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Offline bigden40

Are there any Israeli betting companies?
For the inside track? ;)

Would have thought you already knew the answer to that.

Offline mills_and_bhuna

Would have thought you already knew the answer to that.
That's next up for my research.
Bigger issues at hand tbf ......
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That's next up for my research.
Bigger issues at hand tbf ......
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888/William Hill are Israeli owned so have it and see what you can come up with  :rolleyes:

Offline bigden40

Good point. I imagine Burnham is happy to stay put, he’s popular where he is with many people in the party seeing him as a natural party leader; but taking the throne is fraught with risk, he could easily lose both a by-election and mayoralty for the poisoned chalice of leading Labour to certain defeat at the next election.

Josh Simons standing down as MP for Makerfield to make way for Burnham.  Currently a 5,000 Labour majority so far from safe.

Maximum hilarity would be Burnham losing the by-election



« Last Edit: May 14, 2026, 05:32:10 pm by bigden40 »

Offline Squire Haggard

Josh Simons standing down as MP for Makerfield to make way for Burnham.  Currently a 5,000 Labour majority so far from safe.

Maximum hilarity would be Burnham losing the by-election
It would make my day.
I hope Labour lose that seat. Labour think that they own it. They have a sense of entitlement.

Offline myothernameis

Josh Simons standing down as MP for Makerfield to make way for Burnham.  Currently a 5,000 Labour majority so far from safe.

Maximum hilarity would be Burnham losing the by-election

On bbc news this is something that was discussed, so with Labour bad council election results.  So could Andy Burnham get the number of votes required to become a mp

Offline Punting2022

Need a more right wing labour candidate tbh. Leftie starmer is rubbish on green energy policies, war policies, immigration

Offline finn5555

It would make my day.
I hope Labour lose that seat. Labour think that they own it. They have a sense of entitlement.

Could loose it to a Reform racist  :crazy:

Offline Vice Admiral

It's all as much of a shambles as Rockliffegate.  Embarrassing and depressing.

None of the options are good ones.

Starmer limping on as a lame-duck Prime Minister?  Hardly a dream scenario.

Wes Streeting?  No more charismatic than Starmer and with very similar policy positions.

Rayner, Miliband or Burnham?  Too leftie.  Bond markets spooked, shades of Liz Truss.

All the schemers should be ashamed of themselves.

Except ... on The Wrap on Sky News last night, Adam Boulton mentioned that a source he respects and trusts told him that Starmer will not be able to survive what's in the further Mandelson files that are soon to be released.

God help us.  At the moment there seem to more cats than pigeons in this gruesome charade.

Offline Punting2022

Could loose it to a Reform racist  :crazy:

Reform aint racisist. This is where the leftie media has brainwashed people to thinking they are.
Uk needs some harsh policies atm to improve. Reform have them.
No one has issues with immigrants who work. Its ones who come here, free hotels, free tax money etc

Offline Punting2022

Uk can have a tourist tax now. So hotels will charge this. Increase in hotel prices poss.
Will deffo filter down to prossie bookings. If accomodation higher. Then they will put thier prices up

Offline puntingking

Uk can have a tourist tax now. So hotels will charge this. Increase in hotel prices poss.
Will deffo filter down to prossie bookings. If accomodation higher. Then they will put thier prices up


When the uk implemented a "sugar tax", sugary drinks prices still stayed the same  :unknown:
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Offline finn5555

Reform aint racisist. This is where the leftie media has brainwashed people to thinking they are.
Uk needs some harsh policies atm to improve. Reform have them.
No one has issues with immigrants who work. Its ones who come here, free hotels, free tax money etc

Reform are fundamentally racist and that’s not media driven you’re deluded if you think otherwise  :crazy:

Offline Squire Haggard

I wonder if the Conservatives would consider not putting up a candidate for that seat. They have no chance of winning it anyway.

It would be a clear two horse race and Labour's entitled Andy Burnham will be shitting himself.

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I wonder if the electorate there will see it that this bloke is intent to pushing starmer out, the one that caused so many to divert to Reform who might not have done that if Labour was more what they wanted and expected.

We'll see i suppose!..

Don't think that Streeting or Millibrain are up to the job!..
« Last Edit: May 14, 2026, 08:31:33 pm by Watts.E.Dunn »

Offline Jerboa

Josh Simons standing down as MP for Makerfield to make way for Burnham.  Currently a 5,000 Labour majority so far from safe.

Maximum hilarity would be Burnham losing the by-election

Burnham will not find it easy, no electorate likes to feel that they are taken for granted, only 5k majority, Reform could win, if they find a decent local candidate.

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Burnham will not find it easy, no electorate likes to feel that they are taken for granted, only 5k majority, Reform could win, if they find a decent local candidate.

Starmers friends (if he has any left) and many Tories will be making donations to Reform, Farage has already said they will throw everything at the seat

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Starmers friends (if he has any left) and many Tories will be making donations to Reform, Farage has already said they will throw everything at the seat

Considering what happen today with Worcestershire Council where the Tories formed an alliance with the Greens and the Lib-Dems to take overall control from Reform, I reckon the Tories would prefer to see Labour win at Makerfield rather than help Reform take the seat.

Offline Thephoenix

Reform are fundamentally racist and that’s not media driven you’re deluded if you think otherwise  :crazy:

Aré you saying that Muhammad Ziauddin "Zia" Yusuf and Suella Braverman from Reform's front bench are racist?
I guess they may be rather offended by that.
I also suspect many of their voters might be offended by being called racist just because they're concerned as to what they perceive as uncontrolled immigration.





Offline webpunter

Aré you saying that Muhammad Ziauddin "Zia" Yusuf and Suella Braverman from Reform's front bench are racist?
I guess they may be rather offended by that.
I also suspect many of their voters might be offended by being called racist just because they're concerned as to what they perceive as uncontrolled immigration.

Perceive
Rather it is
Very uncontrolled
Suella  :hi:

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Considering what happen today with Worcestershire Council where the Tories formed an alliance with the Greens and the Lib-Dems to take overall control from Reform, I reckon the Tories would prefer to see Labour win at Makerfield rather than help Reform take the seat.

Reform has said it won't enter formal coalitions; it feels that the electorate has not rewarded past coalition partners well - especially the less established partner. Reform thrives on chaos and electorate dissatisfaction saves them from actually needing policies or having to put them into effect 

Offline PatMacGroin


When the uk implemented a "sugar tax", sugary drinks prices still stayed the same  :unknown:

Most of the soft drinks companies replaced sugar with synthetic alternatives that aren't covered under the sugar tax (and will probably turn out to be more toxic than sugar). E.g. all the "Zero" type drinks in the shops that pretty much completely replaced the original formulas.

The drinks that didn't remove the sugar have gone up in price considerably. E.g. Lucozade was usually around £1 for a 500ml bottle before the 2018 sugar tax, now rarely found for less than around £1.69 for a 500ml bottle (except in those shops selling dodgy imported bottles covered in foreign languages).

If tourist taxes increase hotel prices that will definitely get passed onto punters. Even WG's using flats will probably mimic the rates of those using hotels.
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Offline webpunter

Most of the soft drinks companies replaced sugar with synthetic alternatives that aren't covered under the sugar tax (and will probably turn out to be more toxic than sugar). E.g. all the "Zero" type drinks in the shops that pretty much completely replaced the original formulas.

The drinks that didn't remove the sugar have gone up in price considerably. E.g. Lucozade was usually around £1 for a 500ml bottle before the 2018 sugar tax, now rarely found for less that around £1.69 for a 500ml bottle (except in those shops selling dodgy imported bottles covered in foreign languages).

Which shops are they ?   ;)

Offline PatMacGroin

Which shops are they ?   ;)

The independent corner shop near me sells the cheaper versions occasionally. For lucozade and classic coke. I was amazed to see the coke was made in Ukraine.

They also like to rub the sell by dates off of packets of biscuits.
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Offline webpunter

The independent corner shop near me sells the cheaper versions occasionally. For lucozade and classic coke. I was amazed to see the coke was made in Ukraine.

They also like to rub the sell by dates off of packets of biscuits.

 :lol:
As-if [which i would add is not the name of the bloke in the shop, i think] there are any actually any on a corner
Slava Ukraini!

Offline Punting2022

Aré you saying that Muhammad Ziauddin "Zia" Yusuf and Suella Braverman from Reform's front bench are racist?
I guess they may be rather offended by that.
I also suspect many of their voters might be offended by being called racist just because they're concerned as to what they perceive as uncontrolled immigration.

Exactly. Calls a party racist that have a lot of ethnic members.

Bnp were the true racist

Offline puntingking

Most of the soft drinks companies replaced sugar with synthetic alternatives that aren't covered under the sugar tax (and will probably turn out to be more toxic than sugar). E.g. all the "Zero" type drinks in the shops that pretty much completely replaced the original formulas.

The drinks that didn't remove the sugar have gone up in price considerably. E.g. Lucozade was usually around £1 for a 500ml bottle before the 2018 sugar tax, now rarely found for less than around £1.69 for a 500ml bottle (except in those shops selling dodgy imported bottles covered in foreign languages).

If tourist taxes increase hotel prices that will definitely get passed onto punters. Even WG's using flats will probably mimic the rates of those using hotels.

Lets not scaremonger, the most tourist tax would be in England is £2-£4 per night per a room.  :hi:

Offline bigden40

Aré you saying that Muhammad Ziauddin "Zia" Yusuf and Suella Braverman from Reform's front bench are racist?
I guess they may be rather offended by that.
I also suspect many of their voters might be offended by being called racist just because they're concerned as to what they perceive as uncontrolled immigration.

Exactly.  I’m no fan of reform but trying to dismiss them as racist because of legitimate concern about immigration is lazy and it doesn’t really work on most people any more. 

Offline globewindsailor

Starmers friends (if he has any left) and many Tories will be making donations to Reform, Farage has already said they will throw everything at the seat

Maybe Starmer personally campaigning in the constituency will win it.
but who for  :lol:

Offline Vice Admiral

It might initially be supposed that Reform UK are likely to win the Makerfield by-election.  The New Statesman has this:  “In the recent local elections, the Makerfield constituency voted 50 per cent Reform and 23 per cent Labour.  The Britain Predicts model for a general election offers Labour a somewhat stronger showing, but still an uncomfortable one: Reform on 41 per cent to Labour’s 28 per cent.”

The bookies, however, currently have Labour as favourites at 4/6, with Reform on 5/4.  And last night on The Wrap on Sky News, Rod Liddle expressed himself as 80% certain that Labour will win.

Offline mills_and_bhuna

It might initially be supposed that Reform UK are likely to win the Makerfield by-election.  The New Statesman has this:  “In the recent local elections, the Makerfield constituency voted 50 per cent Reform and 23 per cent Labour.  The Britain Predicts model for a general election offers Labour a somewhat stronger showing, but still an uncomfortable one: Reform on 41 per cent to Labour’s 28 per cent.”

The bookies, however, currently have Labour as favourites at 4/6, with Reform on 5/4.  And last night on The Wrap on Sky News, Rod Liddle expressed himself as 80% certain that Labour will win.
Rod Liddle .......boy can you find them ....... :rolleyes:

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Rod Liddle .......boy can you find them ....... :rolleyes:

I see you are still trolling VA with ad hominem comments to get a reaction. I think he has long since stopped reacting to you?


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Offline DastardlyDick

I think we're getting ahead of ourselves here - Labour's NEC have yet to say if they'll allow Burnham to stand as a Labour Candidate, if they say "no" he'd have to stand as an Independent and find the money for a Campaign himself, more importantly (for him and his backers), he wouldn't be eligible to be elected as Labour Leader and PM.
Then there's who the other Parties put up as candidates - if Reform follow their usual pattern and put up some swivel eyed loon with known connections to the likes of Britain First or BNP and/or a history of unacceptable posts on SM, they'll reduce their share, if Restore put someone up, that's another reduction. If the Greens put up someone more local like Hannah Spencer, that will reduce every other parties share.


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They've got 4600 Officers on duty for this including 660 from other forces - all riot trained - and live facial recognition. They've also got armoured vehicles on standby, I'm sure TR and his mob will appreciate the irony that those vehicles are made by Plasan, an Israeli Company.
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Offline Squire Haggard

He must think that he has a good chance. Not everyone will agree.
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The FTSE 100 is down 1.71% today.  That's a big one-day fall.

Google AI gives three reasons, the first being this:  "UK Political Turmoil: Markets have been rattled by a potential leadership challenge against Prime Minister Keir Starmer. Speculation that Greater Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham could make a return to Westminster has increased investor concerns over potential increases in borrowing and shifting fiscal rules. This political tension has caused the pound to weaken and UK borrowing costs (gilt yields) to jump."

The shape of things to come, I fear. 

Burnham, Miliband and Rayner are all economically illiterate and / or delusional.

Offline Squire Haggard

All the Labour nonsense is not good for markets.

However, today the DAX is down 2.07% and the CAC down 1.60%.

In the last couple of days, Google finance has a new greatly improved website.

''On May 15, 2026, global financial markets are experiencing significant volatility as investors weigh persistent energy-driven inflation against record-setting US equity performance.''

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Offline bigden40

For some reason I missed Jess Phillips resignation yesterday, so at least there were some bright spots for Starmer.

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There was a very good article in yesterday’s Times by Emma Duncan, with the heading, “Is the problem the PM? Labour? No, it’s us” and the sub-heading, “We insist on retaining a big welfare state — but we’re not prepared to pay the taxes needed to sustain it”.

It’s such a sensible piece that I’m pasting in several paragraphs below – emboldening a few sentences that encapsulate her theme.

Changing leaders is pretty pointless.  Whoever is Prime Minister is going to fail to “deliver” what the electorate wants because he or she is promising an impossibility, and because the magic money tree stubbornly refuses to grow.  So politicians continue to cynically assure us that their particular yellow brick road leads to a horn of plenty – while we, jaw-droppingly, continue to believe them.
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The problem is us. We, the voters, are deluding ourselves. We are living beyond our means and don’t want to stop, so we keep electing politicians who make unrealistic promises and getting rid of them when they fail to deliver.

Half a century ago we took a more modest view of our means and our deserts. Part of Margaret Thatcher’s appeal was her grocer’s-daughter’s belief that you could only spend what you earned. “If the state wants to spend more,” she said, “it can do so only by borrowing your savings or by taxing you more. It is no good thinking that someone else will pay: that ‘someone else’ is you.”

That changed under Tony Blair. The peace dividend had kicked in and the economy was booming, so every year the state could spend more without raising taxes. We got used to it.

Since then we have had a series of expensive economic shocks, a period of low growth and a reversal of the peace dividend. Public funds have been depleted as a result, but the voters appear to think the government can go on spending more every year without taxing them more to pay for it.

There’s no mileage in telling the electorate uncomfortable fiscal truths, however. Theresa May made the mistake of doing so when she tried to tackle the huge problem of social care. She was duly punished at the polls, thus ensuring no politician has done anything as rash — ie as honest — since.

Her replacement was the ideal prime minister for a self-deluding electorate. Boris Johnson’s “cakeism” encapsulated the nation’s determination to have a generous welfare state while not paying the taxes necessary to sustain it.

How Reform UK, which looks like being the next beneficiary of the voters’ discontent, will solve the country’s economic problems is a secret that Nigel Farage is wisely unwilling to reveal. He has made one thing clear, however: he’s sticking with the pension triple lock, which, on its current trajectory, will push government debt up to 270 per cent of GDP over the next half-century.

Labour, meanwhile, are running around like headless chickens promising “boldness”. That’s generally taken as meaning a shift to the left. Angela Rayner, the only one of the likely candidates to have said anything substantial in recent days, made a statement that implies nationalisation, a higher minimum wage and higher taxes on the rich. The first is a terrible use of taxpayers’ money, the second would ensure there were fewer jobs for poorer people, and the third would drive away even more of those who, by international standards, already pay an unusually large proportion of income tax.was his terrible character.


Offline WASA38

Aré you saying that Muhammad Ziauddin "Zia" Yusuf and Suella Braverman from Reform's front bench are racist?
I guess they may be rather offended by that.
I also suspect many of their voters might be offended by being called racist just because they're concerned as to what they perceive as uncontrolled immigration.

Wrong to write them all off as racist but it's likely that many are. More true to say that most of them are xenophobic and this is at he heart of their Brexitism.  Anyone who still thinks that Brexit was good for the country is manifestly deluded.


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Josh Simons standing down as MP for Makerfield to make way for Burnham.  Currently a 5,000 Labour majority so far from safe.

Maximum hilarity would be Burnham losing the by-election

Plus Manchester getting a Reform mayor.

Not funny really but would end up teaching the residents a tough lesson.

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All the Labour nonsense is not good for markets.

However, today the DAX is down 2.07% and the CAC down 1.60%.

In the last couple of days, Google finance has a new greatly improved website.

''On May 15, 2026, global financial markets are experiencing significant volatility as investors weigh persistent energy-driven inflation against record-setting US equity performance.''

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I dread to think what will happen to the markets if Reform win the next general election.



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The stuff of nightmares, even Stephen King would be at a loss to create such a grotesque group of characters for one of his pulpy novels.

Offline Vice Admiral

It is some years since we had a truly impressive Prime Minister, and no-one currently in the offing fits that description.

I suppose that Nigel Farage is impressive in his way.  It's just a pity that he's a deluded, dishonest, disingenuous snake-oil salesman.   

But it could be argued that we get the politicians we deserve.

Firstly, we don't pay them enough.  You and I might kill for £98,599 a year (the basic annual salary for an MP), but it's a fraction of what a high-flyer could earn elsewhere.  A top KC typically earns between £500,000 and £1 million a year, and some earn much more.  The remuneration package of the chief executive of a FTSE 100 company is over £4.50 million a year.

Secondly, many – probably most – politicians are decent people who genuinely want to make the United Kingdom a better place.  But we treat them like dirt.  Who needs the flak?

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It is some years since we had a truly impressive Prime Minister, and no-one currently in the offing fits that description.

I suppose that Nigel Farage is impressive in his way.  It's just a pity that he's a deluded, dishonest, disingenuous snake-oil salesman.   

But it could be argued that we get the politicians we deserve.

Firstly, we don't pay them enough.  You and I might kill for £98,599 a year (the basic annual salary for an MP), but it's a fraction of what a high-flyer could earn elsewhere.  A top KC typically earns between £500,000 and £1 million a year, and some earn much more.  The remuneration package of the chief executive of a FTSE 100 company is over £4.50 million a year.

Secondly, many – probably most – politicians are decent people who genuinely want to make the United Kingdom a better place.  But we treat them like dirt.  Who needs the flak?

Basically agree.

The UK is full of idiotic saps pumping out snarky content on social media, most of whom wouldn't be able to run a market stall never mind a country but they have very, very hard views on what it takes to be a top rank politician.

In the past they'd just be pub bores but now we have far less pubs to bore in.

I suppose we're just treating PMs like failing football team managers now and shouting abuse from the terraces.

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Sorry for not getting too excited about the shenanigans afoot to replace the Empire's regional manager in Britain .
No doubt they will have to be approved by DC and the blob anyway .
As the saying goes "if voting changed anything they would make it illegal".
I was challenged recently about my knowledge on how the Western media works by someone who claimed to know how the Russian media works ( no doubt gleaned from the Western media) .
Interesting stuff
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