The Politics Thread

[Snagbadjer]

Agreed 

Every debate has nuance and we should have common ground on many topics. Unfortunately this thread has been really shitted up lately with certain posters turning every discussion into a false dilemma.

Not every debate has nuance. For example, on the question of CSA. Is it wrong? Answer: yes. No nuance required. Not sure where the common ground would be on that one. And lil' Tommy: he is Hitler! No nuance or debate allowed lol.

[finn5555]

Not stereotyping. Just acknowledging a fact. According to NPPC Hydrant Program, 2.7% of total UK population is Pakistani, but 6-7% of gang-based CSA is committed by them. So they are very heavily represented. But it's not just the numbers; it's the political cover up, the police involvement, the media gaslighting etc. Tell us more about those white rape gangs targeting foreign children. I want to know more about them.

You clearly don’t or choose not to read things correctly so I will say again for clarity as you need it!

I never said there was evidence of white rape gangs 

[puntingking]

I've had the BBC news on in the background and there were plenty of interviews with kids and groups of kids giving their view or rather opposition of the ban, one was asked what she will do now once the ban comes in and she said she will just sit and stare at the wall, well I guess it's a change from a screen.

The way I see it is that social media (SM) does do some good however it also does some harm however when that harm ruins lives making people miserable or leading to kids killing themselves then something needs to be done to tackle it.

So it's not exactly as if the SM companies haven't been warned or had enough warning to sort things out however they appear to have paid it lip service and sat back hoping it wasn't going to happen rather than putting in place real measures to stop harmful content being viewed by young people.

These companies are at the front of the Tech age, you can't tell me that there isn't a way to achieve it, they just decided not to for some reason 
The Govt gave them warning that something would happen if they didn't take action, IMO they were looking for the SM companies to do something meaningful so that they could claim victory and not introduce a ban even if it didn't quite go as far as they wanted.

These SM companies are owned / run by the richest men in the world and / or state sponsored so money / resource isn't or shouldn't be a problem yet there was something a few years ago where one or more of them (X from memory when Musk (Richest man in the world) took over) cut back on moderation to cut costs 

I think we need to ask why these people don't want to put in effective measures to stop children seeing harmful content and why they are happy for so many lives to be ruined and children to committ suicide etc, it's as if these young lives are simply considered "Collateral damage" 

 

[Jerboa]

Burnham is a genuine guy. Local lad. Born and raised in Manny. Proper working class bloke. His heart is with the people and he intends to do what is best for them . . . in keeping with his Fabian doctrine.

Burnham is a likeable bloke compared to Two Tier, but then that is a rather low bar. If he does get in then win a leadership contest, he might have a honeymoon period, but labour have nothing to offer IMO.

[Snagbadjer]

You clearly don’t or choose not to read things correctly so I will say again for clarity as you need it!

I never said there was evidence of white rape gangs 

You didn't. That's a fair point.

I'm bowing out of the politics discussions, gents. Wish you all a good week!

[webpunter]

I think i'll have a pause too

In the interim here is Labour's latest wisdom

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Ministers want 60% of children walking or cycling to school by 2035

As if the roads aren't dangerous enough ?

Young children not familiar with road traffic especially on bikes

Add in e-scooters & scrotes dressed all in black c/w ballies on ebikes like Surrons

Parents of white girls in places like Bradford & Leicester IMO should be charged with neglect exposing them to untoward risks

What can possibly go wrong ? 

[Charliehutton]

I refer you to my post on this thread . Reply no.9344.
If you still think I just hate jews for being jews, I can't help you.

I'm one of those beyond help. I think you hate Jews for being Jews.

[webpunter]

Not stereotyping. Just acknowledging a fact. According to NPPC Hydrant Program, 2.7% of total UK population is Pakistani, but 6-7% of gang-based CSA is committed by them. So they are very heavily represented. But it's not just the numbers; it's the political cover up, the police involvement, the media gaslighting etc. Tell us more about those white rape gangs targeting foreign children. I want to know more about them.

Fantastically well represented [Cameron likes this word]
As for WRGs talk about a vivid imagination 

If its 2.7% where you live you are lucky as ****
Some places its 50%+ higher higher
A disaster when it comes to property prices unless you happen to have a big drive
Where you can park up older Mercs & Beemahs
Pimp my ride Islamabad styley

[DastardlyDick]

I think i'll have a pause too

In the interim here is Labour's latest wisdom

External Link/Members Only

Ministers want 60% of children walking or cycling to school by 2035

As if the roads aren't dangerous enough ?

Young children not familiar with road traffic especially on bikes

Add in e-scooters & scrotes dressed all in black c/w ballies on ebikes like Surrons

Parents of white girls in places like Bradford & Leicester IMO should be charged with neglect exposing them to untoward risks

What can possibly go wrong ? 

Back in the day, my school asked parents not to bring their kids to school unless there was no other alternative. I think the idea was that the fewer vehicle there were around the School, the less chance there was of a kid getting hit by one.
Maybe we need to bring back things like the Green Cross Code and Cycling Proficency as well?

[webpunter]

Back in the day, my school asked parents not to bring their kids to school unless there was no other alternative. I think the idea was that the fewer vehicle there were around the School, the less chance there was of a kid getting hit by one.
Maybe we need to bring back things like the Green Cross Code and Cycling Proficency as well?

There is a point behind this thinking
The GCC & CP i remember them well
As for CP when i failed whatever it was for my reply was i can do a wheelie for at least 50 yards
Can you imagine CP these days whoever teaching it thinking whichever the kid is you are total shite
Like if you wanna get run over carry on
Nowadays such calling out would be jumped on
Oooh you cant say that to my child
& we didn't have helmets so if you do fall off you made sure you didn't land on your head, obvs

[Snagbadjer]

this is dinosaur number 1 on the politics forum , he loves to bash muslims and blame them for what ever issues he has .

I'm out of the politics debate. But I will still defend myself against slander. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you made that false accusation in the heat of the moment. I would like an apology from you.

[Blackpool Rock]

I'm out of the politics debate. But I will still defend myself against slander. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you made that false accusation in the heat of the moment. I would like an apology from you.

Slander is verbal, liable is written 

[Snagbadjer]

Slander is verbal, liable is written 

Correct. But I didn't realise my mistake until after I'd typed it.

Still want an apology though.

[bigden40]

Correct. But I didn't realise my mistake until after I'd typed it.

Still want an apology though.

He won’t be able to answer until he’s checked in with prof Mearsheimer, the renowned academic from University of Chicago.

[Blackpool Rock]

In the same vein as Doc's recent post on the Tommy thread the politics thread does appear to have descended somewhat in the last 2 or 3 weeks to something a bit more toxic than the normal bashing Starmer / Farage etc

I've read a few people commenting that they are "Out" and indeed I haven't really posted much myself recently as for me personally i'm not really interested in posting about Israel / Palestine etc

Dare I say that the politics thread has almost become too political   

[Iloveoral]

He's brainwashed, prefers removed and shut their mouths for the sake of community cohesion. 

Bit to far mate, tread carefully

[Vice Admiral]

Jenni Russell (see above) is one of the wisest and most moderate voices in The Times.  Another is Matthew Parris, whose article in today’s paper includes this:

If — or once — Burnham is prime minister, Britain’s Wizard of Oz moment approaches. There’s nothing there! Nothing beyond a cool jacket and ready handshake: a leader who always takes the line of least resistance. Whether Burnham or a further constrained Sir Keir Starmer is in Downing Street next year, the descent can only steepen. By the time a general election comes, Britain’s credit will have run out. Austerity will be our only lifeline.

The upstart Burnham will be Prime Minister by the end of the summer for one reason and one reason only – namely, that Labour MP’s think (rightly) that they stand a slightly better chance of retaining their seats in the 2029 General Election under Burnham than under Starmer.  It’s naked self-interest.

Yes, Starmer’s a useless Prime Minister.  So will Burnham be.  Just a little less annoying (for a month or two).

But Starmer worked hard to make Labour electable again, and then led the party to a General Election victory with a majority of 174 seats.  An impressive achievement.

Burnham has no mandate.  He hasn’t even been an MP for ten years.  He’s an unscrupulous carpet-bagger. 

It's all deeply unedifying.

In recent days I've quoted from articles in The Times by Jenni Russell and Matthew Parris expressing considerable pessimism about the likelihood that the upstart Burnham will be any good as Prime Minister.

In today’s paper, William Hague takes a slightly more positive tack:

In his interview in this newspaper on Saturday, Burnham recognised that “the world has changed” and defence spending must rise. He also said he would not be “squeamish” about reducing the welfare bill to pay for it. He will have a political moment, a matter of weeks when installed as PM, to show that he means those statements. Yet if he could prove that he could pull off such a change, one that has eluded Starmer, he would have a chance of earning some authority, setting a direction, giving himself some freedom of manoeuvre and showing voters that mainstream politics can still achieve something. And he would be doing what is necessary and right.

This might be too optimistic a thought. Most people in other parties expect him to drift to the left, steadily raising taxes to fund ballooning welfare spending while still being unable to pay for the revitalisation of our national defence.

In other words (this is now the Vice-Admiral talking, not Hague) the only chance of Burnham not being a useless, shilly-shallying, “all things to all men” Starmer clone is if, once in power, he shakes off his former associates and attitudes – like Thomas Becket or Prince Hal – and astonishes and appals his party by robustly tackling the overspend on benefits and the underspend on defence.

Can you see that happening?

Me neither.

[Jerboa]

You mean the guy arrested on trumped up charges, imprisoned through a sham trial, then poisoned and murdered while in jail.
Describing him as you have just shows what an immoral disgusting noxious liar you are.

Here you go, meet your hero of democracy in Russia, calling Caucasians cockroaches and rats with his nazi mates. External Link/Members Only

[Jerboa]

I want to know who wanted to portray Henry as the aggressor, the investigation team head or from the chief? Head's need to role. The family will know, they will have been coerced to follow one narrative, for example that statement the father read out after the verdict, I would guarantee the government wrote that for him.

As I was saying, the government does involve itself in controlling the narrative, it has a psyop unit called RICU External Link/Members Only

[mills_and_bhuna]

I'm one of those beyond help. I think you hate Jews for being Jews.

At least you admit it.

[mills_and_bhuna]

Here you go, meet your hero of democracy in Russia, calling Caucasians cockroaches and rats with his nazi mates. External Link/Members Only

Putin Derangement Syndrome is a thing.
It's endemic in British politics

[badsin]

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Russian frigate fires at British ship in the English channel. Maybe we will soon be at war with Russia, I hope not.

[Jonestown]

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Russian frigate fires at British ship in the English channel. Maybe we will soon be at war with Russia, I hope not.

How would another country know if Britain was at war with them, what should they look out for ?

[webpunter]

How would another country know if Britain was at war with them, what should they look out for ?

Brilliant 
Quote of the month
Ships in dry dock for overhaul & getting within 3 months of being sea worthy ?

As for Two Tier bolloxing on at the G7 about war stuff he thinks that Britain is a military super power
& he's leading it 
Never mind taking back the Falklands i doubt if the depleted armed forces could include [auto correct FFS: invade] the Isle of Wight [& if the ferries aren't working no chance] 

[RedKettle]

In the same vein as Doc's recent post on the Tommy thread the politics thread does appear to have descended somewhat in the last 2 or 3 weeks to something a bit more toxic than the normal bashing Starmer / Farage etc

I've read a few people commenting that they are "Out" and indeed I haven't really posted much myself recently as for me personally i'm not really interested in posting about Israel / Palestine etc

Dare I say that the politics thread has almost become too political   

Agreed. I am pulling away, too many aggressive idiots.

[puntingking]

The escort advertising ban is only a matter of "when" and not "if" 

They have been discussing the banning of so-called "pimping websites" for quite some time now.

With the ongoing political pressures among labour mps and when taken into account the amount of mps (small in number) who would want a full decriminalisation of sex work approach and the bigger number of mps who want the "Nordic model" approach.

The most likely scenario is neither the "Nordic model" or the decriminalisation of sex work but the banning of escort advertising websites.

[webpunter]

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Starmer denies being snubbed by Trump at G7 summit

This is the best bit Two Tier getting a panic on

Earlier on Tuesday, Starmer was caught on a hot mic asking: “Are they having a meeting?” while Trump, Emmanuel Macron and Volodymyr Zelenskyy were absent

[Jonestown]

The escort advertising ban is only a matter of "when" and not "if" 

They have been discussing the banning of so-called "pimping websites" for quite some time now.

With the ongoing political pressures among labour mps and when taken into account the amount of mps (small in number) who would want a full decriminalisation of sex work approach and the bigger number of mps who want the "Nordic model" approach.

The most likely scenario is neither the "Nordic model" or the decriminalisation of sex work but the banning of escort advertising websites.

Sounds like all that will do is drive it underground, making the girls more vulnerable than they are now, and giving them less control over how they select clients.

Sex work is really very open at the moment, if the authorities can’t pick off the bad guys in the current market, it’s from lack of trying.

[mills_and_bhuna]

Agreed. I am pulling away, too many aggressive idiots.

that'll be one less then........

[puntingking]

that'll be one less then........

 

[puntingking]

Sounds like all that will do is drive it underground, making the girls more vulnerable than they are now, and giving them less control over how they select clients.

Sex work is really very open at the moment, if the authorities can’t pick off the bad guys in the current market, it’s from lack of trying.

If you look at the countries with more rape, more sexual abuse, more violence against females and more human trafficking. It comes from countries with stricter sex work laws.

For less violence against women and girls, you need an holistic approach to sex workers and a full decriminalisation of sex work. 

[RedKettle]

I am not sure he will understand the irony of that! 

I should say that I have had fundamental disagreements with some of the things you have posted and at times I have challenged.  Whilst I still think we would disagree on a lot and have different world views you are one of the few people that seems to listen to what is being said and acknowledges that on some subjects you have something to learn.

This thread would be much better if more people made an attempt to listen to other views and understand rather than always try and shout louder and provide ever more dubious evidence of their world view.

 

[timsussex]

2 articles from The Times

1) chief of defence staff warns that without more money cutbacks in training, deploymeny and capabilities will be inevitable
2) MoD funded £1.6m repairs to Prince Edward’s Bagshot Park home for dilapidation after using it for the Army's Chaplains dept

[puntingking]

I am not sure he will understand the irony of that! 

I should say that I have had fundamental disagreements with some of the things you have posted and at times I have challenged.  Whilst I still think we would disagree on a lot and have different world views you are one of the few people that seems to listen to what is being said and acknowledges that on some subjects you have something to learn.

This thread would be much better if more people made an attempt to listen to other views and understand rather than always try and shout louder and provide ever more dubious evidence of their world view.

 

 

[Jerboa]

2 articles from The Times

1) chief of defence staff warns that without more money cutbacks in training, deploymeny and capabilities will be inevitable
2) MoD funded £1.6m repairs to Prince Edward’s Bagshot Park home for dilapidation after using it for the Army's Chaplains dept

If the CDS had the balls he would reign too.

[bigden40]

Rupert Lowe has released his Rape Gang enquiry report - this is not the official public enquiry.   I’m sure it’s going to blow up on social media and be ignored by the mainstream.

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Haven’t had a chance to read but asked AI to summarise.

The Rape Gang Inquiry Report details systematic child sexual exploitation by predominantly Pakistani-heritage Muslim men targeting vulnerable white British girls. Key findings: ~250,000 victims estimated since the 1950s; 87-95% perpetrators Muslim in analyzed cases. Grooming via drugs/alcohol/taxis, gang rapes, trafficking, blackmail, and racial/religious abuse.

Massive institutional failures by police, councils, and services driven by political correctness and fear of racism accusations; ethnicity/religion data often unrecorded. Links to clan honor codes and Islamic theological attitudes toward non-Muslims cited. Harrowing survivor testimonies included.

Conclusions: National scandal and state betrayal enabled by multiculturalism. Recommendations: mandatory ethnicity recording in crime data, deportations of foreign offenders, accountability, and reforms. Consistent with patterns in official inquiries like Rotherham and Telford.

The counterpoint to this is:

The "Rape Gang Inquiry Report" is a private, crowdfunded document chaired by Rupert Lowe MP with a survivor-led panel.
- Not an official inquiry with statutory powers or independent oversight, it's advocacy-framed.
- The headline 250,000 victim figure is a speculative extrapolation (from Lord Pearson/Hansard) with no rigorous national methodology or confidence intervals. Official data on perpetrator ethnicity remains patchy.
- Heavy emotive language ("demonic", religious justifications) and selective focus on Pakistani Muslim perpetrators/culture, while downplaying broader CSE patterns or data limits.
- Strong political slant blaming specific parties, multiculturalism, and immigration policies.

Survivor accounts are harrowing and align with known failures in Rotherham etc., but treat the report as partisan analysis, not definitive neutral fact. Official audits (e.g. Casey) highlight real data gaps too.

[Thephoenix]

that'll be one less then........

I suspect most of us are hoping you'll follow suit chum.

[scutty brown]

How to cook a jerboa
I think you'd have to be desperate to try

A jerboa is a small desert-dwelling rodent. While not a conventional food source, if you are looking to prepare one as small game, the process is similar to cooking a rabbit or squirrel.
1. Preparation
Field Dressing: Humanely dispatch the animal and remove the internal organs immediately to avoid spoilage.
Skinning: Make an incision down the belly and carefully peel back the pelt. You may also want to remove the feet and tail.
Cleaning: Thoroughly rinse the carcass in clean, fresh water to remove any debris or blood.

2. Cooking Methods
Because they are small, jerboas have very little meat (concentrated mostly on the hind legs and back). The best way to prepare them is to roast, stew, or fry them.
Roasting (Over an open fire or grill):Skewer the cleaned carcass or individual leg pieces. Rub lightly with salt and basic cooking fat. Roast over hot coals, turning frequently for 10-15 minutes until the meat is cooked through and lightly browned.
Stewing (In a pot):Cut the carcass into smaller, manageable pieces. Place in a pot with water or broth, wild onions, and root vegetables. Boil and simmer covered for 30-45 minutes until the meat is tender enough to fall off the bone.

Safety & Considerations
Conservation: Many jerboa species are highly endangered, protected, or restricted. Always ensure you are following local wildlife and hunting laws.
Disease: As wild rodents, they can carry parasites or diseases, so the meat must be cooked to an internal temperature of 74°C (165°F) to ensure it is safe to eat.