The Politics Thread

[Zimbaman]

But the illigalls are just coming for free ac hotels. Cash handouts. Causing crime. Rape cases up in bournemouth since they got free beachside hotels. They are not filling a skills shortage. Infact legal migration is falling. Mostly due to them not wanting to come to the uk. London has fallen to certain ethnic groups.

Taxes are rising service dropping all because of the invasion.

People need to stop blaming brexit. Take control vote reform. Im even deflecting to restore.

You are another one that doesn’t seem to understand the difference between asylum seekers (illegal…?) and legal immigration. Government policy has control over legal immigration, which is absolutely necessary for growth, and to balance the aging population.

Asylum seeker numbers are tiny by comparison. There is no invasion. London hasn’t fallen. Bounmouth feels completely safe. Living in a hotel is genuinely shit. Only a moron would think it’s a good thing. Asylum seekers don’t get massive handouts. You have totally fallen for Nigel’s propaganda. Let’s hope the idiot loses to count bin face and we can start getting our country back from these morons.

Taxes are rising because our country is servicing a massive amount of debt, there are too few people of working age compared to the numbers of pensioners , and our economy is far smaller that it would have been had Brexit not happened. Only a fool would think it’s because of an ‘invasion’

[Punting2022]

So we must stop the country from any attempt to succeed?

Burnham and labour are dragging it down.
Stupid net zero policies, tax rises on the way. Even property tax now. I read that they are scrapping stamp duty with a land tax.
If your young leave uk. Better oppertunities abroad.

[Zimbaman]

Burnham and labour are dragging it down.
Stupid net zero policies, tax rises on the way. Even property tax now. I read that they are scrapping stamp duty with a land tax.
If your young leave uk. Better oppertunities abroad.

Brexit made that 10 times harder 

[Punting2022]

You are another one that doesn’t seem to understand the difference between asylum seekers (illegal…?) and legal immigration. Government policy has control over legal immigration, which is absolutely necessary for growth, and to balance the aging population.

Asylum seeker numbers are tiny by comparison. There is no invasion. London hasn’t fallen. Bounmouth feels completely safe. Living in a hotel is genuinely shit. Only a moron would think it’s a good thing. Asylum seekers don’t get massive handouts. You have totally fallen for Nigel’s propaganda. Let’s hope the idiot loses to count bin face and we can start getting our country back from these morons 

London has fallen. Ever since we have more somalian immigrants. You cant even carry a phone in the street. Bournemouth has gone downhill. Run down. Feels unsafe. I was having lunch near the pier. Immigrants there. Staring and made a mess. Just left all thier rubbish. Just watch in a few years. You wilk feel the same. Atm people are to liberal. This is the downfall.

We dont need illigall to grow here. They dont work and clog up healthcare and education.
Legal yes is needed to fill a skills gap. But they need to work.
The hotels are ac ones. Yet vritish war vetrans who are homeless prob on the heated streets. Imagine serving your country and your on the streets. But some1 comes illigally. Get free neals and ac rooms

[Zimbaman]

London has fallen. Ever since we have more somalian immigrants. You cant even carry a phone in the street. Bournemouth has gone downhill. Run down. Feels unsafe. I was having lunch near the pier. Immigrants there. Staring and made a mess. Just left all thier rubbish. Just watch in a few years. You wilk feel the same. Atm people are to liberal. This is the downfall.

Maybe it’s all in your head  I’m often too n London. Not once have I felt I can’t have my phone out. And Bournemouth is a fine too. Again… I’m just down the coast and I’ve been there loads. It’s only reform voters that bang on about the uk not feeling safe. Maybe you are just a precious bunch 

[finn5555]

London has fallen. Ever since we have more somalian immigrants. You cant even carry a phone in the street. Bournemouth has gone downhill. Run down. Feels unsafe. I was having lunch near the pier. Immigrants there. Staring and made a mess. Just left all thier rubbish. Just watch in a few years. You wilk feel the same. Atm people are to liberal. This is the downfall.

We dont need illigall to grow here. They dont work and clog up healthcare and education.
Legal yes is needed to fill a skills gap. But they need to work.
The hotels are ac ones. Yet vritish war vetrans who are homeless prob on the heated streets. Imagine serving your country and your on the streets. But some1 comes illigally. Get free neals and ac rooms

Have you been drinking again 🥴🥴🥴

[whiskyfan]

We cant as the public let burnham suceed. Immigration will rise under him.
Went bournemouth week just gone. Such a lovely beach ruined by bad labour and torie policies. Didnt feel safe.

Did a foreign seagull steal your chips?

[mills_and_bhuna]

Did a foreign seagull steal your chips?

wrong colour.
Maybe a raven......

[Charliehutton]

You are confusing illegal with legal immigration 

Ah, so those 11,884 were legal migrants, then. Thanks for clearing that up.

[Zimbaman]

Ah, so those 11,884 were legal migrants, then. Thanks for clearing that up.

Why is this so confusing for you 

[Charliehutton]

Brexit made that 10 times harder 

Yes, and it's responsible for climate change, too.

[Zimbaman]

Yes, and it's responsible for climate change, too.

I’d sit down and have a cup of tea Charlie 

[scutty brown]

Anyone else think the Widdicombe murder is somewhat well timed for Farage & Co to gain sympathy before the by-election?

[Zimbaman]

Anyone else think the Widdicombe murder is somewhat well timed for Farage & Co to gain sympathy before the by-election?

Horrible to think that… but was discussing exactly this today

[Charliehutton]

Anyone else think the Widdicombe murder is somewhat well timed for Farage & Co to gain sympathy before the by-election?

Oh, FFS, Scutty. That's the kind of remark I might expect from some of the rabid gimlet-eyed lefties on here, but not from you.

[Charliehutton]

I’d sit down and have a cup of tea Charlie 

By the way, adding a  emoji to a feeble point doesn't confer upon it any greater credibility. Just to let you know

[Zimbaman]

By the way, adding a  emoji to a feeble point doesn't confer upon it any greater credibility. Just to let you know

I wasn’t making a point… other than highlighting that you didn’t seem to have a point… just so you know 

[Charliehutton]

I wasn’t making a point… other than highlighting that you didn’t seem to have a point… just so you know 

Dammit, we'll have to leave our highbrow debate here because the football's about to start. Have a good evening

[whiskyfan]

wrong colour.
Maybe a raven......

Well if it's from the Tower of London then he might be correct, the country is doomed.

[Vice Admiral]

Anyone else think the Widdicombe murder is somewhat well timed for Farage & Co to gain sympathy before the by-election?

For several minutes after I read Scutty's post I thought he was implying that Ann Widdecombe's murder might have been a "false flag" operation to bolster support for Reform UK (which would have been a truly shocking theory) – and it may be that Charlie had the same impression?

But of course all Scutty was doing – and politics, like life, moves on – was making the legitimate point that this awful event chimes in with Farage's claims about the state of Britain in general and his personal security in particular.

Following such an event, it is important that everyone behaves with the utmost tact and decency, and I thought that Farage's wreath-laying yesterday failed that test.  It smelt "performative".  All the cameras were carefully in position before he started his solemn walk.

The problem with going to lay a wreath at the scene of this particular murder is that it could easily look like a political act.  I think Farage would have done better to stay away.

[Blackpool Rock]

For several minutes after I read Scutty's post I thought he was implying that Ann Widdecombe's murder might have been a "false flag" operation to bolster support for Reform UK (which would have been a truly shocking theory) – and it may be that Charlie had the same impression?

But of course all Scutty was doing – and politics, like life, moves on – was making the legitimate point that this awful event chimes in with Farage's claims about the state of Britain in general and his personal security in particular.

Following such an event, it is important that everyone behaves with the utmost tact and decency, and I thought that Farage's wreath-laying yesterday failed that test.  It smelt "performative".  All the cameras were carefully in position before he started his solemn walk.

The problem with going to lay a wreath at the scene of this particular murder is that it could easily look like a political act.  I think Farage would have done better to stay away.

I'm not one to come out and bat for Farage but imagine if he hadn't have even bothered turning up 

The area is bristling with cameras so it was surely always going to look "scripted"

Anyway looks like the police have now arrested another suspect in South Yorkshire some 270 miles away

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[scutty brown]

For several minutes after I read Scutty's post I thought he was implying that Ann Widdecombe's murder might have been a "false flag" operation to bolster support for Reform UK (which would have been a truly shocking theory) – and it may be that Charlie had the same impression?

That's exactly what I was suggesting. Your initial thoughts were exactly what I meant. I just left it ambiguous to see how others reacted

[scutty brown]

I'm not one to come out and bat for Farage but imagine if he hadn't have even bothered turning up 

The area is bristling with cameras so it was surely always going to look "scripted"

Anyway looks like the police have now arrested another suspect in South Yorkshire some 270 miles away

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And that stunt by Farage does make it look scripted and pre-planned, just as you'd expect if my suggestion is correct

[Vice Admiral]

I'm not one to come out and bat for Farage but imagine if he hadn't have even bothered turning up

There was no need for Farage to "turn up", no need for an on-location appearance.  It simply wasn't required.  It was the equivalent of TV news anchors pointlessly presenting news programmes from the sites of disasters. 

It would have been much more appropriate for him to have paid his dignified tribute(s) to Ann Widdecombe on the steps of his house, or at a neutral location.  His going to the scene of the crime felt all wrong.

And I write this as someone who has often given credit to Farage for being one of the most adroit political operators of our era. 

[Blackpool Rock]

There was no need for Farage to "turn up", no need for an on-location appearance.  It simply wasn't required.  It was the equivalent of TV news anchors pointlessly presenting news programmes from the sites of disasters. 

It would have been much more appropriate for him to have paid his dignified tribute(s) to Ann Widdecombe on the steps of his house, or at a neutral location.  His going to the scene of the crime felt all wrong.

And I write this as someone who has often given credit to Farage for being one of the most adroit political operators of our era.

I couldn't disagree with you more, IMO he didn't have a choice whether or not to turn up as the optics of him not showing his face would have been a PR disaster

[Blackpool Rock]

And that stunt by Farage does make it look scripted and pre-planned, just as you'd expect if my suggestion is correct

So are you actually implying the possibility that Farage / someone has had her bumped off so that Farage can point and say "I told you so" regarding his own security 

[scutty brown]

So are you actually implying the possibility that Farage / someone has had her bumped off so that Farage can point and say "I told you so" regarding his own security 

Not so much his own security, but more a confirmation that society has broken down in this country to a point where  no right-wing politician is safe. And you know who he'll try to blame...

[Jerboa]

Senator Graham has died suddenly, after a trip to meet the little comedian in Kiev. External Link/Members Only

[Vice Admiral]

1.45 pm, Saturday (source: Guardian)

The force’s assistant chief constable, Matt Longman, said: “We will release further information when we are able to do so. In the meantime, I would ask people not to speculate about what might have happened, particularly on social media.

“This is not only potentially harmful to our investigation but also deeply distressing for family and friends of Miss Widdecombe. The family have also asked for their privacy to be respected as they come to terms with what has happened.”
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5.24 pm, Saturday (source: Times)

Nigel Farage said he believed that the attack on Ann Widdecombe was "premeditated".

Speaking to journalists during a visit to the former MP's home, he said: "It could be an individual with a grudge. It could be somebody with serious problems.

"But what is certain to me is that you don't arrive in the middle of a little country [lane] on the edge of Dartmoor, park on a drive and go into a house just before half-past 12 in the middle of the day without the motive being there from the very start.

"I just personally think the idea of a burglary … It just makes no sense to me at all. No sense to me at all."
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12.52 pm, Sunday (source: Vice Admiral)

Utterly disgraceful and irresponsible.  Words fail me.  (Almost.)

[mills_and_bhuna]

Senator Graham has died suddenly, after a trip to meet the little comedian in Kiev. External Link/Members Only

No great loss to humanity.
One of the worst people in Congress and believe me that is some achievement.

[Charliehutton]

After last nights football, Keir Starmer apparently 'tagged' - whatever that means - the Norwegian Prime Minister with a message that said 'your boys took a hell of a beating'.

Which is a splendid joke. Could we have misjudged him, do you think? Perhaps he's sharp, witty, funny and charming, and those facets to him just passed us by...

[Squire Haggard]

After last nights football, Keir Starmer apparently 'tagged' - whatever that means - the Norwegian Prime Minister with a message that said 'your boys took a hell of a beating'.

Which is a splendid joke. Could we have misjudged him, do you think? Perhaps he's sharp, witty, funny and charming, and those facets to him just passed us by...

He's sharp, witty, funny and charming. The problem is this only shows once every 20 years or so.

[WASA38]

After last nights football, Keir Starmer apparently 'tagged' - whatever that means - the Norwegian Prime Minister with a message that said 'your boys took a hell of a beating'.

Which is a splendid joke. Could we have misjudged him, do you think? Perhaps he's sharp, witty, funny and charming, and those facets to him just passed us by...

The full context according to AI :

 UK Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer did tell the Norwegian Prime Minister, Jonas Gahr Støre, "your boys took one hell of a beating" on social media.He posted the message on X (formerly Twitter) following England's 2–1 extra-time victory over Norway in the 2026 World Cup quarter-finals.

Context Behind the BanterThe Post: Following Jude Bellingham's two-goal performance to secure England's spot in the semi-finals, Starmer tagged Støre on X and wrote: "Norway 1 – 2 Jude Bellingham. @JonasGahrStore, your boys took one hell of beating.

"The Historical Setup: The comment was a friendly callback to a meeting between the two leaders days earlier at a NATO summit. Ahead of the match, Støre had playfully teased Starmer by wearing a Norway football shirt and reminding him of Norway's famous 1981 upset against England.

The Original Quote: During that 1981 match, iconic Norwegian radio commentator Bjørge Lillelien famously yelled, "Maggie Thatcher, can you hear me? Your boys took a hell of a beating!"

Starmer used the exact historical phrase to playfully get revenge after England knocked Norway out of the tournament.

[cunningman]

London has fallen. Ever since we have more somalian immigrants. You cant even carry a phone in the street. Bournemouth has gone downhill. Run down. Feels unsafe. I was having lunch near the pier. Immigrants there. Staring and made a mess. Just left all thier rubbish. Just watch in a few years. You wilk feel the same. Atm people are to liberal. This is the downfall.

You are a sick individual and I suggest that you get some help.  There has always been some deprivation, there was never a golden age where everyone looked like the shiny ads from the 50s and 60s.  We have problems, for sure, but I don't think they are created by immigration.  Understand that aging population and falling birthrates and the ponzi schemes we call 'public sector pensions' (and others) means that we need to grow the population or massively increase productivity.

I spent a lifetime voting for lower taxes and privatisation to 'improve efficiency and productivity'.  Where is it?  I think there's a song about that - by The Who.

If you won't take it from me, take it from someone that could be posted on a 'We Wish' topic, and has a lovely presentation.  Your world is so different to the one I live in, somehow.

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[Jerboa]

You are a sick individual and I suggest that you get some help.  There has always been some deprivation, there was never a golden age where everyone looked like the shiny ads from the 50s and 60s.  We have problems, for sure, but I don't think they are created by immigration.  Understand that aging population and falling birthrates and the ponzi schemes we call 'public sector pensions' (and others) means that we need to grow the population or massively increase productivity.

I spent a lifetime voting for lower taxes and privatisation to 'improve efficiency and productivity'.  Where is it?  I think there's a song about that - by The Who.

If you won't take it from me, take it from someone that could be posted on a 'We Wish' topic, and has a lovely presentation.  Your world is so different to the one I live in, somehow.

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I wouldn't suggest it's only Somalis, however you are in a bubble if you don't think there is a correlation. Look at what happened to the knife crime in London, after Somali & Congolese gangs raised the violence bar, the other gangs had to match this violence. Why do we even have Congolese or Somali migrants?

Available demographic data indicates a high reliance on state support. The 2021 Census for England and Wales revealed that 72% of the Somali population lived in taxpayer subsidised social housing, compared to roughly 16% of the general population. Additionally, UK Parliament and academic studies indicate that Somalis have higher rates of economic inactivity and lower employment rates

[DastardlyDick]

Anyone else think the Widdicombe murder is somewhat well timed for Farage & Co to gain sympathy before the by-election?

Jesus! I've heard some weird conspiracy there's in my time, but that one's up there with the fake moon landings

[Vice Admiral]

5.24 pm, Saturday (source: Times)

Nigel Farage said he believed that the attack on Ann Widdecombe was "premeditated".

Speaking to journalists during a visit to the former MP's home, he said: "It could be an individual with a grudge. It could be somebody with serious problems.

"But what is certain to me is that you don't arrive in the middle of a little country [lane] on the edge of Dartmoor, park on a drive and go into a house just before half-past 12 in the middle of the day without the motive being there from the very start.

"I just personally think the idea of a burglary … It just makes no sense to me at all. No sense to me at all."

Although I still think that Farage shouldn't have opined in this way, it has to be admitted that his analysis seems to accord closely with the facts as they are now known:
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It's all quite extraordinary.  What kind of grievance did this "loner who drove a filthy, moss-covered Vauxhall Corsa" have against Widdecombe, a grievance that apparently led him to drive 270 miles for the sole purpose of killing her?  It doesn’t appear to be a burglary gone wrong.  Also, the suspect "can't be named for legal reasons".  Doesn't that usually imply that there's a connection of some kind with the victim?

(Oh dear.  Am I now myself speculating inappropriately?  Probably not, to be fair, since the suspect has now been arrested.)

[Jerboa]

The death of Senator Lindsey Graham is bringing up some questions, the timeline doesn't make sense, some believe he died in Ukraine.

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UPDATE: The Lindsey Graham Timeline Does Not Work… He Died in Kyiv

Let’s follow the timeline. According to the official story: 911 call from his DC residence at 8:30pm ET on July 11 for suspected cardiac arrest. He “died at home.”

This is total bullshit!

So let’s go thru the timeline. Lindsey departed Dulles International Airport at around 0700 local on July 9 — the flight from Dulles to Warsaw is 9 hours. He took the overnight train that departed Warsaw at 18:15 hours local on July 9th and arrived in Kyiv between 09:45–10:45 local on July 10th.

So Lindsey Graham arrives in Kyiv by 11 am Friday morning. He meets with Zelensky and tours a drone factory. Then we are asked to believe that he returns to Washington, DC after spending less than 24 hours on the ground. Again, I call bullshit!!

The earliest train back to Warsaw departs Kyiv-Pasazhyrskyi at 07:40–08:00 on the 11th and arrives Przemyśl Główny in the afternoon (~17:00–18:00). That is at least nine hours. That would make it roughly 1100 hours in Washington, DC. Let’s assume he has an hour to get to the airport and the plane takes off at 1900 hours local from Poland, which is 1200 hours in Washington. The flight going west takes 10 hours… This means the earliest the plane could have landed at Dulles is 2200 hours on the 11th. That is 2 ½ hours after Graham reportedly died at home.

I emphasize that the normal travel to Kyiv by members of Congress, members of NATO and the EU, and even Joe Biden is to take a plane to Poland and then hop a train to Kyiv. It is, normally, at least a 20 hour trip. In order for Senator Graham to have arrived at home by 2000 hours local in Washington, DC, he would have had to depart from Kyiv at 0700 hours local Ukraine. I have been unable to find any schedule that shows a train departing Kyiv at that hour.

[scutty brown]

(Oh dear.  Am I now myself speculating inappropriately?  Probably not, to be fair, since the suspect has now been arrested.)

Police will be trying to suppress details and speculation prior to the election, irrespective of any arrest

[scutty brown]

The death of Senator Lindsey Graham is bringing up some questions, the timeline doesn't make sense, some believe he died in Ukraine.

From Larry Johnson's substack; External Link/Members Only

UPDATE: The Lindsey Graham Timeline Does Not Work… He Died in Kyiv

Let’s follow the timeline. According to the official story: 911 call from his DC residence at 8:30pm ET on July 11 for suspected cardiac arrest. He “died at home.”

This is total bullshit!

So let’s go thru the timeline. Lindsey departed Dulles International Airport at around 0700 local on July 9 — the flight from Dulles to Warsaw is 9 hours. He took the overnight train that departed Warsaw at 18:15 hours local on July 9th and arrived in Kyiv between 09:45–10:45 local on July 10th.

So Lindsey Graham arrives in Kyiv by 11 am Friday morning. He meets with Zelensky and tours a drone factory. Then we are asked to believe that he returns to Washington, DC after spending less than 24 hours on the ground. Again, I call bullshit!!

The earliest train back to Warsaw departs Kyiv-Pasazhyrskyi at 07:40–08:00 on the 11th and arrives Przemyśl Główny in the afternoon (~17:00–18:00). That is at least nine hours. That would make it roughly 1100 hours in Washington, DC. Let’s assume he has an hour to get to the airport and the plane takes off at 1900 hours local from Poland, which is 1200 hours in Washington. The flight going west takes 10 hours… This means the earliest the plane could have landed at Dulles is 2200 hours on the 11th. That is 2 ½ hours after Graham reportedly died at home.

I emphasize that the normal travel to Kyiv by members of Congress, members of NATO and the EU, and even Joe Biden is to take a plane to Poland and then hop a train to Kyiv. It is, normally, at least a 20 hour trip. In order for Senator Graham to have arrived at home by 2000 hours local in Washington, DC, he would have had to depart from Kyiv at 0700 hours local Ukraine. I have been unable to find any schedule that shows a train departing Kyiv at that hour.

The first report I saw said he'd died on the plane and that the FBI were involved. I've not seen anything similar since.
My assumption is that he's another victim of Russian poisoning but the USA wants to keep it quiet.

[Vice Admiral]

There was no need for Farage to "turn up", no need for an on-location appearance.  It simply wasn't required.  It was the equivalent of TV news anchors pointlessly presenting news programmes from the sites of disasters. 

It would have been much more appropriate for him to have paid his dignified tribute(s) to Ann Widdecombe on the steps of his house, or at a neutral location.  His going to the scene of the crime felt all wrong.

Widdecombe’s relations appear to agree.  Accord to today’s Times, ‘The Mail on Sunday reported that a “highly placed source” had told the paper Widdecombe’s family “don’t want her death hijacked for political purposes”, and were “very uneasy” about Farage attending the scene of the investigation.’

Although I still think that Farage shouldn't have opined in this way, it has to be admitted that his analysis seems to accord closely with the facts as they are now known:
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It's all quite extraordinary.  What kind of grievance did this "loner who drove a filthy, moss-covered Vauxhall Corsa" have against Widdecombe, a grievance that apparently led him to drive 270 miles for the sole purpose of killing her?  It doesn’t appear to be a burglary gone wrong.  Also, the suspect "can't be named for legal reasons".  Doesn't that usually imply that there's a connection of some kind with the victim?

Oh dear.  Counter terrorism police are now leading the investigation into Ann Widdecombe's murder:
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The last thing this terrible event needs is terrorism implications.  Better by far that the murderer turns out to have been motivated by mad obsessive irrationality of some kind.

[mh]

Never mind Lindsey Graham, it is widely thought that Senator Mitch McConnell is actually dead, despite the supposed proof of life photo circulated after 3 weeks of silence. Looks like a soviet-era style propping up a dead body, in this case to stop an early special election.

[Jerboa]

The first report I saw said he'd died on the plane and that the FBI were involved. I've not seen anything similar since.
My assumption is that he's another victim of Russian poisoning but the USA wants to keep it quiet.

The drone factory Graham visited Saturday was apparently hit by Russia Saturday night, also it was reported a hotel containing NATO personnel was hit, was Graham there? Remember Kiev is 7+ ahead of Washington, when he was reported dead 20:30 EST that would be 03:30 Ukraine time. How did Graham return so swiftly from Ukraine? Why would he spend such a short trip? It was the weekend, no need to be back in DC until Monday.

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[Jerboa]

Widdecombe’s relations appear to agree.  Accord to today’s Times, ‘The Mail on Sunday reported that a “highly placed source” had told the paper Widdecombe’s family “don’t want her death hijacked for political purposes”, and were “very uneasy” about Farage attending the scene of the investigation.’

Oh dear.  Counter terrorism police are now leading the investigation into Ann Widdecombe's murder:
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The last thing this terrible event needs is terrorism implications.  Better by far that the murderer turns out to have been motivated by mad obsessive irrationality of some kind.

The story that a burglar travelled 300 miles to rob a house just didn't add up, if he was a local scrote maybe, could he be a far left pro trans lunatic?

[RedKettle]

The story that a burglar travelled 300 miles to rob a house just didn't add up, if he was a local scrote maybe, could he be a far left pro trans lunatic?

And there is one sentence is why the police ask people not to speculate! 

[Jerboa]

And there is one sentence is why the police ask people not to speculate!

I can ask to win the lottery, not happening though. 

[RedKettle]

The drone factory Graham visited Saturday was apparently hit by Russia Saturday night, also it was reported a hotel containing NATO personnel was hit, was Graham there? Remember Kiev is 7+ ahead of Washington, when he was reported dead 20:30 EST that would be 03:30 Ukraine time. How did Graham return so swiftly from Ukraine? Why would he spend such a short trip? It was the weekend, no need to be back in DC until Monday.

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Well if the place I visited and a hotel were bombed I would get out of there pretty quickly.  Also if i was feeling ill, with what turned out to be a fatal illness, I would probably want to get home.

[RedKettle]

I can ask to win the lottery, not happening though. 

Yep, they rely on people's integrity so yes a lost cause with Farage and yourself.

[Jerboa]

Well if the place I visited and a hotel were bombed I would get out of there pretty quickly.  Also if i was feeling ill, with what turned out to be a fatal illness, I would probably want to get home.

Look at the timeline, you can't just fly directly from Kiev to Washington, if the Russian attack was Saturday night, how did Graham get back from Kiev, the Millennium Falcon?

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[Jerboa]

Yep, they rely on people's integrity so yes a lost cause with Farage and yourself.

Oh yes I forgot, you're so much more righteous.