What to do if WG steals money?

[EclipseBlue]

Ok, first of all, in case this becomes a live investigation, I'll not name the WG yet, sorry if that upsets anyone, perhaps best to think of as a hypothetical.

I met a WG a couple of months ago, was directed to her new address and handed over the cash, she went to "hide" it and never returned.

While alone in the premises, I became increasingly concerned I was going to be the victim of more than just the theft of the money, I saw an envelope and decided to gain as much of an upper hand as I could.

The address was where I had previously met this girl but obviously had her real name and old address.

She blocked me on WhatsApp but recently unblocked me, so I asked what had happened, she came up with an excuse that her boyfriend was near and she had to lead him away, lest she be discovered.

She sells content, so I asked if she would send some or just send the money back, needless to say she wasn't inclined to do either...

Now, her boyfriend/pimp is messaging saying she is underage and trafficked (she is verified on AW, aged 22 and I'm certain she was not coerced). With her consent, I had videod our previous meetings and there are no obvious signs she wasn't free to do what she wants.

I am tempted to go to the police and report the theft, I'm single and live alone so minimal worries there.

Curious if anyone has been in similar circumstance and what they did.

EB

[Yankee41]

I would certainly name and shame just to protect others. 

[LLPunting]

Reporting the theft of cash is pretty pointless after the fact, a game of "he said, she said".  The only thing you should be doing is naming the SP so other punters are aware and can choose to avoid the possible risk of a "repeat", presuming you're telling us the truth. 

That said, if they take exception to your outing them then they may well threaten/take further action against you, if you haven't been careful enough with your punting security, be sure to retain all evidence.

[pbrown355]

I can't see a report to the police achieving very much. He said she said as has already been said. Naming and shaming on here is more likely to have at least some negative effect on the WG and will protect other members.

[myothernameis]

Ok, first of all, in case this becomes a live investigation,

I'll not name the WG yet

sorry if that upsets anyone

Unless your personally going to go to the police, and guessing a few months has passed, I would say, name the escort on here

I have a funny feeling, there a similar thread on here, somewhere

[Billy no mates]

Protect other members and name.

At this late stage, you said it was a couple of months ago, I wouldn’t go to the police.

But I would protect other punters.

[Blackpool Rock]

I was robbed by a girl before I was ever a member on here, it actually led to me signing up to report my experience and that's when I found out she had done it before and was apparently quite well known for it 

Personally I just accepted that i'd lost the cash, I mean how much cash was it and how much of your time do you want to lose chasing it 
As others have said the police are unlikely to do anything and the only real way you can hurt her scamming is to name and shame her on here.

Does she already have any info on here about her 

[southcoastpunter]

now i am no legal expert, but if you freely GAVE her money for a service that then wasn't delivered, is that "theft"? Is that probably not more likely to be regarded as a commercial law matter and hence the police won't really be interested. Fraud or even "obtaining money by false pretenses" is, i think, much harder to prove and therefore less likely to be considered. And even if the police did investigate, do you really want to risk a police investigation becoming lets say "less than private" with a possible impact on family and friends etc.

FWIW, my view is....take the hit, put it down to experience, learn from it and name her so to reduce the possibility that other guys get ripped off as you did.

[Doc Holliday]

Evidence is key. In cases of theft of cash generally this is problematic. I speak from experience as an employer albeit some years ago.

You say you exchanged messages. Did she at any point admit she had taken your cash and left the premises. Your account suggests such? Do you have the messages?

All that said, just put it down to experience and assuming you are happy with your personal security name and shame.

[FiveKnuckles]

post a review.  you met and she ran with your cash.  enuff info for punters to decide if they will risk a meet with her.

[Punterperson1971]

Name her and keep any evidence of threats blackmail etc,wouldn’t be surprised if she’s known on here or maybe that’s what he’s found out after the theft.

[EclipseBlue]

Evidence is key. In cases of theft of cash generally this is problematic. I speak from experience as an employer albeit some years ago.

You say you exchanged messages. Did she at any point admit she had taken your cash and left the premises. Your account suggests such? Do you have the messages?

All that said, just put it down to experience and assuming you are happy with your personal security name and shame.

Yes Doc,

She has admitted what she did and I have the entire thread.

That said, as you and others have mentioned, is it really worth the hassle.

I'll post a review shortly.

[Drayki]

Name and shame her, without a shadow of doubt 

[Stevelondon]

There is the mention that this SP’s pimp/boyfriend is saying she is underage/trafficked.

I agree with most other members on here but maybe also report those messages to the police.

[Slow grinder]

About 12 yrs ago, at the start of the ROM invasion, I visited my first (Rom) at the then Formula one hotel in Coventry.... no problem with the money or the sex,but I thought it was weird/unusual for a SP to keep holding my face and chatting shit,while shafting her in Missionary... but I do like to see my knob entering an SP so I sat up,still inside her (those were the days), to look down and out the corner of my eye I thought I saw something moving on the floor, and yep it was my jeans...they were being pulled along the floor by another girl who has 'slid' in like an effing snake through the room door.I Pulled out and chased the bitch out of the room and no I never did get to finish the shag,I got dressed and left. In those days the Coventry Street scene wasn't too bad, so I drove to and old regular to get 'finished off'..no Blue Balls for me.

[Slow grinder]

After recounting my little experience... my answer to the question is this,and also based on 32yrs Punting experience. You do nothing, at best you walk away to punt another day at worst,and remember Sergie dosn't care ... he can inflict all sorts of violence on a person AND get away with it,because they( the men) are almost invisible...if they can 'traffic'/pimp the girls as if they were 'livestock' then Punters,who are '10 a penny', count for nothing and are easily 'sorted'.
Punting is a 'you pays your money and you take your chance' hobby...and punting with Rom's is 'taking your chance', rarely do we get Full Value, so in effect, we get robbed.

[signy]

Punting is a 'you pays your money and you take your chance' hobby...

There is a lot of truth in this. We try and tilt the odds in our favour by careful research, but there is always a good chance that we will not get what we deem to be our money's worth. Being robbed is very much towards the worst case end of the spectrum, but we all eventually have punts where we end up feeling ripped off to some degree. Similiar to gambling, the rule is to not spend more than you can afford to lose.

As to the OP, if it was me I would probably do nothing and put it down to experience. I would doubt the return/satisfaction would be worth the chances of getting further embroiled in the whole business. That is just me, and other opinions and actions are equally valid.

[EclipseBlue]

Thanks everyone.

I've posted a review and decided to just leave it now.

[Blackpool Rock]

Thanks everyone.

I've posted a review and decided to just leave it now.

Just read your review and also searched her AW number to find this thread implying she is a smack head
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=323975.msg3375815#msg3375815

In your review you state that you have previously seen her twice and it was cut short both times then agreed £70/hr for this punt.
Didn't £70/hr just sound TGTBT 
I'm in no way condoning her actions but surely the warning signs were already there from your previous experience even if you weren't aware of the other thread.
I'm not having a go here as like I previously posted i've been robbed and it's a well shitty feeling but i'd not be tempted to return, as they say fool me once shame on you,fool me twice shame on me, you've been shorted / robbed 3 times by her 

I agree you may as well leave it as no hope of getting your money back as it's likely long since spent on drugs, even if the police do catch up with her or her pimp they are likely already well known to them and another fine they won't pay or being banged up for a few hours won't matter a fuck to them 
You live to fight another day and thanks for sharing your review as hopefully it helps others avoid being ripped off, the messages about her being underage are clearly just an attempt to rob you of more cash 

[lamboman]

No excuse for it but that SP has hidden feedback and some questionable items in her gallery.
Much as you can never be safe I don't think you've given yourself the best of odds.

[Blackpool Rock]

No excuse for it but that SP has hidden feedback and some questionable items in her gallery.
Much as you can never be safe I don't think you've given yourself the best off odds.

I never looked at the feedback, hidden feedback = Avoid

[belfastpunter]

My first experience of being ripped off was in Soho in the 1980s.
I had tried a number of so called strip clubs. £10 entry. But it was all about paying for hostess and overpriced Champaign. But there was never a strip show. I lost lots of £10 notes that way.
Several pimps would approach me but the situation was just too dangerous to even consider.
Then one girl came up to me, started a whole patter about paying her for sex and how many condoms I would need, pointing out minders, pimps and whores along the way, hooked me and tagged me along. Followed three streets to “her place”. Then asked for money. She needed to run ahead and pay her pimp for the room. I was only 20, a virgin, not that experienced. I handed over £40 cash, she wanted another £100. Walked me to cash machine. I knew I was taken for a ride. I just let her walk off into the Soho night crowd. Lesson learned.

Since then I have had about 30-40 punts. In all but three of them I have been ripped off to some degree or other. The biggest of all scams is the cum once rule. I used to have a little bit of clear pre cum leak out, size of a tear drop, as the condom was being put on. The girl would turn really nasty and you had to leave. At that time vice in Belfast was run by INLA, UDA and others, so you never argued.

[the_patient_wolf]

I don't think the police will be interested in your loss. Despite her admission on Whatsapp, the Police at best would see it as a civil matter. On the other hand, I think they will be very interested in the trafficked and underaged accusations and I would expect them to begin an investigation if that was put in front of them.

I would move on. Quickly. There is no good outcome for you in this case.

[EclipseBlue]

Just read your review and also searched her AW number to find this thread implying she is a smack head
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=323975.msg3375815#msg3375815

In your review you state that you have previously seen her twice and it was cut short both times then agreed £70/hr for this punt.
Didn't £70/hr just sound TGTBT 
I'm in no way condoning her actions but surely the warning signs were already there from your previous experience even if you weren't aware of the other thread.
I'm not having a go here as like I previously posted i've been robbed and it's a well shitty feeling but i'd not be tempted to return, as they say fool me once shame on you,fool me twice shame on me, you've been shorted / robbed 3 times by her 

I agree you may as well leave it as no hope of getting your money back as it's likely long since spent on drugs, even if the police do catch up with her or her pimp they are likely already well known to them and another fine they won't pay or being banged up for a few hours won't matter a fuck to them 
You live to fight another day and thanks for sharing your review as hopefully it helps others avoid being ripped off, the messages about her being underage are clearly just an attempt to rob you of more cash 

I didn't see that thread as it was after the event as it were, and I never searched for her on here after.

To be honest, I kinda expected she might short me again but I figured if I got half an hour and filmed it I would be reasonably happy for the price.  She was nice enough the first couple of times and I was in the area and knew I probably wouldn't be again for some time, I was thinking with the wrong head.

Like most have said, lesson learned and move on.

[daviemac]

I didn't see that thread as it was after the event as it were, and I never searched for her on here after.

Did the 4 negatives and 1 neutral in her hidden AW feedback not put you off?

[Moby Dick]

Learn from it
Name her.

[GingerNuts]

Learn from it
Name her.

Thanks everyone.

I've posted a review and decided to just leave it now.

Littlemissnikita - Coventry

[EclipseBlue]

Did the 4 negatives and 1 neutral in her hidden AW feedback not put you off?

Also 9 positive, but I take your point.

I tend to disregard AW feedback in its entirety, but moving forwards will perhaps pay a bit more attention to the negs.

[Blackpool Rock]

Also 9 positive, but I take your point.

I tend to disregard AW feedback in its entirety, but moving forwards will perhaps pay a bit more attention to the negs.

UKP feedback is most reliable especially if there are multiple reviews / threads and / or it's from credible members rather than a 1 review Charlie who has only just joined or only posts glowing comments about 1 girl.
AW positives are largely BS but if a girl has multiple bad AW feedback then it does tend to indicate something is wrong, I mean exactly how bad has a girl got to be to get multiple Negatives on AW  And as already posted IMO Hidden feedback = Avoid

You've done your bit for the punting community though by reviewing, take solace in the fact that it will almost certainly save another punter from falling into the same trap 

[daviemac]

Learn from it
Name her.

He has, at 08.32 this morning.   

[Watts.E.Dunn]

He has, at 08.32 this morning.   

Sorry Davie can't see a post at that that time today?...

[lamboman]

Sorry Davie can't see a post at that that time today?...

That's when he posted the review.

[daviemac]

Sorry Davie can't see a post at that that time today?...

I'll post a review shortly.

External Link/Members Only or External Link/Members Only

Had met this one a couple of times before, both previous meets cut short.

Thanks everyone.

I've posted a review and decided to just leave it now.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=327201.0

[Perrier]

As someone said further up - it's not theft - it's a civil matter and the police will not be interested.

Pretty much the same as paying a gardener to mow your lawn & they don't etc.

If she'd taken your wallet without your consent - that would be theft. Paying in advance for a service not delivered isn't.

[Moby Dick]

He has, at 08.32 this morning.   

Didn’t say he hadn’t.
I wasn’t asking him to post a review.
Just answering his question, ie the title of the thread “What to do if WG steals money?”

My answer remains the same.
Learn from it, warn others.

[daviemac]

Didn’t say he hadn’t.
I wasn’t asking him to post a review.
Just answering his question, ie the title of the thread “What to do if WG steals money?”

My answer remains the same.
Learn from it, warn others.

You told him to name her, I pointed out he already had, not only that he had made it clear on this thread that he intended to name her and then that he actually had. I made no comment on the 'learn from it' part of your post.

On threads like this members get a certain amount of grief about naming the escort concerned and they should be named, but why should instructions to name them continue after they have actually named them, how many times do you want him to name her?   

I would have thought that after 14 reviews you would know that a link to who the review is about is mandatory in order for the review to stand.

[Moby Dick]

You told him to name her, I pointed out he already had, not only that he had made it clear on this thread that he intended to name her and then that he actually had. I made no comment on the 'learn from it' part of your post.

On threads like this members get a certain amount of grief about naming the escort concerned and they should be named, but why should instructions to name them continue after they have actually named them, how many times do you want him to name her?   

I would have thought that after 14 reviews you would know that a link to who the review is about is mandatory in order for the review to stand.

I read the thread as “What to do” as “What I would I do”
My post wasn’t meant as an instruction. Not intending to add to any grief, but I see your point.

[daviemac]

I read the thread as “What to do” as “What I would I do”
My post wasn’t meant as an instruction. Not intending to add to any grief, but I see your point.

I honestly don't know why it has to be an issue, you said name her I said he has, that should have been the end of it but here we are now 7 posts further on still talking about it.   

[MrBeano]

name them on here so everyone else is aware of them

[tesla]

name them on here so everyone else is aware of them

just go and look at the OP's last review

[scutty brown]

As someone said further up - it's not theft - it's a civil matter and the police will not be interested.

Pretty much the same as paying a gardener to mow your lawn & they don't etc.

If she'd taken your wallet without your consent - that would be theft. Paying in advance for a service not delivered isn't.

Police will be VERY interested if its reported as an alleged (by the pimp) underage drug dependent girl being offered for sex.
Report the addresses, the phone numbers including the pimps, and the details of the texts. Report the drugs suspicions posted earlier on here, and if you have any supporting evidence for that, also report it.
You may not be able to put her out of business, but maybe you can him.

[sensualencounter]

So many barrack room lawyers on here telling the OP to move on and not go to the police as they will do nothing about it. But a conviction in this individual case isn’t really the point. But providing the police with information about a thief (yes it is theft) and possible / probably trafficking is the point. They will take it seriously, lack of evidence or not. And you never know but it could be the start of a big clean up investigation or add more weight to something ongoing already. The OP does have evidence and he even has some post of hers.

The bigger picture should be seen, it’s not always about your own personal situation. And with all due respect to UKP only a tiny proportion of punters are members. So reports here, whist beneficial to us members, won’t ruin her. As evidenced by her number of reviews and still being around. And indeed the OP still booking her despite being a member here 

[lamboman]

So many barrack room lawyers on here telling the OP to move on and not go to the police as they will do nothing about it. But a conviction in this individual case isn’t really the point. But providing the police with information about a thief (yes it is theft) and possible / probably trafficking is the point. They will take it seriously, lack of evidence or not. And you never know but it could be the start of a big clean up investigation or add more weight to something ongoing already. The OP does have evidence and he even has some post of hers.

The bigger picture should be seen, it’s not always about your own personal situation. And with all due respect to UKP only a tiny proportion of punters are members. So reports here, whist beneficial to us members, won’t ruin her. As evidenced by her number of reviews and still being around. And indeed the OP still booking her despite being a member here 

I think most believe the police aren't actually interested in the tiresome job of invetigating crime and wouldn't be bothered to do so in this case hence the apathy.

[daviemac]

I think most believe the police aren't actually interested in the tiresome job of invetigating crime and wouldn't be bothered to do so in this case hence the apathy.

Northumbria police have a number of DLOs, dedicated liaison officers, who deal with all things sex work related and in my area they would be the first port of call. They may not be able to do anything in a case such as this but, as stated above, it all goes on record and helps build a bigger picture.

If the DLOs suspected anything such as trafficking it would be passed higher up the system for a further investigation, which in turn could lead to the raids we saw a few years ago on Romanian run flats and Chinese massage parlours. 

If things aren't reported things never change.

[lamboman]

Northumbria police have a number of DLOs, dedicated liaison officers, who deal with all things sex work related and in my area they would be the first port of call. They may not be able to do anything in a case such as this but, as stated above, it all goes on record and helps build a bigger picture.

If the DLOs suspected anything such as trafficking it would be passed higher up the system for a further investigation, which in turn could lead to the raids we saw a few years ago on Romanian run flats and Chinese massage parlours. 

If things aren't reported things never change.

Thats as maybe but of no relevance in the OPs case.

[daviemac]

Thats as maybe but of no relevance in the OPs case.

More relevance in the OP's case that you assuming they wouldn't be interested. It's because of attitudes like your's that these scum can get away with it.

It is quite possible the police would not be interested but in order to find that out they need to know about it. Far better for the police to say they can't do anything, then it's official, than take notice of you making assumptions and posting your guesswork as fact.

Edit

For those who might be missing the point of my previous post, if Northumbria police have officers dedicated to anything concerning paid for sex it is possible other area forces have as well and it might pay to enquire into that as a means of reporting things such as this.