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Offline King Nuts

I suppose I've had my fair share, between marriages and longterm relationships. Some ended by mutual consent because we both just got bored or annoyed with each other. Other times there was a bust-up, either because I'd messed up in some way, or because her carefully crafted veneer of normalcy ended up getting stripped away and the howling lunatic that fretted and festered beneath was revealed.

But the one thing they nearly all had in common, is that the woman changed. I know it's easy for me to sit here and say this, but I'm a fairly constant person. Not given to mood swings or character U-turns. And I'll invest the time in making the relationship work. My first marriage lasted for 20 years.

What happens is that it all starts off great. There are laughs, and an emotional connection. Great sex, and all the rest of it. And then, the sex tails off a bit. Not totally, but to a noticeable extent. She won't let you come in her mouth anymore, and the stockings and suspenders only come out at Christmas, or if you ask nicely.

I once overheard my second wife ask a mutual friend (who also knew my first wife) why it was that my first wife and I had split up. The friend said that it was because she (the first wife) had stopped finding me funny. That gave me something to think about. Fast forward a few years, and the second wife no doubt thought the same, as we broke up some time back now.

So is that it? Keep up a constant stream of quips, humourous stories and so on? My current GF (it's been going for around three years now) seems to have reached the same stage. A lot of the fun has gone. She doesn't want to do this, doesn't want to do that. She gets very naggy too. Moaning about anything from the colour of my socks to what I suggest we watch on TV, and so on.

I really thought this one would be different. It all started off so well. And I think I'm quite well-trained, as a partner. I show up on time, I remember stuff like birthdays and anniversaries. I'm solvent, loyal and considerate. Mostly. And I can get it up still, though sometimes need some pharmaceutical help.

So is there something built in to women? Something that when they reach a certain age, or a certain stage in a relationship that they turn? I think I'm the same fun-loving guy I always was, and have definitely calmed down a bit, in terms of being more house-trained than I was. I talk to chums of mine, and they all say the same thing about their relationships. They haven't changed much either.

Or maybe I've just been picking the wrong kind of woman all along.











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People change over time. The advantage if you are already in later life is that there’s possibly greater stability in the “who you are” thing: but the disadvantage is that many of the women in your age bracket will be post-menopausal and if not suffering from decreased hormones may still have inflated opinions of themselves compared to their actual appearances.

It’s nice to have good things and laughter to share. It’s even better to have an absence of (or minimum amount of) negatives. If a woman doesn’t piss you off, and vice versa, or you can talk through such negs to handle them and come out the other side more positive, then that’s a higher indicator probably I think than the likes.

Most people are able to piss anyone off if they’re there 24/7; a comedian once said the best partner is someone you can put up with. I think there’s truth in that.

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I saw friends go through really crappy times in their marriage,  you would witness first hand how difficult their marriages had become.  Guys working 5 days a week, long hours while the wife would be a stay at home housewife,  then when it came to the guy wanting to go away for the weekend with the lads it was denied.  Even trying to get night out would require careful negotiation skills.  You would what think what the hell.  Marriage had no fun, connection, point.   You’d think how did they end up like this?

How do women go from nice and rationale to end up not working and creating all the rules and having all the power  :scare: bloody clever but bloody scary.
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I saw friends go through really crappy times in their marriage,  you would witness first hand how difficult their marriages had become.  Guys working 5 days a week, long hours while the wife would be a stay at home housewife,  then when it came to the guy wanting to go away for the weekend with the lads it was denied.  Even trying to get night out would require careful negotiation skills.  You would what think what the hell.  Marriage had no fun, connection, point.   You’d think how did they end up like this?

How do women go from nice and rationale to end up not working and creating all the rules and having all the power  :scare: bloody clever but bloody scary.

Couldn't agree more .. I've just had to re-negotiate a weekend away with the lads that was originally planned in 2020 (Covid stopped it) .. fuck me you'd think I was asking to shag her mate for a weekend ... I't like asking asking your mother when you were kids if we can stay out an extra hour ffs.

Permission granted, but it's going to cost me ... :rolleyes:

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Marriage is a social construct purely for the benefit of children.
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Marriage is a social construct purely for the benefit of children.

In an ideal world, for benefit of kids, perhaps, yes.
It's also an economic construct.
Politically it's also a control mechanism (married couples are less anarchists).

But that's all a bit dismissive of the idea of medium and long term relationships that create desirable benefits -- it's like saying attraction is just a matter of certain chemicals that alter heart rate blahblahblah but quoting the chemistry doesn't get anyone laid. ...and the question was, how to improve or maintain relationships? One wants to have that initial feeling -- or 'honeymoon' sensation as it used to be called -- for as long as, or as often as, possible.

(So we come to the personal construct within the relationship.)

The thing is, friends can funny, witty, generous, fun-loving and amenable, you just don't necessarily want to live with them.

A person in a relationship expects something else, the man and the woman. I don't mean unreasonable expectation: merely the expectation on which the sexual/loving relationship is built.

She wants to be told she's sexy.
She wants to be told she's attractive.
That she looks nice in that dress or outfit.
She wants to hear "I love you".
She wants to hear it like it's sincere.

She also wants to see you as the man she wants, takes care of himself, dresses, talks, and shows affection in a manly way. And tells her these things in a deep, masculine-sounding voice, preferably with gentle but confident, non-demanding body language.

That's not stuff you do for friends or the office, even if there seems to be some overlap in acceptable grooming and being well turned out.

This will often require a conscious effort. And that's ok.


There's an amusing crossover... a couple of rhetoricians call it rhetoric, Ross Jeffries calls it NLP. But whatever you call or don't call it, it means making someone feel good about themselves in your company, what they want, often to get what you want, and it doesn't matter if they spot you doing it because it's also genuine. They may even start doing it in return!

The best of books by rhetoricians I enjoyed on this are Sam Leith's 'You Talkin' to Me?' or the slightly more technical 'Thank you for Arguing' by Jay Heinrichs. A while back since I read them but I think it was Sam Leith's that was the funniest (though it might have been Heinrichs). Gave many examples of routines he used with his wife and also with his kids, and how they gradually pick up on it and start using it back at him. When that happens, both parties win of course.

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There’s an old saying
Men expect women to stay the same and they don’t
Women expect men to change and they don’t


I have to say, I am truly blessed as my other half is fantastic, I am very lucky, it really is possible to find a unicorn.

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There’s an old saying
Men expect women to stay the same and they don’t
Women expect men to change and they don’t


I have to say, I am truly blessed as my other half is fantastic, I am very lucky, it really is possible to find a unicorn.
Yes you are very lucky.
Do you ever feel disloyal?
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Yes you are very lucky.
Do you ever feel disloyal?

Nah, she is aware of about 90% of my punts. The other 10% is when I want to add an element of risk for a thrill. In the past, (not for the last few years), she has joined me on the punts.
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Offline rickyponting

I think women are great up to age 30ish,but they change when they have kids,it's pointless expecting them to stay as they were when they were younger,it just doesn't happen.

Offline mradventures

i think annimositities can build up, and simply due to time passing, the list will get bigger.

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Well still punting not as much, age catches up with ye but would like a woman again but sometimes wonder if that would work?, they  good women, are harder to find then Unicorns!, why theer're two a penny thems;!!!..

Still a 20 year innings thats quite remarkable!. Intresting stastics and a lot more on that sort of relationships thing here:)

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FWIW the females i have around me, usually younger, all moan about one thing and thats;

There aren't any good men anywhere!!!!
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FWIW the females i have around me, usually younger, all moan about one thing and thats;
There aren't any good men anywhere!!!!

Are these the ones that kill them off with their bitching?

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If you want companionship get a Dog  :hi:

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Throw your social life away if you involved in a relationship.  A relationship I was in a few years ago was painful, very painful.  I lost a lot of my friends and any sense of time as all of it was focused on her. Abusive to the point of physically punching me and verbal shouting matches.  She couldn’t drive but would go bonkers if I was stuck in traffic after work to pick her up.   It was one of the biggest wastes of my time, energy and money. Sex wasn’t all that good either.

Sometimes being scared of being alone makes us end up with the wrong person.  I’m in no desperate rush to settle down again even if I would enjoy being in a healthy relationship.

I’ve seen marriages ruin men financially to the point of no return on top of their kids being dragged half way across the country just because the woman wanted to relocate.   

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If you want companionship get a Dog  :hi:

I know i might disagree with the hon member from 'opp North over power generation but on this matter a 110% agremment!

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I suppose I've had my fair share, between marriages and longterm relationships. Some ended by mutual consent because we both just got bored or annoyed with each other. Other times there was a bust-up, either because I'd messed up in some way, or because her carefully crafted veneer of normalcy ended up getting stripped away and the howling lunatic that fretted and festered beneath was revealed.

But the one thing they nearly all had in common, is that the woman changed. I know it's easy for me to sit here and say this, but I'm a fairly constant person. Not given to mood swings or character U-turns. And I'll invest the time in making the relationship work. My first marriage lasted for 20 years.

What happens is that it all starts off great. There are laughs, and an emotional connection. Great sex, and all the rest of it. And then, the sex tails off a bit. Not totally, but to a noticeable extent. She won't let you come in her mouth anymore, and the stockings and suspenders only come out at Christmas, or if you ask nicely.

I once overheard my second wife ask a mutual friend (who also knew my first wife) why it was that my first wife and I had split up. The friend said that it was because she (the first wife) had stopped finding me funny. That gave me something to think about. Fast forward a few years, and the second wife no doubt thought the same, as we broke up some time back now.

So is that it? Keep up a constant stream of quips, humourous stories and so on? My current GF (it's been going for around three years now) seems to have reached the same stage. A lot of the fun has gone. She doesn't want to do this, doesn't want to do that. She gets very naggy too. Moaning about anything from the colour of my socks to what I suggest we watch on TV, and so on.

I really thought this one would be different. It all started off so well. And I think I'm quite well-trained, as a partner. I show up on time, I remember stuff like birthdays and anniversaries. I'm solvent, loyal and considerate. Mostly. And I can get it up still, though sometimes need some pharmaceutical help.

So is there something built in to women? Something that when they reach a certain age, or a certain stage in a relationship that they turn? I think I'm the same fun-loving guy I always was, and have definitely calmed down a bit, in terms of being more house-trained than I was. I talk to chums of mine, and they all say the same thing about their relationships. They haven't changed much either.

Or maybe I've just been picking the wrong kind of woman all along.

I have had widely varied relationships with women of varied colours and nationalities, 3 I married, three I lived with for over two years, one I didn't because she was boring but I have a wonderful daughter with her. I ended up friends with them all except a Polish one who is just very combative. I think - though I may be fooling myself as we do - the friendship remained because I like women and find them far more interesting than men.

Offline King Nuts

People change over time. The advantage if you are already in later life is that there’s possibly greater stability in the “who you are” thing: but the disadvantage is that many of the women in your age bracket will be post-menopausal and if not suffering from decreased hormones may still have inflated opinions of themselves compared to their actual appearances.

It’s nice to have good things and laughter to share. It’s even better to have an absence of (or minimum amount of) negatives. If a woman doesn’t piss you off, and vice versa, or you can talk through such negs to handle them and come out the other side more positive, then that’s a higher indicator probably I think than the likes.

Most people are able to piss anyone off if they’re there 24/7; a comedian once said the best partner is someone you can put up with. I think there’s truth in that.

I think that's a good point about the post-menopausal thing. Yes, of course people change. But I think as I've got older, I've calmed down a fair bit. Not sure some of the women I have been with have though.

My present dilemma is this: I'm with someone (post menopausal) who's good and kind, and who I'm also attracted to. She ain't no Brain of Britain, but she's smart enough. The sex is pretty good, in that she seems to get a lot out of it and she does and is all the things that I'm into. But she does get a bit obsessive about things that I don't regard as important, and as well as that, has increasingly frequently what could be called princess-y moments. Can I deal with that? Course I can. I just liked it better when she wasn't like that. Were those things always there but artfully concealed? Or has she been through some sort of slo-mo change over the last couple of years? Who knows.





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If she's not as bright as you, how exactly is she going to change?
Maybe just treat those tantrums as you might a child. You know, mollycoddle, say things like yes dear and then ignore whatever it was.
You can be kind to each other, enjoy the sex, talk about your feelings and "what's important" (i.e. how you care about each other), explain what you feel when something happens, put it into the big picture of caring about each other, that sort of stuff?
Good luck anyway.
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Well still punting not as much, age catches up with ye but would like a woman again but sometimes wonder if that would work?, they  good women, are harder to find then Unicorns!, why theer're two a penny thems;!!!..

Still a 20 year innings thats quite remarkable!. Intresting stastics and a lot more on that sort of relationships thing here:)

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FWIW the females i have around me, usually younger, all moan about one thing and thats;

There aren't any good men anywhere!!!!

Interesting link, especially in regard to the same-sex vs opposite-sex marriages and civil partnerships.

Off-topic a bit, but also v interesting that the death rate for the UK in 2020 shot up a bit from the previous few years, but was more or less the same as it was 2001-2003.



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If you want companionship get a Dog  :hi:

Agree entirely. Dogs don't talk :lol:

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Agree re dogs.
Lock your dog and your wife in a car boot. when you return and open it see which one gives you verbal and which one wags it's tail and is glad to see you.

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My present dilemma is this: I'm with someone (post menopausal) who's good and kind, and who I'm also attracted to. She ain't no Brain of Britain, but she's smart enough. The sex is pretty good, in that she seems to get a lot out of it and she does and is all the things that I'm into. But she does get a bit obsessive about things that I don't regard as important, and as well as that, has increasingly frequently what could be called princess-y moments. Can I deal with that? Course I can. I just liked it better when she wasn't like that. Were those things always there but artfully concealed? Or has she been through some sort of slo-mo change over the last couple of years? Who knows.

Overall she sounds like a keeper? Just accept some compromise as she will undoubtedly have to do with you .. after all you are no 'spring chicken' and companionship becomes increasingly important in old age.


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Agree re dogs.
Lock your dog and your wife in a car boot. when you return and open it see which one gives you verbal and which one wags it's tail and is glad to see you.

 :lol:

Offline King Nuts

Overall she sounds like a keeper? Just accept some compromise as she will undoubtedly have to do with you .. after all you are no 'spring chicken' and companionship becomes increasingly important in old age.

LOL. Yes, I am old enough to get a Senior Railcard but too young for a pension. And you're right that companionship has immense value.

Offline mradventures

yeah, ive watched women i know have terrible relationships with garbage men repeatidly.
it can be, that that person thinks thats what love is, or think they deserve it.

ive had one tell me "good guys are boring" - from her hospital bed, which she was in partly because of her last bad boy.

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As long as you remember that women have a million years of inbred stupidity you’ll not go far wrong

Offline King Nuts

If she's not as bright as you, how exactly is she going to change?
Maybe just treat those tantrums as you might a child.

I wouldn't say she has tantrums, but she'll pick up on some throwaway remark and then go into 'analyse to death' (ATD) mode.

Luckily, I've had GFs like that in the past, so I've learned a lot about how to deal with ATD syndrome. One learns to re-phrase potentially contentious comments. I mean, isn't editing oneself all part of the deal in a successful, functioning adult relationship?

Talking of tantrums, there was a GF some years back who was an expert. She'd keep the lid on it when in company, though I learned to spot the advance signs, and when back at her place or mine, the ranting would start. It was always triggered by some imagined slight, and although she was very fit and the sex nothing short of phenomenal, on the cost/benefit scale, the relationship just became untenable in the end.