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Offline smiths

There have been lots of posts about pimps and what cut they get from a WGs earnings. I dont know for definite is my answer, and i imagine neither do many other punters. Being told something or thinking it doesnt make it true of course. I see it as the WGs business and not mine.

For me being a pragmatist i have no problem punting through a pimp if the price is right, i appreciate some punters do though. The reality is pimps are a big presence in punting and always have been. The additional thing is on A/W some if not many WGs advertising as Indies arent, they have pimps so are lying about being Indies. For the pimp this makes sense as they presumably believe there is less chance of the police nicking them.

Where pimping becomes a problem to me is primarily when the pimp is forcing a woman to be a WG, obviously this is wrong and i want to see such evil scumbags put in prison, a mandatory life sentence being the sentence i think appropriate. However, unlike some i put this into perspective, Operations Pentameter 1 and 2 found little proof by way of convictions that trafficking was a big problem and since them the proof by way of convictions hasnt shown coercion/force is a big problem. If it is why havent we read about it is my thinking. Some on here speculate about EE WGs being forced, and sadly i imagine some are, as well as some Brit WGs but if we are speculating i have no doubt the police are as well and its not exactly difficult for them to book a WG they think from her profile might have a pimp and pay her a visit. As wholesale arrests arent the norm i require proof its a widespread problem. I do read of some cases of force being used but more often than not a pimp gets done for running and brothel and/or controlling prostitutes for gain, no mention of force. My view is most WGs choose to have a pimp and agree to pay that pimp an agreed cut.

It also becomes a problem to me when the cost of the punt is too much, this happens in London with Agencies where the entry price is often £150 an hour, the pimp is just ensuring punters pay more as i see it.

A pimp doesnt necessarily mean a WG is being forced though, some WGs prefer to have a pimp for various reasons such as all they then have to do is turn up and dont have to advertise or pay the rent on the premises themselves. I have punted with many Indies who previously worked at Parlours or Agencies and although most were happy to now by Indies they had no problem with agreeing to pay the pimp an agreed cut of their earnings in exchange for getting them their punters and providing the premises, a WGs biggest expense obviously which they couldnt intially afford themselves.

As ever interested in others views on this?

« Last Edit: July 03, 2014, 04:35:38 PM by smiths »

Offline Daffodil

Yes, pimp doesn't equal forced. Some girls probably couldn't even tie their shoelaces without a "pimp".

As long as the prossie is acting under her own free will then I have no problem with a pimp in the background, pulling the strings.

Offline CBPaul

It's easy to form a stereotypical view of a pimp as being a controlling thug or trafficker (or both). But I think they come in a variety of forms.

I doubt many of the prossies I've seen are truly independent and I don't believe  profiles with a statement to this end. Certainly the EE girls I've seen must have someone in the background organising everything, they are barely capable of dealing with a simple text half the time so would stand no chance of getting around the country, lining up hotel rooms or working apartments, setting up an AW profile and so on. I don't have a problem with it being like this and I don't think for one minute any of them fall in the trafficked bracket that the media so gleefully portrays - hope not anyway. How they divide up the money after I've gone is their business, although I wouldn't like to think that the pimp is taking 90% of it, it really isn't a great concern of mine. I pay an amount I'm happy with for an hour, typically £100 - £120 for an EE girl, those higher than £120 are almost always ignored by me, whether they think that they are worth the extra or a pimp is getting greedy I don't know.

The ones I do have a problem with should not be referred to a pimps, rather scrounging ponces. No doubt they exist in the AW sphere of things but they were a common sight in my days of street punting - 'boyfreinds' who apparently ensured the safety of the prossie as she walked the streets. In fact they were strung out junkies wanting to ensure they got their cut when she returned so that they could run off to the nearest phone box and call the dealer. Low life scum in other words. I'd also class the traffickers and groomers in this bracket too.

   

Offline broksonic

Something I have  always thought,  and know it may sound  daft.  Is a married  escort's  husband her pimp?
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Offline a10

Something I have  always thought,  and know it may sound  daft.  Is a married  escort's  husband her pimp?

I wouldn't necessarily say so, but it depends what the husband does in regards to the WGs work. A pimp is someone who "runs" the girls and takes a cut of the money (the percentage varies greatly depending on the type of relationship). A husband could be a WGs pimp, but equally could just be a WGs husband, who takes no cut of the earnings and does nothing in relation to the "job". A pimp isn't always a violent controller of a cowed WG to be sure.

I've even been effectively offered the role of pimp by a couple of regulars over the years. A simple enquiry to start with along the lines of "well you could rewrite my profile for me" and "I'm not sure how to organise a tour / webcam session, would you do that?" When I blanched in both cases a cut of earnings was offered as an incentive. The way I see it, that would make me a pimp.

Offline Sienna_Bronze

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My ex husband would drive me to outcalls, wait for me then bring me home, if he needed extra money I would give it to him, he also checked my emails and decided what jobs and how many I should take.

He would probably fall into the category of a pimp but obviously not the stereotypical pimp that many people would think of any the type that gets.portrayed by the media.
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My ex husband would drive me to outcalls, wait for me then bring me home, if he needed extra money I would give it to him, he also checked my emails and decided what jobs and how many I should take.

He would probably fall into the category of a pimp but obviously not the stereotypical pimp that many people would think of any the type that gets.portrayed by the media.

Well that would make him a right old KEVIN if you ask me.

I thought pimps were bad ? Are there good pimps and bad pimps, like good AIDS and bad AIDS ?

I personaly find the idea of them distastefull and wouldnt book if I was aware it was going on. Maybe I'm nieve.

Also it dosent really stand up if she's being consentualy pimped as part of my job is telling people what to do and to have them do things they dont want to do, the real skill is to make them think that it was their idea in the first place. :)

Offline maxxblue

I thought pimps were bad ? Are there good pimps and bad pimps, like good AIDS and bad AIDS ?

I personaly find the idea of them distastefull and wouldnt book if I was aware it was going on. Maybe I'm nieve.

Also it dosent really stand up if she's being consentualy pimped as part of my job is telling people what to do and to have them do things they dont want to do, the real skill is to make them think that it was their idea in the first place. :)

Help me out with this one, JP!

I thought pimps were bad ? Are there good pimps and bad pimps, like good AIDS and bad AIDS ?

I personaly find the idea of them distastefull and wouldnt book if I was aware it was going on. Maybe I'm nieve.

Also it dosent really stand up if she's being consentualy pimped as part of my job is telling people what to do and to have them do things they dont want to do, the real skill is to make them think that it was their idea in the first place. :)

Jim there are many kind of pimps.

Just like there are many different kinds of punters and pro$$ie

In all three your going to find some that are good and some that bad

Look at this way. Take Kevin for example. He writes the girls profiles (As well someone of them didnt finish school and get G.C.S.E's) he takes the photos. He answers the endless emails from every Tom Dick and Abdul who send pointless emails. He sorts out the incall place or he drives them to Outcalls.

He of course skims money off the profiles with the private gallery and movies and the pro$$ie of course does not see a penny and he gets his cut off the top of the booking.

But in this world sometimes he is a necessary evil.

Help me out with this one, JP!

Have you ever heard of a Satirical Spoof news comedy called brasseye ? Or Chris Morris ?

I'd link to a youtube clip but im on my phone and im a bit thick.

Will link it later. :)

Offline maxxblue

Thanks JP - I've come across Chris Morris before, but no, have not seen the episode about good and bad AIDS.

Found the link though....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFNs2mOkKzc

 :hi:

Jim there are many kind of pimps.

Just like there are many different kinds of punters and pro$$ie

In all three your going to find some that are good and some that bad

Look at this way. Take Kevin for example. He writes the girls profiles (As well someone of them didnt finish school and get G.C.S.E's) he takes the photos. He answers the endless emails from every Tom Dick and Abdul who send pointless emails. He sorts out the incall place or he drives them to Outcalls.

He of course skims money off the profiles with the private gallery and movies and the pro$$ie of course does not see a penny and he gets his cut off the top of the booking.

But in this world sometimes he is a necessary evil.

Like i said CB possibly im a bit Nieve.

To be honest Jim in a perfect world there would be no pimps

AW would be full of indies who got the full fee rather than handing off a cut to some shady fuckwit in the shadows.

But unfortunately this is the world we operate in.

Thanks JP - I've come across Chris Morris before, but no, have not seen the episode about good and bad AIDS.

Found the link though....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFNs2mOkKzc

 :hi:

And the best brass eye was on the peado's !!

Though the drugs one and cake was fucking funny https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwylBRucU7w

even has rolf in it fucking nonce cunt !!
« Last Edit: July 05, 2014, 01:02:03 AM by cockneybstrd »

Offline smiths

I thought pimps were bad ? Are there good pimps and bad pimps, like good AIDS and bad AIDS ?

I personaly find the idea of them distastefull and wouldnt book if I was aware it was going on. Maybe I'm nieve.

Also it dosent really stand up if she's being consentualy pimped as part of my job is telling people what to do and to have them do things they dont want to do, the real skill is to make them think that it was their idea in the first place. :)

Its for you to decide if you think pimps are good, bad or terrible. My point in the thread was they arent all the same yet some on here try to say they are. A pimp doesnt necessarily force a woman to be a WG. If as a punter you hold the view like some do that ANY pimp is bad then thats fine as thats your view. Just be aware literally ANY WG could be being pimped for all you or i would know.

By your post you have limited yourself to only punting with WGs who advertise as Indies, i am far more pragmatic than you. I for example have punted a lot at parties and Parlours, and years ago through Agencies though i wont be doing that again. I dont have to like a pimp or the concept of a pimp to punt through them if i think i will get good service, its not them i will be punting with after all.

Some punters on principle wont knowingly punt through a pimp though.

Its for you to decide if you think pimps are good, bad or terrible. My point in the thread was they arent all the same yet some on here try to say they are. A pimp doesnt necessarily force a woman to be a WG. If as a punter you hold the view like some do that ANY pimp is bad then thats fine as thats your view. Just be aware literally ANY WG could be being pimped for all you or i would know.

By your post you have limited yourself to only punting with WGs who advertise as Indies, i am far more pragmatic than you. I for example have punted a lot at parties and Parlours, and years ago through Agencies though i wont be doing that again. I dont have to like a pimp or the concept of a pimp to punt through them if i think i will get good service, its not them i will be punting with after all.

Some punters on principle wont knowingly punt through a pimp though.

At the end of the day I like to eat meat but dont want to visit an abotoir. Probably a lame analogy.

I dont have your punting credentials or experience, but the idea of somebody being pimped brings to mind stereotypical cliche's to a novice like me.

I dont believe in absolutes though as I'm not a Sith Lord.

Offline smiths

At the end of the day I like to eat meat but dont want to visit an abotoir. Probably a lame analogy.

I dont have your punting credentials or experience, but the idea of somebody being pimped brings to mind stereotypical cliche's to a novice like me.

I dont believe in absolutes though as I'm not a Sith Lord.

Some WGs want to be pimped though, they dont want to do the leg work of getting punters and might not have a suitable premises to work out of, so they work at a Parlour, Party or Agency that get them their punters and provide the premises (though some Agencies dont provide the premises so as to avoid potentially getting done for running a brothel as well as controlling prostitutes for gain) so all they have to do is turn up. Some Indies previously worked at one of the above when that set-up suited them and they agreed to give the pimp a set cut of their fees.

Its a VERY widespread practice rightly or wrongly and has been for very many years. The police even let some Parlours and Parties, all brothels and thus illegal operate for years, though they could get raided at any time with the owners and any other staff that actively help run it getting nicked. The WGs or punters arent breaking the law though unless it was proved a WG was underage or being coerced/forced.

Cheers Smiths. It's a very interesting thread and something that should definatley be taken into account.

Offline Lilywhite

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Some pimps can also be former SPs (female) who left the industry but run 2 or 3 other girls businesses from the same flat.

My ex husband would drive me to outcalls, wait for me then bring me home, if he needed extra money I would give it to him, he also checked my emails and decided what jobs and how many I should take.

He would probably fall into the category of a pimp but obviously not the stereotypical pimp that many people would think of any the type that gets.portrayed by the media.

One of my former Regulars was introduced to the industry in a similar way.  They were apparently strapped for cash and he not only suggested that she work in a Parlour but actually drove her there for her first day's "work".

Fortunately, she quickly discovered she liked the work and decided to become "independent" in at least two ways.  That'll teach him to "pimp the wife"!

Offline punk

Amazing that any husband / boyfriend would knowingly want any man to cum into his partner. :thumbsdown:

Offline Steely Dan

Amazing that any husband / boyfriend would knowingly want any man to cum into his partner. :thumbsdown:
Swingers do it for free.  It starts with wife swapping. Then maybe it is watching her have fun for free. If you are thinking that paying is OK, then her getting money is same thing.  I can understand an individual man not liking any of these stages, but saying one cannot understand "any husband" having this view is a bit strong.

Anyway the pimp I want to avoid is the type in the movies that gets most of the cash. An Agency/Parlour/Party take a cut for fair service.  If a individual does this then fine.  But I think there *are* some arseholes who take the lion's share.  I have no certain idea how to avoid them.  So I use my judgement. So if I  think this might be the case I move on.  Plenty of fish.

Offline tazz

Amazing that any husband / boyfriend would knowingly want any man to cum into his partner. :thumbsdown:

Some men love the thought of their partner getting fucked over, called being in an open relationship. Met lots of people who think this way.

Offline punk

Some men love the thought of their partner getting fucked over, called being in an open relationship. Met lots of people who think this way.

open relationships are pointless you might as well be on your own and have fun with who ever you want.


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