SP's that refuse OWO for Punters with Phimosis

[PatMacGroin]

I have started to notice comments on a few reviews and some AW profiles, stating that a WG will refuse OWO to punters with Phimosis (unable to retract foreskin fully).

Obviously, that's something that is totally within their rights to refuse.

However, it might save wasted time and effort on both sides of the punting fence to have a thread which lists WG's with this policy. I'll start off the list with a couple I've noticed. Please add profile details or links to UKP comments for any others that you have seen confirmed.

(P.S. This thread is not really intended for discussing the pro & cons of circumcision or other phimosis treatments. There are plenty other threads where that has been discussed. These are two of the most recent:
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=306595.0
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=280039.0)

[PatMacGroin]

A fairly new profile just posted to the London TOFTT thread:

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+447985434396 or 07985434396

This comment in her FAQs "foreskin that cannot be pulled back fully (phimosis) I will not be able to offer you OWO."

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[PatMacGroin]

A well reviewed WG. OWO policy mentioned in a recent review

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She inspected my willy, as my foreskin does not roll back I was refused OWO. So OW it was.

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[PatMacGroin]

Longstanding WG that has gone by several different profiles which can be found under her reviews listings. Most recently using the AW profile:

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After that she asked what I liked, I said a GFE with OWO. She checked whether my foreskin could retract, it's quite tight and at first she said she wouldn't do OWO but I pulled it back for her and then she agreed. Bit odd, but it's happened to me twice now in the past few weeks so maybe becoming a thing?

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[Lou2019]

So you want to name and shame SPs who won’t perform
OWO due to a penis that cannot be cleaned properly? Or am I missing something???

[MysteryManNo.7]

So you want to name and shame SPs who won’t perform
OWO due to a penis that cannot be cleaned properly? Or am I missing something???

Not quite sure you've gotten this right. Personally, I can fully retract my foreskin when flaccid and will do so every day to clean myself of course and of course before any booking I make sure I am sparkling however when fully erect it's almost impossible for me to retract it and if I do it will get stuck behind my glans painfully!

Not sure if this is phimosis or not but at least in my case, having a foreskin that will not fully retract when I'm erect does not mean that I am unclean or do not clean myself daily in that area.

Of course it's fine if a SW won't see a client for that reason but, her choice entirely who she sees, but please avoid making sweeping generalisations.

[Lou2019]

It’s not a sweeping statement, if you are unable to pull back the foreskin to
clean, well do I really need to go any further 

[sensualencounter]

It’s not a sweeping statement, if you are unable to pull back the foreskin to
clean, well do I really need to go any further 

He CAN pull it back to clean….

[Lou2019]

He CAN pull it back to clean….

Then it doesn’t relate to him does it 

[MysteryManNo.7]

It’s not a sweeping statement, if you are unable to pull back the foreskin to
clean, well do I really need to go any further 

Seems you didn't properly read my reply. As I say, I can and do retract my foreskin to clean every day however when fully erect this is often not comfortable/possible.

Just because a man may be unable to retract his foreskin when erect does not mean he is unable to do so when flaccid and is unclean.

[FiveKnuckles]

OP perhaps you should ask the WGs prior to booking if they will meet clients with Phimosis for OWO.

OK you can clean a unerect penis.  Prior to your meet you'll likely go toilet several times.  Do you expect the WGs to suck?   
The girls clean their arse every time they wash.  If they have a dump prior to your meet, would you rim them?

[MissWolf]

Feel free to add me to your list 

If you can pull it back while flaccid and show me you can then I'm happy to suck it bare, with the obvious visual to check for broken skin, scabs, rashes etc

If the foreskin doesn't go back at all it's not going in my mouth without a cover on 

[PatMacGroin]

So you want to name and shame SPs who won’t perform
OWO due to a penis that cannot be cleaned properly? Or am I missing something???

You do seem to be missing the point of my post. And looking at your subsequent posts you also seem to misunderstand the various forms of phimosis and paraphimosis.

I am not trying to "name and shame". All WG's have the right to refuse any services they do not wish to perform. I am not denying that right. They have the right to refuse that service to me, and I have the right to see a different WG that is willing to provide the services I want.

Like MysteryMan I can retract and clean my penis while flaccid. But I can't always retract my foreskin while aroused. I keep my penis very clean and have never been refused OWO.

However, if there are some WG's that have concerns about men with phimosis I would not want to put them in the awkward position of feeling they may have to go ahead with that service or potentially lose my booking (usually 2hrs). And I don't want to find that out when I arrive. It would be wasted time and money for both of us.

This Forum is here to help punters navigate the issues that can arise visiting escorts. Providing guidance and information. I believe this thread can provide information that will be useful to some of the members. The information is already in the posts, reviews and profiles, this thread just puts it in one location making it easier to access.

[PatMacGroin]

OP perhaps you should ask the WGs prior to booking if they will meet clients with Phimosis for OWO.

I can ask and I often have, but as us punters are fully aware there are often miscommunications. E.g. WG's that use maids that say yes to everything. Or language/translation difficulties. Or simply inexperienced WG's that have no idea what phimosis is, or don't understand when you try to explain.

One of the purposes of this forum is to provide punters with the information that can assist them with these situations.

OK you can clean a unerect penis.  Prior to your meet you'll likely go toilet several times.  Do you expect the WGs to suck?   
The girls clean their arse every time they wash.  If they have a dump prior to your meet, would you rim them?

Yes, I would go to the toilet at some point during the day before meeting a WG. That doesn't mean I have a foreskin soaked in piss.

Rimming is not my thing. However, I do pretty much always perform oral on a WG, and she would also have been guaranteed to have taken a piss atleast once before I met them. Would you regard that as much the same thing?

I always shower when I arrive. I usually shower after my first pop too. I like to assume the WG's also shower before each meeting (although I'm well aware there are some that don't).

[PatMacGroin]

Feel free to add me to your list 

If you can pull it back while flaccid and show me you can then I'm happy to suck it bare, with the obvious visual to check for broken skin, scabs, rashes etc

If the foreskin doesn't go back at all it's not going in my mouth without a cover on 

Thank you Miss Wolf. I fully understand and respect your position.

[KatieEdinburgh]

So you want a list of WGs who have written something on their profiles about not doing OWO for clients with phimosis… I don’t know how useful that will be when plenty of girls who don’t mention it anywhere on their profiles will also do the same.

Offering OW only for someone who turns up and visibly can’t retract their foreskin is not uncommon, it’s sensible practice. It’s the girls who offer OWO no matter what the dick condition is you want to have warnings for, surely? Same goes for visible rashes, spots or just anything looking a bit odd down there, probably best to be safe rather than sorry and use a condom for oral if there’s any doubt about hygiene.

If it’s impossible for me to tell whether you are able to clean yourself properly then who can blame us for not wanting to suck a potentially cheesy cock? And if you have phimosis then can’t you try some treatments for it first or just accept OW?

[big-al93]

Surely a much more useful list is of SP's who refuse OWO for guys with phimosis, that do not mention it on the profile or as you say, say yes to everything in comms but refuse when you get there. To me I don't mind who SP's don't want to see (size, ethnicity, disabled, whatever), just be upfront about it. The same goes for certain services, if there are specific restrictions. At discretion doesn't really cover it well enough. From our side if there's anything that we are aware of that might make the SP uncomfortable, we need to make that known in comms. I'm a fat git so I started off mentioning it, but it has not really been a problem, so now I only usually mention it if I'm trying to book a size 6/8 these days. But as I only want to see SP's that are happy to see me, it just makes sense, I'd hate for the door to open and a look of horror pass across her face.I would then not enjoy the booking wondering if she is trying to think of how to refuse service.

[Strawberry]

Seems you didn't properly read my reply. As I say, I can and do retract my foreskin to clean every day however when fully erect this is often not comfortable/possible.

Just because a man may be unable to retract his foreskin when erect does not mean he is unable to do so when flaccid and is unclean.

My experience is that some men with phimosis know, are able to retract and clean. Some do not, and equally some men without phimosis are not aware that skin and fluids build up under the foreskin and thus do not clean under their foreskin. Some may not realise this due to body size and shape.

I'll never forget the first time plates of white cheese emerged without warning.

That wasn't the tightest foreskin I have encountered, and others tighter have been very clean.

[KatieEdinburgh]

Surely a much more useful list is of SP's who refuse OWO for guys with phimosis, that do not mention it on the profile or as you say, say yes to everything in comms but refuse when you get there.

But it is quite hard* to offer a 100% guarantee for OWO when it clearly does depend (rightfully so) on levels of personal hygiene. That’s why ‘at discretion’ is a pretty good term for this. Somebody describing themselves as “very clean” in comms might not be, although thankfully I’ve found it not a problem very often it does happen so makes sense to have this.

As Strawberry said, some men without phimosis don’t know how to clean themselves either… I’m not trying to demonise clients with the condition, but maybe if you can only pull back the foreskin whilst flaccid then you could try and find a way to show us that (after cum?) but really all we’re wanting to do is check that you’re clean.

It’s funny because unlike the other lists like bareback/No Blacks Allowed etc, this will probably be one that most WGs would actually WANT to be featured on… Anyone who is clued up about hygiene anyway.

*pardon the pun 

[Lou2019]

Not quite sure you've gotten this right. Personally, I can fully retract my foreskin when flaccid and will do so every day to clean myself of course and of course before any booking I make sure I am sparkling however when fully erect it's almost impossible for me to retract it and if I do it will get stuck behind my glans painfully!

Not sure if this is phimosis or not but at least in my case, having a foreskin that will not fully retract when I'm erect does not mean that I am unclean or do not clean myself daily in that area.

Of course it's fine if a SW won't see a client for that reason but, her choice entirely who she sees, but please avoid making sweeping generalisations.

To be fair by the time I see the penis it is already hard! If the foreskin isn’t fully retractable (so I can clearly see what’s going on down there)I’m not doing OW. I don’t see why we should have to state this on our profiles guys surely you must understand it maybe be OW in this situation without having to spell it out  :unknown

[Lou2019]

My experience is that some men with phimosis know, are able to retract and clean. Some do not, and equally some men without phimosis are not aware that skin and fluids build up under the foreskin and thus do not clean under their foreskin. Some may not realise this due to body size and shape.

I'll never forget the first time plates of white cheese emerged without warning.

That wasn't the tightest foreskin I have encountered, and others tighter have been very clean.

This 

[Lou2019]

But it is quite hard* to offer a 100% guarantee for OWO when it clearly does depend (rightfully so) on levels of personal hygiene. That’s why ‘at discretion’ is a pretty good term for this. Somebody describing themselves as “very clean” in comms might not be, although thankfully I’ve found it not a problem very often it does happen so makes sense to have this.

As Strawberry said, some men without phimosis don’t know how to clean themselves either… I’m not trying to demonise clients with the condition, but maybe if you can only pull back the foreskin whilst flaccid then you could try and find a way to show us that (after cum?) but really all we’re wanting to do is check that you’re clean.

It’s funny because unlike the other lists like bareback/No Blacks Allowed etc, this will probably be one that most WGs would actually WANT to be featured on… Anyone who is clued up about hygiene anyway.

*pardon the pun

And this 

[Sunny]

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[MysteryManNo.7]

To be fair by the time I see the penis it is already hard! If the foreskin isn’t fully retractable (so I can clearly see what’s going on down there)I’m not doing OW. I don’t see why we should have to state this on our profiles guys surely you must understand it maybe be OW in this situation without having to spell it out  :unknown

I was going to mention that almost every time I've met an escort I'm at full-mast. Personally I've been complimented by many an escort on my hygiene which is somewhat worrying as it seems many clients do not prioritise being clean for meetings which is something I cannot fathom. I will happily shower at the in call location if insisted even though I will always shower before leaving for my journey to her.

Of the 70 plus escorts I've seen only one refused OWO and that was because she had a mouth ulcer and was worried about passing something on. I believe her as she told me this before I handed her the money and she said it was fine if I didn't want to go through with the booking. I did and it was a great booking despite no OWO. I've also only ever had one escort ask if my foreskin comes back (which it basically does not when erect) and she still was happy to perform OWO.

As has been said, it's fine if you have a method and you insist on having the foreskin being drawn back prior to OWO but you should state this on your profile or in communication before meeting a client. Personally, if I was not told this prior to a meeting, your profile said OWO and at the meeting when I'm erect and unable to pull back my foreskin and as a result you refuse OWO even though I'm showered maybe multiple times, I would take that as you simply trying to get out of offering a service and would review you negatively as a result. I imagine I would not be alone in doing this either.

Yes, I understand everything is at your discretion, of course but I have had escorts that I've seen before warn me prior to confirming a booking that they had stopped offering certain services such as RO or CIM and that's fine as long as I am informed of this beforehand and not when I've travelled to the booking and I'm suddenly told a load of services aren't on offer.

[Doc Holliday]

Just curious, but how many guys manipulate the labia minora, to look for presence of smegma (around the clitoral hood especially) prior to dining at the Y?

[Lou2019]

Just curious, but how many guys manipulate the labia minora, to look for presence of smegma (around the clitoral hood especially) prior to dining at the Y?

Not many guys even know female smegma exists (and a lot of women too for that matter!)

[MissWolf]

Just curious, but how many guys manipulate the labia minora, to look for presence of smegma (around the clitoral hood especially) prior to dining at the Y?

I'd just give them bonus points for actually finding my the clit 



obviously joking

[Doc Holliday]

I'd just give them bonus points for actually finding my the clit 

 

[MysteryManNo.7]

I'd just give them bonus points for actually finding my the clit 



obviously joking

All joking aside, I'm curious if you find that clients in general genuinely do struggle to locate and stimulate your clit or is it more a case that you find most clients are focused on their pleasure alone?

Personally I love pleasuring the women I'm with, even though I'm obviously paying them for my pleasure, and I understand the clit is my friend and ally in achieving this. I draw pleasure from her pleasure and I feel it results in a better experience overall and is only polite.

[tightfoot69]

I suffered with Phimosis until I got circumcised just over 10 years ago. It is so much better now. I can’t believe that I put up with it for so long.

[JontyR]

Personally I've been complimented by many an escort on my hygiene which is somewhat worrying as it seems many clients do not prioritise being clean for meetings which is something I cannot fathom.

You are right to be worried. It's part of the standard SP playbook to mention something truthful and positive about the punter and their physical presence. If they all say that you are clean it means you haven't got a lot else going for you.

[Asmodeus]

You are right to be worried. It's part of the standard SP playbook to mention something truthful and positive about the punter and their physical presence. If they all say that you are clean it means you haven't got a lot else going for you.

Talk about murder by words!

[Asmodeus]

Also, another "fly in the ointment" for those uncircumcised is the increased susceptibility to STIs. See here: External Link/Members Only.

I wonder if the incidences were more in those unfortunate to suffer from phimosis?

[MysteryManNo.7]

You are right to be worried. It's part of the standard SP playbook to mention something truthful and positive about the punter and their physical presence. If they all say that you are clean it means you haven't got a lot else going for you.

Not sure why you would draw that conclusion, appears I've touched a nerve 

[MysteryManNo.7]

Also, another "fly in the ointment" for those uncircumcised is the increased susceptibility to STIs. See here: External Link/Members Only.

I wonder if the incidences were more in those unfortunate to suffer from phimosis?

That study only refers to South Africa, a place that already has a high level of STI relative to most of the world.

[Sleet]

I suffered with Phimosis until I got circumcised just over 10 years ago. It is so much better now. I can’t believe that I put up with it for so long.

+1 except had mine removed 30+ years ago.

[MissWolf]

All joking aside, I'm curious if you find that clients in general genuinely do struggle to locate and stimulate your clit or is it more a case that you find most clients are focused on their pleasure alone?

Personally I love pleasuring the women I'm with, even though I'm obviously paying them for my pleasure, and I understand the clit is my friend and ally in achieving this. I draw pleasure from her pleasure and I feel it results in a better experience overall and is only polite.

Tbh it's about 70/30% on finding it or knowing where it is and not having a bloody clue, as in here's a barn door fuck me I've missed it!

Of the 70% I'd say most are better with their tongue than with fingers, however its a different thing actually stimulating a woman in a way that gets them off as like wanking we are all a little bit different in how we do it, the pressure, speed etc communication is key.

Some women are massively more sensitive than others and don't like direct stimulation to the nub/hood, the area with the sensitive nerve endings extends above the nub area so many prefer a 'miss' as it does a better job without the pain.

Then there are the guys who seem to just be able to go there and press that button with impunity,  I can't say they are the ones I find sexy or that I fancy because annoyingly it always seems to be the opposite but I can say I find it easier to orgasm by clitoral stimulation with a regular client than a new one.

What is frustrating is those guys who think flicking your clit or frankly any bit of the wet bits in a finger curling and uncurling motion (like you would if you were scratching an itch) is OK.....news in it isnt  that involves nails and sharp edges,  please just the end pads of your fingers with a little pressure.

The same as fingers inside, don't keep your hand still and just curl and uncurl your fingers against the front wall of the vagina in the hope of getting us to squirt, its not happening (or not for me anyway) you are just ripping our skin, use the finger pads with slightly bent fingers, apply pressure and move your hand for the motion.

Obviously other women are different but that's my take 

[LLPunting]

Punters are meant to do their research, first and foremost by reading the SP's profile, so if she clearly states any conditions concerning the delivery of any of her services then there's no real need to have a "list".

This kind of thread might be useful for noting those SP's/pimps/angencies who actually refuse to be upfront about any conditions that make any of the services a punter might be requesting "at discretion" aka "refused on site/sight", but then we'd have a ton of threads about all the services that were "lied about", as well as reviews.

A punter is responsible for confirming the services he wants to pay for, whether inclusive or as extras, if he fails to negotiate that before booking and subsequently leaves when refused on site then that's down to him, as much as the SP.

Searching through threads doesn't seem to be many punters' forte so it would be best that reviews are written and details such as these are clearly captured, as would any (grateful) note of the SP making a point of checking a punter "qualifies" for the services he's seeking.

The TOFTT thread and other "new girl" ones note desirable unknowns and updates there after someone has made an enquiry would be sufficient and narrow the avenues of search.  As would updates on reviews where an SP has changed her screening and criteria if a review can't be written; update any review that convinced you to try the SP, especially if it details services that are now gated or withdrawn.

Given the counter-points made above, lists can be seen as persecutory, it would make much more sense if a punter suggests to the SP that they update their profile to avoid more wasted enquiries, if they are confronted with an unadvertised limitation.  If said polite suggestion is (rudely) rejected then that would be one prime reason to report back here against whatever existing entry the SP has or to add her to a genuinely worthwhile list.

[Clitheroelad]

I developed Phimosis later in life and had to have a circumcision. Ive only seen 2 WG's since having it done and they both said they prefer it.

[MysteryManNo.7]

I developed Phimosis later in life and had to have a circumcision. Ive only seen 2 WG's since having it done and they both said they prefer it.

Glad to hear it worked out for you. Getting a bit off topic, circumcision is something I have mixed feelings on. IMO, there is no excuse for circumcising babies or young children, this is purely genital mutilation, however, if later in life as a grown man you choose to have the procedure done for whatever reason, because you have phimosis or you just want it done for aesthetic reasons that's fine as it is an informed choice and of course, your body, your choice.

[MysteryManNo.7]

Tbh it's about 70/30% on finding it or knowing where it is and not having a bloody clue, as in here's a barn door fuck me I've missed it!

Of the 70% I'd say most are better with their tongue than with fingers, however its a different thing actually stimulating a woman in a way that gets them off as like wanking we are all a little bit different in how we do it, the pressure, speed etc communication is key.

Some women are massively more sensitive than others and don't like direct stimulation to the nub/hood, the area with the sensitive nerve endings extends above the nub area so many prefer a 'miss' as it does a better job without the pain.

Then there are the guys who seem to just be able to go there and press that button with impunity,  I can't say they are the ones I find sexy or that I fancy because annoyingly it always seems to be the opposite but I can say I find it easier to orgasm by clitoral stimulation with a regular client than a new one.

What is frustrating is those guys who think flicking your clit or frankly any bit of the wet bits in a finger curling and uncurling motion (like you would if you were scratching an itch) is OK.....news in it isnt  that involves nails and sharp edges,  please just the end pads of your fingers with a little pressure.

The same as fingers inside, don't keep your hand still and just curl and uncurl your fingers against the front wall of the vagina in the hope of getting us to squirt, its not happening (or not for me anyway) you are just ripping our skin, use the finger pads with slightly bent fingers, apply pressure and move your hand for the motion.

Obviously other women are different but that's my take 

Thank you for the detailed response, I do really enjoy getting a woman's perspective, particularly a service provider's perspective on these things.

One thing I love is that fact that all the women I've been with are different and it's fun learning what turns them on as individuals and how to pleasure them.

I've had some women who cum hard from oral and others who get nothing from it. Some who can cum rapidly and others who require a good 20-25 minutes of stimulation to orgasm.

I remember one lady I saw in particular (April, worked briefly at HOD and left around early 2019) was genuinely shocked when I brought her to orgasm after roughly 20 minutes of oral as she told me that in her personal life she generally only slept with women and found most men to be terrible at pleasuring her as they would not listen to her when she told them how she liked to receive oral.

The orgasm was rather impressive and genuine (face, breasts, vulva flushed red, vagina/vulva and anus contracting and relaxing rapidly for a good 30 seconds plus, her unable to be touched for a good minute as she was super sensitive and she was even a bit spaced out right after it subsided) which is one of the reason I recall it even 3 years later. She was very appreciative that I listened to her and followed directions which is something I always make sure to do with every woman I'm with and it's never steered me wrong!

As I've mentioned previously, it pleasures me to give pleasure and I find I'm happy just being in the act.

[proton.punter]

You do seem to be missing the point of my post.

Seems some people are keen to post their opinion without the ability to read, don’t stress over it 

[LLPunting]

If you must have a list thread then how about "SPs who WILL see you if you have phimosis (subject to ...)" ?

[FiveKnuckles]

Yes, I would go to the toilet at some point during the day before meeting a WG. That doesn't mean I have a foreskin soaked in piss.

well technically if you go for a pee before a meet, your 'inner foreskin' will be soaked in piss due to the way it retracts.   next time you go toilet, after you finished pull back and wipe to check how much urine is picked up.

[RAJEC]

If someone doesn’t want to suck your cock because they don’t want to…

They don’t have to 

Lol, not sure what’s so difficult to understand about that 

[MysteryManNo.7]

If someone doesn’t want to suck your cock because they don’t want to…

They don’t have to 

Lol, not sure what’s so difficult to understand about that 

That was not the point being made and being obtuse and playing dumb acting like it was won't sneak past. Unless you're not acting dumb I  which case.....oh dear 

[Conkers13]

I've got phimosis and I am being circumcised next week. It has got more and more painful when having sex in the last two years.

[Stevelondon]

I've got phimosis and I am being circumcised next week. It has got more and more painful when having sex in the last two years.

Best thing you can do. A mate of mine years back (we are talking years) had it done after meeting the girl he eventually married. I don't think it was so much of a problem when he was just shagging and using a rubber. But when he was getting it regularly with the same girl and they did'nt have to use protection...it became an issue.
Little pain for a couple of weeks and everything will be fine.

[RAJEC]

That was not the point being made and being obtuse and playing dumb acting like it was won't sneak past. Unless you're not acting dumb I  which case.....oh dear 

Oh dear indeed.

[PatMacGroin]

My experience is that some men with phimosis know, are able to retract and clean. Some do not, and equally some men without phimosis are not aware that skin and fluids build up under the foreskin and thus do not clean under their foreskin. Some may not realise this due to body size and shape.

I'll never forget the first time plates of white cheese emerged without warning.

That wasn't the tightest foreskin I have encountered, and others tighter have been very clean.

Thank you Strawberry for acknowledging this.

My concern is that there appears to be a growing attitude that phimosis automatically means an unclean penis. Several of the comments on this thread reflect that attitude. But it's not true.

I understand that the most reliable way for a SP to inspect a penis is to retract the foreskin. I accept that some will not feel comfortable providing OWO if they are unable to do that. I have had my penis inspected hundreds of times and none have refused me OWO if it is a service they regularly provide.