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Offline Squire Haggard

Yesterday, Sky News did an item on the Makerfield by-election. They have to show a list of all the candidates, for balance. Here's a screenshot of their first page out of two.
It looks like they dont like Restore.  :rolleyes:

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Offline Jerboa

Yesterday, Sky News did an item on the Makerfield by-election. They have to show a list of all the candidates, for balance. Here's a screenshot of their first page out of two.
It looks like they dont like Restore.  :rolleyes:

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No surprise, they hate Restore, just like last night, where bbc didn't invite Restore's candidate to the QT panel, but had libtards and greens.

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No surprise, they hate Restore, just like last night, where bbc didn't invite Restore's candidate to the QT panel, but had libtards and greens.
Interesting. I've opted out of the BBC licence, but I see that its on YouTube. I'll watch it later.

Offline Vice Admiral

It gets worse and worse, for those of us who (on this one occasion) want a Reform UK victory in the Makerfield by-election so that the upstart Burnham doesn't make it into the House of Commons and (almost certainly) into 10 Downing Street.

According to today's Times, in 2016 "Reform UK’s by-election candidate in Makerfield criticised Brexiteers for peddling  ‘nationalist pish’ and warned leaving the EU would inflict economic harm on the country.”  Not quite what your average Reform voter wants to hear.

Meanwhile, though the Greens now have a new candidate, “Party sources have privately decided to run a limited campaign in the Makerfield by-election after concerns were raised about splitting the left-wing vote and making it easier for a Reform MP to win.”

So, more lefties for Burnham.  Fewer right-wingers for Reform UK.

I’ll be astonished if Burnham doesn’t win.

Meanwhile, according to a report today on the BBC website, the latest Survation poll in Makerfield has Labour now soaring ahead of Reform.  Labour is at 49%, Reform UK is at 39% and Restore Britain is at 8%.  (A poll in the Sunday Times 12 days ago had Labour on 43%, Reform UK on 40%, Restore Britain on 7%.)

Unless Farage’s comments about the Henry Nowak case bring right-wingers back to Reform – as was probably partly his motive for intervening – Rupert Lowe’s party will have seen to it that this by-election will not in the end be a close race.  The bookies currently have Labour at odds like 1/5 and 1/7, with Reform typically around 4/1.

Oh dear.  The upstart Burnham will be in 10 Downing Street by the autumn.

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Meanwhile, according to a report today on the BBC website, the latest Survation poll in Makerfield has Labour now soaring ahead of Reform.  Labour is at 49%, Reform UK is at 39% and Restore Britain is at 8%.  (A poll in the Sunday Times 12 days ago had Labour on 43%, Reform UK on 40%, Restore Britain on 7%.)

Unless Farage’s comments about the Henry Nowak case bring right-wingers back to Reform – as was probably partly his motive for intervening – Rupert Lowe’s party will have seen to it that this by-election will not in the end be a close race.  The bookies currently have Labour at odds like 1/5 and 1/7, with Reform typically around 4/1.

Oh dear.  The upstart Burnham will be in 10 Downing Street by the autumn.

Possibly as a result of last night's QT.

The poor Reform lad was completely out of his depth compared to the experienced campaigner Andy Burnham.
He was like a lamb to the slaughter.

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Possibly as a result of last night's QT.
The poor Reform lad was completely out of his depth compared to the experienced campaigner Andy Burnham.
He was like a lamb to the slaughter.

I didn't see it, but I can well imagine!

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Meanwhile, according to a report today on the BBC website, the latest Survation poll in Makerfield has Labour now soaring ahead of Reform.  Labour is at 49%, Reform UK is at 39% and Restore Britain is at 8%.  (A poll in the Sunday Times 12 days ago had Labour on 43%, Reform UK on 40%, Restore Britain on 7%.)

Unless Farage’s comments about the Henry Nowak case bring right-wingers back to Reform – as was probably partly his motive for intervening – Rupert Lowe’s party will have seen to it that this by-election will not in the end be a close race.  The bookies currently have Labour at odds like 1/5 and 1/7, with Reform typically around 4/1.

Oh dear.  The upstart Burnham will be in 10 Downing Street by the autumn.

Devil is in the detail.  Survation is a reasonably reliable pollster, but this poll has quite a small sample size and is based on fieldwork that predates the Henry Nowak issue blowing up. The previous Survation poll actually showed a bigger lead for Burnham, so he’s trending the wrong way.

By-elections are notoriously impacted by poor turnout which makes them much harder to poll.
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Offline Jerboa

Possibly as a result of last night's QT.

The poor Reform lad was completely out of his depth compared to the experienced campaigner Andy Burnham.
He was like a lamb to the slaughter.

Yes he was not great, obviously not used to debating, he looked nervous, he was given a struggle session over his decades old social media posts, he would have been better off just telling them to stick it up their jacksy.

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BBC News - How Trump’s White House ballroom plan has doubled in size and cost - BBC News
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I reckon it doesn't get finished in Trump's presidency and is scrapped by the next president

It's not just a ballroom - according to Trump, it's going to have 6 stories underground to house the President and a garrison.
If you believe the conspiracy theories,  Trump will use it to hang on to the Presidency if/when he gets voted out in 2028.

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It's not just a ballroom - according to Trump, it's going to have 6 stories underground to house the President and a garrison.
If you believe the conspiracy theories,  Trump will use it to hang on to the Presidency if/when he gets voted out in 2028.
Here's a conspiracy theory.
It's a data centre which will be used to keep tabs on the American people.
Just to make sure they behave, pay their taxes, don't protest against war, or criticise Israel
Sounds more plausible than Trump doing a paso doble.

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Here's a conspiracy theory.
It's a data centre which will be used to keep tabs on the American people.
Just to make sure they behave, pay their taxes, don't protest against war, or criticise Israel
Sounds more plausible than Trump doing a paso doble.

You’re as bad as each other. 

There’s already secure communications facilities and a bunker under the White House - the Situation Room, the Presidential Emergency Operations Centre, etc.   these facilities are fairly old. 

In rebuilding the East Wing it absolutely makes sense to upgrade those facilities under the ballroom. This should be one of the least controversial things he’s doing but the incessant need to oppose everything he does leads people to get in a frenzy about it. 

AFAIK this will barely complete before he finishes his term so he’s not really doing it for his own benefit. 

And he’s absolutely right that the facilities in the White House are not fit for purpose for State events. 

Offline Blackpool Rock

Possibly as a result of last night's QT.

The poor Reform lad was completely out of his depth compared to the experienced campaigner Andy Burnham.
He was like a lamb to the slaughter.
I believe that a lot of the Reform councillors etc who have been elected are also finding themselves out of their depth

Basically they were OK when campaigning and knocking on doors in poor working class areas whipping up support blaming brown people for everything but now they are in office they actually have to do and run stuff however most of them aren't actually bright enough to hack it  :hi:   

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I believe that a lot of the Reform councillors etc who have been elected are also finding themselves out of their depth
Basically they were OK when campaigning and knocking on doors in poor working class areas whipping up support blaming brown people for everything but now they are in office they actually have to do and run stuff however most of them aren't actually bright enough to hack it  :hi:

A YouGov poll published on 21 January 2026 asked, “Thinking specifically about your own constituency, if there were a general election held tomorrow and these were the parties standing, which party would you vote for?”

The figures for those of varying levels of educational attainment were:

High level of educational attainment (degree or higher) – Labour 25%, Conservative 16%, Reform UK 13%

Low level of educational attainment (GCSE or lower) – Labour 12%, Conservative 21%, Reform UK 42%. 

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Possibly as a result of last night's QT.

The poor Reform lad was completely out of his depth compared to the experienced campaigner Andy Burnham.
He was like a lamb to the slaughter.

Might not do him too much damage. Viewing figures - as far as I know - have been declining for years, and most of those viewing would never dream of voting Tory or Reform anyway.

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I believe that a lot of the Reform councillors etc who have been elected are also finding themselves out of their depth

Basically they were OK when campaigning and knocking on doors in poor working class areas whipping up support blaming brown people for everything but now they are in office they actually have to do and run stuff however most of them aren't actually bright enough to hack it  :hi:

And all those superior councillors they replaced were doing such a great job before.   :dash:

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And all those superior councillors they replaced were doing such a great job before.   :dash:

There are quite a few excellent local councillors, Tory, Labour and Libdem, who do a good job with little recognition.  It is a shame that local elections rarely reflect local issues and the actual performance of councillors.  Of course there are also some shit ones!

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Fraser Nelson, who writes the lead opinion piece every week in Saturday's Times and was editor of the Spectator from 2009 to 2024, is by no conceivable definition a leftie.

Here are a few paragraphs from his article today about disinformation in the Henry Nowak murder case and Nigel Farage's intervention.  This is important stuff, because once an issue like this hits social media, the facts rarely get in the way of a good story.  (There's no point in just posting a link, because Times content is behind a paywall.)

Aged 62, Nigel Farage understands the dynamics of the digital world better than his rivals. He understands its power, now that far more people get their news from social media than any newspaper. He understands the opportunities; the old constraints, what establishment types refer to as restraint, no longer apply. He also seems worried about being outbid in this digital-outrage auction by Rupert Lowe’s Restore, which is calling for Vickrum Digwa to hang. The emergence of the video allowed, in effect, a new digital court case, with the police in the dock.

This case [that is, the case that Nelson tells us is erroneous] has four parts. First, that police rushed to the scene because they thought they were investigating racism, which they prioritise above murder. Next, on arrival they “uncritically” believed the killer’s claim that Nowak had been racist. Thirdly, that Digwa was carrying the 21cm knife thanks to a legal exemption for Sikhs. And finally, the famous “two-tier justice”: a shorter sentence because Sikhs are allowed to carry knives.

But the 999 transcript shows police were called out not to a woolly accusation of racism but an assault, where an injured assailant was being held captive. The cuffing, now seen by the world via the bodycam, was horrific. Digwa’s family, in short, lied. But the judge said Nowak was “handcuffed for about a minute” before the arresting officer tried to save his life. That wasn’t shown in the leaked bodycam footage. In any case the judge said Nowak could not have survived his wounds however quickly he received first aid. The careful erasure of such context allows the story to be transformed into one about anti-white racism.

JD Vance, the US vice-president, now holds up Nowak’s death as an example of the “way a civilisation dies”. His State Department speaks of “two-tiered policing” and the general accusation is that Digwa was legally carrying a knife because he was a Sikh. But in most of the western world, Sikhs are allowed to carry a “kirpan” knife, often small, as part of their faith. The killer had one around his neck. But, as the Sikh Federation has pointed out, he was in the habit of walking around with a second knife, a 21cm dagger. Even if it was religious, said the judge, it would make no difference to the verdict. That’s what he was convicted of: possession of a bladed weapon as well as murder.

And the length of the sentence? In his letter to the attorney-general, Farage protests that “murderers are punished more leniently if they use religious weapons as instruments of murder”. No such discount exists. Murder sentences carry a starting point of 25 years if a weapon is taken to the scene in order to kill; 15 years if not, as here. For Digwa, the judge added eight years for ten aggravating factors, among them that he had “abused the privilege extended to Sikhs” and “dishonoured” his religion: with mitigation, that became a 21-year minimum. Religion made his sentence longer, not shorter.

 “The message from the establishment is clear: white lives don’t matter,” says Farage. “White suffering doesn’t count.” So we can see racial politics becoming a core part of Reform’s message. A big step — and one Farage may come to regret.

Offline Jerboa

Fraser Nelson, who writes the lead opinion piece every week in Saturday's Times and was editor of the Spectator from 2009 to 2024, is by no conceivable definition a leftie.

Here are a few paragraphs from his article today about disinformation in the Henry Nowak murder case and Nigel Farage's intervention.  This is important stuff, because once an issue like this hits social media, the facts rarely get in the way of a good story.  (There's no point in just posting a link, because Times content is behind a paywall.)

Aged 62, Nigel Farage understands the dynamics of the digital world better than his rivals. He understands its power, now that far more people get their news from social media than any newspaper. He understands the opportunities; the old constraints, what establishment types refer to as restraint, no longer apply. He also seems worried about being outbid in this digital-outrage auction by Rupert Lowe’s Restore, which is calling for Vickrum Digwa to hang. The emergence of the video allowed, in effect, a new digital court case, with the police in the dock.

This case [that is, the case that Nelson tells us is erroneous] has four parts. First, that police rushed to the scene because they thought they were investigating racism, which they prioritise above murder. Next, on arrival they “uncritically” believed the killer’s claim that Nowak had been racist. Thirdly, that Digwa was carrying the 21cm knife thanks to a legal exemption for Sikhs. And finally, the famous “two-tier justice”: a shorter sentence because Sikhs are allowed to carry knives.

But the 999 transcript shows police were called out not to a woolly accusation of racism but an assault, where an injured assailant was being held captive. The cuffing, now seen by the world via the bodycam, was horrific. Digwa’s family, in short, lied. But the judge said Nowak was “handcuffed for about a minute” before the arresting officer tried to save his life. That wasn’t shown in the leaked bodycam footage. In any case the judge said Nowak could not have survived his wounds however quickly he received first aid. The careful erasure of such context allows the story to be transformed into one about anti-white racism.

JD Vance, the US vice-president, now holds up Nowak’s death as an example of the “way a civilisation dies”. His State Department speaks of “two-tiered policing” and the general accusation is that Digwa was legally carrying a knife because he was a Sikh. But in most of the western world, Sikhs are allowed to carry a “kirpan” knife, often small, as part of their faith. The killer had one around his neck. But, as the Sikh Federation has pointed out, he was in the habit of walking around with a second knife, a 21cm dagger. Even if it was religious, said the judge, it would make no difference to the verdict. That’s what he was convicted of: possession of a bladed weapon as well as murder.

And the length of the sentence? In his letter to the attorney-general, Farage protests that “murderers are punished more leniently if they use religious weapons as instruments of murder”. No such discount exists. Murder sentences carry a starting point of 25 years if a weapon is taken to the scene in order to kill; 15 years if not, as here. For Digwa, the judge added eight years for ten aggravating factors, among them that he had “abused the privilege extended to Sikhs” and “dishonoured” his religion: with mitigation, that became a 21-year minimum. Religion made his sentence longer, not shorter.

 “The message from the establishment is clear: white lives don’t matter,” says Farage. “White suffering doesn’t count.” So we can see racial politics becoming a core part of Reform’s message. A big step — and one Farage may come to regret.


Fraser Nelson is a mouthpiece of the establishment, it's not a left right situation. Notice Farage was shouted down in parliament by tories as well as labour. They will deny that two tier policing exists, because they're both responsive for the policies that caused it. The college of policing documents are clear, they teach constables that you should treat different race differently, and that you shouldn’t be colour blind.

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You’re as bad as each other. 

There’s already secure communications facilities and a bunker under the White House - the Situation Room, the Presidential Emergency Operations Centre, etc.   these facilities are fairly old. 

In rebuilding the East Wing it absolutely makes sense to upgrade those facilities under the ballroom. This should be one of the least controversial things he’s doing but the incessant need to oppose everything he does leads people to get in a frenzy about it. 

AFAIK this will barely complete before he finishes his term so he’s not really doing it for his own benefit. 

And he’s absolutely right that the facilities in the White House are not fit for purpose for State events.
Where did I say that Trump was doing it for his own benefit ?
Trump is just a conduit for policies that need to be pushed to the idiots who vote for him no matter what.
The security apparatus is who benefits from these developments.
And the oligarchy .

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But the 999 transcript shows police were called out not to a woolly accusation of racism but an assault, where an injured assailant was being held captive.


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I don't wish to sound like a stuck record but ....

At the end of the long call, the handler says an ambulance has been called.

It is clear the handler is trying to establish what was said in relation to the accusation of racist abuse and the periods of silence at his end suggest he was seeking advice. This was finally answered. However the bulk of the call is around a physical assault, determining injuries and questioning whether any weapons are involved.

There is also another 999 call from a neighbour which apparently also was to report an injured person, though to my knowledge there will be no public transcript of that?

Yet despite being told that the injured person had fallen over a fence and onto the bonnet of a car and then finding that person largely motionless on the floor, the lead officer decided to move him. This was clearly not for the injured person's safety or indeed anyone else's. At the very least he may have had injuries such as a dislocated shoulder or fractured ankle/wrist. Bear in mind the call also said he was drunk. They were also informed he was bleeding from the mouth. He told them he had been stabbed. Combined is a red flag.

I do also wonder if any of the information in the 999 calls was conveyed to the officers who responded. In particular when a second officer requests an ambulance, she did not radio to ask for an update on the status of the ambulance that had been called (assuming it had been?) I am sure the 999 handling will face scrutiny also.

Then of course comes the handcuffs? The latter is the trigger for this story. All inexplicable incompetence.

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They will deny that two tier policing exists, because they're both responsive for the policies that caused it. The college of policing documents are clear, they teach constables that you should treat different race differently, and that you shouldn’t be colour blind.

From someone who understands traumatic first aid treatment, the constables had a duty of care to check Henry for injuries, it wouldn't have taken long with the cooperation of Henry (ask him where he was stabbed) to find wounds,

So in your experience of traumatic first aid, had you been one of the officers attending and faced with an this injured person would you have treated him the way they did?

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Meanwhile, moving a little towards the right (or the right-thinking), I find this in an opinion piece by Janice Turner in today’s Times (on the same page as the Farage cartoon):

Last year Barts Health NHS Trust introduced a new staff code banning badges or clothing promoting a “particular nation, political party, one side in a conflict or causes” unrelated to medicine. This prompted three staff to take legal action, including Dr Sara Ali, a haematology registrar. The Trust, she said, failed to consider “many staff for whom Palestine is an integral part of their identity, leaving us feeling erased and unseen”.

Now the Barts code is set to become a template for the whole NHS after Lord Mann’s report on antisemitism, which found Jewish patients felt vulnerable and fearful when treated by medics wearing Free Palestine lanyards.

Dr Ali believes the right to express identity at work is paramount. But whose identities? What if pro-Israeli nurses wore ribbons commemorating the Hamas victims of October 7, a doctor displayed a White Lives Matter screensaver or a consultant did his ward round in a Tory rosette?


Quite so.  Taking the past 80 years in totality, I am overall a “Palestinian”.  Nonetheless the display of symbols in support of this (or any other) cause should not be allowed in the workplace.

Further on in her article Ms Turner has this:

In the past two decades human resources has wildly expanded into DEI (diversity, equity and inclusion) until by 2024, according to the government’s own equality hub, Britain had twice as many diversity officers as any other country, costing the NHS alone an annual £13  million, with many on salaries far higher than frontline health staff.


It’s almost enough to make one a Farageiste or a Lowe-ner!

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Further on in her article Ms Turner has this:

In the past two decades human resources has wildly expanded into DEI (diversity, equity and inclusion) until by 2024, according to the government’s own equality hub, Britain had twice as many diversity officers as any other country, costing the NHS alone an annual £13  million, with many on salaries far higher than frontline health staff.



Whenever wastage is discussed in the NHS people like to bring this one up. In terms of wastage it is a totally insignificant drop in the ocean compared to the total wastage in the NHS.

However people like to bring it up due to the political 'woke' factor.

In relation to comparing it with other countries then the NHS is a huge employer and its staff are one of the most diverse in the world.

You could argue it is wasted money, but not because it is not required, but that it is not suceeding as inequality and discrimination continues to be a significant problem across the NHS

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Fraser Nelson is a mouthpiece of the establishment, it's not a left right situation. Notice Farage was shouted down in parliament by tories as well as labour. They will deny that two tier policing exists, because they're both responsive for the policies that caused it. The college of policing documents are clear, they teach constables that you should treat different race differently, and that you shouldn’t be colour blind.

I note you do not deal with the facts of the article - instead you try (badly) to play the man.

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There are quite a few excellent local councillors, Tory, Labour and Libdem, who do a good job with little recognition.  It is a shame that local elections rarely reflect local issues and the actual performance of councillors.  Of course there are also some shit ones!

And I imagine that’s also true of Reform councillors, no?  Some good ones, some shit ones.

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Where did I say that Trump was doing it for his own benefit ?
Trump is just a conduit for policies that need to be pushed to the idiots who vote for him no matter what.
The security apparatus is who benefits from these developments.
And the oligarchy .

I would have thought it clear that “the both of you” refers to you and DastardlyDick. 

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Fraser Nelson is a mouthpiece of the establishment, it's not a left right situation. Notice Farage was shouted down in parliament by tories as well as labour. They will deny that two tier policing exists, because they're both responsive for the policies that caused it. The college of policing documents are clear, they teach constables that you should treat different race differently, and that you shouldn’t be colour blind.

Typical of the cult of Farage.  When presented with facts that can be proven and quantifies blame 'the establishment'.
Would that be the same private school, merchant banking and millionaire lifestyle of Farage or some other one I wonder?

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Typical of the cult of Farage.  When presented with facts that can be proven and quantifies blame 'the establishment'.
Would that be the same private school, merchant banking and millionaire lifestyle of Farage or some other one I wonder?

Why would it matter if he's a millionaire, privately educated former merchant banker?

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I would have thought it clear that “the both of you” refers to you and DastardlyDick.
I don't believe conspiracy theories, which is why I put "if you believe". If Trump wants/needs to build a bunker I really don't care!

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And I imagine that’s also true of Reform councillors, no?  Some good ones, some shit ones.

I only know shit Reform councillors so I left them out.  There might be some, but not around me.

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Why would it matter if he's a millionaire, privately educated former merchant banker?

It should not but it sticks a little when he plays to a man of the people, just like you guys image.