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The jungle drums are saying Ed Balls is due for a return to cabinet in some guise or other, every circus needs a song & dance man I suppose.

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Tomorrow Sir Keir Starmer will have been Prime Minister for two years.

That’s more than Anthony Eden and Rishi Sunak – and, among others, the Earl of Wilmington, the Marquess of Rockingham, the Earl of Rosebery, the Duke of Grafton, the Earl of Bute, the Earl of Shelburne and Viscount Goderich.

Hurrah.

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Tomorrow Sir Keir Starmer will have been Prime Minister for two years.

That’s more than Anthony Eden and Rishi Sunak – and, among others, the Earl of Wilmington, the Marquess of Rockingham, the Earl of Rosebery, the Duke of Grafton, the Earl of Bute, the Earl of Shelburne and Viscount Goderich.

Hurrah.

Certainly more that Liz the lettuce  :lol:

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The jungle drums are saying Ed Balls is due for a return to cabinet in some guise or other, every circus needs a song & dance man I suppose.

This was mentioned in passing in today's Times.

I suppose he'd have to go to the House of Lords.  Baron Balls of Castleford (where he has a home) has a certain ring to it.  In the film version, he'd be played by Brian Blessed.

But it seems to me rather odd thinking.  As is pointed out elsewhere in today's paper, the usurper Burnham already doesn't have enough cabinet seats to keep everyone happy – the "everyone" comprising (a) current big beasts who would resent being relegated to the back benches; (b) Burnham loyalists who will want to be rewarded; and (c) junior ministers or the odd bright young spark or and sparkette from the 2024 intake who might freshen up the cabinet table.

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On Wednesday night's edition of The Wrap on Sky News, Adam Boulton, the doyen of political commentators, said that there were informed murmurings to the effect that Nigel Farage was thinking of stepping down as leader of Reform UK.  Why?  Because he's fed up with being criticised over his financial affairs; because he may have health problems; and because he was disheartened by Reform's poor performance in the Makerfield by-election.

To these I would add that he must now know that Reform will not get an overall majority in the 2029 General Election – in which case he may not have the stomach for trying to run a minority or (very unsatisfactory) coalition government.

Perhaps he's also realistic enough to know that he would never be able to achieve the things he claims he would be able to.  Better, perhaps, to be a "might-have-been" than a "has-been"?

If he does go, it will be interesting.

Would Reform indeed turn out to have been little more than a one-man band?

And who would be the new leader?  I imagine it would be between Richard Tice (who I think always comes across quite well) or the slimy turncoat Robert Jenrick.

Fraser Nelson develops this theme in today's Times, in an opinion piece under the title, "Is Farage becoming a liability for Reform?".

Here's an extract:

Without him, Reform would not collapse. When I made my Channel 4 film about Reform last year, we ran an opinion poll about post-Farage support. It would still be very strong. Reform is, still, a force for hope for millions who view the established parties with contempt. So his departure would not be an extinction-level event for Reform; it might even be a chance for renewal.

A recent survey of party supporters suggests the race would be between Zia Yusuf, its policy chief, and Richard Tice, its deputy leader. Robert Jenrick, who defected from the Tories, is mistrusted by Reform members (and seemingly reviled by Yusuf). A contest would pose a directional dilemma: does Reform continue to keep its recent theme of racial politics, saying that the white man is discriminated against and talking about banning the Muslim burka and the Sikh kirpan? Or should it tilt to the centre to stand the best chance of governing?


Interesting.

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This thread has gone unusually quiet!

Except for me...

As regular readers may have noted, I am somewhat ambivalent about our soon-to-be Prime Minister.  Phrases such as "the upstart Burnham" and "the usurper Burnham" are suggestive of this.

But I must, within reason, give him the benefit of the doubt.  He hasn't done anything yet.

In two important respects, however, things have already "gone wrong".

First, as I have already opined, the "No. 1 of the North" is a silly, wasteful, pointless, time-consuming gimmick.

Second, Burnham has made it clear that he will retain the triple lock on pensions.  That is weak, cowardly and wrong.  There is not an economist in the land who argues anything other than that the two things that, if unchanged, will in due course bankrupt the United Kingdom are the triple lock and the ballooning benefits bill.

In simple terms, today's pensioners are being bribed at the expense of the next generation, who will find themselves living on bread and dripping.

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Because in reality Ukraine is not doing well, the narrative and reality are two different things, yes Ukraine hitting oil tankers and fuel storage in Crimea has caused a shortage, and fuel is being rationed, but this is not game changing, hitting cities and oil storage tanks with drones made in Europe won't give victory. If Ukraine is doing so well, why are EU countries starting to remove refugee status for Ukrainian men? They want them to go back to fight, are the AFU running out of manpower?

Notice the BBC the other day finally mentioned Kostyantynivka, they have taken around 90% of the town already, it is one of the main fortress belt cities defending the conurbation of Kramatorsk & Slaviansk. To the NE Russia has taken most of the town of Lyman, this has been held by Ukraine since autumn of 2022, and has protected Slaviansk, if Russia can put artillery on the high ground there it's a short distance to Slaviansk.

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Note the BBC propaganda site has no mention of Russia's claim of taking Kostyantynivka, Sly news also nothing, they report on Ukraine drone attack on St Petersburg, their article shows a screenshot of Putin at a recent video, this is the video where Putin announced the liberation of Kostyantynivka, but Sly fail to tell their readers this fact, that is called lying by omission. External Link/Members Only

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Note the BBC propaganda site has no mention of Russia's claim of taking Kostyantynivka, Sly news also nothing, they report on Ukraine drone attack on St Petersburg, their article shows a screenshot of Putin at a recent video, this is the video where Putin announced the liberation of Kostyantynivka, but Sly fail to tell their readers this fact, that is called lying by omission. External Link/Members Only

A simple AI query gives the answer you are to brainwashed by Russian propaganda to acknowledges. The simple answer is the bbc has not reported it as it has not been confirmed. Here is the explanation:

The short answer is: it is not currently possible to say with confidence that Russia has taken Kostyantynivka. At the moment there are two directly contradictory claims:

* Russia says it has captured the city completely.
* Ukraine says the city remains under Ukrainian control and that Russian forces have not taken it. 

This is a common feature of the war. Both sides make battlefield claims that can take days or even weeks to verify independently.

Why is there conflicting reporting?

The Russian Ministry of Defence announced on 3 July that its forces had captured Kostyantynivka, and President Putin publicly repeated the claim. 

However, the following day:

* President Volodymyr Zelenskyy called the claim false.
* Ukraine’s General Staff said its troops were still defending positions within and around the city. 

Neither claim has yet been independently verified.

Why isn’t the BBC reporting it?

The BBC is generally quite cautious about reporting territorial gains until they can be independently verified.

The BBC has a long-standing editorial policy for the Ukraine war that generally requires one or more of:

* satellite imagery,
* geolocated videos,
* confirmation from multiple independent analysts,
* or evidence that fighting has ceased and administration has changed.

If those standards have not yet been met, they will often report something as:

“Russia claims…” or “Ukraine denies…”

rather than stating that the city has fallen.

This isn’t unique to the BBC. Reuters has done exactly the same, reporting both Russia’s claim and Ukraine’s denial without concluding who is correct. 

Why have Indian media reported it?

Many Indian outlets rely heavily on international wire services, Russian statements, Ukrainian statements, or both.

Some outlets simply report:

“Russia says it has captured…”

without waiting for independent confirmation.

Others present the Russian announcement as a headline because it is newsworthy even though the underlying claim remains disputed.

That doesn’t necessarily mean the reporting is propaganda—it depends on whether they clearly distinguish between:

* Russia claims…
* and
* Russia has captured…

Those are very different statements.

What do independent analysts think?

Independent organisations that map the front line have generally been more cautious.

Most have previously assessed that Russia had made substantial advances into the city but had not yet demonstrated complete control. Some have suggested the Russian announcement may have been premature or politically timed. 

Could Russia actually have taken it?

Yes.

The city has been under enormous pressure for months, and Russia has been advancing steadily in that sector. Military analysts have long regarded Kostyantynivka as one of the key objectives on the Donetsk front. Its eventual capture has been considered possible if current trends continued. 

But at this moment there is insufficient independently verified evidence to state confidently that it has already happened.

My assessment

Based on the information available today:

* Russia’s claim is plausible, given the recent military situation.
* Ukraine’s denial is also plausible, especially if it still holds parts of the city or nearby defensive positions.
* The most accurate description is that the status of Kostyantynivka remains contested, pending independent verification.

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I see Farage may be even further in the shit over his undeclared income, this time from a convicted criminal
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A simple AI query gives the answer you are to brainwashed by Russian propaganda to acknowledges. The simple answer is the bbc has not reported it as it has not been confirmed. Here is the explanation:

The short answer is: it is not currently possible to say with confidence that Russia has taken Kostyantynivka. At the moment there are two directly contradictory claims:

* Russia says it has captured the city completely.
* Ukraine says the city remains under Ukrainian control and that Russian forces have not taken it. 

This is a common feature of the war. Both sides make battlefield claims that can take days or even weeks to verify independently.

Why is there conflicting reporting?

The Russian Ministry of Defence announced on 3 July that its forces had captured Kostyantynivka, and President Putin publicly repeated the claim. 

However, the following day:

* President Volodymyr Zelenskyy called the claim false.
* Ukraine’s General Staff said its troops were still defending positions within and around the city. 

Neither claim has yet been independently verified.

Why isn’t the BBC reporting it?

The BBC is generally quite cautious about reporting territorial gains until they can be independently verified.

The BBC has a long-standing editorial policy for the Ukraine war that generally requires one or more of:

* satellite imagery,
* geolocated videos,
* confirmation from multiple independent analysts,
* or evidence that fighting has ceased and administration has changed.

If those standards have not yet been met, they will often report something as:

“Russia claims…” or “Ukraine denies…”

rather than stating that the city has fallen.

This isn’t unique to the BBC. Reuters has done exactly the same, reporting both Russia’s claim and Ukraine’s denial without concluding who is correct. 

Why have Indian media reported it?

Many Indian outlets rely heavily on international wire services, Russian statements, Ukrainian statements, or both.

Some outlets simply report:

“Russia says it has captured…”

without waiting for independent confirmation.

Others present the Russian announcement as a headline because it is newsworthy even though the underlying claim remains disputed.

That doesn’t necessarily mean the reporting is propaganda—it depends on whether they clearly distinguish between:

* Russia claims…
* and
* Russia has captured…

Those are very different statements.

What do independent analysts think?

Independent organisations that map the front line have generally been more cautious.

Most have previously assessed that Russia had made substantial advances into the city but had not yet demonstrated complete control. Some have suggested the Russian announcement may have been premature or politically timed. 

Could Russia actually have taken it?

Yes.

The city has been under enormous pressure for months, and Russia has been advancing steadily in that sector. Military analysts have long regarded Kostyantynivka as one of the key objectives on the Donetsk front. Its eventual capture has been considered possible if current trends continued. 

But at this moment there is insufficient independently verified evidence to state confidently that it has already happened.

My assessment

Based on the information available today:

* Russia’s claim is plausible, given the recent military situation.
* Ukraine’s denial is also plausible, especially if it still holds parts of the city or nearby defensive positions.
* The most accurate description is that the status of Kostyantynivka remains contested, pending independent verification.

Reuters has reported it, but caveats it as Russia claims, there is no reason western media not to report the claim, Ukraine always denies when Russia claims another town, they ignored the loss of Pokrovsk for months, until it was impossible to ignore. In reality Russia is not one to make false claims about taking towns, if anything they wait until they have neutralised any remaining pockets. There is geo located flags all over the city, including going out toward the next town of Oleksijevo-Druzhkivka, watch the military summary External Link/Members Only

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The bbc are not reporting unconfirmed claims. That doesn’t make it propaganda. Its sensible  :hi:

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In reality Russia is not one to make false claims about taking towns, if anything they wait until they have neutralised any remaining pockets. 
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The bbc are not reporting unconfirmed claims. That doesn’t make it propaganda. Its sensible  :hi:

As I said, they can report it as Russia claims, the silence is clear, when it's Ukraine claiming something western media trip over themselves to report.

:lol:

What's funny? If my statement is incorrect, show me a example where the Russian MoD has lied about taking a town.

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Yeah sure. Every rumour from Ukraine is reported  :wacko:  You need to give your head a wobble  :unknown:

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Yeah sure. Every rumour from Ukraine is reported  :wacko:  You need to give your head a wobble  :unknown:

90% of the time, nearly everything the Ukrainian MoD publishes is copy & pasted by UK MoD and western media, and taken as fact by European politicians.

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What's funny? If my statement is incorrect, show me a example where the Russian MoD has lied about taking a town.
I'm not going to waste time digging through Russian reports of taking towns.

Tass spouts total crap about the war. Why should any of the other Kremlin outlets be different?

Here, they repeatedly dont mention the fact that the Moskva was hit by two Neptune missiles. They say it was ''detonation of ammunition', over and over, forgetting to say that it was Ukrainian ammunition.

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I'm not going to waste time digging through Russian reports of taking towns.

Tass spouts total crap about the war. Why should any of the other Kremlin outlets be different?

Here, they repeatedly dont mention the fact that the Moskva was hit by two Neptune missiles. They say it was ''detonation of ammunition', over and over, forgetting to say that it was Ukrainian ammunition.

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Not disclosing information on loses is not unusual for a military in war, my question was where has Russian MoD ever lied about the conquest of a town? They don't for the reason that they would look dumb if they did.

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90% of the time, nearly everything the Ukrainian MoD publishes is copy & pasted by UK MoD and western media, and taken as fact by European politicians.

90%. Got a source for that? Or just ‘trust me bro’  :lol:

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Not disclosing information on loses is not unusual for a military in war, my question was where has Russian MoD ever lied about the conquest of a town? They don't for the reason that they would look dumb if they did.
They already look dumb with their story about the Moskva and other stuff like it.

Offline Blackpool Rock

They already look dumb with their story about the Moskva and other stuff like it.
They've looked dumb as fuck for over 4 years trying to finish off what they should have been able to do in 4 days  :lol:

Jerboa comes on spouting shite like Lord Haw Haw  :rolleyes:

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This thread has gone unusually quiet!

Except for me...

As regular readers may have noted, I am somewhat ambivalent about our soon-to-be Prime Minister.  Phrases such as "the upstart Burnham" and "the usurper Burnham" are suggestive of this.

But I must, within reason, give him the benefit of the doubt.  He hasn't done anything yet.

In two important respects, however, things have already "gone wrong".

First, as I have already opined, the "No. 1 of the North" is a silly, wasteful, pointless, time-consuming gimmick.

Second, Burnham has made it clear that he will retain the triple lock on pensions.  That is weak, cowardly and wrong.  There is not an economist in the land who argues anything other than that the two things that, if unchanged, will in due course bankrupt the United Kingdom are the triple lock and the ballooning benefits bill.

In simple terms, today's pensioners are being bribed at the expense of the next generation, who will find themselves living on bread and dripping.

Keeping the triple lock was in Labour’s 2024 manifesto.

It shouldn't be in the next manifesto of any political party. If they all say they will scrap it that would stop the pensioner lobby punishing the one party which says they will scrap it.

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They've looked dumb as fuck for over 4 years trying to finish off what they should have been able to do in 4 days  :lol:

Jerboa comes on spouting shite like Lord Haw Haw  :rolleyes:

It is amazing how people spout total nonsense on something they don't understand. Russia is now less than 10 miles from the conurbation of Kramatorsk & Slaviansk, from several directions, take a look at this battle map External Link/Members Only

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Keeping the triple lock was in Labour’s 2024 manifesto.

It shouldn't be in the next manifesto of any political party. If they all say they will scrap it that would stop the pensioner lobby punishing the one party which says they will scrap it.
Pensioners have done very well relatively in recent years due to the triple lock and previously the double lock.

A mechanism to ensure pensions are maintained at reasonable levels is important however they simply didn't think through the consequences of what may or would happen over 10 or so years which would lead to it being too expensive to maintain

It probably needs all parties to agree that there needs to be some sort of independent review of a new mechanism to decide on the rise, currently it tracks 3 things and the rise is whichever gives the biggest rise so it's a no lose scenario but if as we've seen there is a spike in inflation then it goes up a lot

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Keeping the triple lock was in Labour’s 2024 manifesto.

It shouldn't be in the next manifesto of any political party. If they all say they will scrap it that would stop the pensioner lobby punishing the one party which says they will scrap it.

If it's scrapped, what should it be replaced with?

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If it's scrapped, what should it be replaced with?

Provisions to be found in The Assisted Dying Bill.

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If it's scrapped, what should it be replaced with?

A simple link to average earnings.

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It is amazing how people spout total nonsense on something they don't understand. Russia is now less than 10 miles from the conurbation of Kramatorsk & Slaviansk, from several directions, take a look at this battle map External Link/Members Only
you are wasting your breath, these are the same people that read, Telegraph, Daily Mail, Express etc and totally believe everything western media feeds them.

In their world
- Iran is weeks away from a nuclear bomb
- Israel is defending itself in Gaza
- Russia is going to invate all of Europe and setup USSR again if we dont act on Ukraine

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you are wasting your breath, these are the same people that read, Telegraph, Daily Mail, Express etc and totally believe everything western media feeds them.

In their world
- Iran is weeks away from a nuclear bomb
- Israel is defending itself in Gaza
- Russia is going to invate all of Europe and setup USSR again if we dont act on Ukraine
There are reports going round that Russia is now burying cattle corpses infected with Anthrax on Ukrainian territory they currently occupy. Anthrax has a mortality rate of 87% in humans - it can be treated, but you don't know you've got for 4 days, by which time it's too late!
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you are wasting your breath, these are the same people that read, Telegraph, Daily Mail, Express etc and totally believe everything western media feeds them.

In their world
- Iran is weeks away from a nuclear bomb
- Israel is defending itself in Gaza
- Russia is going to invate all of Europe and setup USSR again if we dont act on Ukraine

No body except Trump thought Iran was anywhere near a nuclear bomb, let alone a delivery system. And no one has been fooled by Israel’s shenanigans. That doesn’t mean we are stupid enough to believe the Russian propaganda, or that Russia is not a threat to Western Europe  :thumbsup:

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If it's scrapped, what should it be replaced with?

Double lock. Higher of inflation or 2.5%.

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A simple link to average earnings.

Which will cost the country even more than the triple lock.

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Double lock. Higher of inflation or 2.5%.

Why should they get higher than inflation? Completely unaffordable.

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Double lock. Higher of inflation or 2.5%.
Isn't that what it was before the triple lock  :unknown:

I'd probably favour a hybrid measurement looking at wage growth and inflation then taking the average but i'd also average it out over a few years

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As I have already opined, the "No. 10 of the North" is a silly, wasteful, pointless, time-consuming gimmick.

And nor does Matthew Parris think much of the No. 10 of the North and the "rewiring" of the United Kingdom.

His trenchant piece in today’s Times, under the heading, “Why ‘Rewired Britain’ is a waste of energy” and the sub-heading, “Andy Burnham’s devolution plans may have caught the imagination but pointless reorganisation won’t bring growth”, includes this:
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You can rewire, reshuffle, reorganise until you’re blue in the face — No 10 rewired from London to Manchester; Whitehall to the English regions; local councils to regional and city mayors; Holyrood and the Cardiff Senedd to Scottish and Welsh regions — but all you’re generating is a big shuffle, hopey-changey rhetoric and buzzy headlines: pure displacement activity, embraced with furious excitement by politicians anxious to get involved in something they can understand, and that’s the body politic. The lifeblood of our country, the charge that runs down the wires, is the body economic.

Serious revival would come from a different source, from another world, a world of business, risk, innovation and enterprise: a world the Labour Party neither likes nor understands. “Growth in every postcode” was an all-too memorable phrase that will haunt Burnham until the whole thing fizzles out: by early next year, I reckon. So we “rewire”.

I could shift up a gear and discuss whether, as a general theory, devolution even works. Might we, for just a moment, pause from dancing around the maypole of a word, “devolution”, and look at the evidence? For a policy that bids fair to become the uncontested platitude of our age, the evidence is worryingly mixed.

Devolved Scotland has turned into a corrupt, one-party banana republic and public-spending money-pit, fuelled by tartan grievance. Wales and Northern Ireland are gibbering subsidy junkies led by pygmies and sinking ever further into deficit. The calibre of the politicians that the division of a smallish island into even smaller chunks attracts seems (let’s be charitable) variable. Does anyone outside politics seriously believe our “four nations” are now better run than they were before?

Only London and the southeast produce a (massive) surplus of tax revenues over public spending. All the other regions and nations are in (massive) deficit. Manchester’s home, the northwest (and do the apostles of Manchesterism ever mention this?) boasts the highest regional deficit in the country. Further devolved, they’ll all want more money and vote for whoever shouts the loudest for it. Wire it how you like: there’s only one way the money will be flowing.

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The sad truth is that the Burnham government looks likely to be just as economically illiterate as most of the Labour governments of the past.

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Keeping the triple lock was in Labour’s 2024 manifesto.

It shouldn't be in the next manifesto of any political party. If they all say they will scrap it that would stop the pensioner lobby punishing the one party which says they will scrap it.

It doesnt need to be scrapped just measure/applied over a longer period
Currently if  Inflation  is 5% one year and 1% the next while wage increase is 1% in year one but catch up with inflation 5% in the next then Pensioners get 10% instead of 6%

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There are reports going round that Russia is now burying cattle corpses infected with Anthrax on Ukrainian territory they currently occupy. Anthrax has a mortality rate of 87% in humans - it can be treated, but you don't know you've got for 4 days, by which time it's too late!
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From the titan of truth the sun, according to the Ukrainian military intelligence............ :rolleyes: :lol:

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Which will cost the country even more than the triple lock.

How’d you work that out?

It’s already one of the three measures in the triple lock so it can’t cost us more.

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There are reports going round that Russia is now burying cattle corpses infected with Anthrax on Ukrainian territory they currently occupy. Anthrax has a mortality rate of 87% in humans - it can be treated, but you don't know you've got for 4 days, by which time it's too late!
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there were reports of apparent deliberate anthrax infections not long after the war started

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How’d you work that out?

It’s already one of the three measures in the triple lock so it can’t cost us more.

No. It's currently linked to wage increases, if they exceed the inflation rate or 2.5%.

You said "a simple link to average earnings" suggesting the state pension should be a proportion of average earnings, which are over £35,000.

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No. It's currently linked to wage increases, if they exceed the inflation rate or 2.5%.

You said "a simple link to average earnings" suggesting the state pension should be a proportion of average earnings, which are over £35,000.

The triple lock is the mechanism by which the State Pension has been uprated annually since 2012. It sets the default uprating each year as the highest of 2.5 per cent, the growth in prices (inflation), and the growth in average earnings.

I’m suggesting it be a single lock

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The triple lock is the mechanism by which the State Pension has been uprated annually since 2012. It sets the default uprating each year as the highest of 2.5 per cent, the growth in prices (inflation), and the growth in average earnings.

I’m suggesting it be a single lock

As it was from 2006 when the Blair govt linked it to average earnings. The table below demonstrates the increased cost of the triple lock since 2011.

Interestingly had it been a single lock of CPI during that period (as indeed my NHS pension has been) it would have been slightly less costly to the government than linked to earnings.

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EDIT the real problem with the triple lock was that while it was introduced with the intention of protecting the income of pensioners (and gaining votes of course) nobody predicted the economic volatility in the UK since 2011. Had the latter not been the case the conversation now may have been totally different?

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As it was from 2006 when the Blair govt linked it to average earnings. The table below demonstrates the increased cost of the triple lock since 2011.

Interestingly had it been a single lock of CPI during that period (as indeed my NHS pension has been) it would have been slightly less costly to the government than linked to earnings.

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Interesting, so the rises rather than the actual pension are around 50% more since 2011 using triple lock rather than CPI.

The thing is that if that happens for another 15 years and then another 15 years it will have snowballed well out of control

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Big statement from Nigel Farage on his future at 2pm: External Link/Members Only

I'm guessing among those of a Reform persuasion the thinking (if you can call it that) is "So what if rich people want to give him their money? Shows how good he is!" or "It's an establishment hit-job and fake news!"

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Big statement from Nigel Farage on his future at 2pm: External Link/Members Only

I'm guessing among those of a Reform persuasion the thinking (if you can call it that) is "So what if rich people want to give him their money? Shows how good he is!" or "It's an establishment hit-job and fake news!"
Will we get a Cantona style when the seagulls follow the trawler  :D

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So Farage is resigning but will stand in the by-election

Could be an interesting tactic if followed one by one of the rest of Reform MPs  Keep them in the forefront of the news
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It’s a bold move with potential to backfire, but puts the current furore to bed if successful.

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So Farage is resigning but will stand in the by-election

Could be an interesting tactic if followed one by one of the rest of Reform MPs  Keep them in the forefront of the news

As I said the other day, it'll be a freak show. I'm sure he thinks it's some kind of general election by proxy but for the media it's an absolute gift.

I wonder who Labour will put up? In the general election the Labour candidate there ended up attracting a lot of positive attention on social media, which irked the party bosses because it was an unwinnable seat. He could prove an asset this time round.

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It’s a bold move with potential to backfire, but puts the current furore to bed if successful.

It won't quash the ongoing investigation though, it's more a court of public opinion than a legal one.

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So Farage is resigning but will stand in the by-election

Could be an interesting tactic if followed one by one of the rest of Reform MPs  Keep them in the forefront of the news
High risk strategy considering he tried and failed to get elected god knows how many times

Obviously if he's now going to be campaigning again it will mean he'll presumably have to turn up to go rallying, given numerous comments about how often or rather his lack of attendance in the HOC and indeed in his constituency the voters may choose not to vote for him again as he clearly doesn't give a shit about them or doing his real job as an MP  :thumbsdown:

Taking what he said at face value and putting my dislike of him while there was a fair bit of whinging I do agree that he shouldn't be subjected to personal attacks as it's a race to the bottom and nor should his families whereabouts be made public

Now let's hope the people of Clacton finally see sense and give him a bloody nose pulling the rug from under him, that would be a fantastic slap in the face for him  :thumbsup: