The Politics Thread

[finn5555]

I'm not a Reform voter, but I agree there are better things the money could be spent on, but Reform are bound to spend it on something that people will think even more ridiculous. He could have given a different reason too, the one given makes him look homophobic.

I think things like this should, in the current climate, be self funded not funded via councils. Now saying that there is a cost to policing these to consider. Maybe fix some pot holes first 

[Jerboa]

There are talkers and doers, Two Tier certainly talks a good talk, swanning around the globe, going to Kiev and cuddling the midget comedian, telling the world how important defence is to Britain. Then he lies about the defence investment plan, it is reported the budget will only increase by 0.08% 

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[finn5555]

It's always good to tell your enemy that you're coming

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Trump says US will hit Iran 'very hard' tonight and threatens to take Kharg Island - BBC News

He is frustrated as a war monger he cannot see a way out of what he and Netanyahu started. Iran although with a weakened military will make this a long war of attrition. America are good at this shit 

[Watts.E.Dunn]

Perhaps what DT really wants is a peace plan with an option to have a pop at each other when their arms manafactures need some work!.

There sorted:)

[RandomGuy99]

He is frustrated as a war monger he cannot see a way out of what he and Netanyahu started. Iran although with a weakened military will make this a long war of attrition. America are good at this shit 

He doesn't seem to understand that Iran don't want to sign a peace deal.

[finn5555]

He doesn't seem to understand that Iran don't want to sign a peace deal.

Exactly, best thing he can do is fuck off home and leave them to it.

[bigden40]

He doesn't seem to understand that Iran don't want to sign a peace deal.

I think he does understand that, he doesn’t want one either.  Most of what is being said is noise/distraction. 

[Massagemanmr]

Anyone want to buy Palestinian land ? June 14th London a special real estate event is coming to you

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[finn5555]

Three more thugs with, plenty of previous, are where they belong after rioting in Southampton.

Darren Medhurst is jailed for three years and three months.

Callum Darch and Harley Haynes receive sentences of two and a half years.

 

[webpunter]

The tolerant lefties on here made homophobic remarks to me for seeing Brazilian TSs. But I don't take it personally.

So you are top rather than bottom ? 

Nowt wrong with TS as long as there isn't a knob

& it isn't immediately obvious that its a trannie [ie looking like a bloke on a rugby club stag do]

I was thinking post should be good at R&T + noshing on the basis that they used to have a cock so know what it feels [well rather felt] like

They certainly do 

[Doc Holliday]

Are court cases often long and complex? Sure. Do retrials equate to complexity? Not necessarily. Were each of those videos clear as day as to who the bad people were? Undeniably.

I agree with all of that. Your turn now. How about you address the specific points I raised?

 

[webpunter]

You cannot blame Starmer, although i respect him for not dragging us into a pointless Iran conflict! Aside from that he is a weak PM.

The facts are there for all to see:

Defence spending has been in decline for many years Between 1992 and 1997 defence spending fell from 3.9% to 2.6% of GDP according to statistics. Then Blair started spending more for military operations in Afghanistan and Iraq (although the funds came from the reserve i believe)

Cameron slashed spending by 8% at the same time cutting military personnel by 12000.  He also said tanks would be cut by 40% and heavy artillery by 35%, (not sure if this actually happened)

Now the government  has committed to increase defence spending, according to the NATO definition, to 2.5% of GDP by 2027, or 2.6% of GDP when including additional elements of security and intelligence spending. It has since further committed to increase spending to 3.5% of GDP by 2035, in line with a new NATO target. (Trumps demands)

The previous Conservative government had committed to increase defence spending to 2.5% of GDP by 2030.

Interesting 
Both parties are shite
Labour have only announced the increases coz Trumpy piled on the pressure accusing europe of relying on the US for defence, which is true
Other european countries are ramping up defence spending big style

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'British Attack Submarine Availability Falls to Landmark Zero Percent as Maintenance Issues Worsen'
Russian ships are patrolling in UK waters with impunity

It took a couple of weeks to get HMS Dragon ready to sail
One of the main reasons being that the contractors maintaining the ships saw the contracts go from round the clock 7 days a week to Mon-Fri 9-5
I'm 110% that Starmer didn't want it to leave port for as long as possible scaredy cat oooh the ranians might target Britain if its seen to help the US *
& fearful it might get sunk - its supposed to be a f*****g warship !
Me thinks the crew will have been gagging to use it in anger
* note to Starmer - they are anyways terror plots taken down all the time 

[webpunter]

Perhaps what DT really wants is a peace plan with an option to have a pop at each other when their arms manafactures need some work!.

There sorted:)

They're working round the clock every day
Not that the US were running out of munitions however stock levels reducing
& huge logistical issues resupplying the warships & aircraft bases
They'll be flat out for the next decade whatever happens

[webpunter]

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Nothing could have been more damaging for Starmer than this resignation
John Healey’s departure is not about personality or petty rivalries, it is about whether Britain can afford to defend itself

It can't afford not to   

[mills_and_bhuna]

You don't need to be Albert Einstein to see that Donald J Trump has bought up every bit of real estate in your head. Do you think about him often too?

Well he's in the news a lot.
So there is that.

[mills_and_bhuna]

No.

But I'll give an example.
In English culture, FGM is considered abhorrent.
In numerous other places, it is the norm.

Different worldviews, incompatible cultures.

I don't condone FGM either.
But MGM is carried on to this day in Britain and the US.
We seem to be AOK with that.
And of course there is that elephant in the room again........

[bigden40]

I don't condone FGM either.
But MGM is carried on to this day in Britain and the US.
We seem to be AOK with that.
And of course there is that elephant in the room again........

That’s possibly the stupidest thing I’ve seen you post. 

There is a world of difference between male circumcision and female genital mutilation.

[mills_and_bhuna]

That’s possibly the stupidest thing I’ve seen you post. 

There is a world of difference between male circumcision and female genital mutilation.

How so?
They're both unnecessary in the vast majority of cases.

[bigden40]

How so?
They're both unnecessary in the vast majority of cases.

Not sure if serious. 

One is a routine, legal medical practice with minimal complications and potential medical benefits, such as a reduced risk of urinary tract infections and certain sexually transmitted infections. 

The other has zero health benefits and can cause severe, lifelong physical and psychological trauma, including chronic pain, infertility, and life-threatening obstetric complications during childbirth and is widely classified as a human rights violation

[mills_and_bhuna]

Not sure if serious. 

One is a routine, legal medical practice with minimal complications and potential medical benefits, such as a reduced risk of urinary tract infections and certain sexually transmitted infections. 

The other has zero health benefits and can cause severe, lifelong physical and psychological trauma, including chronic pain, infertility, and life-threatening obstetric complications during childbirth and is widely classified as a human rights violation

I agree with your assessment of FGM.
I think you're sugarcoating the other side.
I know it's less complicated surgery but there are very few cases where as a last resort it is of any benefit.
Of course it helps if you can hide behind religious justification .
Is it a legal, medical practice when practised by a rabbi ?

[bigden40]

I agree with your assessment of FGM.
I think you're sugarcoating the other side.
I know it's less complicated surgery but there are very few cases where as a last resort it is of any benefit.
Of course it helps if you can hide behind religious justification .
Is it a legal, medical practice when practised by a rabbi ?

The vast majority of circumcisions are nothing to do with Judaism, Jewish men make up less than 1% of circumcisions globally, 68% are Muslim, nearly 40% of all men.  The origins are in ancient Egypt. 

Maybe you should give your “anti Zionism” a rest occasionally.

[webpunter]

The other has zero health benefits and can cause severe, lifelong physical and psychological trauma, including chronic pain, infertility, and life-threatening obstetric complications during childbirth and is widely classified as a human rights violation

Propogated by misogynistic medieval barbaric controlling males
Utter cunts
Take a wild guess as to which religion are leaders in this 

[Snagbadjer]

So you are top rather than bottom ? 

Nowt wrong with TS as long as there isn't a knob

& it isn't immediately obvious that its a trannie [ie looking like a bloke on a rugby club stag do]

I was thinking post should be good at R&T + noshing on the basis that they used to have a cock so know what it feels [well rather felt] like

They certainly do 

Always top. Urgh couldn't do a post-op. Step too far for me.

[Snagbadjer]

The vast majority of circumcisions are nothing to do with Judaism, Jewish men make up less than 1% of circumcisions globally, 68% are Muslim, nearly 40% of all men.  The origins are in ancient Egypt. 

Maybe you should give your “anti Zionism” a rest occasionally.

Circumcision? I said FGM, you twerp.

[Snagbadjer]

Well he's in the news a lot.
So there is that.

Molly Mae is in the news a lot too. But I don't think about her every minute of the day or argue angrily about her with strangers on a forum about shagging prozzies.

[Snagbadjer]

I agree with all of that. Your turn now. How about you address the specific points I raised?

Which points? Be concise and I'll consider it.

[bigden40]

Circumcision? I said FGM, you twerp.

I wasn’t talking to you 

[sparkus]

I don't condone FGM either.
But MGM is carried on to this day in Britain and the US.
We seem to be AOK with that.
And of course there is that elephant in the room again........

If it's not on medical grounds or an adult decision then it should be 100 per cent banned.

FGM and MGM is also practiced in Christian areas of Africa.

[Snagbadjer]

I wasn’t talking to you 

Yeah but we've all got skin in the game 

[Snagbadjer]

If it's not on medical grounds or an adult decision then it should be 100 per cent banned.

FGM and MGM is also practiced in Christian areas of Africa.

I wonder why the left - those courageous heroes of women's rights; those brave bastions of "progress" - are silent on the FGM issue? When you see a Somali girl in the street, there is a 90% chance she's been mutilated. It's okay though, because it's the gammons who are the true threat.

[bigden40]

Yeah but we've all got skin in the game 

Sure 

But do try a follow the conversation, it was Mills wot introduced circumcision to the conversation and I was calling him out for being a retard.

[Charliehutton]

The vast majority of circumcisions are nothing to do with Judaism, Jewish men make up less than 1% of circumcisions globally, 68% are Muslim, nearly 40% of all men.  The origins are in ancient Egypt. 

Maybe you should give your “anti Zionism” a rest occasionally.

Shame on you, Bigden. You seem to be suggesting that M & B is beyond reason. Just because his posts are always in the form of cowardly rhetorical riddles, masquerading as deep intellectual thought, doesn't necessarily make him a rabid anti-semite.

[Massagemanmr]

Shame on you, Bigden. You seem to be suggesting that M & B is beyond reason. Just because his posts are always in the form of cowardly rhetorical riddles, masquerading as deep intellectual thought, doesn't necessarily make him a rabid anti-semite.

if bigden40 stops delivering his fake anti-semite accusations he loses his purpose in life.....

[Iamforreal]

This thread is becoming quite toxic...calling each other names and throwing insults.
That's not going to be a good debate.

[puntingking]

This thread is becoming quite toxic...calling each other names and throwing insults.
That's not going to be a good debate.

If people can't be nice to each other when discussing politics on here then maybe they should not discuss anything political in nature on here. 

[bigden40]

if bigden40 stops delivering his fake anti-semite accusations he loses his purpose in life.....

Let’s be clear, the only person I’ve called an anti-Semite is you.  Your content provides ample support for that view. 

Yesterday, however, Mills decided to bring male circumcision in to a discussion about FGM, suggested that these practices were equivalent and directly stated that the male practice was only acceptable because it was part of the a Jewish faith, despite the fact that is practiced widely outside that faith (somewhere approaching 40% of the global male population) and doesn’t originate there.

I have made no direct accusation other than it was a very foolish position to take. 

[RandomGuy99]

WTAFIGO?

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[sparkus]

If people can't be nice to each other when discussing politics on here then maybe they should not discuss anything political in nature on here. 

This thread was set up as "containment" during lockdown as some quite unrelated threads were being derailed by pointless political point-scoring.  Before Covid there were actually some threads about 'Why is UKP so right-wing?' etc. Of course, the handful of prolific commenters (who didn't even punt) have since moved on.

I've long been mystified why people try to fix the world by slinging mud at strangers online but even more so when it's done on sex buyers' forum.

[bigden40]

WTAFIGO?

BBC News - Trump claims deal to end Iran war near as Tehran says 'nothing' finalised - BBC News
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What is going on?

Noise, misdirection, sowing dissent, playing off different Iranian groups against each other, amongst other things. 

It’s been going on for weeks, including the fake ceasefire.

Is there a deal coming soon?  I really don’t think so. I think the US is currently quite comfortable blockading the Strait and squeezing the life out of Iran financially. They’re looking for complete surrender.

[bigden40]

Uk back in negative growth, yay. 

[Massagemanmr]

Let’s be clear, the only person I’ve called an anti-Semite is you.  Your content provides ample support for that view. 

Yesterday, however, Mills decided to bring male circumcision in to a discussion about FGM, suggested that these practices were equivalent and directly stated that the male practice was only acceptable because it was part of the a Jewish faith, despite the fact that is practiced widely outside that faith (somewhere approaching 40% of the global male population) and doesn’t originate there.

I have made no direct accusation other than it was a very foolish position to take.

but you take stupid positions all the time ?

[WASA38]

Uk back in negative growth, yay. 

Primarily a consequence of your hero's ill considered war.

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[bigden40]

but you take stupid positions all the time ?

Maybe you’ll successfully argue against one sometime. 

[bigden40]

Primarily a consequence of your hero's ill considered war.

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Nonsense.  It’s primarily a consequence of UK government policy.

[Massagemanmr]

Maybe you’ll successfully argue against one sometime. 

nah need you've too far behind the curve

Any way I'm sure you'll be pleased to know. Israel is selling stolen Palestinians land in London

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 If you criticise this  .....you hate the Jews / hamas propaganda / denying the holocaust (you can choose  )

[Massagemanmr]

Nonsense.  It’s primarily a consequence of UK government policy.

and then you wonder why you have the reputation that you have 

[Snagbadjer]

If it's not on medical grounds or an adult decision then it should be 100 per cent banned.

FGM and MGM is also practiced in Christian areas of Africa.

Is it? Evidence? Or are they pockets *within* Christian areas where FGM still lingers within non-Christian tribal communities.

Moot point anyway, as the overwhelming majority of countries that practice FGM are obviously African or Islamic. Egypt and Somalia are near the top. Finding a rare example of it being done in a Christian area does not invalidate the broad point, unless whataboutism is your thing?

[Snagbadjer]

The word of the Iranian government cannot be trusted. Some naive western liberals still fail to see this, perhaps deliberately.

[Massagemanmr]

The word of the Iranian government cannot be trusted. Some naive western liberals still fail to see this, perhaps deliberately.

and how would you describe the word of the Israeli government?

[Doc Holliday]

Which points? Be concise and I'll consider it.

You'll consider it? Wow! What a supercilious, disdainful and arrogant reply?

The points in my post were clear. You are diverting and have no intention of discussing any of the points I raised.