Author Topic: Level crossings (trains)  (Read 2680 times)

Offline Marmalade

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My experience of E-Scooters so far in my area: kids using them after dark on the road, wearing dark clothing and with no lights on, either to see with or be seen. If you hit a pothole (our roads are shit) then the tiny wheels mean you will be sprawled across the road instantly. Do they have brakes? I don't know. Even if they do, they seem to be doing about 15mph and there's no way they will stop effectively in the event of an emergency.

Also, kids zig-zagging through crowded shopping streets on the pavement, on the absolute assumption that everyone in front of them will behave perfectly predictably and not suddenly change direction if they decide to zip quickly into an adjacent shop. Also on the assumption that a little old lady won't be spooked when she suddenly hears a strange noise behind her, making her jump, possibly into its path.

I don't wish to be a wet blanket, I like to see kids having fun, but pretty well every time I have seen these things they are being driven inappropriately. It's not such a big deal if the driver falls off and gets a skinned knee, what concerns me more is the fact that an innocent person who happened to be in the vicinity will get hurt  :unknown:.

Why can't kids just have bloody bikes? At least they'd propel themselves and get some exercise, there's a fair chance the brakes would work properly, and they would have to use the roads, which although admittedly can be dangerous for them, pose far less risk for others.

Rant over  :D

I have no experience of them in this country except in Scotland where adults are increasingly using them — illegally but it seems responsibly.

I’ve used them extensively abroad — I can count several European and Mediterranean countries as well as South America. Never seen any accidents and never seen kids using them. Kids, or persons under 18, should not be able to use them in a public space any more than using a motor vehicle!

Yes, they have brakes. I’ve never had trouble stopping so far.

1. All need a credit card to use. Download the app or apps (often several companies in competition with different coloured e-scooters).
2. The app shows you a map with the location of the nearest scooters. Some companies let you reserve a scooter before you get to it.
3. Unlock the app using your phone. Sometimes there a choice between a single ride subscription, day or week subscription. I think there’s a time limit on rides.
4. There’s an area limit. If you go outside the authorised zone you get a heavy fine on your credit card. All e-scooters are tracked. There should be no problem banning someone whose credit card was used for a bike involved in an accident!
5. When you’ve finished with the scooter, just leave it somewhere safe. Most apps ask you to take a photo of it where you leave it to help the next person find it.

E-scooters are worth a lot of money. The agreements I’ve seen allow you to be charged the full cost of the scooter if you fuck up.

I don’t know how much the ‘British public’ is to blame for the bad reception. For a start, when they did do a limited roll-out, it was not with the best company (from my experience). There seems have been little control over who used them. Their traceability and geo-positioning should have made penalties for  improper use swift and severe. They can be used on roads as responsibly as bikes or motor scooters and take up a lot less space. For short trips I’ve even used them with a bag of shopping. They just need to be used with care, common sense and respect for people around you.

When I followed the news on the tiny, hesitant, heavily deprecated opening, it almost seemed to me that someone involved in their deployment wanted them to fail. An opportunity sadly missed I reckon.

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They just need to be used with care, common sense and respect for people around you.

When I followed the news on the tiny, hesitant, heavily deprecated opening, it almost seemed to me that someone involved in their deployment wanted them to fail. An opportunity sadly missed I reckon.


Aye, and there's the rub.

The only people I've seen on them have been kids of 14-18, and we know how responsible they can be in the UK  :rolleyes:

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Aye, and there's the rub.

The only people I've seen on them have been kids of 14-18, and we know how responsible they can be in the UK  :rolleyes:

And I wonder whose credit card was used??

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I was stationed in canada in mid 80s and we got stuck waiting for 50 minutes as train was 1.5 mile long...they used to build them up in wainwright and trains would then go all over canada and usa...taxi driver said he wouldnt charge for waiting...
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And I wonder whose credit card was used??


I assume these were bought, off eBay etc?

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Pretty sure there is no Scooter hire scheme near me.

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I assume these were bought, off eBay etc?

Were they?  Not mentioned on the news I saw but that would explain how they’ve got a bad name. Unfair perhaps. Personally I question the banning of corporal punishment for some kids.

I thought about buying one until I realised that they aren’t legal yet. Some companies let you buy a rental one. But the hires have the advantage of not having to lug it around. Perhaps the sale of e-scooters should be more carefully regulated and licensed. I really hope a sensible national campaign takes off at some point. Bloody sad to think we trail behind not only the more advanced European/Asian countries but also less developed Latin America. Especially with British traffic congestion.

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Agreed, anything that helps congestion has to be a good thing.

Offline Taggart


Regardless of your point about sections containing only one train, nevertheless the safety margins applied have definitely increased over the last few years, add to that a load of extra trains and the available 'windows' for the barriers to be open become less and less.

And the gap between those windows decreases or even disappears with those extra margins, meaning that drivers end up waiting for several trains.

The period between the arrival of a train and the barriers going down has definitely increased over the last few years, I have witnessed this personally.

I suspect you are right. One crossing near me has the platform butting on to the crossing, and it’s down for around 4 mins.

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I would put my money on the double-barrier crossings you mention also being automatically closed by sensors activated by the train, and automatically re-opening after the train.  It is very rare for a group of crossings remotely-controlled to be under full manual control.  All the signaller will be doing is checking the crossing once the barriers have automatically lowered, and clearing the signal.


You would have lost your money  ;) :D

The line in question has so many crossings (around 10) over a relatively short distance that it requires two signalman to monitor just the crossings alone. There is also a train every 10 minutes both ways. The barriers are operated manually. My post about going to the loo was only partly tongue in cheek as, if and when this happens, one guy has to look after them all so will be in no hurry to open barriers.

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Thanks Doc. I can’t be bothered arguing with the resident dufus who accused me of wokism (quite amusing).