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Offline Marmalade

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I always enjoy reading when travelling, whether a long bus drive or intercontinental flights. I like books, the ones made out of paper, and even better if I can cram it into a jeans back pocket. They don’t need batteries, charging points or wifi. They don’t break if dropped on tarmac, can sustain a light shower and can even be used as a pillow in extremis.

But there are times when they can be less than ideal. Pages have to be held open. They can be hard to read in low light. And more than one consumes that valuable commodity — space. I like the feel and even the smell of a book. I like to read a previous owner’s margin notes. A well-designed cover can be a prize visual possession when travelling light and they can even be a conversation starter. All of these things would go out the window with an electronic reading device (no-one is likely to ask “what are you reading” as you’re glued to a digital screen). Yet the kindle/iPad/tablet surely has its advantages.

What are your experiences? Currently, for reading, I only use such things (mostly an iPad) for reference, to search a document or look something up. If it’s important, I’ll print it. If it’s a book, I’ll order a print version. So what am I missing? Even a casual search for ‘kindle’ suggests such a bewildering host of options that it looks complex a choice. Yet people increasing use such things. If you do, what were your reasons for buying, did it satisfy them, do you still read paper versions and what’s the balance, when where and why? Recommendations?

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I read eBooks on my phone. It's not a great experience, but it's good enough.

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I just use the kindle app on my tablet & iPhone. I have recently gone back to reading proper books.
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Paper book cant be beaten especially if you need to check the index or a glossary whilst reading, Kindle ( I use an older model with buttons to turn page, hate touch screens) for convenience, ie travelling light

Offline sir wanksalot

I've bought loads of Kindles for a relative (long story that I won't go into).

Just get a basic version. Size of storage is largely irrelevant as who really needs to be able to store 20+ books in a device at any given time?

If you want a slight upgrade then get one with a backlight.

Yes, you can also use the app on your smartphone or tablet but ereaders are designed not to tire the eyes out after extended use

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ereaders are designed not to tire the eyes out after extended use
That sounds like a key feature.

I wonder why an iPad doesn’t have the same technology, especially when it costs much more. Yet vast difference in e-reader prices. I can see how memory size is not worth paying for, then the backlight makes sense? Or a more expensive has a ‘warm’ backlight. Are they really very different to use? I’ll ask for a demo next time I’m in a shop that sells them.

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Kindle ( I use an older model with buttons to turn page, hate touch screens) for convenience, ie travelling light

So just for travelling? (which sounds attractive if it doesn’t cost too much).

I also wonder about the reading experience. There seems a big difference in the quality of formatting for e-books. Is formatting better when reading on a kindle tablet as opposed to the app?

Offline mradventures

i have the original nook
i think i prefered it too the kindles i saw a couple of years ago.. (page refresh was just handled better)
but key advantages are, not light emitting display (unless u have with a backlight and use it) great battery life as they sip power (unless back lit)
they arent far off equivilent of looking at paper, but u get much less text per page/screen. formatting can go wonky but on novels thats unlikely..
there light weight, and mostly comfortable to use, you can search through a entire book and do lots of document things if you want too.
e ink screens are *much* less abrasive on the eyes than lcd,oled etc
the software calibre can convert books between formats
i havent looked at e readers for awhile, so cant really say buy this one or that one.

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Library books,the quality of them is better these days with new ones for borrowing.

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I read everything on a Kindle books,newspaper/mags which I never thought I would.
So much more convenient and you usually get extra content,the daily paper is nearly a third of the printed cost.
My only gripe is you can't read it with polarised sunglasses on
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So just for travelling? (which sounds attractive if it doesn’t cost too much).

I also wonder about the reading experience. There seems a big difference in the quality of formatting for e-books. Is formatting better when reading on a kindle tablet as opposed to the app?

I bought mine used off eBay some years ago for about £30, battery life is not as good as it used to be, but it's a Mk 4 model, as I said before it has buttons to page turn, wont use a touch screen hence no smart phone, reading quality is much better on a dedicated e reader. I take it to work most day to read on my lunch break, or when traveling, beats taking 14 books for a two week holiday. (yes I can read a book a day)
Kindle deals on amazon, are a good way to build a library, from 0p , 99p and upwards

Offline Rick2468

Hi OP we exchanged some interesting posts on The Books Thread before!

I'm a keen reader and read 50 to 70 books a year. I enjoy mixing between real books and a paperwhite Kindle. When I first heard about Kindle's I hated the thought of them as I thought physical books had a unique charm about them, I enjoy seeing them on the bookshelf and opening up a book I read years ago to find a train ticket or similar that reminds me where I was when I read it. I got a greyscale Kindle as a Christmas present in 2011 and I warmed to it very quickly. I travelled a lot on busy tubes and trains and you didn't need much space to pull the Kindle out and read a couple of chapters. Some books are too big to handle on trains. The Kindle is very resilient as well and can take a few splashes and knocks and keep working. However I would recommend getting a case for it just to preserve it, my main worry is that I will scratch the screen against my keys in my bag so the case stops that. I got a case for about £15.

Detailed diagrams and maps can be quite hard to read on Kindles so that is a downside. It is also much harder to flip back a few pages when you want to refer back so that is another downside (I'm bad at remembering names in books so often have to go back to remind myself who is who!).

I upgraded to a paperwhite Kindle about 5 years ago and it's great. It's worth paying the extra £20 for the paperwhite model over the greyscale one. I did look at the Oasis kindle model and it is a lovely model but I felt it was too nice and if I owned it I would be too worried just to carelessly chuck it into my bag or read it in the bath like I do with my Paperwhite.

I use Calibre which is a free software package to manage my books. You can remove the Digital Rights Management from the books you buy from Amazon so you can use them on non-Kindle devices. I was considering buying a Kobo when I ultimately got my Paperwhite so it is nice to have the option to move all your books over.

Despite my fondness for the Kindle I do like to read a physical book from time to time. I think about 25% of the books I read are physical books and I buy a physical edition of a book from time to time just to mix it up. A few years ago I bought East of Eden on Kindle and I was reading it and about 100 pages in I was enjoying it so much and it felt so vintage that it didn't feel right reading it on Kindle so I bought an old copy from a second hand bookshop in London.  So I ended up buying it twice but that was a one off occasion.

I have a Galaxy Tablet that I use for internet browsing and music. I don't read traditional books on there ever. I do read graphic novels on there quite a lot as they look great on the screen. Quite often physical versions of graphic novels can cost, say £40 whereas you can get the digital version for less than £10 which I much prefer as they normally only take a couple of hours to read. Luckily my local library has a great graphic novel collection so I am able to borrow a fair amount from there.

Let us know what you decide to do.

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One more question… how easy are they to read in bright sunlight eg on the beach? Phones and iPads are useless.

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I had, literally, hundreds and hundreds of books - one wall was all bookshelves. 

I was given a Kindle by my sister.  Initially l just used it on holiday as it took a lot less space in my luggage than six or seven books. Gradually, I found myself downloading Kindle versions of books that I already had on the shelf.

Moving house, albeit to a bigger house, finally killed  off the bookshelves, and I now only read books on the Kindle.

Offline sir wanksalot

One more question… how easy are they to read in bright sunlight eg on the beach? Phones and iPads are useless.

They're designed to replicate paper reading so in sunlight should be fine.

Remember that smartphones and tablets are not dedicated e-readers

Offline The0neAnd0nly

They're designed to replicate paper reading so in sunlight should be fine.

Remember that smartphones and tablets are not dedicated e-readers

+1 - I have a Kindle Paperwhite and there is zero glare on the screen just like a book.

I agree that I prefer a proper paperback book as opposed to reading on a tablet or phone. The smell and feel of a book is part of its charm. When travelling on holiday or around the country though a eReader is the dogs bollocks for convenience!

You can also buy screen protectors for certain models if you find you are getting glare in sunlight.

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One more question… how easy are they to read in bright sunlight eg on the beach? Phones and iPads are useless.

What phone do you have? I have a S21 and have no issues with reading on it in sunlight

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What phone do you have? I have a S21 and have no issues with reading on it in sunlight
Ahhhh for Samsung — though my last Galaxy bricked.
I guess Apple will one day catch up with the technology.  :D

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+1 - I have a Kindle Paperwhite and there is zero glare on the screen just like a book.

You can also buy screen protectors for certain models if you find you are getting glare in sunlight.

So is there any reason not to get the cheapest one? A basic refurbished model seems to be about 60 quid — which is almost (if one doesn’t like it) a ‘disposable’ price. Then Amazon have one at twice that ‘with ads’ and ‘without ads’ for another tenner. I certainly don’t want ads when I’m reading a book.

I thought screen protectors were just to help prevent damage. Though they can also reduce sensitivity. I suppose if some are highly reflective that could be a problem.

Books obviously have to be downloaded. So what’s the included tech? Wifi only? Broadband? Plug in? Does everything have to come from the kindle store or can I download and read PDFs and other books from my Dropbox? Amazon suggest an extra 18 quid for a charger. Really? Is it a standard USB-micro charging connection on a Kindle (like on an Android phone)?

Thanks if anyone can be bothered answering. Most of the advert specs seem to assume I already know everything about a kindle without having bought one.  :dash:


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So is there any reason not to get the cheapest one? A basic refurbished model seems to be about 60 quid — which is almost (if one doesn’t like it) a ‘disposable’ price. Then Amazon have one at twice that ‘with ads’ and ‘without ads’ for another tenner. I certainly don’t want ads when I’m reading a book.

I thought screen protectors were just to help prevent damage. Though they can also reduce sensitivity. I suppose if some are highly reflective that could be a problem.

Books obviously have to be downloaded. So what’s the included tech? Wifi only? Broadband? Plug in? Does everything have to come from the kindle store or can I download and read PDFs and other books from my Dropbox? Amazon suggest an extra 18 quid for a charger. Really? Is it a standard USB-micro charging connection on a Kindle (like on an Android phone)?

Thanks if anyone can be bothered answering. Most of the advert specs seem to assume I already know everything about a kindle without having bought one.  :dash:

I know someone who got the version with ads and it is VERY unobtrusive. If I recall correctly it is only the screensaver in sleep mode that displays the ad. I don't think ads pop up every few pages which may have been your concern.

A cheap one will do you fine. Amazon pretty much nailed it with the Kindle first time around but of course they can't admit that otherwise they wouldn't be able to release newer versions of it every year!

Ebay sell cheap ones. They should all have wifi so you would then log into your Amazon account and buy a Kindle book and then download. You could,of course, tether a USB cable to connect your device to your PC and do the same OR do what I do and download most of the books illegally from a well known website :cool:

If you already have some tech in your house then I don't see the need for you to buy a separate charger

Offline mradventures

there fine in sunlight, as the screens are e ink they work differently to lcd/oled, External Link/Members Only effectively they are swapping a dot of pigment around, and they arent trying to overpower the sun :)


i did look and the cheapest nook's off ebay are 20-30 quid range

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oh one caviat on the charging, i think some devices with tiny batteries dont get on with high amp output usb chargers, so you might really need to use a vanilla 500ma one

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You don't need to "buy" any books to download, there are literally 1000a of free ones. Equally,  you don't need to get them from Amazon for a Kindle, either. My Kindle happily accepts .pdfs any source.
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  • The actual plug though – Standard micro-USB for charging or not?
    (hate carrying so many cables and cable-free charging is just another cable unless several devices use it)
According to wiki, most do, though Paperwhite 5 has a USB-C port, faster and same as iPad, but lack of support for e-books found outside of the Kindle Store.
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I had an Amazon Fire that I got in a Black Friday sale and found it pretty useless yet they seem to be listed with kindles.
Some gripes that I guess be wary of for kindles(?)...
  • The battery didn't last long.
  • The screen touch sensitivity was very poor (am used to Apple which aren't perfect but at least work ok most of the time).
  • The touch speed was very poor – turning pages or searching a document.
  • The wi-fi connectivity was poor. With a standard wifi, different devices have very different connectivity reliability.
  • Endless so-called 'recommendations' (I class thee as ads, and I see only later versions allow them to be turned off).


An Amazon Black Friday Fire is not the same as a kindle but it does remind me of annoying issues.

I found this comparison table and wiki:
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plus this that lists different types of e-Ink
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    • The actual plug though – Standard micro-USB for charging or not?
      (hate carrying so many cables and cable-free charging is just another cable unless several devices use it)
    According to wiki, most do, though Paperwhite 5 has a USB-C port, faster and same as iPad, but lack of support for e-books found outside of the Kindle Store.
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    I had an Amazon Fire that I got in a Black Friday sale and found it pretty useless yet they seem to be listed with kindles.
    Some gripes that I guess be wary of for kindles(?)...
    • The battery didn't last long.
    • The screen touch sensitivity was very poor (am used to Apple which aren't perfect but at least work ok most of the time).
    • The touch speed was very poor – turning pages or searching a document.
    • The wi-fi connectivity was poor. With a standard wifi, different devices have very different connectivity reliability.
    • Endless so-called 'recommendations' (I class thee as ads, and I see only later versions allow them to be turned off).


    An Amazon Black Friday Fire is not the same as a kindle but it does remind me of annoying issues.

    I found this comparison table and wiki:
    External Link/Members Only
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    plus this that lists different types of e-Ink
    External Link/Members Only

    An Amazon Fire is not a Kindle. It's a hybrid tablet/reading device.

    You don't need lightning fast wifi with a Kindle as you would only need to access the net to download books (if you choose to do so via Amazon).

    If you don't want any ads/recommendations then pay a little extra for the ad free one.

    You can pick new ones up on Ebay for approx £ 50.

    To avoid any confusion....do NOT get an Amazon Fire. Get a proper Kindle

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    Many thanks to everyone for their kind and patient answers! Sorted.  :drinks:

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    the fire is just a mediocure android tablet, but on a fork of android so its even more tedious
    (i own one)

    Offline Stevelondon

    I love to read and I love to read a good old fashioned book. It has something to do with not only the printed word on a page. But the feel of it too. Old fashioned I guess. A bit like letter writing being a thing of the past and yet. I also love to put pen to paper. The art of handwriting has gone out the window too.

    But saying that. I read on my laptop quite a lot.
    I downloaded every copy of the Peter James Brighton detective series. Simply because I read the first couple of ones out of turn. My god if you look you can download everything off tinterweb nowadays.  :D

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    the fire is just a mediocure android tablet, but on a fork of android so its even more tedious
    (i own one)
    Me too. Fucking waste of money. Used it for about an hour or so for a couple of days and not touched it since,

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    Kindle arrived. Can’t say it’s love at first sight. The actual scree area ismaller than the page-print of a small penguin. Confusing array of sign-up options and controls. Screen not very responsive compared to an iPhone though better than a Fire.

    Experimented by buying one technical book I have in hard copy and one paperback book that I’m reading anyway in hard copy. The second is ok if I get used to the pagination. The technical book is useless. You need something bigger. It’s a high-concentration book and one needs to be able to see a full paragraph at a glance together with footnotes, so returned it for refund.

    The search for a couple of books I want was fruitless. Turned to my iPhone, quickly got one from Amazon and the other from AbeBooks, both s/h and at a very good price. I’m guessing the large number of books I read are probably unsuitable for kindle.

    It is, however, very light. The screen is easy to read (if less easy to navigate) and as people have said, not likely to cause eye-strain. Seems ideal perhaps for light reading — nothing heavy-going where you need to check back to page 310 for the exact meaning of something or read endnotes and bibliographies.

    Other slight irritation I have (though I’m sure it will pass) is the narrow difference between free with Prime (which I have), free with Unlimited (which is the cost of a book a month and doesn’t seem worth it to me just now), paid, and samples. The samples are the most irritating. Standard Amazon ‘look inside’ feature is much more useful.