The Politics Thread

[Massagemanmr]

Tommy is a legend tbh. He should be reforms ceo tbh not zia.
Tommy is doing what uk meps should have done, taking grooming gangs down

come on man even a dinosaur like you can see how much damage he is doing to the British national interest......

[Charliehutton]

16000 less asylum seekers in hotels this June 26 compared to June 25

No doubt a consequence of Burnham's policy of spreading them throughout affluent as well as poorer areas, so that women of all classes may feel the same concern about being the victims of rape or sexual assault.

[mills_and_bhuna]

Identity revealed: you must be the son of Malcolm Muggeridge.

He'd be very disappointed in me.
I LOVED The Life Of Brian

[mills_and_bhuna]

No doubt a consequence of Burnham's policy of spreading them throughout affluent as well as poorer areas, so that women of all classes may feel the same concern about being the victims of rape or sexual assault.

Christ.
And they call ME a conspiracy theorist 
Disclaimer : I think Burnham is a typical faux left twat

[webpunter]

No doubt a consequence of Burnham's policy of spreading them throughout affluent as well as poorer areas, so that women of all classes may feel the same concern about being the victims of rape or sexual assault.

Exactly 
Its Burnham's version of levelling up

It helps distribute future labour voters far & wide more even coverage
& spreads the effluent to the affluent

Rape & sexual assault are in migrant DNA
Its not specifically their fault - its the environment which they are brought up in - its the norm where they come from not even considered a crime
Hence the need for the leaflets well done AB 

One would hope that some would think this really isn't right but sadly this falls on deaf ears & into deaf brains
Its miso mislamic culture
They arrive & they get cracking doesnt take them long for some its nearly immediately 

Getting their cocks out to young white meat is a particular favourite past time
Its not an urban myth look on social media
What usually isn't reported is that fathers with daughters [who happen to be ex football hooligans now gentrified wealthy ish] wanna wind the clock back & show themselves that they're not that old
& you can guess the outcome when the flashers are tracked down
Oh dear

[webpunter]

Christ.
And they call ME a conspiracy theorist 
Disclaimer : I think Burnham is a typical faux left twat

FFS i'm beginning to quite like you even more 
How do i take you off ignore ?
You might even put me on ignore 

[Squire Haggard]

Exactly 
Its Burnham's version of levelling up

It helps distribute future labour voters far & wide more even coverage
& spreads the effluent to the affluent

He insists on everyone taking a bite of his shit sandwich.

[mills_and_bhuna]

FFS i'm beginning to quite like you even more 
How do i take you off ignore ?
You might even put me on ignore 

I'm confused.com........Our reactions to CH's post were diametrically opposite 

[webpunter]

I'm confused.com........Our reactions to CH's post were diametrically opposite 

This is why we weirdly kind of 'get on' tho it is a worry 
Your posts add a different & consistent perspective
We've had some battles in the past
Water under the brdige
Moved on so to write
Mostly
As an aside how is Camel or is it Kamel ?   

[RedKettle]

No doubt a consequence of Burnham's policy of spreading them throughout affluent as well as poorer areas, so that women of all classes may feel the same concern about being the victims of rape or sexual assault.

 Because having been in power for weeks he will have had an impact on the figures for the year ended June 26. Grow up.

[TallnHung]

16000 less asylum seekers in hotels this June 26 compared to June 25

A fifth less people seeking asylum than last year

Falls also in legal migration and small boat arrivals.

But as those facts do not support your agenda I assume you will ignore them.  More to do but the Government is starting to get a grip.

Don't confuse the hard of thinking with facts. 

[Followyourdick]

Don't confuse the hard of thinking with facts.

The hard of thinking also have everything now being Burnhams fault although he’s been PM for about 2 minutes.

[RandomGuy99]

He's at it again

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[Stevelondon]

He's at it again

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The longer he is in office. The more fascinating he becomes. I’m speaking personally of course.

He does these idiotic things that make no difference or change anything as far as the rest of the world is concerned. Only his supporters would think it makes some kind of sense. 😀

The man child’s response to Canada upsetting him is to rename a lake 😂

[Charliehutton]

Don't confuse the hard of thinking with facts.

If you think those bogus statistics are 'facts' you're in cloud cuckoo land.

[Charliehutton]

Because having been in power for weeks he will have had an impact on the figures for the year ended June 26. Grow up.

Of course he has an impact. If there are 16,000 fewer illegal immigrants in hotels, then they must be housed elsewhere, and Burnham has stated that he wants them spread far and wide. Given that the Home Office know these people are more likely to commit rape and sexual assault than anybody else, this seems a curious approach.

[bigden40]

Which is a good thing as the cost of HMO accommodation is significantly less to the taxpayer than hotels. Note however

"Reliance on hotels started to slowly decline from the end of 2023. Between 31 March 2023 and 31 March 2026, the number of asylum seekers requiring accommodation support fell by 13%, from 112,000 to 98,000, reflecting a reduction in the asylum backlog. Over the same period, the share of asylum seekers housed in hotels fell from 42% to 21%. This suggests that the decline in hotel use was driven both by lower overall demand for accommodation support and by a shift towards dispersal accommodation."

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Whilst true, both hotel and HMO accomodation assume a bias toward a need to long-term accommodate these asylum seekers.  This is not what the general public wants, hence the long-term tension between government and electorate.

[Blackpool Rock]

Of course he has an impact. If there are 16,000 fewer illegal immigrants in hotels, then they must be housed elsewhere, and Burnham has stated that he wants them spread far and wide. Given that the Home Office know these people are more likely to commit rape and sexual assault than anybody else, this seems a curious approach.

Bit of a rock and a hard place though isn't it (and one that I knew would happen) whereby there's outrage about asylum seekers being put in hotels and the cost of it but then when they're moved elsewhere there's outrage about them being put in houses.

I'm just pleased that the numbers are finally going down but as usual the masses and mass hysteria seem to think that a new Govt or new leader should mean that they suddenly wake up the morning after and there are now zero asylum seekers 

The problem was allowed to get out of hand under the Tories but Labour are actually doing something about it, does more need to be done, yes a lot more but you have to start somewhere and then ramp it up

[Blackpool Rock]

Meanwhile in other news the Greens (about as left wing as you can get on the ballot paper yet fuckwits being interviewed recently ahead of elections were saying they were going to vote either Green or Reform who are as right wing as we currently have    ) want to put a block albeit temporary on new data centres.

Clearly data centres are part of the way things are going and are a key part of the future so understandably these backward wankers want to stop it and hold our economy back 

I would agree that it makes sense to use brownfield sites and places which are close to where renewable energy is created, also if they are using so much water it's presumably being used to cool things down and then discharged to drain  Why don't these systems reuse the same water in a closed loop with some sort of reservoir to store it while it cools 

[RedKettle]

Of course he has an impact. If there are 16,000 fewer illegal immigrants in hotels, then they must be housed elsewhere, and Burnham has stated that he wants them spread far and wide. Given that the Home Office know these people are more likely to commit rape and sexual assault than anybody else, this seems a curious approach.

Not sure how to put this any clearer. The numbers I quoted are for the year ended 30 June 2026 which is before Burnham became PM.

It was the right who wanted them out of hotels, the same people who seem to now complain about that.

[RedKettle]

If you think those bogus statistics are 'facts' you're in cloud cuckoo land.

There is a theme here, statistics that disagree with your prejudice are false, any shitty headline that reinforces your view is gospel.

[DastardlyDick]

Not sure how to put this any clearer. The numbers I quoted are for the year ended 30 June 2026 which is before Burnham became PM.

It was the right who wanted them out of hotels, the same people who seem to now complain about that.

Putting Asylum seekers in old military bases makes sense to me - why pay Hotels to house them when you have already paid for the bases to be built? They also have security measures ready built in, should they be needed. The objections to bases being used is down to basic nimbyism, while those objecting hold their noses to adopt far right rhetoric for justification.

[Blackpool Rock]

Putting Asylum seekers in old military bases makes sense to me - why pay Hotels to house them when you have already paid for the bases to be built? They also have security measures ready built in, should they be needed. The objections to bases being used is down to basic nimbyism, while those objecting hold their noses to adopt far right rhetoric for justification.

Yes it does make sense but we've previously been told that it wasn't cost effective but now it suddenly is 

I also recall about 10 years ago they were going to house them in old military barracks but weren't allowed to as they weren't considered fit for human habitation, yet our military families had been using them a couple of years before 

Given that these people will have been sleeping rough on a beach in France and potentially doing similar for a couple of years through Europe and Africa / the ME to get there i'm not sure why they suddenly need much more than a tent to keep the rain off 

My point being that if they know it's going to be shit when they get here then it hopefully acts as a deterrant 

[DastardlyDick]

Yes it does make sense but we've previously been told that it wasn't cost effective but now it suddenly is 

I also recall about 10 years ago they were going to house them in old military barracks but weren't allowed to as they weren't considered fit for human habitation, yet our military families had been using them a couple of years before 

Given that these people will have been sleeping rough on a beach in France and potentially doing similar for a couple of years through Europe and Africa / the ME to get there i'm not sure why they suddenly need much more than a tent to keep the rain off 

My point being that if they know it's going to be shit when they get here then it hopefully acts as a deterrant 

We were given the "economically viable" guff by the Tories to justify giving their friends in hospitality large chunks of public money in exchange for donations. I doubt we'll ever get the true costings, public procurement contracts are well know for being grossly over inflated - quote for using the best products, then use the cheap equivelent and trouser the difference.
I'm not sure about the detterrence factor - even a basic barrack block must be better than the roadside in France - but compared to a hotel room or HMO then maybe it will put a few off. That'll take time too - word will have to get round that living conditions won't live up to expectations. Maybe the Government should engage in some negative publicity - send round photo's of what they will get 

[mills_and_bhuna]

As an aside how is Camel or is it Kamel ?   

No idea 

[mills_and_bhuna]

He's at it again

BBC News - Trump signs order to rename Lake Ontario as Lake America
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Canada should rename Lake Superior as Lake Epstein

[ulstersubbie]

He'd be very disappointed in me.
I LOVED The Life Of Brian

Nice one mills, Muggeridge was rather blinkered in his criticism of the film as pointed out to him by John Cleese and Michael Palin during that famous debate back in the day.

[Charliehutton]

The problem was allowed to get out of hand under the Tories but Labour are actually doing something about it, does more need to be done, yes a lot more but you have to start somewhere and then ramp it up

I agree the Tories let it get out of hand, but do you really detect a genuine political will from Labour to stop illegal immigration? Burnham's contention that we must all 'share the burden' seems like an admission of defeat.

[DastardlyDick]

Canada should rename Lake Superior as Lake Epstein

That is something I'd like to see 
All Trump can really do is tell US Federal Agencies like NOAA to change their regulations - the rest of the World can, and probably will, ignore him, although I see Google maps has both names, but of course that's owned by one of Trump's "tech bros", so they would try to placate him.

[RandomGuy99]

Canada should rename Lake Superior as Lake Epstein

Lake Dumbass Trump would be better.

[Charliehutton]

There is a theme here, statistics that disagree with your prejudice are false, any shitty headline that reinforces your view is gospel.

Ah, now that's a theme that applies not just to you and me, but to practically everybody, certainly those that contribute to this thread.

[TallnHung]

Are you simple? I get it you want to dismiss anything that goes against your narrative, I read your reply and cringed for you.

What part of "Citing numbers from the Ministry of Justice, Berlingske reports that non-Western immigrants, who make up 8.4% of the Danish population, commit 14% of the country’s crimes of aggravated violence and 24.3% of the rapes, judging by number of convicted" did you not understand? 

Oh Im so sorry, I understand now.  You dont trust official figures in the UK, but you do trust them from other countries. 
I wonder why that is?  One supports your view and the other doesnt perhaps? 
Please accept my utmost apologies mein Obergruppenführer, Tommy and his (white) rapist friends are legends just like the flag shaggers and their dodgy mates, Andrew Tate is misunderstood, Shitler isnt bent and Lowe isnt a full on fascist, my mistake!
Gullible moron.

[TallnHung]

He's at it again

BBC News - Trump signs order to rename Lake Ontario as Lake America
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Nurse, nurse he's escaped again

[webpunter]

Nurse, nurse he's escaped again

 

[TallnHung]

Of course he has an impact. If there are 16,000 fewer illegal immigrants in hotels, then they must be housed elsewhere, and Burnham has stated that he wants them spread far and wide. Given that the Home Office know these people are more likely to commit rape and sexual assault than anybody else, this seems a curious approach.

Tell us you dont understand downward trend by not saying you dont understand downward trend.  Yeah some have been moved but numbers coming in are down and those being processed and removed has increased too.
It was most likely started by Sunak but has continued subsequently.  Amazing what grown ups, starting with Sunak, can do after the clusterfuck of their predecessors.  Unlikely you'll give Sunak credit though Im sure as he's a bit too brown for your type.

I wonder if you have tried telling the Thai women you have reviewed how much you dislike immigrants?  Try doing it when your cock is on one of their mouths maybe

[TallnHung]

I agree the Tories let it get out of hand, but do you really detect a genuine political will from Labour to stop illegal immigration? Burnham's contention that we must all 'share the burden' seems like an admission of defeat.

Not all Tories, Sunak started the downward trend, though sorry he's a bit brown for you to acknowledge that

[TallnHung]

Canada should rename Lake Superior as Lake Epstein

And Lake Huron as Lake Moron!

[Jerboa]

Oh Im so sorry, I understand now.  You dont trust official figures in the UK, but you do trust them from other countries. 
I wonder why that is?  One supports your view and the other doesnt perhaps? 
Please accept my utmost apologies mein Obergruppenführer, Tommy and his (white) rapist friends are legends just like the flag shaggers and their dodgy mates, Andrew Tate is misunderstood, Shitler isnt bent and Lowe isnt a full on fascist, my mistake!
Gullible moron.

Where have I said I didn't trust official UK figures? The government refuses to release the data, the information commissioner told them to release the data, but they refused and are going to court to prevent the British public knowing the truth. If the data shows no higher proportion of foreign offenders committing sexual offences, then why not release the data and prove us wrong?

So then you go off on a diversionary tactic, because you can't refute the Danish governments own data, pretty embarrassing for you tbh. 

[Charliehutton]

I wonder if you have tried telling the Thai women you have reviewed how much you dislike immigrants?  Try doing it when your cock is on one of their mouths maybe

Even by your standards that's an especially stupid and unpleasant remark. My concern is the level of illegal immigration and the lack of any genuine political will by either Labour or the Tories to do anything to stop it.

[Charliehutton]

Not all Tories, Sunak started the downward trend, though sorry he's a bit brown for you to acknowledge that

It's people like you, casually bandying around unwarranted accusations and implications of racism, that led to the grooming gangs getting away with their crimes for so long.

[Punting2022]

Not all Tories, Sunak started the downward trend, though sorry he's a bit brown for you to acknowledge that

Sunak actually had the detterent. Warned people about tax rises under labour. Being brown is why he lost tbh

[Blackpool Rock]

I agree the Tories let it get out of hand, but do you really detect a genuine political will from Labour to stop illegal immigration? Burnham's contention that we must all 'share the burden' seems like an admission of defeat.

Yes I do think there is a genuine will from many in Labour to stop it, certainly those who still have clarity of thought who basically know the failure to deal with it is what's boosted Reforms support and lost them a lot of what was once considered their "core voters".

The problem with the Labour party however is that there are too many blinkered SJW types which is what did for Starmer voting against benefit reforms.

I recon the Tories now also take it seriously having been kicked out of power and with no realistic chance of getting back in on the horizon

[Blackpool Rock]

Sunak actually had the detterent. Warned people about tax rises under labour. Being brown is why he lost tbh

Please tell me you're not referring to Rwanda 

As for Labour tax rises can you please point out what tax rises they have implemented that go against their manifesto 

[Followyourdick]

He's at it again

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He’s nothing more than a fucking toddler.

[mills_and_bhuna]

Sunak actually had the detterent. Warned people about tax rises under labour. Being brown is why he lost tbh

Yeah.
That's why Sunak lost.
If only they had Truss. Or Jenrick. Or Bozo, sorry BoJo. Or Ian Duncan-Smith. 

[TallnHung]

It's people like you, casually bandying around unwarranted accusations and implications of racism, that led to the grooming gangs getting away with their crimes for so long.

Did my bad words hurt you snowflake.  Didums.

You may have missed the headline but no one is illegal until proven so.  It's how law works.  Still again I doubt you would bother to read that either.   

[TallnHung]

Even by your standards that's an especially stupid and unpleasant remark. My concern is the level of illegal immigration and the lack of any genuine political will by either Labour or the Tories to do anything to stop it.

You don't know my standards but I'll give you a hint.
Racists are scum.  Tommy 10 names is a massive twat, flag shaggers who think serving a country by hanging up Temu flags that end up looking like rags within days rather than actually respecting them are twats, Farage is a lying twat, Tate is a scumbag who is only now finding out after fucking about, like his brother and his cult he's a twat. Anyone who thinks skin colour or ethnicity is a measure of their worth is a twat.  If you're with them, likely you're a twat too and anyone hiding behind words like patriot and loving my country are usually lying twats and would run at the 1st sign of having to do any real service to the country.  Maybe they should try joining the military, the police, the fire service or just helping clean up the shitholes they live in rather than causing even more harm at the 1st sign of brown people.
Is that clear enough for you?

[RandomGuy99]

He’s nothing more than a fucking toddler.

He's talking about renaming an ocean next.

[bigden40]

This made me laugh: 

Milo Yiannopoulos has been arrested by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents in New Orleans, Louisiana and will soon be deported to the United Kingdom after overstaying his visa.

[Followyourdick]

You don't know my standards but I'll give you a hint.
Racists are scum.  Tommy 10 names is a massive twat, flag shaggers who think serving a country by hanging up Temu flags that end up looking like rags within days rather than actually respecting them are twats, Farage is a lying twat, Tate is a scumbag who is only now finding out after fucking about, like his brother and his cult he's a twat. Anyone who thinks skin colour or ethnicity is a measure of their worth is a twat.  If you're with them, likely you're a twat too and anyone hiding behind words like patriot and loving my country are usually lying twats and would run at the 1st sign of having to do any real service to the country.  Maybe they should try joining the military, the police, the fire service or just helping clean up the shitholes they live in rather than causing even more harm at the 1st sign of brown people.
Is that clear enough for you?

Come off the fence!