Author Topic: Do we really need bees?  (Read 1754 times)

Offline petermisc

Yet another programme on the radio about bees dying off due to pesticides.  But I recall something that hover flies do far more pollination than bees do.  Okay, they don't produce honey, but I could live without that.

Of course, if we kill off all the hover flies too, then we really are fucked.

Offline Blackpool Rock

Just did a search for love honey but got different results from what I was looking for  :cool:

Anyway according to this and many other articles while some wasps; birds; bats and the wind can pollinate it's actually bees that do around 80% of pollination and on some of the major crops

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Offline Colston36

Yet another programme on the radio about bees dying off due to pesticides.  But I recall something that hover flies do far more pollination than bees do.  Okay, they don't produce honey, but I could live without that.

Of course, if we kill off all the hover flies too, then we really are fucked.

We are fucked anyhow. Or our grandchildren are. In my lifetime I've seen so much wildlife vanish it's depressing. Even in the last few months there's been a shocking increase in the number of floods and other "natural disasters". More to come.

Offline Ghost89

No matter how pointless some animals might seem everything has it’s place.

Offline Corus Boy

No matter how pointless some animals might seem everything has it’s place.

Correct, there are some pretty insignificant creatures know to us.

However they are at the bottom of the food chain and there loss is soon felt up the line.

Offline Aldebaran

Way back, I think in the 1960s, the rulers in China got it into their heads that sparrows were eating too much grain every year, so they organised, or ordered, a sparrow killing day. Virtually the entire population of China spent a whole day doing nothing except hunting and killing sparrows by any means available. They killed millions and burnt the bodies on huge bonfires. They thought that this would ensure that next year they would have a bumper grain crop.
In fact, the exact reverse happened, the next year they had the most disastrous grain crop ever. Sparrows don't just eat grain, they are omnivorous, and they eat huge numbers of insects that feed on crops. The lack of sparrows caused a huge increase in these pests, and a consequent crop failure in China.
Nothing exists in isolation. Nature is like a house of cards, remove one and something else comes tumbling down. Not just us, but many other animals depend on the pollinating insects, if they go then a lot more goes with them.

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Way back, I think in the 1960s, the rulers in China got it into their heads that sparrows were eating too much grain every year, so they organised, or ordered, a sparrow killing day. Virtually the entire population of China spent a whole day doing nothing except hunting and killing sparrows by any means available. They killed millions and burnt the bodies on huge bonfires. They thought that this would ensure that next year they would have a bumper grain crop.
In fact, the exact reverse happened, the next year they had the most disastrous grain crop ever. Sparrows don't just eat grain, they are omnivorous, and they eat huge numbers of insects that feed on crops. The lack of sparrows caused a huge increase in these pests, and a consequent crop failure in China.
Nothing exists in isolation. Nature is like a house of cards, remove one and something else comes tumbling down. Not just us, but many other animals depend on the pollinating insects, if they go then a lot more goes with them.

There are many thoughtful people on here - and watching David Attenborough will give you a lot more to think about. Since his last film the crook and lunatic running Brazil has destroyed the benefits of the Amazon rain forest.

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I could certainly live without wasps. Nasty little bastards ! :thumbsdown:

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Offline Aldebaran

I could certainly live without wasps. Nasty little bastards ! :thumbsdown:

Again, depends on how you look at them. In the early part of the year, wasps kill a lot of other caterpillars and insects to feed the wasp larvae. It's only towards the end of Summer, with the breeding season over, that wasps tend to become a nuisance because they are hungry for sweet stuff, so they invade tea tables and picnics. Without wasps you would have to put up with a lot of other pests.

Offline winkywanky

I could certainly live without wasps. Nasty little bastards ! :thumbsdown:


Without even doing a Google search I'm pretty sure these carnivorous little bastards in their comedy striped 'criminal vests' are actually yet another important part of nature's balance.

And I say that as someone who seems to be a wasp-magnet (if only I were a fanny magnet  :rolleyes:) and every time I get stung I come up like a frickin' balloon  :dash:.

Much as I hate the little darlings, they are part of God's wonderment on earth.

Offline winkywanky

Bees are important. We need them.

I like honey. I marvel at their epic industriousness and work ethic. They pollinate. They're actually kinda cute and if they sting you it's normally by accident. And in doing so they disembowel themselves leading to a slow death. Better than fuckin' wasps, anyway!  :D

Offline Bonker

Another thread founded on ignorance. Sigh.
Yes, I know i  don't have to read it if I don't like it. Just expressing my opinion.
Henceforth I shall ignore.

Offline Squire Haggard

Plenty of bees and wasps where I am. Cherry trees in blossom can have dozens of them busy from dawn till dusk. If the right flowers are there they will appear, at least they do where I am.  :)

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There are many thoughtful people on here - and watching David Attenborough will give you a lot more to think about. Since his last film the crook and lunatic running Brazil has destroyed the benefits of the Axxxxxx rain forest.
The guy in Brazil is a shill. There is a calculated plan to make countries like Brazil 6th in GDP. Easier to control if they are all the same.

Offline Blackpool Rock

Another thread founded on ignorance. Sigh.
Yes, I know i  don't have to read it if I don't like it. Just expressing my opinion.
Henceforth I shall ignore.
I actually think the question was really meant to ask whether other insects that also pollinate plants could actually do the job on their own without bees.
However from what I looked at on the Net bees pollinate around 80% of plants so yes we do need them

Offline jimmymac

I work with someone who said we didn't need bees.
I said "who will pollinate all the trillions of plants needed for food we will eat or use?"
Her reply-"We can get men to go to each plant and pollinate them."
I was speechless.

Offline Gordon Bennett

I dunno if I'm correct but I assume that if mankind was wiped out tomorrow, the Earth's ecosystem wouldn't be affected and indeed the fauna/flora left behind (including bees) would probably flourish?
Given how much damage we do to the environment we need every creature out there doing their bit to offset our impact irrespective of how piddly and minimal their contribution seems.

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Why is Manuka honey so expensive?

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I dunno if I'm correct but I assume that if mankind was wiped out tomorrow, the Earth's ecosystem wouldn't be affected and indeed the fauna/flora left behind (including bees) would probably flourish?
Given how much damage we do to the environment we need every creature out there doing their bit to offset our impact irrespective of how piddly and minimal their contribution seems.


True, because the vast majority of the rest were here before humans, certainly before we had any real influence on the planet.

The truth is, they would all be better off without us  :(.

All and any animal extinction over the last thousand years has been down to us.

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I dunno if I'm correct but I assume that if mankind was wiped out tomorrow, the Earth's ecosystem wouldn't be affected and indeed the fauna/flora left behind (including bees) would probably flourish?
Given how much damage we do to the environment we need every creature out there doing their bit to offset our impact irrespective of how piddly and minimal their contribution seems.

I believe that would be true. You only have to look at the Japanese nuclear facility that ruptured a few years ago that made the area uninhabitable. It’s flourishing with plants on all the roads and surrounding area. As the saying goes “nature takes it back”.

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Clever marketing and rarity.

It tastes good. But apparently a lot of it is fake or mixed with syrup.

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It tastes good. But apparently a lot of it is fake or mixed with syrup.


Yes, there are different grades, dependent on purity.

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The pure stuff is incredibly expensive.

Offline Blackpool Rock

It tastes good. But apparently a lot of it is fake or mixed with syrup.
The price is primarily down to it's rarity only coming from honey produced from bees getting nectar from certain trees which only grow in NZ and I believe perhaps OZ, they also grow at altitude in a short flowering window dependent on weather conditions and often needs a helicopter to harvest it.

So basically a combination of factors all combining to hike the price up which then leads as you say to knock off products being out there, I believe it's been assessed that there is more Manuka honey on sale than is actually produced each year, I heard the same a few years ago about Greek or Italian Extra virgin olive oil

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Bloke i know is a bee keeper and what he don't know, mind you he is 92 so been around some time!, isnt really worth knowing.

He reckons that Bee's are essential and we'd be in a very sorry state if they wernt around! Tho some people need edcuating dozy bint across the way from me had  bee's swarm on her new car she got hystricaly and had no less then two firms of pest contollers to come out and destroy them. Told her to cancel them and I'd get it done free of charge local bee guy was around in 15 mins and dressed in his garb provided a facisnating sight for her two children to see what happened.

Bee's are now quite happy in a local communituy allotment garden place:)

Seems to that Mrs silly buggers has learnt somethinmg and so have her children!

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Bloke i know is a bee keeper and what he don't know, mind you he is 92 so been around some time!, isnt really worth knowing.

He reckons that Bee's are essential and we'd be in a very sorry state if they wernt around! Tho some people need edcuating dozy bint across the way from me had  bee's swarm on her new car she got hystricaly and had no less then two firms of pest contollers to come out and destroy them. Told her to cancel them and I'd get it done free of charge local bee guy was around in 15 mins and dressed in his garb provided a facisnating sight for her two children to see what happened.

Bee's are now quite happy in a local communituy allotment garden place:)

Seems to that Mrs silly buggers has learnt somethinmg and so have her children!


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Bloke i know is a bee keeper and what he don't know, mind you he is 92 so been around some time!, isnt really worth knowing.

He reckons that Bee's are essential and we'd be in a very sorry state if they wernt around! Tho some people need edcuating dozy bint across the way from me had  bee's swarm on her new car she got hystricaly and had no less then two firms of pest contollers to come out and destroy them. Told her to cancel them and I'd get it done free of charge local bee guy was around in 15 mins and dressed in his garb provided a facisnating sight for her two children to see what happened.

Bee's are now quite happy in a local communituy allotment garden place:)

Seems to that Mrs silly buggers has learnt somethinmg and so have her children!

Excellent. Now let's ask where all the colourful butterflies have gone. And wonder how long before the polar bears are gone for good. 

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Excellent. Now let's ask where all the colourful butterflies have gone. And wonder how long before the polar bears are gone for good.


This is true, when the polar bears have eaten all the butterflies then they too will die, of starvation  :(

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If you like small women, bees are essential: no bees means no bee-sting tits

Offline Bonker

What kind of bees make milk?
Boo bees

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So basically a combination of factors all combining to hike the price up which then leads as you say to knock off products being out there, I believe it's been assessed that there is more Manuka honey on sale than is actually produced each year, I heard the same a few years ago about Greek or Italian Extra virgin olive oil



Just like all the fake Greek and Italian virgins coming from Romania

Offline winkywanky

What kind of bees make milk?
Boo bees

 :D

It does seem a little harsh to have to scare them into giving us their golden milk though, poor little darlings.

Offline Aldebaran

Honey, of any kind, is basically just insect vomit.

Offline winkywanky

Honey, of any kind, is basically just insect vomit.

I actually thought it was insect mucus/saliva? Either way I love it thick on some toast with butter.

But then I also like eating Tranny arse  :P

Offline Aldebaran

I actually thought it was insect mucus/saliva? Either way I love it thick on some toast with butter.

But then I also like eating Tranny arse  :P

No, it's vomit. Basically plant nectar swallowed by the bee then sicked back up into the honeycomb. It's purpose is as a food store, especially in bad weather when nectar from flowers might be scarce. It's also to feed the larvae.

Offline winkywanky

No, it's vomit. Basically plant nectar swallowed by the bee then sicked back up into the honeycomb. It's purpose is as a food store, especially in bad weather when nectar from flowers might be scarce. It's also to feed the larvae.


Yes, I realise what it's for. And we steal just enough so as not to kill off the hive.

Frankly I don't care where it came from, it tastes lovely  :). Also worth noting that honey is sterile, and a wonderful healer when put on a wound, nasty stuff can't grow in it  :cool:.

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Yes, I realise what it's for. And we steal just enough so as not to kill off the hive.

Frankly I don't care where it came from, it tastes lovely  :). Also worth noting that honey is sterile, and a wonderful healer when put on a wound, nasty stuff can't grow in it  :cool:.

And great with lemon in a hot drink for cold and flu.

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And great with lemon in a hot drink for cold and flu.


Indeed.

And if you're Jewish, chicken soup your mum made  :D

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Honey makes a girls ringpiece taste so much sweeter
and is a great non-oily lube

Offline ShadowProclamation

I remember a Black Mirror episode, starring Kelly Macdonald, that had robotic bees. They were used for pollination, after the near-extinction of bees. Unless such technology became a reality, mankind wouldn't last long without them.

Offline petermisc

Honey, of any kind, is basically just insect vomit.
Whilst strictly true, it is not like human vomit.  Bees have a second stomach especially for storing the nectar.  Which is why honey isn't full of stomach acid, or have bits of carrot in it.

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Whilst strictly true, it is not like human vomit.  Bees have a second stomach especially for storing the nectar.  Which is why honey isn't full of stomach acid, or have bits of carrot in it.


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Honey makes a girls ringpiece taste so much sweeter
and is a great non-oily lube

Doesn't it get sticky/tacky when used for the latter?