Are Chelsea on the same payroll as all the other prima donnas?

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So Chelsea won’t travel abroad because of their fear of the jab.
I wager not one of the current squad could even spell mumps, polio, measles.

Pathetic.
I’ll wait for the bounce back from the few who might not have an idea.
Just surmising
 
PP

[mr.bluesky]

Am I missing something here but aren't Chelsea playing abroad in Abu Dhabi in the World Club championship at this very moment.

[daviemac]

Am I missing something here but aren't Chelsea playing abroad in Abu Dhabi in the World Club championship at this very moment.

They are in the final that's being held in Abu Dhabi on Saturday, I wonder if it's been a world first and played remotely EA Sports' FIFA style on PlayStation or X box. Perhaps PP can clarify.   

[Marmalade]

With a São Paulo team. BBC Saturday I think.

[Marmalade]

So are there any Chelsea fans on here?? Not me. I do think it’s a bit strange though holding footie matches in a country where they’ll get sand blown up their arse.

[mr.bluesky]

With a São Paulo team. BBC Saturday I think.

On channel 4 Saturday 4:30 pm according to the "live football on TV " website.

[Marmalade]

On channel 4 Saturday 4:30 pm according to the "live football on TV " website.

Correct. 

[stevedave]

Am I alone here in wondering what the actual fuck the OP is on about?

[chrishornx]

Am I alone here in wondering what the actual fuck the OP is on about?

total jibber and fundamentally wrong Of course they will travel abroad they have been playing in the champions league all season and won it last season 

OP has just missed that there are specific restrictions in France causing problems for one match not the whole of the world

[lillythesavage]

Am I alone here in wondering what the actual fuck the OP is on about?

Not at all, A clue to the which payroll he means would help, 

[chrishornx]

So are there any Chelsea fans on here?? Not me. I do think it’s a bit strange though holding footie matches in a country where they’ll get sand blown up their arse.

Money & Emirates

daft tournament

[theblade]

Am I alone here in wondering what the actual fuck the OP is on about?

What I think the member is on about is
Chelsea are playing Lillie in the Champions League soon. France aren’t letting in unvaccinated people, so a few of their players aren’t vaccinated so won’t be able to go to the away leg

[Colston36]

Money & Emirates

daft tournament

Football now is ALL about money. Sport is irrelevant. The richest Arabs/Yanks buy a club, pour in the cash for players and a manager and away you go. I recall that when he was widely seen as the best footballer in the world, Stanley Matthews was paid £5 a week. Now the proven accessory to murder who runs Saudi Arabia has bought that club up North let's see how they do.

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They are in the final that's being held in Abu Dhabi on Saturday, I wonder if it's been a world first and played remotely EA Sports' FIFA style on PlayStation or X box. Perhaps PP can clarify.   

DM
I was curious that a large number of Chelsea squad have refused the covid vaccination..
Presumably Abu Dhabi is immune.
Good job the match isn’t in Australia!
 
Here’s what the manager said yesterday
“ Chelsea into Club World Cup final
Manager Thomas Tuchel, who tested positive for coronavirus on Saturday and is not yet in Abu Dhabi, has previously said: "At some point, everybody who is not vaccinated will face some consequences.

"If players are not allowed to travel to France, this can create problems for us in not being able to use key players."

Earlier this month, the Premier League said 80% of its players had been double jabbed.”

Horses mouth?
 

[GingerNuts]

DM
I was curious that a large number of Chelsea squad have refused the covid vaccination..
Presumably Abu Dhabi is immune.
Good job the match isn’t in Australia!
 
Here’s what the manager said yesterday
“ Chelsea into Club World Cup final
Manager Thomas Tuchel, who tested positive for coronavirus on Saturday and is not yet in Abu Dhabi, has previously said: "At some point, everybody who is not vaccinated will face some consequences.

"If players are not allowed to travel to France, this can create problems for us in not being able to use key players."

Earlier this month, the Premier League said 80% of its players had been double jabbed.”

Horses mouth?
 

Chelsea haven't disclosed who or how many players are unvaccinated. How do you know it's materially any different than other clubs?

[daviemac]

Football now is ALL about money. Sport is irrelevant. The richest Arabs/Yanks buy a club, pour in the cash for players and a manager and away you go. I recall that when he was widely seen as the best footballer in the world, Stanley Matthews was paid £5 a week. Now the proven accessory to murder who runs Saudi Arabia has bought that club up North let's see how they do.

Since you seem to know better that all the legal representatives of the Football Association, I hope you can substantiate that accusation . You are on a very sticky wicket if you can't show it to be true.

Newcastle United were bought by the Saudi Public Investment Fund and there is no link between that and the Saudi rulers. The PIF invest in many things world wide two of which, Asda and Uber, you may also be aware of.

Can I ask if you've been vaccinated and if so was it the Pfizer one 

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Chelsea haven't disclosed who or how many players are unvaccinated. How do you know it's materially any different than other clubs?

Perhaps if you look at previous managerial statements you will see there is concern.
If the manager has now tested positive does that mean the squad will have to isolate for five days.

Or can they afford Lateral flow tests on their inflated tax free salaries?
 

[Punterperson1971]

With a São Paulo team. BBC Saturday I think.

Chelsea play Monterry a Mexican side

[daviemac]

Chelsea play Monterry a Mexican side

They play Palmeiras, a Portuguese side. 

[mr.bluesky]

They play Palmeiras, a Portuguese side.

No Palmeiras are a Brazilian team from Sau Paulo. The Copa Libertadoress champions. That's how they qualified for the Word club championship. All the winners from all the Fifa conferences ie. South America, Europe, Asia etc European clubs have won it a total of 13 times with Real Madrid leading the way with 4 wins

[Punterperson1971]

They play Palmeiras, a Portuguese side.

Yes your right DM only saw the other result which was 3-1 to Monterrey thought the automatically played them 

[daviemac]

No Palmeiras are a Brazilian team from Sau Paulo. The Copa Libertadoress champions. That's how they qualified for the Word club championship. All the winners from all the Fifa conferences ie. South America, Europe, Asia etc European clubs have won it a total of 13 times with Real Madrid leading the way with 4 wins

Yeah, that's right I just looked for where Palmeiras is and first answer was Portugal. 

[chrishornx]

They play Palmeiras, a Portuguese side.

it couldn't be a Portuguese  team considering the competition

[GingerNuts]

Perhaps if you look at previous managerial statements you will see there is concern.

I'm sure there'd be concern for any club if they have unvaccinated players and vaccinations are required for travel. Please answer the question I asked and provide a source for what percentage of Chelsea players are vaccinated.

[daviemac]

it couldn't be a Portuguese  team considering the competition

As has been pointed out and conceded above.

[mr.bluesky]

Yeah, that's right I just looked for where Palmeiras is and first answer was Portugal.

They would speak Portuguese being a Brazilian team so you were nearly correct 

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I'm sure there'd be concern for any club if they have unvaccinated players and vaccinations are required for travel. Please answer the question I asked and provide a source for what percentage of Chelsea players are vaccinated.

GN. It was not my intention to quote percentages.
Merely echoing the comments by the current manager.
I’m sure all will be revealed in due course 

[Gordon Bennett]

This tournament doesn't seem to have the traction or popularity you'd imagine a "club world champions" thing would have does it?

I might tune in to a bit of it given its on free to air TV.

[mr.bluesky]

This tournament doesn't seem to have the traction or popularity you'd imagine a "club world champions" thing would have does it?

I might tune in to a bit of it given its on free to air TV.

No it's just another money making  cash cow for Fifa as it is usually staged in the far East or Middle East. I think the South American clubs take it more seriously than the European clubs. Given the time of the year its usually staged most European clubs would probably prefer to give it a miss as it disrupts their season  but they have to take part. One of the games played recently was a 5th place play off. Totally pointless. The winners are allowed to have a world club champions badge on their shirts if they win it. BIG DEAL ! It can't be that important as sky sport or BT sport don't even bother to cover it. 

[chrishornx]

It can't be that important as sky sport or BT sport don't even bother to cover it. 

sky and BT were basically unable to bid as they have live broadcast deals with the premier league and can't broadcast against their own games

there is usually  a 3pm blackout on live matches but FIFA matches are exempt and channel 4 won the bidding rights

[mr.bluesky]

sky and BT were basically unable to bid as they have live broadcast deals with the premier league and can't broadcast against their own games

there is usually  a 3pm blackout on live matches but FIFA matches are exempt and channel 4 won the bidding rights

  that explains it

[Colston36]

DM
I was curious that a large number of Chelsea squad have refused the covid vaccination..
Presumably Abu Dhabi is immune.
Good job the match isn’t in Australia!
 
Here’s what the manager said yesterday
“ Chelsea into Club World Cup final
Manager Thomas Tuchel, who tested positive for coronavirus on Saturday and is not yet in Abu Dhabi, has previously said: "At some point, everybody who is not vaccinated will face some consequences.

"If players are not allowed to travel to France, this can create problems for us in not being able to use key players."

Earlier this month, the Premier League said 80% of its players had been double jabbed.”

Horses mouth?
 

Vaccination does not prevent Covid. It radically reduces the consequences. I am triple vaccinated but still got it; the benefit was that the feeling was like having a mild cold. The fact that some footballers are too ignorant or stupid is another matter.

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Vaccination does not prevent Covid. It radically reduces the consequences. I am triple vaccinated but still got it; the benefit was that the feeling was like having a mild cold. The fact that some footballers are too ignorant or stupid is another matter.

I’m with you on that colston.
It is the safety of the general population that concerns me.
the stupid selfishness that is the most annoying result of these overpaid mediocre footballers hiding from their responsibilities.

[GingerNuts]

I’m with you on that colston.
It is the safety of the general population that concerns me.
the stupid selfishness that is the most annoying result of these overpaid mediocre footballers hiding from their responsibilities.

If 80% of Premier League footballers have been double vaccinated it's a higher persentage than the general population of similar age.

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If 80% of Premier League footballers have been double vaccinated it's a higher persentage than the general population of similar age.

That is supposed.
However there are 20 teams in the premiership. 80% is 16 teams
Ergo there are 4 teams unvaccinated.
Statistics can prove anything and nothing.
With the tribal mentality of these prima donnas is it possible there are pockets
Of group stupidity?

Nothing therefore can be ruled out
 

[GingerNuts]

That is supposed.
However there are 20 teams in the premiership. 80% is 16 teams
Ergo there are 4 teams unvaccinated.
Statistics can prove anything and nothing.
With the tribal mentality of these prima donnas is it possible there are pockets
Of group stupidity?

Nothing therefore can be ruled out
 

OK...

I'll leave you to your obsession with premier league footballers and Chelsea in particular.

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OK...

I'll leave you to your obsession with premier league footballers and Chelsea in particular.

GN you confuse obsession with observation.

It might as well be Burnley, Aston Villa, Crystal Palace.

Just unfortunate that the one side has come to the fore.

After all, the beauty of fora, is they allow open comment.
 

[Colston36]

Since you seem to know better that all the legal representatives of the Football Association, I hope you can substantiate that accusation . You are on a very sticky wicket if you can't show it to be true.

Newcastle United were bought by the Saudi Public Investment Fund and there is no link between that and the Saudi rulers. The PIF invest in many things world wide two of which, Asda and Uber, you may also be aware of.

Can I ask if you've been vaccinated and if so was it the Pfizer one 

I have been vaccinated, 3 times. Moderna.

No matter what the vaccination it does not prevent. merely minimises the effects. Ask our resident doctor: mine works at the Royal Infirmary, Bristol

If you put faith in the representatives of the FA, that is your privilege.

If you think there is no link between the Saudi government and their investments that is your decision.

Having worked with a state-owned Saudi entity I beg to disagree.

[Followyourdick]

Newcastle United were bought by the Saudi Public Investment Fund and there is no link between that and the Saudi rulers.

The Saudi PIF website itself quotes “under the chairmanship and guidance of HRH Prince Mohammed bin Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud.....”

[Marmalade]

I have been vaccinated, 3 times. Moderna.

No matter what the vaccination it does not prevent. merely minimises the effects.

While technically correct, isn’t this muddying the water somewhat? ‘Merely’ suggests that there’s not that much difference: whereas the difference between experiencing something as troublesome as the flu or a bad cold on the one hand and being hospitalised and possibly put in intensive care on the other is frankly enormous.

With Omicron I suspect the difference is less likely to be quite so vast. I’ve said for ages that everyone in the world will probably get omicron. But factor in people with serious conditions and also the older or even as yet undiscovered variants and it’s pretty important. Then there’s the unknown factor that disrupts things. The Winter Games has been afflicted with pretty horrible mass quarantining.

So I’m not disagreeing with you: just saying that it’s still quite a major issue.

[daviemac]

I have been vaccinated, 3 times. Moderna.

No matter what the vaccination it does not prevent. merely minimises the effects. Ask our resident doctor: mine works at the Royal Infirmary, Bristol

If you put faith in the representatives of the FA, that is your privilege.

If you think there is no link between the Saudi government and their investments that is your decision.

Having worked with a state-owned Saudi entity I beg to disagree.

It isn't me who is saying it, it's the Football Association and the Premier league who sanctioned the takeover (despite opposition from other Prem league clubs) after receiving legally binding assurances the the funding has nothing directly to do with the Saudi state. If they are wrong then the are wrong but can you show me how they are wrong. It would need to be provable fact not opinion or assumptions.

I was asking about your vaccine because the PIF have investment in Pfizer along with Disney, Facebook, Asda, Uber and Starbucks. There's an awful lot of hypocrisy about the Newcastle takeover. The UK's trade with Saudi is worth billions, exports include arms and imports oil, yet only one investment is mentioned.

[Followyourdick]

If they are wrong then the are wrong but can you show me how they are wrong. It would need to be provable fact not opinion or assumptions.

Other than MBS being chairman of PIF and the Crown Prince at the same time, sure, there is no link between them 🤔

They are fact by the way.

[daviemac]

Other than MBS being chairman of PIF and the Crown Prince at the same time, sure, there is no link between them 🤔

They are fact by the way.

Take it up with the FA and premier league, they say there is no connection, I'm just repeating information that has been made public. They must be satisfied that the Crown Prince in question is not involved in the political aspect of Saudi or if he is he has no say in the running of Newcastle United.

From the PL. -   External Link/Members Only

The Premier League, Newcastle United Football Club and St James Holdings Limited have today settled the dispute over the takeover of the club by the consortium of PIF, PCP Capital Partners and RB Sports & Media.

Following the completion of the Premier League's Owners' and Directors' Test, the club has been sold to the consortium with immediate effect.

The legal disputes concerned which entities would own and/or have the ability to control the club following the takeover.

All parties have agreed the settlement is necessary to end the long uncertainty for fans over the club’s ownership.

The Premier League has now received legally binding assurances that the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia will not control Newcastle United Football Club.

All parties are pleased to have concluded this process which gives certainty and clarity to Newcastle United Football Club and their fans.

All you've shown is that the chairman of the PIF is a Saudi prince, something I have never disputed, you haven't shown the statements above are wrong.

Edit

Just so there is no misunderstanding, I am only talking about the investment in Newcastle United, not Pfizer, Disney, Facebook, Asda, Uber, Starbucks or any other company the PIF have invested in. The Saudi government may well have a say in the running of those.

[Followyourdick]

Take it up with the FA and premier league, they say there is no connection, I'm just repeating information that has been made public. They must be satisfied that the Crown Prince in question is not involved in the political aspect of Saudi or if he is he has no say in the running of Newcastle United.

From the PL. -   External Link/Members Only you've shown is that the chairman of the PIF is a Saudi prince, something I have never disputed, you haven't shown the statements above are wrong.

Edit

Just so there is no misunderstanding, I am only talking about the investment in Newcastle United, not Pfizer, Disney, Facebook, Asda, Uber, Starbucks or any other company the PIF have invested in. The Saudi government may well have a say in the running of those.

You said there is no link between them, not the FA or the PL, they said the statements above which neither have I seen before or disputed. I’m simply pointing out the fact there is a link by definition the same bloke is in charge of both the PIF and the Saudi Kingdom.  If that’s not a link then I don’t know what is.

[daviemac]

You said there is no link between them, not the FA or the PL, they said the statements above which neither have I seen before or disputed. I’m simply pointing out the fact there is a link by definition the same bloke is in charge of both the PIF and the Saudi Kingdom.  If that’s not a link then I don’t know what is.

You really need to follow the thread mate, you are on a totally different topic to me. Colston posted this. -

Football now is ALL about money. Sport is irrelevant. The richest Arabs/Yanks buy a club, pour in the cash for players and a manager and away you go. I recall that when he was widely seen as the best footballer in the world, Stanley Matthews was paid £5 a week. Now the proven accessory to murder who runs Saudi Arabia has bought that club up North let's see how they do.

Any reply from me is solely to do with that inaccurate statement and I have pointed out all along that there is no link between the PIF's investment in Newcastle United and the Saudi government.

For some reason you have decided to put words in my mouth and tell me I'm saying something I haven't said.

If I can clarify it for you again. I was responding to Colston and his claim that there is a link between Newcastle United and the Saudi government

Colston said the Saudi government had bought a football club, ie Newcastle but that is not true, the Saudi PIF have bought the football club.

The premier league did their due diligence and conducted the owners and directors test and received legally binding assurances that the Saudi government will have no say in the running of Newcastle united, therefore there is no link between the Saudi government and the club.

If you want to take me saying there is no link between the investment made by the PIF in Newcastle united and the Saudi government as me meaning there is no link at all between the PIF and the Saudi government, I'll leave you to ague with yourself.

If you want to comment on a post made by another member it might pay to take into account the context of the post. In my case, in case you missed it, there is no link between the PIF and the Saudi government, in the running of Newcastle United.

[Followyourdick]

I never said there was a link between the purchase of the football club and the Saudis, what I said was there is a link between the pif and the Saudis via MBS and that I stand by because it’s fact.

I am following it mate, as usual I know that you will have the last word so this is mine on this.

[chrishornx]

The Saudi PIF website itself quotes “under the chairmanship and guidance of HRH Prince Mohammed bin Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud.....”

whilst the PIF is a legally distinct entity of course there are links. The Saudi PIF has royalty as Chairman you are correct, and he is in fact the Crown Prince and 'de facto' leader of Saudi Arabia which is, let us not forget, an absolute monarchy. In addition the PIF entity was founded by the King of Saudi with royal family money and is widely referred to as the Sovereign state fund - of course there is a link between the Royal family and the fund.  The PIF is government funded - who runs the Government- the royal family. 

let us not forget it is widely reported, and not denied, that MBS personally asked Boris Johnson to intervene and he is Crown Prince and chairman of PIF so of course there is a link

following human rights condemnation and Amnesty Internationals strong objections what the FA/PL wanted assurances about was that there would be no direct running of NU by MBS or the royal family.

There is a simple but distinct difference that needs to be understood between the funding of the acquisition, which is clearly made by the sovereign state fund of Saudi Arabia chaired by the absolute ruler of Saudi, and the assurances required that following acquisition members of the immediate Saudi royal family would not personally become directors of or personally involved in the day to day running of NU.

Confirmation was sought that there would be autonomy between PIF appointed directors of NU and the Saudi Royals. Whilst he has not been found guilty of any involvement in Khashoggi the evidence is widely acknowledged as overwhelming and compelling. MBS is not, as Colston suggests, 'proven ' guilty but the vast majority clearly feel he was heavily involved and the FA rightly wanted assurances that he would not personally be directly involved as a director of NU despite being chairman of the PIF

three entities were involved - the Kingdom of SA the PIF and NU ...What the Premier League wanted, and it was the PL that refused to ratify the deal not the FA and Ashcroft fought the PL in court,  was a legally binding assurance that the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia would not control Newcastle United Football Club. There is a link between the PIF and SA and a link between PI and NU but there must be no link between SA and NU

that condition was satisfied so the takeover was allowed

[chrishornx]

Newcastle United were bought by the Saudi Public Investment Fund and there is no link between that and the Saudi rulers. The PIF invest in many things world wide two of which, Asda and Uber, you may also be aware of.

uber - yes

Asda are you sure? i thought the Issa brothers and TDR private capital purchased Asda from Walmart. Are you sure you are not getting mixed ups with the 25 Billion riyal investment by PIR in Aseer Development Authority(abbreviation 'ASDA') although I doubt Coulston will know them

[chrishornx]

 therefore there is no link between the Saudi government and the club.

Really? who funds the PIF ?   

[daviemac]

Really? who funds the PIF ?

FFS give it a rest  Read your own post above, the were legally binding assurances the the Saudi Government would have no say in the running of Newcastle United.

Do not put words in my mouth, for the last time let me make this absolutely clear, I am only referring to the PIF's investment in Newcastle United and the fact there has to be no link between Newcastle and the Saudi government, I am not talking about the PIF in general or how it is funded.

On your other point, yes I do believe Walmart has sold Asda.