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will we ever learn ?

once agan a council is under investigation but the problem lies with indviduals

Primarilly of course the abusers who should be nailed to the wall - not literally although some of the victims would like to see that or even wield the hammer

But for every abuser there are probably 10 people that turned a blind eye or even covered it up

We now have a system whch partially protects whistle blowers but we need to go further and EVERYONE who sees something a bit odd needs to know that if they dont act then they will be held responsible.

Start with the people (inc the Police) that ignored complaints but how many of the people who worked in those homes had suspicions ?


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will we ever learn ?

once agan a council is under investigation but the problem lies with indviduals

Primarilly of course the abusers who should be nailed to the wall - not literally although some of the victims would like to see that or even wield the hammer

But for every abuser there are probably 10 people that turned a blind eye or even covered it up

We now have a system whch partially protects whistle blowers but we need to go further and EVERYONE who sees something a bit odd needs to know that if they dont act then they will be held responsible.

Start with the people (inc the Police) that ignored complaints but how many of the people who worked in those homes had suspicions ?

 those who turn a blind eye who should be punished as well, in France they charge people who dont give assistance to those in danger, it was a law introduced during the second world war, actually a law against the resistance, but still in vigour today.

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I watched the article on the news yesterday and thought "shit not again" but it then came out the abuse was years ago and the news article says from the 60's to the 90's.
Countless scandals about things from the 60's 70's and 80's have come out over the last couple of decades and I do believe improvements have been made to protect people however will we sit 30 years from now hearing about horrible stuff that happened in 2021  :unknown:

They always say lessons must / will be learnt but are they really  :unknown:

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those who turn a blind eye who should be punished as well, in France they charge people who dont give assistance to those in danger, it was a law introduced during the second world war, actually a law against the resistance, but still in vigour today.


I like the idea of that but it would have to be enforced with care.

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This is actually historical abuse again, but like a boil, it needs lancing. And leads need to be followed up and scumbags prosecuted wherever possible.

I do think these things are less likely to happen now, it's painful to go over it all again but we need to, to make sure it doesn't.

What's always painful with these cases is when public institutions have collectively failed, be that social services, police, whatever. You'll always get bad people who do this shit, but for such public institutions to fail the victims by simply not acting as they should, is truly appalling.

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As I see it 3 problems with this is when its been Asian men or perhaps other non Whites the Police and councils/social services have been too shit scared to act in case they get accused of being racist. They put being PC before enforcing the law and doing their duty. Fortunately there are still some decent people about who whistle blow this evil.

And secondly in places like childrens homes some kids were seen as fresh meat for staff and their mates including big wigs no doubt to exploit. I have some personal knowledge from a previous job I had about this subject and exploiting kids was so widespread in the 90s that it was seen as normal to some staff who had no interest whatsoever in helping, supporting or protecting the children in the homes they worked in. I have no doubt it still goes on sadly, may be not on the same scale as years ago. Vulnerable kids with no family make ideal targets, its likely to come down to their word against their accusers with no family support network. And its not just sexual abuse, its also how inhumanly some kids were treated, no warmth shown to them, no encouraging them, no praising them. It could be a very cold lonely life. Kids of course need to be nurtured and supported, I do realise staff have to take a balanced stance.

IMO apart from police checks when a person is offered a job with kids it MUST be the case they cant start before the check is done. Like with many other jobs that require such checks its sometimes the case due to how long the checks may take due to backlogs some employers have allowed people to start before the check. This should be illegal in my view. I do have sympathy for a genuine person who needs to be earning asap but the safety of kids and other vulnerable people must be first and foremost. These checks should be speeded up and if necessary take on more people to do them, to me that's a good way to spend resources.

I briefly worked for an NHS contractor in a management role and my check wasn't done until I had been working in Hospitals including access to baby units, and everywhere else for a month. I pointed this out to my boss who couldn't of care less. I left soon afterwards though not for that reason. I know 2 people who work in separate NHS mental health units who not long ago started but the checks weren't done till they were in post for weeks. No idea how widespread this is but it shouldn't be happening. I also have a very good friend who works with vulnerable young people and her check wasn't done until she had been in post for nearly 2 months. She is now senior and this has been addressed in her company so new starters cannot start till the check has been done, this has resulted in some not being prepared to wait however long it might be, and taken a job elsewhere. Not good which is why checks need to be done quicker.




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my point was that it isnt a failure of institutions - thats just a convenient excuse - its a failure of people

for example a Kent hospital was fined £733 000 - who does that help ?  wth the costs etc they now have £1million less to spend on patent care next year but the people who ignored the baby's problems are probably still there and the hospital wll have "improved  procedures"  but someone put those faulty procedures in place

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those who turn a blind eye who should be punished as well, in France they charge people who dont give assistance to those in danger, it was a law introduced during the second world war, actually a law against the resistance, but still in vigour today.

Would you say the same about punters who turn a blind eye to trafficking?

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Would you say the same about punters who turn a blind eye to trafficking?

of course.

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Having some experience of the problem including around the time this covers but not in London. If a serious and honest investigation was to be held into children's homes nationally, then it would rightly be the UK's biggest ever scandal and the compensation would probably almost bankrupt the country.  It will never happen for so many reasons.

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This is actually historical abuse again, but like a boil, it needs lancing. And leads need to be followed up and scumbags prosecuted wherever possible.

I do think these things are less likely to happen now, it's painful to go over it all again but we need to, to make sure it doesn't.

What's always painful with these cases is when public institutions have collectively failed, be that social services, police, whatever. You'll always get bad people who do this shit, but for such public institutions to fail the victims by simply not acting as they should, is truly appalling.
Agree.
Also when a public institution is involved the people are hardly ever fired or disciplined, they just leave and go to work for another council, rinse and repeat.

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Sadly true. They seem to have Teflon underpants.

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"Lessons will be learnt" will be somewhere in the response from the council.

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It's actually nothing new, this was an investigation into a series of investigations which never seemed to manage to get anyone held to account.  I was reading earlier there was an order issued by council staff in 1999 to not comply with the then investigation as it was a "witch hunt".  So for all the passage of time there's been multiple opportunities to actually prosecute those involved.

Lambeth social services and Shirley Oaks were pretty well known to anyone who grew up in South London, in the same way that Stephen Lawrence and Daniel Morgan were.  It doesn't matter whether it's bent coppers or senior officials, they all close ranks and have each other's backs.
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Sadly true. They seem to have Teflon underpants.


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whats the odds that many of those taht suppressed the evidence  are still in hgh positions/good pensions ?

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whats the odds that many of those taht suppressed the evidence  are still in hgh positions/good pensions ?


It's a sad fact that with many of these historical cases, either offenders die off or are protected (and protect each other) until they do so.

It's people who are 'in the know', keeping silent. With the way things are now, I guess most of them have long since moved on, have no contact with each other any more, nursing their guilty secrets to the grave.

How much of this was organised by 'groups' and how much was repeated opportunist stuff, who knows?  :(