The Phoenix Club - W14

[Malvolio]

Link: External Link/Members Only

Cost: £160 for two hours

Comms: I phoned up on the day (as you have to) and booked a place at one of the parties - swiftly received a text with the address.  However, I was not told that of the three advertised WGs, only two would be present that day.  This is a massive omission in my book and the reason I've given a negative rating.

Location: It's a ground floor flat in between Barons Court and West Kensington stations.  Good job you don't have to use the internal stairs in the building as due to the nature of the event there will be a stream of punters coming and going which would cause suspicion.  Only having one shower is a bit of a pain and would be more of an issue at a full nine-person party.  The shagging takes place in two separate bedrooms, meaning you can hear what's happening in the other room but can't see it.

The WGs: Hanna and Monica.  I'd put Hanna in her late-twenties and around 5' 3" - she said she was Brazilian.  Pretty face and big natural tits, but undeniably a rather chunky woman with quite a gut.  Still, if you just focus on tits and upwards she looked pretty good to me.  Monica is Monica Bollocksy, who has done porn - google her for an idea of what she looks like.  I'd say she's around 40 and now has implanted tits - other than that her body is  as per the porn and wiry.

Services: There were two other punters there, but I got the impression they knew each other from previous parties and liked to two-team a WG - which meant I effectively got a string of solo sessions rather than any MMF action.  That's OK by me but one of my reasons for coming here was to try out some MMF - I suppose this can't be guaranteed.  I really enjoyed punting Monica as she came across as a rampant man-eater who can't get enough cock, which is my favourite type of WG.  Her oral and deep throating was excellent, and she really put the effort in during sex.  Hanna was quite tame by comparison - her oral was OK if unspectacular and she was quite passive during sex.  One of the punters left with 45 minutes to spare, so I did get an enjoyable oral session with both of them - Hanna sucking my cock and Monica sucking my balls for a while, before both of them started to lick and suck my cock - that was the highlight of the party for me.

Notes: This was my longest continuous punt, so I was careful to pace myself and not have my first pop too quickly.  I took about ten minutes of rest after the first pop and fifteen minutes after the second pop, which worked out well for me as I did eventually manage a third. 

Will I return: Yes, but I'll make damn sure that the WGs advertised are actually present before I travel.

[Bondmaniac]

I know I went once when there was a drop out, that can happen for a number of reason.. but I received an SMS letting me know in advance.  I do think that you still can't argue with £160 for 2 hours with 2 ladies and the highlight of having both to yourself has to be worth  the entrance fee alone.

[tp69]

I guess they'd reduce the number of girls if there aren't enough guys. 3 on 3 wouldn't be worth it for the girls especially with the house taking their cut. Still, you're right that they should let you know beforehand.

Do you get to see photos of the girls before the event? I've seen a few pics of past events where the girls really aren't great looking.

[Bondmaniac]

With 3 parties going on throughout the day and bookings taking place at any time up to the booking, i doubt they can anticipate there will be a shortage throughout.  But agree there skittle have been a message to give prior notice.  I Still do think that you cannot argue with VFM with 3 on 2.

[MysteryManNo.7]

I'm glad to see that Luiza has reappeared on the roster and that pictures of the girls are back up.

For some reason pictures weren't showing on the site for the past 2 weeks.

[JamesRockford]

I think negative is a bit harsh here but maybe your expectations were a little high. Read the many many posts on this site about Phoenix and you realise that the WG lineup is pretty fluid in reality, just as the number of punters is a guess until the last minute. That’s why there are so few party providers that survive.

It’s not everyone’s cup of tea and I haven’t been for a couple of years because I prefer to know who I’m seeing but sometimes taking a chance is part of the thrill.

[davidgood]

I guess they'd reduce the number of girls if there aren't enough guys. 3 on 3 wouldn't be worth it for the girls especially with the house taking their cut. Still, you're right that they should let you know beforehand.

Do you get to see photos of the girls before the event? I've seen a few pics of past events where the girls really aren't great looking.

You have hit the nail right on the head. The OP has been a victim of M's staff flexing. She has been doing it for years, going back to the days of LMP and when she was running parties in Birmingham for a short while.

On the plus side, yes she does try to keep the ratio as 2 to 1 for busy parties but if the bookings do not come in, then she has no hesitation in standing a girl down for the day or even just one party so the 2 to 1 ratio is met and profits are maximised.

As an experienced party goer, I know there are lots of reasons why girls drop out but a good organiser will try to get in replacements.

I agree guys who have made advance bookings should be told that there is a change of line-up or less girls but there will always be the hope, till the last minute,  that bookings will come in or if it is a genuine drop out a sub will be found.

I suspect it is the frequent party punters who get a text telling them of changes rather than newbies or infrequent customers.

Regards your last comment about  the quality of the girls, then post Brexit and also due to Covid to some extent, there are not as many  young EE and Brazillian girls around who want to work at parties so the short fall has to be made up with what is available.

I like Monica B and have had some good times with her at other parties. But a few years ago she would not have been seen as a Phoenix girl.

Regards,

davidgood

[SpaceRaiderDave]

I think negative is a bit harsh here but maybe your expectations were a little high.

I agree. Why not a neutral?

The 2:1 ratio is guarenteed but not the advertsied girls as there can always be last minute issues with sickness, travel, domestic etc

You don't say what the hostess said when you turned up and questioned the fact there were only 2 girls. I assume if it bothered you so much you would have asked.

[MysteryManNo.7]

I concur with others that this doesn't read like a negative in all honesty though of course its your review and Phoenix is not perfect.

Having been three times my only gripes would be that the venue isn't great and Aida is a barebacker in her indie work. In terms of VFM the place is outstanding at £160 for two hours providing you go on a day with a selection of good quality ladies (Kasia and Luiza being the stand-outs).

[tp69]

I concur with others that this doesn't read like a negative in all honesty though of course its your review and Phoenix is not perfect.

Having been three times my only gripes would be that the venue isn't great and Aida is a barebacker in her indie work. In terms of VFM the place is outstanding at £160 for two hours providing you go on a day with a selection of good quality ladies (Kasia and Luiza being the stand-outs).

I guess it's pretty risky in that case, as you aren't 100% sure which girls will be there, so difficult to know which are barebackers.

[Spurt]

Don't like the idea of barebackers, surely a red card offence.

[MysteryManNo.7]

Don't like the idea of barebackers, surely a red card offence.

I only know of one for certain who advertises bareback on her indie profile (External Link/Members Only), Aida, which I only found out recently. As for the others, I've no idea and many of them don't work indie.

On the subject of barebackers, and not trying to derail the review topic, I guarantee that if you've punted as long and as many WGs as some on here have at some point you will have shagged a girl who, for the right money, will bareback clients. I don't approve, it's disgusting, incredibly irresponsible and stupid and would put me off seeing a girl but I'd imagine for the right money, more girls than you would think would do it.

[SpaceRaiderDave]

I guarantee that if you've punted as long and as many WGs as some on here have at some point you will have shagged a girl who, for the right money, will bareback clients.

More so than clients lots of the girls will be shagging boyfriernds and pimps bareback and you can be suere those guys will not be saints

[MysteryManNo.7]

Something odd going on with Phoenix atm, just checked the site and see they're closed today and suddenly all pictures of the girls on site get taken down again.

[Malvolio]

I concur with others that this doesn't read like a negative in all honesty though of course its your review and Phoenix is not perfect.

Having been three times my only gripes would be that the venue isn't great and Aida is a barebacker in her indie work. In terms of VFM the place is outstanding at £160 for two hours providing you go on a day with a selection of good quality ladies (Kasia and Luiza being the stand-outs).

I enjoyed the punt - but it's a negative because I didn't get what was advertised and what I was expecting.  It would have taken all of 30 seconds to send me a text message stating one of the girls wouldn't be there.  If you went to a restaurant, paid for a three course meal and only got two courses you wouldn't be happy.

[Bloodymary]

I’ve been to Phoneix a couple of times when it’s been reduced to 2 girls but the number of guys has been reduced as well.   Never really let it spoil my enjoyment and always tend to have a great time there.   Looking forward to returning now I’ll be back in London soon

On the current rota, Monica and Kasia are my favourites although Jess/Carmen are both fun English girls.  Still miss Toni (Karlie Simon) who was top class but has apparently retired to France

[Beanhead]

Sorry to hear this Op.

Pre-pandemic this was £160 for 4 women, this review is £160 for 2 women; that's half the value.

[davidgood]

Sorry to hear this Op.

Pre-pandemic this was £160 for 4 women, this review is £160 for 2 women; that's half the value.

It would be interesting to hear what happens if only 2 guys make bookings for a party. Is it then one woman for £160? That would be quarter the value.

For me, and I suspect other regular party goers, the attraction of party is the ability to play with several different girls not just one or a couple.

Regards,

davidgood

[SpaceRaiderDave]

It would be interesting to hear what happens if only 2 guys make bookings for a party. Is it then one woman for £160? That would be quarter the value.

For me, and I suspect other regular party goers, the attraction of party is the ability to play with several different girls not just one or a couple.

Regards,

davidgood

That question has been answered in a previous thread when a punter mentioned he was the only guy present and there were three girls working.

I have been going to Phoenix parties for the past six years and have found Ems very honorable in the way she organises things.

She guarentees that ratios will not exceed 2:1 and does this without taking a deposit from punters or charging them for no shows. There is no other party operator in London that does that combination or comes anywhere close to it so think she should receive praise.

[lostandfound]

2 girls, £160 entry fee ... how times have changed.

Attended my first LMP party around 10 years ago. £140 entry fee, 9 girls, 18 guys, at the rather nice Lancaster Gate flat.

Also controversial it seems, I recall some excellent Rom girls @ LMP such as Daniella & Angel; and Nicole -  who I see is still on the roster.

[MysteryManNo.7]

I enjoyed the punt - but it's a negative because I didn't get what was advertised and what I was expecting.  It would have taken all of 30 seconds to send me a text message stating one of the girls wouldn't be there.  If you went to a restaurant, paid for a three course meal and only got two courses you wouldn't be happy.

Terrible comparison. You could have walked when you arrived and saw there were only 2 girls present before handing over the cash but you didn't. I don't disagree, M should have texted beforehand to say only 2 girls would be there and it's a failing on her part that she did not and yes, 3 girls were advertised and only 2 worked but again, you could have walked.

£160 for 2 hours with 2 girls is still fantastic value especially nowadays with a lot of WGs appearing to charge £150 PH minimum alone. Yes, I know as others have said Phoenix used to have more girls for the same price but that was then, this is now and you can wish for the better old days or accept they're sadly over.

As I've heard it be said: 'wish into one hand, shit into the other and see which one fills up first'.

[Mightier Than]

Attended my first LMP party around 10 years ago. £140 entry fee, 9 girls, 18 guys

10 years later, and the cost has only increased by £20 for the same ratio.  Looking at it this way, with WGs increasing their costs, VFM is similar or better.  I would prefer 9 WGs, and before Covid there were 5.  If most parties become full, the increased demand will help increase the number of girls, but that also means committing to a larger place. 

I've been where it's just me and 2 WGs, and though I love the party vibe, this was better VFM than 6 guys and 3 girls.  Frequently been where it's 2:2 or 3:2 which are also better VFM, even though less variety

[lostandfound]

10 years later, and the cost has only increased by £20 for the same ratio.  Looking at it this way, with WGs increasing their costs, VFM is similar or better.  I would prefer 9 WGs, and before Covid there were 5.  If most parties become full, the increased demand will help increase the number of girls, but that also means committing to a larger place. 

I've been where it's just me and 2 WGs, and though I love the party vibe, this was better VFM than 6 guys and 3 girls.  Frequently been where it's 2:2 or 3:2 which are also better VFM, even though less variety

No comparison IMO. 9 girls to choose from versus 2? Variety being the spice of life and all that.

Though usual roster was 7 girls at a party - that's still a massive difference. I would set out to do every girl - both holes - in the two hours. Fantastic. Back then I was a regular and sometimes there would be me and one other guy and 7 girls. 

[tp69]

sometimes there would be me and one other guy and 7 girls.

I'm sure the girls were loving the £22 per hour, minus the house fee and costs 

I like your strategy however, very good value.

[SpaceRaiderDave]

No comparison IMO. 9 girls to choose from versus 2? Variety being the spice of life and all that.
Though usual roster was 7 girls at a party - that's still a massive difference. I would set out to do every girl - both holes - in the two hours. Fantastic. Back then I was a regular and sometimes there would be me and one other guy and 7 girls.

I would love there to be a regular party in London that had 6 or 7 girls and low ratio but there isn't and if guys don't attend what we've already got there will be no central London parties left with a guarenteed low ratio. Phoenix isn't perfect but I've had significantly more great days there than disappointing ones.

[Bondmaniac]

Exactly that.. if the demand is there I'm sure the numbers will increase too. Either way this works. 

[lostandfound]

I'm sure the girls were loving the £22 per hour, minus the house fee and costs 

I like your strategy however, very good value.

With three parties a day it was as likely to be 14 guys as 2. As a regular I experienced both busy and quiet parties. It was not a "strategy" as you put it, I had no advance knowledge if a party was going to be busy or quiet, M herself said she could never predict it.

As for the girls - I assume the financial "risk" was carried by M. Their loyalty to LMP show it was a good deal for them. Many of the girls worked there for years on end, such as Nicole who I already mentioned, but also I see Kasia and Luiza and Monique still on the roster from back then, and girls who were there for years included Ivana, Emily, Jayda and on and on ...

[MysteryManNo.7]

At my first visit to Phoenix back in August last year I remember overhearing an attendee asking M whether she was planning to increase the number of girls. She said that she wanted to and move to a bigger venue however due to the threat of lockdowns she wasn't willing or able to take on the increased financial risk of employing more girls in case of another lockdown.

Hopefully with COVID basically over in England and pointless restrictions having been lifted provided the parties are popular we may see the number of girls increase and hopefully a bigger and better venue.

[Malvolio]

Terrible comparison. You could have walked when you arrived and saw there were only 2 girls present before handing over the cash but you didn't. I don't disagree, M should have texted beforehand to say only 2 girls would be there and it's a failing on her part that she did not and yes, 3 girls were advertised and only 2 worked but again, you could have walked.

£160 for 2 hours with 2 girls is still fantastic value especially nowadays with a lot of WGs appearing to charge £150 PH minimum alone. Yes, I know as others have said Phoenix used to have more girls for the same price but that was then, this is now and you can wish for the better old days or accept they're sadly over.

As I've heard it be said: 'wish into one hand, shit into the other and see which one fills up first'.

Let's try this as a comparison.  If you turn up to a punt and find out you've been bait and switched, that's a negative in my book and in the books of most punters.

I didn't even get a switch...

[MysteryManNo.7]

Let's try this as a comparison.  If you turn up to a punt and find out you've been bait and switched, that's a negative in my book and in the books of most punters.

I didn't even get a switch...

If you turn up to a punt and find out you've been bait and switched you walk.

[Skyjuice1000]

This seems to be a common occurrence at the parties I turned up the other day to be told Kasia hadn’t come in that day but they still wanted 160 for 2 hours with 2 girls which was fun but not as advertised so felt cheeted they should have said in advance

[OutForJustice80]

If you turn up to a punt and find out you've been bait and switched you walk.

And then leave a negative.

The negative here is fair enough in my book. He’s clear in his review that the girls were good and would return but I totally understand that being told when you arrive one girl won’t be there is too late, poor communication and review as you see fit. Would I have done the same? Can’t say for sure but it’s irrelevant as we all review according to our own experience.

[SpaceRaiderDave]

I still don't undestand why a neutral isn't considered an appropriate rating for this experience but as has been stated the op can give whatever rating he wants


 

[Malvolio]

Ratings aren't the be-all and end-all of reviews.  I always try to give sufficient detail in my reviews so punters reading them can gauge where the punt sat within the negative / neutral / positive categories.

[Malvolio]

If you turn up to a punt and find out you've been bait and switched you walk.

Thank you for the handy punting advice.

[emkay]

You could look at the ratio a different way. Say there were eight girls and twelve guys. The odds of having a girl to yourself would be next to zero. Two girls and three guys, after the initial rush there will nearly always be one guy recuperating. If what you want is £160 for two hours of as much fucking as you can cope with, what matters is the number of available girls, not the number in the room. I've been to "parties", with three girls where I was the only guy to start with and have been quite glad when another turned up.

[MysteryManNo.7]

Thank you for the handy punting advice.

Be sarcastic all you like but it's advice you, and it seems many others, fail to heed. If you don't walk in such a situation you've only yourself to blame.

[MysteryManNo.7]

You could look at the ratio a different way. Say there were eight girls and twelve guys. The odds of having a girl to yourself would be next to zero. Two girls and three guys, after the initial rush there will nearly always be one guy recuperating. If what you want is £160 for two hours of as much fucking as you can cope with, what matters is the number of available girls, not the number in the room. I've been to "parties", with three girls where I was the only guy to start with and have been quite glad when another turned up.

Of the three times I've 'partied' at TPC it was always 3 girls and 6 guys and the only point my cock was not inside one of the girls mouth/pussy was when I was showering, using the loo or deliberately taking a break.

A ratio of 8 girls and 12 guys sounds great to me!

[jeezyuk]

Hi, not hijacking the thread not advertising nor soliciting …

But I have some intel and if anyone wants a taste of what it was like at LMP and is free at the end of feb to travel 1 hour … dm. I have a steal of a deal I found.. but not advertising .. just looking for a travel buddy and to share the fun around

TPC been forking us around too long

[dapz7614]

Free! Can’t DM but have attended in the past

[Malvolio]

You could look at the ratio a different way. Say there were eight girls and twelve guys. The odds of having a girl to yourself would be next to zero. Two girls and three guys, after the initial rush there will nearly always be one guy recuperating. If what you want is £160 for two hours of as much fucking as you can cope with, what matters is the number of available girls, not the number in the room. I've been to "parties", with three girls where I was the only guy to start with and have been quite glad when another turned up.

If you want as much fucking as you can cope with, then just book one girl (or more) for two hours.

What I wanted was variety in fucking three different girls.  Turning up to a party with three girls and no other punters doesn't strike me as something to complain about.

[Joe112]

Is it true they take pictures of your I'd? Wonder why

[MysteryManNo.7]

Is it true they take pictures of your I'd? Wonder why

Lol no. I've been 4 times, never carry ID when attending and have never been asked. Would not go if they did that, you'd be an idiot to agree to it.