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Offline bigden40

You love that word framing don’t you 😂

A sterling job eh !

I very much doubt that. He habitually stops answering questions that he can’t answer, sometimes ending the interview or more likely to call the journalist crooked or fake then moving on to take a question from a tame press member.

Like I said. I find him totally fascinating but not in a good way.
Still……….. as an example of how to blatantly enrich yourself in office. There’s been no one better. 🤷🏼

Well that’s not even close to true  :lol:

Offline bigden40

Why do Trumpettes (Just as good an analogy as TDS) keep bleating on about Biden and Obama.

The main differences between Trump and Obama is crystal clear. One could answer questions asked of him without resorting to calling the interviewer crooked and stupid.

Thank-you though for allowing me to come to my own conclusions over what I watched. 😂

It’s easy to answer questions when a deferential media is just asking you why you’re so great  :rolleyes:  The most “hostile” interview Obama faced was from Brett Baier and it was nothing in comparison.

The difference in media treatment is glaring and relevant, which is why i mentioned it.

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Interesting viewing for those still labouring under the illusion that Trump and Netanyahu are having any kind of disagreement behind the scenes.

Offline TallnHung

Why would it matter if he's a millionaire, privately educated former merchant banker?

Because he is the exactly what he says he hates, the establishment. 
If he got any more establishment he would have a Blue Plaque on him!

Offline TallnHung

For many of us the state of the United Kingdom’s defence capability is a cause for major concern:
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That concern crosses party lines, albeit without quite reaching Jeremy Corbyn.  Indeed there is something approaching consensus among "right-thinking people" that more money is needed for defence.

Which brings me to last night’s edition of The Wrap on Sky News.

The quality of The Wrap varies from night to night, depending on who the guest commentators are.  Some – Adam Boulton, Steve Richards and Christina Patterson come to mind – are first class.
 
Last night we had Rachel Shabi, who is not hugely impressive (although Wikipedia tells us that, born to Iraqi Jewish parents, she “identifies” as an Arab Jew and – to her credit – is vehemently opposed to by Israel’s actions in Gaza, which she has denounced as "genocidal violence").

But on the matter of defence, she is living in cloud-cuckoo land.

In last night’s programme, Shabi said that calls for more spending on defence were orchestrated by the right-wing media to suit their own agenda (without specifying what that agenda is) and that any extra money would be better spent on “diplomacy” – as if an extra few billion used to recruit more Sir Humphreys into the Foreign Office would turn Putin into a decent, peace-loving human being.

What lures the Shabis and Corbyns into a false sense of security is the feeling that all these wars (even the war in Ukraine) don’t really affect us – ignoring the way that Putin is constantly edging forward in his aggressive tactics against the UK.  This approach is sometimes known as salami slicing, as indeed Sir Humphrey explained to Jim Hacker in some detail in a 1986 episode of Yes, Prime Minister that I saw only a few nights ago.

Diplomacy is not going to cut the mustard.  And the mustard needed for the salami is going to be very expensive mustard – Tiptree English Wholegrain, you might say, rather than Colman’s.

There is a rule that went around the miltary when I served.
Anything you wear, eat, drink and in my case fly will have been supplied by the lowest bidder.
We never got the best or the most modern, what we did have was amazing training and an ability to adapt to what we were supplied with.  Though I hear from friends now in the training world and who have kids in training that even that is a bit lacking now too sadly.

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Interesting viewing for those still labouring under the illusion that Trump and Netanyahu are having any kind of disagreement behind the scenes.

Of course they’re aligned.  Where I disagree with you on this is that you believe the US is doing Israel's bidding, whilst I think it’s the opposite.

Offline Stevelondon

Well that’s not even close to true  :lol:


😂😂.    I’ll wait until you name a former President who made more money than Trump during his tenure. M
By the way……….  Have you received your gold phone yet.

I really really want one of those ‘Rump’ watches 😂

Offline mills_and_bhuna

Of course they’re aligned.  Where I disagree with you on this is that you believe the US is doing Israel's bidding, whilst I think it’s the opposite.
I don't think the US is doing Israel's bidding. It's doing the bidding of billionaires, oligarchs, Wall Street, Silicon Valley  and multinational corporations .
If you have evidence that it is doing it to improve the lives of Iranians or even ordinary Americans I'd love to see it.
Brian Berletic is quite clear in this and other videos I've posted where he clearly states this is long held policy to destabilise the Middle East , and disrupt China's energy supply. In other words it's a fight against a multipolar world and therefore to maintain US global hegemony.
Israel is a tool, which serves the purposes of that policy.
The main difference between us is you seem to think US hegemony is a good thing.

Offline Snagbadjer

There is a rule that went around the miltary when I served.
Anything you wear, eat, drink and in my case fly will have been supplied by the lowest bidder.
We never got the best or the most modern, what we did have was amazing training and an ability to adapt to what we were supplied with.  Though I hear from friends now in the training world and who have kids in training that even that is a bit lacking now too sadly.

It's definitely lacking. The army fitness test is now a disgrace. Anything to meet those quotas eh?

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😂😂.    I’ll wait until you name a former President who made more money than Trump during his tenure. M
By the way……….  Have you received your gold phone yet.

I really really want one of those ‘Rump’ watches 😂

I don't mind if Trump makes himself a trillionaire so long as he keeps the border secure, deports the illegals, and keeps winding up lefty lunatics without getting out of bed.

Offline Adoniron

I don't mind if Trump makes himself a trillionaire so long as he keeps the border secure, deports the illegals, and keeps winding up lefty lunatics without getting out of bed.

Do you live in the US? If not why do you care about immigration and border control?

Shouldn't you be more bothered about the effect on the world economy of his ill fated adventures in Iran?

Offline Dark Vader

Shouldn't you be more bothered about the effect on the world economy of his ill fated adventures in Iran?

Or that he wanted to drop nukes on Iran but a couple of generals wouldn't give him the codes. Allegedly.

Offline Snagbadjer

Do you live in the US? If not why do you care about immigration and border control?

Shouldn't you be more bothered about the effect on the world economy of his ill fated adventures in Iran?

Why can't I care about America? Shouldn't you be more bothered about all those HMOs popping up near your kids' school?

Offline bigden40

Or that he wanted to drop nukes on Iran but a couple of generals wouldn't give him the codes. Allegedly.

Tales from someone’s ass.

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Offline Massagemanmr

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Interesting viewing for those still labouring under the illusion that Trump and Netanyahu are having any kind of disagreement behind the scenes.
I can't agree on this It's obvious Trump is desperate to get out of this war. This has gone down as the biggest blunder in US history of wars , bigger than Vietnam and Iraq this take some doing.

Trump would have been out of this a long time ago but No way Israel would let them .

Trump's easy option would be to go in there drop a few bombs and declare victory, Iran would fire a few small drones at US bases give them a heads up and claim it retaliated and deterrence still in effect.

Israel is driving this iran war and the US is getting dragged along. But truth be told this isn't anything new Israel has been dictating middle Eastern policy for decades, The big problem israel has is it can no longer hide.

What its doing and everybody knows about it and no amount of fake anti-semitism, You hate the Jews, You're denying the Holocaust is going to get them out of it.....


Offline Stevelondon

I don't mind if Trump makes himself a trillionaire so long as he keeps the border secure, deports the illegals, and keeps winding up lefty lunatics without getting out of bed.

Plus of course people being shot in the face. 🤷🏼

Your avatar really should be that made in China MAGA baseball cap 😂

Offline Massagemanmr

Plus of course people being shot in the face. 🤷🏼

Your avatar really should be that made in China MAGA baseball cap 😂
you gotta give it to Trump he has done American's over good and proper. He has done more damage to America than America's worst enemies could have done.

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you gotta give it to Trump he has done American's over good and proper. He has done more damage to America than America's worst enemies could have done.

Don’t worry mate, the Trump Years have been just a learning period to prepare us for the Burnham / Paulen coalition, then we will know real despair.

Offline Stevelondon

There was a rumour that American political news clips were being shown on North Korean state television.

One member of the public stating “Thank fuck I live here”  :D :lol:

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Offline bigden40

Possibly this guy's ass. External Link/Members Only  4.30 onwards.

Thanks for confirming.   That was utter drivel.

Offline Dark Vader

Thanks for confirming.   That was utter drivel.
Because you think that could never happen? or do you have intel from someone who was in that meeting?

Offline webpunter

A bad start to the morning for Labour's immigration policies, if last weeks two tier policing revelation wasn't enough

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Appeals in the media not to share footage

Good luck with that people need to know what's going on

The rozzers appear at the end of the clip

Thought the Peelers are armed thats an easy one a close up head shot

A developing story & the FB post will likely be taken down

I'm off to Ladbroke's to see if they'll take bets it being revealed the Somalian arrested having had a difficult childhood & having mental health problems

Not much trying to behead someone  :dash:

A generous welcome by Labour ticking the boxes rescuing & homing yet another migrant  :rolleyes:

Hope the bloke attacked will be ok

Offline webpunter

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I can imagine Trumpy finding out about the ref for the WC & responding in a rage are you fucking joking sort it out

His favourite country ever since Black Hawk Down, the US forces dropped a mighty number of skinnies

A shithole country according to him & on this occasion he's not wrong

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A bad start to the morning for Labour's immigration policies, if last weeks two tier policing revelation wasn't enough

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Appeals in the media not to share footage

Good luck with that people need to know what's going on

The rozzers appear at the end of the clip

Thought the Peelers are armed thats an easy one a close up head shot

A developing story & the FB post will likely be taken down

I'm off to Ladbroke's to see if they'll take bets it being revealed the Somalian arrested having had a difficult childhood & having mental health problems

Not much trying to behead someone  :dash:

A generous welcome by Labour ticking the boxes rescuing & homing yet another migrant  :rolleyes:

Hope the bloke attacked will be ok

Do you think there might be another reason not to post video etc at the moment - perhaps around actually telling the family of the victim before they see it on their phones?

Offline Jerboa

Utter barbaric footage from North Belfast of a Somali attacking a lad with a knife (attempted beheading) on the street. Brave neighbours used a hurely bat to stop the attack.
This was in a nationalist area of North Lodge, residents of the Shankill went last night to visit and give support to the locals, both communities are coming together. There is calls online of road closures all over NI tonight.
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Offline bigden40

Because you think that could never happen? or do you have intel from someone who was in that meeting?

What I think is irrelevant. 

The person making the extraordinary claim is the one that needs to provide evidence.  Until that happens the uncorroborated   fantastical claim should be treated as such. 



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Offline bigden40

Do you think there might be another reason not to post video etc at the moment - perhaps around actually telling the family of the victim before they see it on their phones?

The video is already widely shared, no putting that genie back in the bottle. 

Thankfully it appears that the victim has survived but remains in hospital.

The attacker is now confirmed as Sudanese and not Somalian as initially reported. 

Offline Jerboa

What I think is irrelevant. 

The person making the extraordinary claim is the one that needs to provide evidence.  Until that happens the uncorroborated   fantastical claim should be treated as such.

TBF Larry Johnson is a sound bloke, former CIA analyst, and State department counter terror task force, if he is claiming that, he got it from his sources.

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Utter barbaric footage from North Belfast of a Somali attacking a lad with a knife (attempted beheading) on the street. Brave neighbours used a hurely bat to stop the attack.
This was in a nationalist area of North Lodge, residents of the Shankill went last night to visit and give support to the locals, both communities are coming together. There is calls online of road closures all over NI tonight.

Any reason you picked up this knife attack rather than the several others in the news over the last few weeks?

But yes a horrific attack and well done to those who intervened and lets hope people stay calm.

Offline Jerboa

Any reason you picked up this knife attack rather than the several others in the news over the last few weeks?

But yes a horrific attack and well done to those who intervened and lets hope people stay calm.

Any reason why you are a idiot?  :rolleyes: The incident is all over social media and the news.  :rolleyes:

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Utter barbaric footage from North Belfast of a Somali attacking a lad with a knife (attempted beheading) on the street.

Absolutely horrific attack. If he survives, the facial injuries will be life changing. Sickening.

Many news sources are using the term 'beheaded' as you have done, but you will surely know that isn't an accurate assessment?

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Any reason why you are a idiot?  :rolleyes: The incident is all over social media and the news.  :rolleyes:

So have others been but you search worldwide for cases that support your agenda.  These attacks are sickening but the way the likes of you and your idols jump on them with seeming glee to support your abhorrent agendas is also sickening.

Offline webpunter

Do you think there might be another reason not to post video etc at the moment - perhaps around actually telling the family of the victim before they see it on their phones?

I'm sure the family will know about it & see footage
The reason is that the authorities want to try & minimize demonstrations adverse public reaction
& Starmer will be abundantly aware that yet another attack by an import with this not looking good for Labour's immigration policies

For all his words of horrific abhorrent sickening blah blah it is his party aren't just soft on immigration controls they are welcoming
Doing their very best to encourage a brown tide as he knows that in a few years the imports will be able to vote & are much more likely to vote for Labour
They'll hardly vote for Reform will they !

As well as an economic disaster there are real public safety issues & the security services are constantly stopping Mislamic terrorist efforts
Its not just high profile incidents like Belfast & Southampton
If you look on Sky News & other media brown people are incredibly well represented when it comes to crime
There are muslims attacking women not long after arriving in the country, to them its white meat which doesn't count
& how long does it take to deport them ?, there are wokey lawyers lining up to defend them motivated by lucrative fees paid for by us

The media are petrified to provide detail until everyone else does such as illegal / legal, skin colour & religion
Its not going to get better its just going to get a whole lot worse
Until migrants are made so unwelcome banged up in detention centres before being deported en masse there will be every motivation for them to come here
They're coached by people [at a fee] as to how to bend the system being persecuted at home being gay ... the list is endless

Unfortunately ICE will never happen here
A shame that the SPG were disbanded they could get right on it
Instead its a cozy welcome accomo food mobile phone voucher health care & an allowance why wouldn't they want to come here ?

There are no reliable statistics relating to crime incidents detailing ethnicity where people are from born here / born here from imports previously & migrants illegal & legal
Labour know that this will show a disaster area which keeps unfolding

Its not about skin colour its about behaviour & there is a higher % of brown & mislamics per capita who cause problems
Not all of them far from it however enough of a minority to cause a problem & a growing problem

IMO people attacked by imports where The Home Office have allowed them to stay and or not made enough effort to deport them should be able to sue them
This might make them take notice

Novac's father was very reserved in his comments i'm surprised he took the approach he did
He could have made it public that he will be taking legal action against the officers involved effectively finishing their careers [one jumped ship rapidly resigning] & suing Hampshire Police 

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Any reason you picked up this knife attack rather than the several others in the news over the last few weeks?



Jerboa is a right wing racist so fits his agenda  :rolleyes:

Aside from that Tommy Robinson is probably flying in as we speak to "peacefully" rally his patriots  :crazy:

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So have others been but you search worldwide for cases that support your agenda.  These attacks are sickening but the way the likes of you and your idols jump on them with seeming glee to support your abhorrent agendas is also sickening.

Fella I could have posted numerous incidents daily for you, there is no glee about it, just proves the point these barbarians need deporting.  :wacko:

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Jerboa is a right wing racist so fits his agenda  :rolleyes:

Aside from that Tommy Robinson is probably flying in as we speak to "peacefully" rally his patriots  :crazy:

I'm not racist, I hate everyone equally.  :D

Offline webpunter

Fella I could have posted numerous incidents daily for you, there is no glee about it, just proves the point these barbarians need deporting.  :wacko:

Its relentless
& its getting worse

Offline bigden40

TBF Larry Johnson is a sound bloke, former CIA analyst, and State department counter terror task force, if he is claiming that, he got it from his sources.

Sound guy?  I don’t think so.

That’ll be the same Larry Johnson with a long history of broadcasting “tales from my ass”?  The Larry Johnson that claimed that Michele Obama was on tape using pejoratives against white people, when no such tape exists?  The Larry Johnson who doctored audio files to spread fake war crimes allegations against John Kerry?  The Larry Johnson who claimed that British Intelligence wiretapped Donald Trump?

But sure, we should believe the guy who was a CIA analyst for 4 years 35 years ago, despite his track record of amplifying complete guff because he has “sources”.  :rolleyes:

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Presumably you rate him because he’s been the go to analyst for Russian state media over the last few years?

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Offline webpunter

I'm not racist, I hate everyone equally.  :D

What are you like ?  :D

As i made the point IMO its behaviour not skin colour
Tho the brown stats don't make for good reading
Some EE countries like Albania the same - 1 in 50 males here are banged up - and these are only the ones the rozzers have managed to apprehend

Religion does come into it mislamics are much more likely to be mysogonists their attitudes to women are often medieval
Treating their own wives like dirt make them cover themselves up do their best to limit their education so what's their approach to what they regard  as white meat likely to be ?
& don't forget that Mislamic societies Champions League material when it comes to FGM

If people think that the British are racist towards Mislamics they should take a look at what Hindus & Sihks think of them, they make us look positively pleasant

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Sound guy?  I don’t think so.

That’ll be the same Larry Johnson with a long history of broadcasting “tales from my ass”?  The Larry Johnson that claimed that Michele Obama was on tape using pejoratives against white people, when no such tape exists?  The Larry Johnson who doctored audio files to spread fake war crimes allegations against John Kerry?  The Larry Johnson who claimed that British Intelligence wiretapped Donald Trump? What do you think the Steele dossier was? they might have used a (former MI6) officer, but guaranteed British intelligence was all over that. Understand how the 5 eyes use each others intel agencies in each others countries so they can deny any action.

But sure, we should believe the guy who was a CIA analyst for 4 years 35 years ago, despite his track record of amplifying complete guff because he has “sources”.  :rolleyes:

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Presumably you rate him because he’s been the go to analyst for Russian state media over the last few years?

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Fella I could have posted numerous incidents daily for you, there is no glee about it, just proves the point these barbarians need deporting.  :wacko:

I am not disputing the number of incidents, it is your selection criteria for the ones that are hyped up and your motivation for selecting them that is (to say the least) dubious.  Tragedy is being used for political gain and to drive division and hatred - ironic as that causes more violence.

How are you defining barbarians by the way?  I think we are all on common ground that people who make knife attacks like the one in this incident are barbarians and should be jailed and if not UK citizens should be deported.  That is not contentious.  I assume you have some way of determining who the barbarians are before they make attacks and want to deport them - how is that selection made?  Will that pick up the majority of knife attacks that are made by UK citizens, many of them white?

Do you mean deporting illegals?  Again I think most of us agree and that is not contentious - although getting the system to work seems harder than it should be.  I assume you are pleased the government have made progress there and hope that they get even better.  However again illegals are not a factor in a majority of knife attacks.

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What are you like ?  :D

As i made the point IMO its behaviour not skin colour
Tho the brown stats don't make for good reading
Some EE countries like Albania the same - 1 in 50 males here are banged up - and these are only the ones the rozzers have managed to apprehend

Religion does come into it mislamics are much more likely to be mysogonists their attitudes to women are often medieval
Treating their own wives like dirt make them cover themselves up do their best to limit their education so what's their approach to what they regard  as white meat likely to be ?
& don't forget that Mislamic societies Champions League material when it comes to FGM

If people think that the British are racist towards Mislamics they should take a look at what Hindus & Sihks think of them, they make us look positively pleasant I have Sikh friends, and yes they are not fond of Pakistanis.

I don't give a shit being called a racist tbf, the use of that term has caused the death of people, including the poor kids at the Manchester arena bombing, Southport massacre, Henry Nowak, Nottingham massacre, and numerous others.
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Sound guy?  I don’t think so.

That’ll be the same Larry Johnson with a long history of broadcasting “tales from my ass”?  The Larry Johnson that claimed that Michele Obama was on tape using pejoratives against white people, when no such tape exists?  The Larry Johnson who doctored audio files to spread fake war crimes allegations against John Kerry?  The Larry Johnson who claimed that British Intelligence wiretapped Donald Trump?

But sure, we should believe the guy who was a CIA analyst for 4 years 35 years ago, despite his track record of amplifying complete guff because he has “sources”.  :rolleyes:

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Presumably you rate him because he’s been the go to analyst for Russian state media over the last few years?

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1st off are these links even safe to click ?

2nd my god, is this where you get your information from ?

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The Stormont press conference stated the Sudanese migrant flew from Paris to Dublin, then in April 2023 claimed asylum when he got to Belfast.

It has been said before that Ireland is a back door for illegal migrants, because of our common travel area. How can a Sudanese passport holder get on a flight to Dublin? You need to apply for a tourist visa in your home country or country you have legal residency in, so the ROI Immigration site says. External Link/Members Only

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1st off are these links even safe to click ?

2nd my god, is this where you get your information from ?

The irony  :lol:

And what the fuck are you even on about?  Business Times is the Singapore equivalent of the FT, I could have picked any one of a dozen articles about that and Voice of America is the US largest international broadcaster, pretty much the US equivalent of BBC World Service. 

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The irony  :lol:

And what the fuck are you even on about?  Business Times is the Singapore equivalent of the FT, I could have picked any one of a dozen articles about that and Voice of America is the US largest international broadcaster, pretty much the US equivalent of BBC World Service.
then you wonder why your world view is so out of date and so out of touch

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then you wonder why your world view is so out of date and so out of touch

Oh wow, I’m cut to the bone by your incisive wit  :rolleyes: