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[Marmalade]

I was a little surprised to hear William and the Queen slagging off the space expeditions. Their hoo-ra for work on climate change is fine. Charles has been belting on about that before it became fashionable: but isn’t what is in effect saying how Bezos, Musk, Virgin etc should be doing something else with their money a wee bit out of line and not altogether logical in a scientific sense?

Flag waving fine, but Grandma having a little well-meaning shit-stir is a bit out of character. Is William getting carried away? Or is it a sensible thing and will billionaires take note, start playing with damn-building toys instead of big phallic-shaped things that go whooooosh!?

[PunterNumber69]

He does have a point though. We all know manned spaced flight is possible and it's been done before. The stuff they're doing is cool from a technology perspective and is bringing down the cost of travelling to space. However, our planet is suffering from damage to the environment (pollution, running out of natural resources, piles of plastic waste im the sea and rivers, etc.).  It would be good if a billionaire could get behind some of these environmental issues and make a difference so we don't totally ruin our home planet and require us to leave it at some point to find another planet to screw up. I know Amazon are making some efforts with planting trees, etc. but we need some technological innovation to tackle the other problems.  How much pollution do these rocket launches cause?  How much space pollution has Elon Musk caused with his huge consellation of micro-satellites to beam broadband from space?  We can't keep lobbing more and more crap into space and letting it sit there forever.

I think it's good that they leaked that the Queen complained about political leaders saying one thing and doing another. That's one benefit old age brings. You can speak your mind and you don't really care what others think of what you say. I like straight talkers. They're so much easier to understand.

[RedKettle]

I was a little surprised to hear William and the Queen slagging off the space expeditions. Their hoo-ra for work on climate change is fine. Charles has been belting on about that before it became fashionable: but isn’t what is in effect saying how Bezos, Musk, Virgin etc should be doing something else with their money a wee bit out of line and not altogether logical in a scientific sense?

Flag waving fine, but Grandma having a little well-meaning shit-stir is a bit out of character. Is William getting carried away? Or is it a sensible thing and will billionaires take note, start playing with damn-building toys instead of big phallic-shaped things that go whooooosh!?

I think what he actually said has been over played. They were fairly mild conversational comments.

[Squire Haggard]

Although I'm no fan of William, whose main skill is talking down to people from an unearned superior position, I do agree with what he says about this. The two richest men on the planet are playing with expensive toys when they could be doing something more useful with their vast wealth. Bill Gates is an investor in a company that's hoping to extract carbon from the atmosphere, which is more useful IMO.

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[lamboman]

It's their money they can do with it as they see fit,people trying to moralise their actions are just jealous.

[Squire Haggard]

It's their money they can do with it as they see fit,people trying to moralise their actions are just jealous.

Maybe some are, but I'm not one.

[radioman33]

He shouldn’t say anything,it’s great to see what’s happening it’s his money to spend how he likes.

[Harry Monk]

I may have either misheard or misunderstood Shatner but I believe he said something like....the solution to the worlds pollution problem is to fire it all into Space

So we've shagged our planet beyond repair, lets spread the pain around a bit and totally missing what is needed. Truth is we're screwed and there isn't the business/political will to do anything effective, just hope my children don't have children.

[Watts.E.Dunn]

I reckon thet ammout of CO2 relased by these space shots on the scale of things .. is negliable..

However isnt Bill Gates funding Nuclear reactor devlopment?, thats what we need to get a chivvey on with!..

[lillythesavage]

I reckon thet ammout of CO2 relased by these space shots on the scale of things .. is negliable..

However isnt Bill Gates funding Nuclear reactor devlopment?, thats what we need to get a chivvey on with!..

In London Co2 is friendly again , bloody hypocrites talked everyone into diesel, then decide Co2 is fine, but there is another agenda, those high Co2 producers have a high road tax charge, anything up to 500 quid annually, and the diesels did not cover the admin costs with lots on 20 or 30 quid annually, they fucked up with that and are trying to fuck up the little engine low road tax petrol cars by playing with the fuel.

Expect it to be rolled out in more cities and even big towns, they need the money

[Colston36]

I was a little surprised to hear William and the Queen slagging off the space expeditions. Their hoo-ra for work on climate change is fine. Charles has been belting on about that before it became fashionable: but isn’t what is in effect saying how Bezos, Musk, Virgin etc should be doing something else with their money a wee bit out of line and not altogether logical in a scientific sense?

Flag waving fine, but Grandma having a little well-meaning shit-stir is a bit out of character. Is William getting carried away? Or is it a sensible thing and will billionaires take note, start playing with damn-building toys instead of big phallic-shaped things that go whooooosh!?

I just watched their champagne-spraying antics. What twats.

[Watts.E.Dunn]

I don't think anyone could begrudge Shatner his trip, a great reward for one of the best space exploration series there ever was!

Pity Spock and bones and the rest of the crew wern't there with him!

I reckons that Silly Wills has put his foot in it with this one!...

[Marmalade]

I think what he actually said has been over played. They were fairly mild conversational comments.

Everything leading members of the royal family say will be overplayed.

It was certainly played enough for Shatner over in the U.S.A. not only to reply to it but to get adequate coverage of his remarks about their remarks.

How fortunate the Jupiter explorer was being a day or whatever later — narrowly escaping a beeb back-to-back with their majestys…

[PepeMAGA]

Think the Virgin galactic project is pretty pointless as it stands, not even space technically.
Musk is doing important work and living on other planets is something that may be needed /inevitable.
Bezos project... Not sure. His bid for the moonlander suggests he has bigger ambitions than just the blue horizons project.

[Stevelondon]

I think its the romantic notion people have when it comes down to space exploration. Unless we find a way of travelling a hell of a lot faster in spaceships (If we could ever build them)...the idea of populating anywhere else is a no go. Google how long it takes to get to Mars for instance.

I've always thought that perhaps there is more to explore right here on earth. Its just covered in water.
If we will need extra space I am on about.

But we will have fucked everything up before we get round to saving ourselves....so not matter. 

[Marmalade]

I’m not sure why I feel instinctively supportive of the space project. I genuinely think exploring new frontiers is worthwhile. I feel supportive of climate change projects were there is at least a decent hypothesis that could lead to “success”.

Musk, Bezos et al are driven by something and it’s success or failure involves their own money. That must be a powerful motivator to ascertain whether you may have got your calculations right!

I don’t see that with their green projects. There’s not a single one that anyone can with hard scientific logic say will save the planet. The solar shield theoretically could indeed do that and ironically it would depend on evolving space technology. Currently it could reduce the solar rays sufficiently but several unknowns need to be solved otherwise certain weather changes could also be disastrous.

But it’s there if top brains worked on it. Two years ago no one had a covid-19 vaccine and the science wasn’t at a stage of developing vaccines fast enough. A global effort developed not just one but several.

All the money — nearly all — behind big climate change projects is government money. None of it is pitched on any logical possibility of success, only ameliorating. Nearly all have massively lucrative prospects for business, whether or not they ‘save’ the planet.

I heard that for the climate summit in Glasgow all delegates must be driven in electric cars. As it turns out, there aren’t enough power points. So they are being forced to bring in diesel generators to supply electricity for the cars. It could even be a fitting symbol for climate change idiocy.

[lillythesavage]

Diesel generators are nowhere near as " clean or Green " as diesel cars, they do not have the exhaust filters and run at low revs and heat, which is the least efficient way of burning diesel.
Being static they also pollute the immediate area just like static traffic, but the car shuts itself down or can be turned off.

I wonder how many more cars are needed to make sure they are available when required and not charging?

[Watts.E.Dunn]

Diesel generators are nowhere near as " clean or Green " as diesel cars, they do not have the exhaust filters and run at low revs and heat, which is the least efficient way of burning diesel.
Being static they also pollute the immediate area just like static traffic, but the car shuts itself down or can be turned off.

I wonder how many more cars are needed to make sure they are available when required and not charging?

That apply to Diesel rail locos you reckon?..

[lillythesavage]

That apply to Diesel rail locos you reckon?..

Possibly, though they can be retro fitted with filters, generators are too compact and would never run fast or hot enough to re generate as a car does.

Just goes to show the rush to electric is not sustainable, they cannot charge a few limos, how are they going to feed 30 million of the things?