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Found this interview with Anthony Beevor quite interesting.  Basically talking about the things in Russia’s history that make them very different to the rest of Europe.

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Don’t want to answer for Jerboa,

Feel free. He clearly has no intention of replying himself ;) :D

Thanks for the link. They are valid observations which I cannot disagree with in principle. It assumes though that an ambulance/paramedic was in attendance, but they were not and as in my previous posts, I do not know why they were not, nor the timing of when they (presumably) finally arrived on scene?

I think he was foolish to try and give a percentage survival figure though. He won't know all the detail nor have seen the pathologist report. He will only know what we know. Interesting also that Southampton A&E is only circa three mins away at night.

It is all speculation and as you say we must all wait for the inquest  :hi:

EDIT I just looked up when the inquest is and it is scheduled for September 2027! More broken Britain.

They hope to move it forward



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On the basis that it was that or nothing, I would imagine they were pretty pleased. The Russians  have been exposed as rather less of a threat to NATO than was previously thought.
Russia was never a threat to the countries in NATO.
NATO is the threat and always has been .
An organisation run by the country which is perpetually meddling overseas and which uses every means at its disposal to force the rest of the world into supporting its agenda.

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Yes, I agree that would be expected best practice and duty of care.

In my question though I said if you were a police officer. So do you feel you your actions would have been different because of a College of Policing document on racism?

Do you have a source for that?  :hi:

If I was a indoctrinated constable, who believes the race action plan or believes I may lose my career if I don't follow it I may have acted lie the constables did.

Don’t want to answer for Jerboa, but we are relying on the pathologist autopsy assessment that the wounds were unsurvivable and I have seen the counter-argument made by a reasonably credentialed doctor.

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Dr Magier is the lead for paediatric critical care on the Isle of Wight, with specific training in advanced trauma care (including battlefield medicine, gunshot, and stab wounds). He has reviewed the bodycam footage and available autopsy details and his key points are:

- Henry was still conscious, speaking loudly, and not in a terminal state when police arrived (~7 minutes after the call, ~35+ minutes post-stabbing overall). This suggests he had not yet decompensated fully.

- Proper initial management (believing him, avoiding rough handling/handcuffing with arms behind back, allowing a supported position, immediate ambulance call) could have stabilised him enough for hospital transfer.

- Paramedics could have provided IV fluids, tranexamic acid (to help clotting), needle decompression if needed for tension pneumothorax/hemothorax, and rapid transport. Hospital thoracic surgery could then address the bleeding.

He estimates ~50% survival chance with optimal pre-hospital care (vs. police response). Handcuffing and manhandling likely worsened breathing, circulation, and bleeding by compressing the chest and preventing proper positioning

I’m in no position to judge but I guess this will be tested at inquest?

Yes that was one of the reports I was alluding to, I don't trust the pathologists verdict, likely he has a close relationship with the Hampshire constabulary, he didn't want to rock the boat.

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Do you believe the utter crap that you write?

You are very naive.  :hi:

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You are very naive.  :hi:

Well that is better than being stupid enough to believe any old crap I read on the internet. I suggest you just sit somewhere quiet for a few hours and think around what you suggested and perhaps you might realise why it is nonsense.

Offline DastardlyDick

Feel free. He clearly has no intention of replying himself ;) :D

Thanks for the link. They are valid observations which I cannot disagree with in principle. It assumes though that an ambulance/paramedic was in attendance, but they were not and as in my previous posts, I do not know why they were not, nor the timing of when they (presumably) finally arrived on scene?

I think he was foolish to try and give a percentage survival figure though. He won't know all the detail nor have seen the pathologist report. He will only know what we know. Interesting also that Southampton A&E is only circa three mins away at night.

It is all speculation and as you say we must all wait for the inquest  :hi:

EDIT I just looked up when the inquest is and it is scheduled for September 2027! More broken Britain.

They hope to move it forward

The Coroner has already carried out an Inquest and then adjourned it so that the body can be released to the family for burial. It's now an Article 2 ECHR Inquest which is a systematic Investigation into State failings - the last one was about the Hillsborough disaster, after an initial "misadventure" verdict. The good thing is that nobody can use the "self incrimination" defence. The bad news is that it precludes a judicial enquiry. If you would like to see the full explanation, search YT for "the art of Law".

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Russia was never a threat to the countries in NATO.
NATO is the threat and always has been .
An organisation run by the country which is perpetually meddling overseas and which uses every means at its disposal to force the rest of the world into supporting its agenda.

If only we could all understand the big picture of geopolitical affairs like you do. You've already announced, on several occasions, how the rest of us are misled by the minefield of misinformation, and yet you consistently find a way to navigate to the truth. Please, will you share with us how you do it?

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So in your experience of traumatic first aid, had you been one of the officers attending and faced with an this injured person would you have treated him the way they did?
Having done the Police ELS Course (not First Aid) a few years ago, what should have happened is that as soon as Henry Nowak said he'd been stabbed one of the Officers should have checked him over for injuries on a "skin to skin" basis - there is (believe it or not) a set procedure for this, which is why Nowak was asked "where". The failings started after the lead Officer said "I don't think so mate" and didn't check him and/or have an Ambulance called to carry out checks. However, this is a Policy, so it may vary from Force to Force, regardless of what the College of Policing or the NPCC may say.
The 999 call made by the murderers family was (IMO) a masterpiece in deception - I wonder if he'd done something similar before, with less serious outcomes?
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Having done the Police ELS Course (not First Aid) a few years ago, what should have happened is that as soon as Henry Nowak said he'd been stabbed one of the Officers should have checked him over for injuries on a "skin to skin" basis - there is (believe it or not) a set procedure for this, which is why Nowak was asked "where". The failings started after the lead Officer said "I don't think so mate" and didn't check him and/or have an Ambulance called to carry out checks. However, this is a Policy, so it may vary from Force to Force, regardless of what the College of Policing or the NPCC may say.
The 999 call made by the murderers family was (IMO) a masterpiece in deception - I wonder if he'd done something similar before, with less serious outcomes?

It was not a masterpiece in deception. It was the predictable behaviour of low IQ thickos who have been taught to play the race card in all circumstances. That policeman is a coward and a disgrace and should get on his knees and pray to God for forgiveness because he won't get any from English men or women.

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Russia was never a threat to the countries in NATO.
NATO is the threat and always has been .
An organisation run by the country which is perpetually meddling overseas and which uses every means at its disposal to force the rest of the world into supporting its agenda.

Yep. Russia does not give a toss about the UK and never has, beyond the occasional assassination just to taunt us that we no longer have any muscle on the world stage. NATO will probably collapse now. Which means the welfare state *may* also collapse, as nations won't be able to fund the insane benefits and freebies now they can no longer leech of the US for NATO support.

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You are very naive.  :hi:

He's only naive if he believes the utter crap you write

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If only we could all understand the big picture of geopolitical affairs like you do. You've already announced, on several occasions, how the rest of us are misled by the minefield of misinformation, and yet you consistently find a way to navigate to the truth. Please, will you share with us how you do it?

It's because to him truth is subjective, so that whenever he arrives at an answer it is - as far as he's concerned - his truth irrespective of objective reality

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Possibly as a result of last night's QT.

The poor Reform lad was completely out of his depth compared to the experienced campaigner Andy Burnham.
He was like a lamb to the slaughter.

Not sure why. All you have to do is say on repeat that Labour want open borders, men in women's toilets, the insane green agenda, and covered up Pakistani grape gangs and they have no retort. Also say on repeat that Burnham is a Fabian communist and then have 2-3 examples if why that is dangerous.

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Yes that was one of the reports I was alluding to, I don't trust the pathologists verdict, likely he has a close relationship with the Hampshire constabulary, he didn't want to rock the boat.

"You don't trust the pathologists verdict....."     And what is your particular level of qualification in pathology, or anatomy, or medicine?

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That policeman is a coward and a disgrace and should get on his knees and pray to God for forgiveness because he won't get any from English men or women.

Statements like that will ensure that his name is never released - he might even be given a new Identity under Article 2, although I agree that, on current evidence, he, and Hampshire Police, should be subject to an intensive enquiry regarding training and policy as an absolute minimum.


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"You don't trust the pathologists verdict....."     And what is your particular level of qualification in pathology, or anatomy, or medicine?

The last paragraph of Dr Magier's article was damning. It now comes out today that Hamps police wanted to make a statement on the case during the trial, and that after three days after the murder, someone in the police wanted to make Henry into the aggressor, so you wonder why I and many others might have cause to believe the pathologist might not be on the level.  :unknown:

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I’m afraid the Judge and pathologist were too lenient toward the police. If the police had immediately called an ambulance and paramedics, his chances of survival would have been vastly greater. Above all, without his arms twisted behind his back, the bleeding would have been slower; paramedics would have hooked up an IV to increase circulating blood volume, given tranexamic acid to stabilise the clot, inserted a large-bore needle to decompress the lung—the problem isn’t lack of lung function, but the pressure from the blood-filled lung on the heart and mediastinum, which blocks circulation.

To put it briefly: if paramedics had found Henry at the same time instead of police officers, his chances of survival would have been over 50%.”

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Statements like that will ensure that his name is never released - he might even be given a new Identity under Article 2, although I agree that, on current evidence, he, and Hampshire Police, should be subject to an intensive enquiry regarding training and policy as an absolute minimum.

That's fine. He'll have to answer eventually for what he did.

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The last paragraph of Dr Magier's article was damning. It now comes out today that Hamps police wanted to make a statement on the case during the trial, and that after three days after the murder, someone in the police wanted to make Henry into the aggressor, so you wonder why I and many others might have cause to believe the pathologist might not be on the level.  :unknown:

The pathologist did the examination and clearly stated that given the knife injury there was no chance of survival.
I think I'll take his word over that of someone who hasn't even seen the body, let alone examined it.
You're just shit stirring again

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The last paragraph of Dr Magier's article was damning. It now comes out today that Hamps police wanted to make a statement on the case during the trial, and that after three days after the murder, someone in the police wanted to make Henry into the aggressor, so you wonder why I and many others might have cause to believe the pathologist might not be on the level.  :unknown:

A lot of people have trouble even considering the idea that their own government hates them. And the idea that this ruling class would very deliberately subject them to all the horrors that we have seen - rape gangs, bombings, beheadings, white kids getting dragged across gravel and left to bleed out etc etc etc - is just too much for them. So they retreat to name-calling and arguments of authority. None so blind.

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If I was a indoctrinated constable, who believes the race action plan or believes I may lose my career if I don't follow it I may have acted lie the constables did.

I usually prefer to give a reasoned response, but frankly that is just nonsense. I don't believe for one minute you would have acted the
way he did.

Yes that was one of the reports I was alluding to, I don't trust the pathologists verdict, likely he has a close relationship with the Hampshire constabulary, he didn't want to rock the boat.

Did you not read the Judges Sentencing Remarks? The pathologist was female.

Given the high profile nature of this case it would be professional suicide to not produce an accurate pathologist report especially knowing that it would be heavily scrutinised by others.

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The Coroner has already carried out an Inquest and then adjourned it so that the body can be released to the family for burial. It's now an Article 2 ECHR Inquest which is a systematic Investigation into State failings - the last one was about the Hillsborough disaster, after an initial "misadventure" verdict. The good thing is that nobody can use the "self incrimination" defence. The bad news is that it precludes a judicial enquiry. If you would like to see the full explanation, search YT for "the art of Law".

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The last paragraph of Dr Magier's article was damning.

The last paragraph in the link was this.

"Dr Magier also emphasised that he does not consider himself a super-expert in this field. He simply reacted to a statement that he considered medically incorrect. He appeals to calm down, stop speculations and wait for the coroner’s court verdict"

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Anybody see Trump walk out of his last interview because the lady asking the questions kept pressing him to supply evidence on the claims he makes about rigged elections. 😂

I find him fascinating I have to say. A gormless lying twat of a man and yet his cult followers think he’s brilliant.

Can only happen in America  :D :lol:
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The pathologist did the examination and clearly stated that given the knife injury there was no chance of survival.
I think I'll take his word over that of someone who hasn't even seen the body, let alone examined it.
You're just shit stirring again

If here was no chance of survival then doesnt that make the police action in handcuffing etc even more bizarre and unacceptable  ?

While I wouldn't expect a PC to realise that a wound wasnt survivable I would hope any of us let alone a trained PC would recognise it as a non-trivial injury

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Russia was never a threat to the countries in NATO.
It now seems that this is/was the case, however, the threat was based on the assumption that the Soviets/Russians took as much care of mothballed vehicles as Western Forces - the US Military spends millions on it every year - as it turns out, due to the endemic corruption in the Soviet/Russian Military, it never happened.

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The last paragraph in the link was this.

"Dr Magier also emphasised that he does not consider himself a super-expert in this field. He simply reacted to a statement that he considered medically incorrect. He appeals to calm down, stop speculations and wait for the coroner’s court verdict"

Sound advice but the problem is that is exactly people believe  the "establishment" rely on, stifle opinions now and in a year we will hold an inquest as quietly as possible, claim that lessons have been learnt, allow a few people to retire early and continue the same r 

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Russia was never a threat to the countries in NATO..
An organisation run by the country which is perpetually meddling overseas and which uses every means at its disposal to force the rest of the world into supporting its agenda.

The assumption was that the Soviet/Russian Military looked after mothballed vehicles to the same standard as Western Forces - the US Military spends millions on it every year - as the War in Ukraine has revealed, due to the endemic corruption in Soviet/Russian forces, it never took place.
To be fair both the US and the Soviets/Russians can both be accused of meddling overseas, they just had slightly different ways of doing it/


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Anybody see Trump walk out of his last interview because the lady asking the questions kept pressing him to supply evidence on the claims he makes about rigged elections. 😂

I find him fascinating I have to say. A gormless lying twat of a man and yet his cult followers think he’s brilliant.

Can only happen in America  :D :lol:

Your framing suggests that you haven’t actually watched it, just read reporting of it.

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If here was no chance of survival then doesnt that make the police action in handcuffing etc even more bizarre and unacceptable  ?

While I wouldn't expect a PC to realise that a wound wasnt survivable I would hope any of us let alone a trained PC would recognise it as a non-trivial injury

Internal haemorrhaging, not obvious externally. Fatal amount of blood lost into the chest cavity, and a damaged major blood vessel that would have been inaccessible.
Quite possible that there may have been no obvious external signs of blood loss, though you'd expect problems with breathing / heart rate / low blood pressure / consciousness

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Sound advice but the problem is that is exactly people believe  the "establishment" rely on, stifle opinions now and in a year we will hold an inquest as quietly as possible, claim that lessons have been learnt, allow a few people to retire early and continue the same r

I believe the inquest has been set for September 2027.

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Don’t want to answer for Jerboa, but we are relying on the pathologist autopsy assessment that the wounds were unsurvivable and I have seen the counter-argument made by a reasonably credentialed doctor.

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Dr Magier is the lead for paediatric critical care on the Isle of Wight, with specific training in advanced trauma care (including battlefield medicine, gunshot, and stab wounds). He has reviewed the bodycam footage and available autopsy details and his key points are:

- Henry was still conscious, speaking loudly, and not in a terminal state when police arrived (~7 minutes after the call, ~35+ minutes post-stabbing overall). This suggests he had not yet decompensated fully.

- Proper initial management (believing him, avoiding rough handling/handcuffing with arms behind back, allowing a supported position, immediate ambulance call) could have stabilised him enough for hospital transfer.

- Paramedics could have provided IV fluids, tranexamic acid (to help clotting), needle decompression if needed for tension pneumothorax/hemothorax, and rapid transport. Hospital thoracic surgery could then address the bleeding.

He estimates ~50% survival chance with optimal pre-hospital care (vs. police response). Handcuffing and manhandling likely worsened breathing, circulation, and bleeding by compressing the chest and preventing proper positioning

I’m in no position to judge but I guess this will be tested at inquest?

I find it worrying that this medic can give a ~50% survival chance when he doesn't actually know the full detail of the injuries sustained (bodycam footage really isn't enough). It makes me wonder if he is just trying to get his name out there without suitable regard and respect for Henry or his family. 

An independent medical assessment by an agreed team of trauma experts needs to be done, and their report recognised accordingly.

This is a tragic event. Politically, Musk's and JD Vance's contributions are the last thing it needs. Vance, especially, needs to focus on US internal affairs, and not try to use this event as a vehicle to spread his hate in the UK. Somewhere, I saw him referred to as 'Trump's attack poodle'. A description that seems on the money.
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Internal haemorrhaging, not obvious externally. Fatal amount of blood lost into the chest cavity, and a damaged major blood vessel that would have been inaccessible.
Quite possible that there may have been no obvious external signs of blood loss, though you'd expect problems with breathing / heart rate / low blood pressure / consciousness
With a narrow blade )or a bullet) it is quite possible to inflict major internal damage without major external bleeding  - however the reports I have seen do not describe this as a stilletto

while I would not expect a PC to diagnose internal damage and bleeding please note that wasnt the bar I set or would expect a PC to judge

I said it should have been obvious straightaway that this was  a non trivial injury and when he said I've been stabbed  and even a cursory examination with an open mind should have triggered a different response 
 

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I find it worrying that this medic can give a ~50% survival chance when he doesn't actually know the full detail of the injuries sustained (bodycam footage really isn't enough). It makes me wonder if he is just trying to get his name out there without suitable regard and respect for Henry or his family. 

An independent medical assessment by an agreed team of trauma experts needs to be done, and their report recognised accordingly.

This is a tragic event. Politically, Musk's and JD Vance's contributions are the last thing it needs. Vance, especially, needs to focus on US internal affairs, and not try to use this event as a vehicle to spread his hate in the UK. Somewhere, I saw him referred to as 'Trump's attack poodle'. A description that seems on the money.

I’m not a fan of foreign politicians wading in with semi-informed views on such matters. That said, our lot aren’t any better when it comes to commenting on matters in other countries either.

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If here was no chance of survival then doesnt that make the police action in handcuffing etc even more bizarre and unacceptable  ?

While I wouldn't expect a PC to realise that a wound wasnt survivable I would hope any of us let alone a trained PC would recognise it as a non-trivial injury

That’s a post-mortem assessment based on the state of the body at the time of the autopsy, and not something that would have been obvious to the officers responding. 

The point being made in relation to the injuries is whether they were survivable at the time the officers arrived on scene or whether their treatment of him contributed to that e.g. a vein that had been pierced by the blade may have ruptured as a result of him being manhandled and having his hands cuffed behind his back. 

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Anybody see Trump walk out of his last interview because the lady asking the questions kept pressing him to supply evidence on the claims he makes about rigged elections. 😂

I find him fascinating I have to say. A gormless lying twat of a man and yet his cult followers think he’s brilliant.

Can only happen in America  :D :lol:

Not half so gormless as the purple haired lunatics on the other side who want men in women's toilets and open borders.

You suffer from TDS and El Trumpo lives in your head rent free 24/7 365.

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Not half so gormless as the purple haired lunatics on the other side who want men in women's toilets and open borders.

You suffer from TDS and El Trumpo lives in your head rent free 24/7 365.


😂😂😂.        I love it. The idiots who spout on as if TDS is a real thing and not simply another Trump made up deflection.
I suffer from nothing me old mate. I just have a different view of the orange clown than you do.

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Your framing suggests that you haven’t actually watched it, just read reporting of it.

I suggest your suggestion is wrong.

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I suggest your suggestion is wrong.

No worries. If you watched the whole thing and came to that conclusion then more power to you.  :thumbsup:

I saw him give a long and substantive interview (50 minutes) to an interviewer that was hostile and attempting to score political points throughout, she continually interrupted and talked over him and towards the end he got pissed off and called an end to the interview. 

At the time he was pointing out the absurdity of the elections in California where postal ballots are arriving for several days after election day and the count is still not resolved and suggesting that’s improper. Claiming there's no evidence in relation to that when those late postal ballots are being used to squeeze out the Republican candidates is not a good response.   There may or may not be a lack of integrity in the California process but it doesn’t look good and it’s not unreasonable to call it out - the interviewer isn’t meant to be the Democrat spokesperson.

I also don’t remember Joe Biden or Barack Obama being subjected to a hostile interview like that on mainstream media. This wasn’t Paxman or Andrew Neill tough questioning, it was more Cathy Newman.
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Yes he was not great, obviously not used to debating, he looked nervous, he was given a struggle session over his decades old social media posts, he would have been better off just telling them to stick it up their jacksy.

He said they were decades old, many of the worst were 2 years old.

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And I imagine that’s also true of Reform councillors, no?  Some good ones, some shit ones.

If you find a good one do let the party know their vetting failed.

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Um, why does he have white paint on his clothes but no red? Fucking hell AI is just so shit.

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No worries. If you watched the whole thing and came to that conclusion then more power to you.  :thumbsup:

I saw him give a long and substantive interview (50 minutes) to an interviewer that was hostile and attempting to score political points throughout, she continually interrupted and talked over him and towards the end he got pissed off and called an end to the interview. 

At the time he was pointing out the absurdity of the elections in California where postal ballots are arriving for several days after election day and the count is still not resolved and suggesting that’s improper. Claiming there's no evidence in relation to that when those late postal ballots are being used to squeeze out the Republican candidates is not a good response.   There may or may not be a lack of integrity in the California process but it doesn’t look good and it’s not unreasonable to call it out - the interviewer isn’t meant to be the Democrat spokesperson.

I also don’t remember Joe Biden or Barack Obama being subjected to a hostile interview like that on mainstream media. This wasn’t Paxman or Andrew Neill tough questioning, it was more Cathy Newman.

Would also add, that by walking off when he did he has basically forced the entire media to cover his comments about election integrity in California. 

Wouldn’t surprise me if this wasn’t spontaneous either.  Whether you like him or not he does a sterling job of framing the media cycle with a MSM that is mostly hostile to him.

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No worries. If you watched the whole thing and came to that conclusion then more power to you.  :thumbsup:

I saw him give a long and substantive interview (50 minutes) to an interviewer that was hostile and attempting to score political points throughout, she continually interrupted and talked over him and towards the end he got pissed off and called an end to the interview. 

At the time he was pointing out the absurdity of the elections in California where postal ballots are arriving for several days after election day and the count is still not resolved and suggesting that’s improper. Claiming there's no evidence in relation to that when those late postal ballots are being used to squeeze out the Republican candidates is not a good response.   There may or may not be a lack of integrity in the California process but it doesn’t look good and it’s not unreasonable to call it out - the interviewer isn’t meant to be the Democrat spokesperson.

I also don’t remember Joe Biden or Barack Obama being subjected to a hostile interview like that on mainstream media. This wasn’t Paxman or Andrew Neill tough questioning, it was more Cathy Newman.

Why do Trumpettes (Just as good an analogy as TDS) keep bleating on about Biden and Obama.

The main differences between Trump and Obama is crystal clear. One could answer questions asked of him without resorting to calling the interviewer crooked and stupid.

Thank-you though for allowing me to come to my own conclusions over what I watched. 😂

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If you find a good one do let the party know their vetting failed.
They have vetting?

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Yep. Russia does not give a toss about the UK and never has, beyond the occasional assassination just to taunt us that we no longer have any muscle on the world stage. NATO will probably collapse now. Which means the welfare state *may* also collapse, as nations won't be able to fund the insane benefits and freebies now they can no longer leech of the US for NATO support.
NATO isn't there for the benefit of any country .
It's there for the benefit of the arms manufacturers .
Leech off the US ........ :lol:
It's a scam

Online mills_and_bhuna

The assumption was that the Soviet/Russian Military looked after mothballed vehicles to the same standard as Western Forces - the US Military spends millions on it every year - as the War in Ukraine has revealed, due to the endemic corruption in Soviet/Russian forces, it never took place.
To be fair both the US and the Soviets/Russians can both be accused of meddling overseas, they just had slightly different ways of doing it/
You and I clearly have a different idea of what the word 'slightly' means.

Online Stevelondon

Would also add, that by walking off when he did he has basically forced the entire media to cover his comments about election integrity in California. 

Wouldn’t surprise me if this wasn’t spontaneous either.  Whether you like him or not he does a sterling job of framing the media cycle with a MSM that is mostly hostile to him.

You love that word framing don’t you 😂

A sterling job eh !

I very much doubt that. He habitually stops answering questions that he can’t answer, sometimes ending the interview or more likely to call the journalist crooked or fake then moving on to take a question from a tame press member.

Like I said. I find him totally fascinating but not in a good way.
Still……….. as an example of how to blatantly enrich yourself in office. There’s been no one better. 🤷🏼

Online mills_and_bhuna

If only we could all understand the big picture of geopolitical affairs like you do. You've already announced, on several occasions, how the rest of us are misled by the minefield of misinformation, and yet you consistently find a way to navigate to the truth. Please, will you share with us how you do it?
I've already given you plenty of pointers.
Here's a shortcut though.
If an American politician stresses something numerous times it will invariably be a whopper of a lie.
And if they tell you it requires military action and sanctions there's the clincher.