honour
& what happened to them ? the square root of FA
A fine which they'll pay from their crim activities
Bang them up in juve or prison dont be silly there isn;t enough space for them
& wokey bollox deprived childhood ..... blah blah
This is where the problem starts & then escalates
They'll be on camera assaulting the police IMO it should instant remand detention & see how long the case takes to get to Court
If this happens assaults on the police will drop off the face of a cliff

Try attacking the police in spain france italy & see how far you get
They'll beat the shit of you bang you up in a cell with 30 40 other scum & if there is some unwanted bum action oh dear
People try & take legal action they get laughed at told to off you fuck [by the rozzers & the legal system] & if you carry on we'll make your life a misery
Fancy deportation you & your [very] extended family ?
= much much lower attacks on the police
Simples


Offline whiskyfan

I wouldn't call her fragile or a snowflake, the amount of shit she's gone through, and she is still alive, maybe she just thought you were a pointless twat.  :hi:

All self inflicted, just like your other hero Tommy.

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Offline Blackpool Rock

Sounds like Channel4 have got Farage and his felloow grifters bang to rights:-

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Labour, Tories, Greens, Lib Dems and SNP all demanding police investigation and hardly surprising.

Would dearly love to see the shyster doing a stretch at His Majesty's pleasure but not holding my breath.
2 senior officials have stepped down pending an internal investigation, I guess they are thinking / hoping that a couple of sacrificial lambs will save Farage & co

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I meant to post this the other day but didn't get round to it, basically Farage whining like a bitch about how everything is unfair against him / Reform and we have a "complainants society" because his funding is being questioned, perhaps stop doing dodgy deals then  :unknown:

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2 senior officials have stepped down pending an internal investigation, I guess they are thinking / hoping that a couple of sacrificial lambs will save Farage & co

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This makes me laugh.
The grifting frog faced gobshite caught red handed.
His followers will say he didn’t do anything wrong because that’s what he will say, not for the want of trying though was it!!
He’s nothing but a lying grifting slippery slimey Trump wannabe sack of shit.

Offline DastardlyDick

Sounds like Channel4 have got Farage and his felloow grifters bang to rights:-

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Labour, Tories, Greens, Lib Dems and SNP all demanding police investigation and hardly surprising.

Would dearly love to see the shyster doing a stretch at His Majesty's pleasure but not holding my breath.
I saw some of it last night on YT where  Farage's "right hand man" openly said that if someone's dad gave him 500k and he then gave it to Reform it wasn't a foreign donation.
Sadly, as you say, it's unlikely Farage will see the inside of a cell - he seemed to be (at least) one stage removed from the fund raising process - he'll just throw these underlings to the wolves and move on to the next grift.

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Sounds like Channel4 have got Farage and his felloow grifters bang to rights:-

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Labour, Tories, Greens, Lib Dems and SNP all demanding police investigation and hardly surprising.

Would dearly love to see the shyster doing a stretch at His Majesty's pleasure but not holding my breath.

For me the two most interesting parts of the Channel 4 report were:

(a)  The several redacted names of people who have previously used the illegal route to donate to Reform UK.  (This method involves a donation from a foreign donor being channelled through a British citizen resident in the UK or someone on the UK electoral roll.)  An investigation into these earlier donations will be even more awkward for Reform than the Channel 4 / Verbatim “hoax” itself.

(b) Nigel Farage’s behaviour during the meal at which he met the men impersonating the American father and the “legal” son who were proposing to donate £500,000 – he seemed to be saying as little as he possibly could, but unfortunately for him he obviously couldn't avoid acknowledging and thanking such generous apparent donors, even though the illegal nature of the donation had been explained.

In my view, Farage almost certainly knew about all the illegally channelled donations.  But it will be hard to prove.

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In my view, Farage almost certainly knew about all the illegally channelled donations.  But it will be hard to prove.
Of course he knows, it’s his limited company!

Offline Blackpool Rock

Meanwhile Argentina's nutter of a President is sabre rattling over the Falklands again, his popularity is low at the moment and this issue has always been a standard "Go-to" to bolster support

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He's also emboldened by Trumps comments about the US's support being under review regarding the UK's ownership of the islands

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In my view, Farage almost certainly knew about all the illegally channelled donations.  But it will be hard to prove.

Of course he knows, it’s his limited company!

Fair point!

However I should have expressed myself with more precision.  The central issue is whether Farage knew that the donations were illegal. 

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Fair point!

However I should have expressed myself with more precision.  The central issue is whether Farage knew that the donations were illegal.
Irrelevant, ignorance of the law is no defence.
That apart he would have known anyway.

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One thing that struck me watching last night's report was how seedy and slightly sinister the people who run Reform UK are.  The sight of Niggle Farrago and his entourage of smooth young women walking in a group is troubling and unattractive, indeed borderline emetic. 

Yes, other parties have had their wrong 'uns over the years, but there's something not quite right about the atmosphere and culture around Reform.  God help us if the government of the United Kingdom ever falls into the hands of this mob.

Meanwhile, the two men who featured most prominently in last night’s TV report – Farrago’s senior aide Dan Jukes and Reform's head of policy James Orr – have duly fallen on their swords:
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Meanwhile Argentina's nutter of a President is sabre rattling over the Falklands again, his popularity is low at the moment and this issue has always been a standard "Go-to" to bolster support

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He's also emboldened by Trumps comments about the US's support being under review regarding the UK's ownership of the islands

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If trump wants to play games like that, we should put USA access to Fylingdales, Menwith Hill, the USA air bases in the UK, along with Gibraltar, Cyprus, Ascension and Diego Garcia "under review".
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His followers will say he didn’t do anything wrong because that’s what he will say, not for the want of trying though was it!!
He’s nothing but a lying grifting slippery slimey Trump wannabe sack of shit.

Recognising that there are some dyed in the wool Farage haters here, as well as probably some supporters, as a neutral I'd just ask the following: is what he's being accused of any different from what any of us do when we're with our accountants or solicitors seeking advice on how to avoid (not evade) tax, or to skirt troublesome regulations, eg for planning or licencing etc?  :unknown:

Offline DastardlyDick

Recognising that there are some dyed in the wool Farage haters here, as well as probably some supporters, as a neutral I'd just ask the following: is what he's being accused of any different from what any of us do when we're with our accountants or solicitors seeking advice on how to avoid (not evade) tax, or to skirt troublesome regulations, eg for planning or licencing etc?  :unknown:
I take your point, but there's a world of difference between you and me playing the planning or licencing system and the sums of money involved in this which was £500k, plus other, similar donations in the past.
I'm not a "hater" of Farage, even though I don't agree with most of his policies.

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Recognising that there are some dyed in the wool Farage haters here, as well as probably some supporters, as a neutral I'd just ask the following: is what he's being accused of any different from what any of us do when we're with our accountants or solicitors seeking advice on how to avoid (not evade) tax, or to skirt troublesome regulations, eg for planning or licencing etc?  :unknown:
I am one of the frog face haters.
Apart from the whataboutery here,  tax evasion is illegal and relies on deception, that description could not be more appropriate for these grifters, avoidance is not illegal.
I should add it’s abundantly clear that what they were trying to do was illegal.
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I am one of the frog face haters.
Apart from the whataboutery here,  tax evasion is illegal and relies on deception, that description could not be more appropriate for these grifters, avoidance is not illegal.
I should add it’s abundantly clear that what they were trying to do was illegal.

I somehow guessed you were.

I think you've misapplied the term "whataboutery" but let's overlook that.  And I emphasised the point about the difference between evasion and avoidance myself didn't I?  So we're left with my original question unanswered, ie, is there anything illegal in trying to explore ways to overcome legal hurdles?

Offline DastardlyDick

The Laws around the funding of political parties is very clear - no foreign donations - if a foreign person gives money to a person in the UK on the Electoral Roll having instructed that person to or knowing that person will give it to Reform UK Ltd, s/he has broken the Law.  As I said before, there's a huge difference between a member of the public playing the planning or licencing system and Farage "earning" a minimum of £500k.

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I somehow guessed you were.

I think you've misapplied the term "whataboutery" but let's overlook that.  And I emphasised the point about the difference between evasion and avoidance myself didn't I?  So we're left with my original question unanswered, ie, is there anything illegal in trying to explore ways to overcome legal hurdles?
I don’t think I have misapplied anything tbh.
Somebody did something dodgy but that’s ok because here’s someone else who also did something dodgy, that’s whatsboutery.
Anyway to answer your question head on, there is nothing illegal about exploring different ways whether those ways are legal or not, if what you do after exploring those ways happens to be illegal then there is definitely something wrong with that.
Let’s not pretend that they would not have gone ahead with this, it just shows how slippery, unethical, dodgy, untrustworthy, deceitful, dishonest and devious they are.

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I don’t think I have misapplied anything tbh.
Somebody did something dodgy but that’s ok because here’s someone else who also did something dodgy, that’s whatsboutery.
Anyway to answer your question head on, there is nothing illegal about exploring different ways whether those ways are legal or not, if what you do after exploring those ways happens to be illegal then there is definitely something wrong with that.
Let’s not pretend that they would not have gone ahead with this, it just shows how slippery, unethical, dodgy, untrustworthy, deceitful, dishonest and devious they are.

So despite the peripheral stuff, it seems we're in agreement.  :hi:

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So despite the peripheral stuff, it seems we're in agreement.  :hi:
Well, tbf what we are agreeing on is the peripheral stuff, the main point is that frog face has been caught trying to break the law.
I won’t be surprised however if he gets away with it.

Offline Jerboa

Meanwhile Argentina's nutter of a President is sabre rattling over the Falklands again, his popularity is low at the moment and this issue has always been a standard "Go-to" to bolster support

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He's also emboldened by Trumps comments about the US's support being under review regarding the UK's ownership of the islands

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It's all about the oil, two energy companies are beginning to drill offshore of the Falklands. Argentina has no historic claim on the islands, they weren’t even a glint in the Spanish Empires eye, when Britain settled the Falklands.

A lot of blame has to be put on the government, openly wanting to hand over the Chagos islands to a country who never had any historical claim to Chagos and handing them billions to do so.

You can see why the Argies are eying it up. If Argentina did invade the islands again, British forces would put up a good fight, and take out Argentine attackers, but would likely be over run. There are around 1200 British force on the Falklands. There are only 4 Typhoon fighters, a air defence battery, and a infantry company of 120 men there at any one time. The Royal Navy struggled to get a single destroyer to Cyprus, we need to reassess our military posture on the islands.

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Recognising that there are some dyed in the wool Farage haters here, as well as probably some supporters, as a neutral I'd just ask the following: is what he's being accused of any different from what any of us do when we're with our accountants or solicitors seeking advice on how to avoid (not evade) tax, or to skirt troublesome regulations, eg for planning or licencing etc?  :unknown:

It is different. This is not about HMRC and Tax legislation and avoidance per se, but relates to breaches by the Reform Party under the 'Political Parties, Elections and Referendums Act 2000'. This legislation is overseen and regulated by the Electoral Commission who monitor the finances of political parties. The Act only applies to the latter group and so would not be relevant to you and I. Assuming you are not an MP?  :D

The potential breaches relate to strict rules around donations. It would appear there were discussions about methods to 'hide' certain donations to avoid breaching the rules, though in the end no actual donations took place using the discussed methods  :hi: For Political parties it seems the net effect is that 'avoidance' is illegal.
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Offline bigden40

It's all about the oil, two energy companies are beginning to drill offshore of the Falklands. Argentina has no historic claim on the islands, they weren’t even a glint in the Spanish Empires eye, when Britain settled the Falklands.

A lot of blame has to be put on the government, openly wanting to hand over the Chagos islands to a country who never had any historical claim to Chagos and handing them billions to do so.

You can see why the Argies are eying it up. If Argentina did invade the islands again, British forces would put up a good fight, and take out Argentine attackers, but would likely be over run. There are around 1200 British force on the Falklands. There are only 4 Typhoon fighters, a air defence battery, and a infantry company of 120 men there at any one time. The Royal Navy struggled to get a single destroyer to Cyprus, we need to reassess our military posture on the islands.

Despite the woeful state of our armed forces, the UK still holds a decisive overall military advantage over Argentina. An Argentine attempt to invade the Falklands again would almost certainly fail, with high risk of heavy Argentine losses and rapid British reinforcement and repulsion.

Argentina is significantly degraded since 1982 too. It barely has a navy or air force worth talking about. No carriers, no operational submarines, ageing destroyers/frigates/corvettes left over from ‘80s, some second hand F-16s are on the way from Denmark.

The Typhoon v F-16 matchup isn’t even close. 

This would end faster than the last time.


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Despite the woeful state of our armed forces, the UK still holds a decisive overall military advantage over Argentina. An Argentine attempt to invade the Falklands again would almost certainly fail, with high risk of heavy Argentine losses and rapid British reinforcement and repulsion.

Argentina is significantly degraded since 1982 too. It barely has a navy or air force worth talking about. No carriers, no operational submarines, ageing destroyers/frigates/corvettes left over from ‘80s, some second hand F-16s are on the way from Denmark.

The Typhoon v F-16 matchup isn’t even close. 

This would end faster than the last time.

With all due respect, Jerboa is an expert military strategist so I think you will find you are mistaken.

Offline Jerboa

With all due respect, Jerboa is an expert military strategist so I think you will find you are mistaken.

I'm no expert, Bigden has a point, Argentina hasn't modernised their military for decades. However look a basic geography, the Falklands are a very long way away, we don't have the navy we had 40 years ago, if by some catastrophe Argentina did take the islands, it would be extremely tough to liberate them as we did in 1982. So the UK government should leave Buenos Aires in no doubt, and reinforce the forces in the Falklands.

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I'm no expert, Bigden has a point, Argentina hasn't modernised their military for decades. However look a basic geography, the Falklands are a very long way away, we don't have the navy we had 40 years ago, if by some catastrophe Argentina did take the islands, it would be extremely tough to liberate them as we did in 1982. So the UK government should leave Buenos Aires in no doubt, and reinforce the forces in the Falklands.

I’m no expert either but I can do basic research.

In the Falklands the UK maintains a permanent garrison of roughly 1,000–1,500 personnel, including a roulement infantry company, engineers, and support. Key assets at RAF Mount Pleasant include a detachment of Typhoon fighters (typically 4), ground-based air defence (e.g., Sky Sabre), an A400 transport, and a dedicated Royal Navy offshore patrol vessel (e.g., River-class) on station. This is vastly stronger than the token presence in 1982. Reinforcements (air, naval, ground) can be surged from the UK and Ascension with aerial refuelling.

The UK still ranks in the global top tier militarily (top 5–10 depending on index); Argentina around 50th. UK advantages are qualitative (training, doctrine, technology, intelligence, logistics, nuclear threshold, alliances) as well as quantitative in the domains that matter most for the South Atlantic. Argentina’s forces remain degraded relative to 1982 despite recent modest modernisation under Milei (F-16s, some Strykers, P-3s, training cooperation with the US).

Naval strength:

UK: Two Queen Elizabeth-class aircraft carriers (F-35B capable), ~9–10 nuclear submarines (including ballistic-missile boats), ~50+ surface combatants/fleet auxiliaries (Type 45 destroyers with advanced air defence, frigates, etc.). Global reach and sustainment.

Argentina: No aircraft carrier, no operational submarines, a handful of ageing destroyers/frigates/corvettes (mostly 1980s MEKO designs with limited availability), limited amphibious shipping. Essentially a coastal/EEZ force with minimal power projection.

Air strength:

UK: Hundreds of fixed-wing aircraft including Typhoons and growing F-35 fleet, plus tankers, AWACS/ISR, and rotary assets. High readiness and quality.

Argentina: Limited combat aircraft, primarily a small number of second-hand F-16s arriving from Denmark (first batch of 6 in late 2025; up to 24 planned by ~2028), plus older A-4 Skyhawks and limited other types. Very few tankers; limited ability to sustain operations over the islands.

Likely outcome of an Argentine invasion attempt:

Argentina lacks the amphibious lift, sea control, air superiority, and sustained logistics to seize and hold the islands against the existing garrison plus rapid British response.
- Any approach by sea or air would face UK sensors, Typhoons, air defence missiles, and (if available) submarine threats. Argentine F-16s would be outmatched in quality, numbers, and support over the islands.
- Even a surprise raid or limited landing would confront prepared defenders and invite immediate British reinforcement. UK carriers, submarines, and long-range air power give London the ability to interdict Argentine lines of communication.
- Analysts (including former UK officers) assess Argentina as weaker relative to Britain than in 1982, while the UK’s local defensive posture is stronger. Argentina would suffer heavy losses for little chance of lasting success. Political and economic costs for Buenos Aires would be severe.
 
TLDR, the military balance heavily favours the UK. Despite the rhetoric Argentina currently has no credible conventional means to take the islands by force. The UK’s commitment to defending them (and the islanders’ right to self-determination) remains firm.
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It's been estimated (by the Russians) that there are 511 billion barrels of oil in British Antarctic Territory, which is bigger than Saudi Arabia's current reserves. We only have the BAT because of our control of The Falklands. The presence of Oil and other minerals was long suspected to be the case and was one of the reasons for the UK going to War 40 years ago, the other one being that Maggie T had an election to win.

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I'm no expert, Bigden has a point, Argentina hasn't modernised their military for decades. However look a basic geography, the Falklands are a very long way away, we don't have the navy we had 40 years ago, if by some catastrophe Argentina did take the islands, it would be extremely tough to liberate them as we did in 1982. So the UK government should leave Buenos Aires in no doubt, and reinforce the forces in the Falklands.

Its always been about British Sovereignty & oil
Always the oil i posted on the same forever ago, coz i love the feckless argie cunts  ;)
Relatively expensive to drill there however as supplies dwindle & prices rise it becomes more attractive to get it out
Hopefully far enuf away for anti scotland anti north sea oil & gas labour that it drops below the horizon

Perhaps the feckless argies posturing will give Burnham & anti-war Labour a wake up call
The only Labour PM up for a war is rather was Blair
Burnham pretending that Britain at the military forefront in Europe quite the Statesman  :rolleyes:
Was the invite to the french dwarf & his aged bloke of a wife [think two bits of ryvita for a minge lots of lube needed  :scare:] to say thank you for sticking a french carrier & strike group close to Cyprus ?
Whilst Queer Starmer hid under the bed agonising about sending HMS Dragon trying to delay it as much as possible
At least until most of the danger had passed
Everyone knows that labour's focus is spending as much as poss on benefits & future voters = migrants
The armed forces dont be silly
John Healey [who looks like he's on his last legs, face bothered time to off you fuck] what a difficult position he's in resigning as Secretary of State for Defence [such a title for Labour is an oxymoron] for woefully unacceptable spending & targets now is Chancellor of The Exchequer

Britain is all but on its own when it comes to the Falklands best the Govt takes things seriously & soon

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Denmark’s plan to sell 24 of its F-16A/B fighters will provide Argentina with capable fourth-generation fighter aircraft, able to conduct a wide range of missions
IMO Britain make it crystal to Denmark that this is not the done thing, if they want support for Greenland not becoming part of the US

Negotiations are also ongoing for the purchase of three modern Scorpene diesel-electric attack submarines from France
The french cunts are it again
Exocet missiles & fighter jets prior to the Falklands war
Burnham should tell the french dwarf to cancel this

The argie PM looks like a combo of Ken Dodd & Benny Hill

The big way forward is drone technology especially long range gear
Get the Ukrainians over to the UK we help you & you help us

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It's been estimated (by the Russians) that there are 511 billion barrels of oil in British Antarctic Territory, which is bigger than Saudi Arabia's current reserves. We only have the BAT because of our control of The Falklands. The presence of Oil and other minerals was long suspected to be the case and was one of the reasons for the UK going to War 40 years ago, the other one being that Maggie T had an election to win.

Indeed foresight & planning on the oil minerals gas etc
Rather convenient timing for Maggie
That was an electoral about turn
Thank fuck she was PM
The labour limp wristed wankers [often presenting a benders Starmer springs to mind lets be generous he's metrosexual] would have been negotiating for a settlement
Not on the scale of Churchill  :hi: but in the same mould

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I’m no expert either but I can do basic research.

In the Falklands the UK maintains a permanent garrison of roughly 1,000–1,500 personnel, including a roulement infantry company, engineers, and support. Key assets at RAF Mount Pleasant include a detachment of Typhoon fighters (typically 4), ground-based air defence (e.g., Sky Sabre), an A400 transport, and a dedicated Royal Navy offshore patrol vessel (e.g., River-class) on station. This is vastly stronger than the token presence in 1982. Reinforcements (air, naval, ground) can be surged from the UK and Ascension with aerial refuelling.

The UK still ranks in the global top tier militarily (top 5–10 depending on index); Argentina around 50th. UK advantages are qualitative (training, doctrine, technology, intelligence, logistics, nuclear threshold, alliances) as well as quantitative in the domains that matter most for the South Atlantic. Argentina’s forces remain degraded relative to 1982 despite recent modest modernisation under Milei (F-16s, some Strykers, P-3s, training cooperation with the US).

Naval strength:

UK: Two Queen Elizabeth-class aircraft carriers (F-35B capable), ~9–10 nuclear submarines (including ballistic-missile boats), ~50+ surface combatants/fleet auxiliaries (Type 45 destroyers with advanced air defence, frigates, etc.). Global reach and sustainment.

Argentina: No aircraft carrier, no operational submarines, a handful of ageing destroyers/frigates/corvettes (mostly 1980s MEKO designs with limited availability), limited amphibious shipping. Essentially a coastal/EEZ force with minimal power projection.

Air strength:

UK: Hundreds of fixed-wing aircraft including Typhoons and growing F-35 fleet, plus tankers, AWACS/ISR, and rotary assets. High readiness and quality.

Argentina: Limited combat aircraft, primarily a small number of second-hand F-16s arriving from Denmark (first batch of 6 in late 2025; up to 24 planned by ~2028), plus older A-4 Skyhawks and limited other types. Very few tankers; limited ability to sustain operations over the islands.

Likely outcome of an Argentine invasion attempt:

Argentina lacks the amphibious lift, sea control, air superiority, and sustained logistics to seize and hold the islands against the existing garrison plus rapid British response.
- Any approach by sea or air would face UK sensors, Typhoons, air defence missiles, and (if available) submarine threats. Argentine F-16s would be outmatched in quality, numbers, and support over the islands.
- Even a surprise raid or limited landing would confront prepared defenders and invite immediate British reinforcement. UK carriers, submarines, and long-range air power give London the ability to interdict Argentine lines of communication.
- Analysts (including former UK officers) assess Argentina as weaker relative to Britain than in 1982, while the UK’s local defensive posture is stronger. Argentina would suffer heavy losses for little chance of lasting success. Political and economic costs for Buenos Aires would be severe.
 
TLDR, the military balance heavily favours the UK. Despite the rhetoric Argentina currently has no credible conventional means to take the islands by force. The UK’s commitment to defending them (and the islanders’ right to self-determination) remains firm.
Unfortunately, the Royal Navy is down on ships and sailors. It would struggle to put a force together to retake or even defend the Falklands.

They just told the army to cancel non-essential training BBC News - British army told to stop non-essential training exercises to save money - BBC News
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The Royal Navy doesn't have enough supply and fuel ships to keep their ships at sea. When they go on tours or exercises they have to borrow supply ships from the Canadians or French and they wouldn't want to get involved in the Falklands.

The UK hasn't got enough aircraft or pilots for the F35s or sailors to put the two aircraft carriers at sea at the same time. There aren't enough operational destroyers and other ships to protect them at sea. The carriers would be expensive sitting ducks waiting for a missile to hit them.

The army is now a token force which lacks ammunition and decent equipment. It couldn't operate for weeks or months on a major deployment.

The Royal Air force lacks long distance bombing capability and the Falklands air field is open to attack from swarm attacks by 100s of cheap drones as the Ukrainian war has demonstrated. Park a commercial looking ship off the coast and launch a surprise attack by a swarm if drones which would easily overwhelm the anticraft missiles on the Falklands. The UK couldn't send 30 Typhoons to the Falklands as there would be nowhere for them to stored and maintained or house the munitions to keep them effective and there aren't enough tankers to get them there.

All your enemies are going to exploit this weakness.  History has taught us nothing.

Trump is supporting Argentina as he is trying to scare the UK into upping defence spending and I think Andy Burnham is going to have to do it by cutting the welfare budget.
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You really couldn't make up how shockingly bad things are with the UK armed forces

They're also ploughing ahead with deploying a new armoured vehicle that isn't fit for purpose to the point that it struggles to turn around and has been damaging the hearing of the crews.
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Royal Navy current strength

High-end warfighting vessels: ~25

→ 2 carriers
→ 6 destroyers
→ ~8 frigates
→ ~5–6 attack submarines
→ 4 ballistic-missile submarines

*The Type 23 number is changing during the current retirement programme. In July 2026 the Royal Navy announced the retirement of HMS Iron Duke and HMS Richmond, among others.

For the major combat fleet

The current fleet includes 6 Type 45 destroyers, but their availability is substantially less than six simultaneously. For example, the MOD said in January 2026 that three Type 45s — Dauntless, Dragon and Duncan — were operational.

And in July 2026, Parliament was asked specifically about the availability of the two carriers, six Type 45s, five remaining Type 23s and five Astute SSNs. The government declined to give the precise availability, saying doing so would give an adversary an advantage
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Its always been about British Sovereignty & oil
Always the oil i posted on the same forever ago, coz i love the feckless argie cunts  ;)
Relatively expensive to drill there however as supplies dwindle & prices rise it becomes more attractive to get it out
Hopefully far enuf away for anti scotland anti north sea oil & gas labour that it drops below the horizon

Perhaps the feckless argies posturing will give Burnham & anti-war Labour a wake up call
The only Labour PM up for a war is rather was Blair
Burnham pretending that Britain at the military forefront in Europe quite the Statesman  :rolleyes:
Was the invite to the french dwarf & his aged bloke of a wife [think two bits of ryvita for a minge lots of lube needed  :scare:] to say thank you for sticking a french carrier & strike group close to Cyprus ?
Whilst Queer Starmer hid under the bed agonising about sending HMS Dragon trying to delay it as much as possible
At least until most of the danger had passed
Everyone knows that labour's focus is spending as much as poss on benefits & future voters = migrants
The armed forces dont be silly
John Healey [who looks like he's on his last legs, face bothered time to off you fuck] what a difficult position he's in resigning as Secretary of State for Defence [such a title for Labour is an oxymoron] for woefully unacceptable spending & targets now is Chancellor of The Exchequer

Britain is all but on its own when it comes to the Falklands best the Govt takes things seriously & soon

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Denmark’s plan to sell 24 of its F-16A/B fighters will provide Argentina with capable fourth-generation fighter aircraft, able to conduct a wide range of missions
IMO Britain make it crystal to Denmark that this is not the done thing, if they want support for Greenland not becoming part of the US

Negotiations are also ongoing for the purchase of three modern Scorpene diesel-electric attack submarines from France
The french cunts are it again
Exocet missiles & fighter jets prior to the Falklands war
Burnham should tell the french dwarf to cancel this

The argie PM looks like a combo of Ken Dodd & Benny Hill

The big way forward is drone technology especially long range gear
Get the Ukrainians over to the UK we help you & you help us
My goodness when you’re not being blatantly racist you do still talk shit.

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Despite the woeful state of our armed forces, the UK still holds a decisive overall military advantage over Argentina. An Argentine attempt to invade the Falklands again would almost certainly fail, with high risk of heavy Argentine losses and rapid British reinforcement and repulsion.

Argentina is significantly degraded since 1982 too. It barely has a navy or air force worth talking about. No carriers, no operational submarines, ageing destroyers/frigates/corvettes left over from ‘80s, some second hand F-16s are on the way from Denmark.

The Typhoon v F-16 matchup isn’t even close. 

This would end faster than the last time.

Uk spends all its defence money on scamkraine. If we were attacked. A bomb would hit. Couldnt get a ship to cryprus. Real reason we didnt bomb the evil islamic regime of iran, was no cash on defence.
Peoe hate trump, but UK needs america more then they need us. USA is the UK first line of defence.

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Uk spends all its defence money on scamkraine. If we were attacked. A bomb would hit. Couldnt get a ship to cryprus. Real reason we didnt bomb the evil islamic regime of iran, was no cash on defence.
Peoe hate trump, but UK needs america more then they need us. USA is the UK first line of defence.
Well we're well and truly fucked then as Trump can't be considered as a reliable ally any more  :thumbsdown:

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My goodness when you’re not being blatantly racist you do still talk shit.

Dont you mean xenophobic ?
The bed sheet argies are feckless cunts
The Belgrano was there for the taking disabled & listing exposing the underbelly of the ship opening up the ammo stores for a direct hit blow it out of the water

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I know. Thanks for confirming.

As Bigden says both sides are weaker overall but Argentina vastly more so and to such a level which makes it almost impossible to succeed. If they invaded their risk of failure is high and politically that would be disastrous for their regime. Much less so for ours. Consequently they are highly unlikely to attempt it for the foreseeable future.


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This is good. Government wont do anything. Up to vigilantes to take control of uk

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Reform are saying they will raise the tax threshold from £12570 to £15000 if they win the next GE.
Well i'm sure that's a vote winner for many people (so that's why they are saying it) however they previously said they would raise it to £20K before rolling back on that and saying something like "when it's possible to do so" as they realised the realities of financing it once they actually started to crunch some numbers

The tax free limit was frozen in 2021 by the Tories and has been extended to 2031 by Labour, i've always thought that raising the threshold is the best way to help out people at or near the bottom and IMO it should be raised ASAP especially as the state pension will be going over the limit by next April and they won't want to be seen to be taxing that (although I did hear about some work around to exempt the state pension)

But yet again we get all the BS about how they're going to fund it by making cost savings / efficiency improvements etc etc etc, all parties claim that and then seemingly fail to deliver just like all these Reform council were going to do it but once in power suddenly realised that there wasn't anything much they could cut  :dash:

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This is good. Government wont do anything. Up to vigilantes to take control of uk
So they're blocking roads in and out of Dover and stopping freight along with individuals going on / coming back from holiday, what a bunch of useless cunts, exactly how many small boats / migrants have they stopped  :unknown:
Exactly none  :hi:

Now if these wankers were to go over to France and appear on beaches to slash the small boats and stop them from sailing over and bringing migrants then i'd be applauding them but this is just such BS

Oh and I see the "leader" of this shambles is an associate of Tommy ten names, say no more  :rolleyes:

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Argentina 'can smell Burnham's weakness': Kemi Badenoch blasts PM after latest threat to 'recover' the Falklands
They certainly can & the smell is even stronger over here

If British Sovereignty isn't important to AB & Labour think about the black gold [& minerals] under the sea
Wait a minute Labour on their bollocks green agenda aren't interested in the north sea let alone an ocean in the southern hemisphere
Think about the £billions which will make migrant costs look like small beer

The Secretary of Defence briefly left the Labour Party as he opposed the decision to enter the Iraq war
Batting he'll have the Argies trembling when he tries to project Britains military position  :rolleyes:
Its not possible to make a worse appointment

What a country needs is a complete cunt like Hegseth as Defence Secretary who goes on the front foot don't fuck with us or you will pay dearly

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During a visit to Southampton Veterans Trust this morning, Mr Streeting said: “President [Javier] Milei poses no actual threat to the Falklands.
“We are capable of defending the Falkland Islands, and Argentina is not capable of taking them.


He's a clueless twat
No actual threat the Argie cunt PM has just made one a big one
There needs to be a show of force & reinforce the island like yesterday
Do symbolic stuff like fly in some battle tanks [bollox to the carbon footprint & cost flying them there]
The Falkands is an ideal ground for training bolster the troop presence
Properly secure the islands then drill baby really go for it
 

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The big difference between a Falklands conflict then and now was Reagan & Weinberger, supplying the UK with massive USA support in logistics equipment political and intelligence areas. Without of which it may have had a different conclusion.
As for today?

Send in the Duckworths of Downing Street  :lol:

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The potential breaches relate to strict rules around donations. It would appear there were discussions about methods to 'hide' certain donations to avoid breaching the rules, though in the end no actual donations took place using the discussed methods  :hi: For Political parties it seems the net effect is that 'avoidance' is illegal.

Thank you, but the point I've (clearly unsuccessfully) being trying to make is that nothing actually happened, and as frog face hater above rightly says, I'm sure if they'd successfully identified a means of skirting the regulations they'd probably have done so, but it appears they didn't, so nothing happened, so what's the media furore really about? Wrecking the conference maybe? And what will the police be able to investigate?

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The big difference between a Falklands conflict then and now was Reagan & Weinberger, supplying the UK with massive USA support in logistics equipment political and intelligence areas. Without of which it may have had a different conclusion.
As for today?

Send in the Duckworths of Downing Street  :lol:
There was a documentary a few years ago about how they managed to bomb the runway at Port Stanley and getting the quotes 1st hand made it a really good watch, this is a summary of Operation "Black Buck"

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As with a lot of things in a war environment it was a close run thing and almost didn't happen / could have gone so wrong, in the end they also got a bit lucky that 1 bomb took out the middle of the runway  :thumbsup: If it hadn't then things could have looked very different.

Vulcans being constantly refuelled by Victors and the Victors having to refuel other Victors, they were all using more fuel than predicted and returning really short, according to Google it usually took 10-15 minutes for a Victor to refuel a Vulcan.

In the documentary the Vulcan pilot said that the last Victor only refuelled them for a very short time (like a minute or two) before disconnecting as it needed to make sure it had enough fuel itself to get back home.
The Vulcan pilot was "Is that it  :scare:" and they basically thought there was no way they would do the bombing mission and return back so would either have to stop the mission or plan to ditch / bail out in the sea  :scare:

Obviously being of good stock and no doubt with the Dambusters theme tune in their heads they decided to press on and complete the mission then worry about getting home later, thankfully they did just make it back as even the search and rescue teams were having to head back home

Ah yes proper boys own stuff  ;)  :rolleyes:  :drinks: 

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Thank you, but the point I've (clearly unsuccessfully) being trying to make is that nothing actually happened, and as frog face hater above rightly says, I'm sure if they'd successfully identified a means of skirting the regulations they'd probably have done so, but it appears they didn't, so nothing happened, so what's the media furore really about? Wrecking the conference maybe? And what will the police be able to investigate?
No I think we all understand that nothing actually happened however in this instance it's the intent that matters / breaches the rules on donations.

So I could sit down with an accountant etc and discuss financial strategy about how to avoid paying tax, i'd no doubt get told to put £20K in an Isa and to max out my pension plus a few other work around / loopholes which are also perfectly legal.

There may then be discussion about some investment methods which aren't legal (It may have been brought up by myself or the accountant as part of a general discussion of options) however i'd expect the accountant to point out the illegality of these and that he couldn't / wouldn't be any part of it

In this instance there was a discussion about how to make party funding and both sides were clearly aware that what they were proposing was against the rules but seemingly happy to proceed.

It never actually happened as the story was broken however let's face it they would have happily gone ahead with it however according to Google -
Planning a crime can be illegal even if you never commit it, primarily through laws governing incomplete or preparatory acts known as inchoate offenses

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Dont you mean xenophobic ?
The bed sheet argies are feckless cunts
The Belgrano was there for the taking disabled & listing exposing the underbelly of the ship opening up the ammo stores for a direct hit blow it out of the water
Xenophobia is even fucking worse than racism and you’re proud of it.

What the fuck has the Belgrano got to do with anything?