Author Topic: SP's that refuse OWO for Punters with Phimosis  (Read 5819 times)

Offline PatMacGroin

I'm a bit surprised by your reaction, but I'll respond to your points below:

Punters are meant to do their research, first and foremost by reading the SP's profile, so if she clearly states any conditions concerning the delivery of any of her services then there's no real need to have a "list".

This thread is intended as a collective research tool. Like most threads in this forum and UKP as a whole.

SP's change their profiles. They may have genuinely changed their policy. Or they may remove elements that they believe are affecting the amount of business they are receiving.

If this thread helps identify an SP with a specific policy or requirement that a punter is interested in it can help them to identify that in their pre meet research and comms.

This kind of thread might be useful for noting those SP's/pimps/angencies who actually refuse to be upfront about any conditions that make any of the services a punter might be requesting "at discretion" aka "refused on site/sight", but then we'd have a ton of threads about all the services that were "lied about", as well as reviews.

This thread can include those SP's that clearly state the policy, and those that are not being upfront.

Is UKP running out of space for new threads? There are already lots of similar types of threads that different members find useful to varying degree's. If the contents of this thread are not of interest to a member they do not need to read it, or comment on it.

A punter is responsible for confirming the services he wants to pay for, whether inclusive or as extras, if he fails to negotiate that before booking and subsequently leaves when refused on site then that's down to him, as much as the SP.

As you are well aware pre-booking confirmation discussions do not always go as smoothly as we'd all like. For many reasons including maids, language/translation, etc.

I always discuss services before making a booking, I used to mention phimosis but stopped because none of them ever said it was a problem. Going forward I will add enquiries about phimosis to my regular questions, since there seems to be an increase in SP's specifying this issue. But many SPs get pissed off with multiple questions or sometimes avoid direct answers. A thread like this prevents both me and her wasting our time with lengthy conversations or text tennis. Or worst of all, only finding out when I arrive.

Searching through threads doesn't seem to be many punters' forte so it would be best that reviews are written and details such as these are clearly captured, as would any (grateful) note of the SP making a point of checking a punter "qualifies" for the services he's seeking.

It's possible to miss small details read in reviews. Particularly if a WG has multiple reviews to wade through (e.g. one of the examples I have listed has over 70 reviews, I've only seen phimosis mentioned once in her reviews.)

The TOFTT thread and other "new girl" ones note desirable unknowns and updates there after someone has made an enquiry would be sufficient and narrow the avenues of search.  As would updates on reviews where an SP has changed her screening and criteria if a review can't be written; update any review that convinced you to try the SP, especially if it details services that are now gated or withdrawn.

Some threads, like the TOFTT thread, are very long. If an SP's AWID is mentioned multiple times in the thread the UKP search function will only present a single post from that thread. That posting may not be the one which details any specific screening criteria the SP uses. I believe several threads such as the NBA/ Ethnic Bar threads were created for the same reason.

Given the counter-points made above, lists can be seen as persecutory, it would make much more sense if a punter suggests to the SP that they update their profile to avoid more wasted enquiries, if they are confronted with an unadvertised limitation.  If said polite suggestion is (rudely) rejected then that would be one prime reason to report back here against whatever existing entry the SP has or to add her to a genuinely worthwhile list.

It is unfortunate some SP's may regard this list as persecutory. If they prefer not to provide services to punters with phimosis this thread should help them to avoid those punters.

We cannot control what information an SP provides on their profile or in their comms. As punters we can only share the information we have on this forum.

If anything I'm feeling like the tone of many comments on this thread have been more persecutory of men with phimosis. Suggesting they guaranteed to be unclean, even suggesting they are more likely to harbour STI's. Those are ignorant attitudes that I would like to avoid. Hopefully they won't make members feel reluctant to contribute to this thread.

Offline PatMacGroin

I've got phimosis and I am being circumcised next week. It has got more and more painful when having sex in the last two years.

Are you doing it privately or on the NHS? If NHS how long have you been waiting?

I've been given the impression that as a non-emergency surgery the waiting times could be years, following the delays caused by Covid.

Offline PatMacGroin

well technically if you go for a pee before a meet, your 'inner foreskin' will be soaked in piss due to the way it retracts.   next time you go toilet, after you finished pull back and wipe to check how much urine is picked up.

You seem to be under the impression that you know alot about me and my cock. Have we met?

"Technically" you don't know what you are talking about.

Offline PatMacGroin

If you must have a list thread then how about "SPs who WILL see you if you have phimosis (subject to ...)" ?

That could be a much longer thread. It would basically be listing every WG I've seen, plus any other memebers with phimosis listing every WG that's given them OWO.

Also, because an SP has agreed to give me OWO, that's not a guarantee they will provide the same service to another punter.

Whereas if an SP has mentioned a strict policy of no OWO for men with phimosis that is a lot easier to identify.

Offline FiveKnuckles

You seem to be under the impression that you know alot about me and my cock. Have we met?

"Technically" you don't know what you are talking about.

don't get all 'uptight' and chill. :D   unless you pull your foreskin back to per, urine will be directed through the inner foreskin.

you're getting all confrontational with anyone that disagrees. 
knock yourself out and start a thread.   :thumbsup:


Offline shed

Glad to hear it worked out for you. Getting a bit off topic, circumcision is something I have mixed feelings on. IMO, there is no excuse for circumcising babies or young children, this is purely genital mutilation, however, if later in life as a grown man you choose to have the procedure done for whatever reason, because you have phimosis or you just want it done for aesthetic reasons that's fine as it is an informed choice and of course, your body, your choice.

Total and Utter bollocks your comment on genital mutilation. I had circumcision when I was born as it was an option then. I managed to do the same with my two sons. I thanked my parents until the day they died
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Offline Lou2019

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Agree can hardly be compared to genital mutilation, we are all well aware of FGM and this isn’t the place for that discussion.
If circumcision is required as a baby/child why wouldn’t you get that done for your child? I know I would have if it for mine if was necessary as Sheds parents did. Why suffer all your life with penile difficulties if you don’t have to? If it was condition of another part of your body would you not seek help? With all due respect to you OP perhaps your time would be better spent researching surgery options than getting uptight and confrontational.
Sorry this thread had just made me curious as to why you guys leave it untreated and suffer ?
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Offline MysteryManNo.7

Total and Utter bollocks your comment on genital mutilation. I had circumcision when I was born as it was an option then. I managed to do the same with my two sons. I thanked my parents until the day they died

So you had part of your sons genitals removed when they were totally vulnerable, unable to consent and it was not necessary at all? Deny it all you like, when it is done pointlessly to babies it is genital mutilation.

As I have said, if it is done by informed choice when a man is grown for whatever reason, that's fine. The fact that genital mutilation is so normalised is worrying to say the least.

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Thank you Miss Wolf. I fully understand and respect your position.

I've been dying to take advantage of the Wolf's position for months.

Offline FiveKnuckles

So you had part of your sons genitals removed when they were totally vulnerable, unable to consent and it was not necessary at all? Deny it all you like, when it is done pointlessly to babies it is genital mutilation.

As I have said, if it is done by informed choice when a man is grown for whatever reason, that's fine. The fact that genital mutilation is so normalised is worrying to say the least.

he mentioned that he thanked his parent for making the choice and did the same for his kids.  *Circumcision could be cultural,  not saying it's right!
He can counter if the OPs parent made the same choice, he wouldn't have phimosis.

You're getting into an argument in how people should raise their kids.  How do you know the child wanted to be associated as a man?   Perhaps all parents should join this gender-fluid movement and let the child decide if they're Man woman, trans, unspecified, etc.   :scare:

Offline sensualencounter

“…..getting uptight and confrontational. “
You just made me spit out my coffee. Coming from you, that’s hilarious  :wacko:

And chopping off a baby’s foreskin for religious or aesthetic purposes IS genital mutilation and should be a crime.

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You just made me spit out my coffee. Coming from you, that’s hilarious  :wacko:

And chopping off a baby’s foreskin for religious or aesthetic purposes IS genital mutilation and should be a crime.
Shame you didn’t choke on it  :D
If you actually read what I had written, I said if required/necessary  (as in medical) I didn’t say for religious or aesthetic purposes  :wacko:

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Offline proton.punter

I've got phimosis and I am being circumcised next week. It has got more and more painful when having sex in the last two years.
Have you considered frenuloplasty first?